My list of immortality methods:
Cryogenic freezing, cloning, genetic fixing, write a book, paint a masterpiece, win the presidency of a country...
Anyone read the book Time Enough for Love? Could be where the future is taking us for immortality...
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My list of immortality methods:
Cryogenic freezing, cloning, genetic fixing, write a book, paint a masterpiece, win the presidency of a country...
Anyone read the book Time Enough for Love? Could be where the future is taking us for immortality...
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You can achive immortality by cloning????? What?
Was there sarcasm in your statement at all. I'm frickin tired and couldn't tell what "write a book" meant. Haha......I'm such a re tard.
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You can achive immortality by cloning????? What?
Was there sarcasm in your statement at all. I'm frickin tired and couldn't tell what "write a book" meant. Haha......I'm such a re tard.
LOL. No! No sarcasm at all! [:D] Cloning could be considered a viable method of immortality. Okay, I've got a dose of sci-fi in me. [:)] It may not be possible yet, and maybe not really you (unless brains are transplanted, or something)...
I believe that creating something allows a part of you to live forever (until it's destroyed). That includes books, paintings, etc...
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You can achive immortality by cloning????? What?
Was there sarcasm in your statement at all. I'm frickin tired and couldn't tell what "write a book" meant. Haha......I'm such a re tard.
LOL. No! No sarcasm at all! [:D] Cloning could be considered a viable method of immortality. Okay, I've got a dose of sci-fi in me. [:)] It may not be possible yet, and maybe not really you (unless brains are transplanted, or something)...
I believe that creating something allows a part of you to live forever (until it's destroyed). That includes books, paintings, etc...
Wait wait, So if I took a huge crap, froze and preserved it well, would that mean I would be immortal????
Yeah a part of you will most lilkey live forever. I mean Columbus dumbfoundedly found America and he will be with us forever. But not psyically.
On a more serious note, yes immortality is possible. We just tend to screw things up too much for it to be achieved.
Consider this....
The human body was not only designed to be self repairing, but also to be self regenerating. Our cells to this to a limited extent, but not the full extent designed. This is mainly because of our environment - our living conditions, what we do to our bodies, and what we put into our bodies. We've created so many toxins in our lives that our bodies are incapable of performing the kind of self-regeneration needed to be immortal.
Apparently there are a few humans who have worked out how to do this, but mostly these stories are relegated to myth and folklore.
But you never know....
James.
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Wait wait, So if I took a huge crap, froze and preserved it well, would that mean I would be immortal????
Yeah a part of you will most lilkey live forever. I mean Columbus dumbfoundedly found America and he will be with us forever. But not psyically.
Okay... but is crap art? [xx(] Would you want to be immortalized by others saying... "This piece of crap was created by..."
Add to the list of immortality... vampires and ghosts...
you are immortal anyway
you are not your body, obviously
Physically speaking immortality is impractical. I would say impossible but hey who knows. The cycle of life and death is the way of things here. The system is set up that way here. All things come into "life" and then pass from it into another form. If humans could become immortal then can you truly imagine the over population problems we would have? As if things are not heading that way now with the extended life spands we now have in addition to population growth. Then you have to take into account that not only do humans, plants, and animals die, but also planets. Eventually Earth will pass away to. Instead of striving to live forever I feel that humans would do better to embrace the cycles of life.
Kind of weird, as I was writing this they started talking about this on the radio.
They talked about making physical body immortal. [;)].
When the bodies are poluted with toxins, the body can heal by itself.
There are some toxins like quicksilver- they are hard and stay in the bones/liver etc.
There is a a code in human DNA that makes the body older, because
the reproducing of mothercells (no new cells).
I think it is possible to get physical immortal: you becoming a zombie or use 100 % of your brain.
that;s why i added "anyway" [:D]
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Physically speaking immortality is impractical. I would say impossible but hey who knows. The cycle of life and death is the way of things here. The system is set up that way here. All things come into "life" and then pass from it into another form. If humans could become immortal then can you truly imagine the over population problems we would have? As if things are not heading that way now with the extended life spands we now have in addition to population growth. Then you have to take into account that not only do humans, plants, and animals die, but also planets. Eventually Earth will pass away to. Instead of striving to live forever I feel that humans would do better to embrace the cycles of life.
Kind of weird, as I was writing this they started talking about this on the radio.
Oh yes, very much so. If immortality were to be achived without ease or was about an average difficulty to acheive, Then we would overpopulated. It would be a mess.
But what about the few people who are really immortal. Don't you think they know that they would be better off in the astral and not to live in this realm forever??
"The late French scientist Dr. Alexis Carrel kept a chicken heart alive for over 27 years by having the pulsating heart IN A SOLUTION OF SEA SALT, i.e. isotonic seawater. Dr. Carrel voluntarily ended the experiment after a third of a century, having proven that living cells can have physical immortality."
This is quoted from "Seasalts Hidden Secrets".
It seems like the "immortality" of the chicken cells were related to changing the water every day (washes out the toxins) and the salt contains all 92 minerals (which conduct electricity). So if we're not drinking a lot of water every day and getting all of our minerals then maybe we won't live as long as we potentially can. I've read that the farmers aren't replacing most of the minerals, so even if we're eating our fruits and veg's we're still not getting all the necessary minerals.
Food for thought.
well i have designed energy constructs to regenerate certain key energies of my rat-friend, Quincy. He's two years old and has regained balanced muscle tone, reversed nerve root degeneration and serious kidney problems (he smelled fruity for a while). His coat is beautiful and he's as playful as my younger rat of 8 Months, Mr. Maginty. I have it set up so that he just gets healthier and healthier (to generalize without details)
the good news is that it appears to be working.
the bad news is that that's all i'm going to share with you.
i am immortal.
Whatever you share, it would be *bigger* than that kind of thoughts that you wouldn't.
According to some proven Illuminatists, their idea of immortality was only to not die before completing your life purpose. Then, there would be no reason for them to go on living, and they would program themselves to die. However, out of the other side of their mouth you hear of assimilated prana becoming what you need, even substituting food, water, and breath.
A psychic circuit is maintained, and prana would be pumped through it.
again, we're talking about the physical body.[:P]
Faced with a leg which wouldn't heal, a doctor internally placed electrodes across the break in the patient's leg. It healed.
Chi is made of material particles of prana, but they are finer than radiation. These can flow as through circuits in the body.
There have been found allopathic ways to treat every cause of cellular age. Homeopathic treatments, when they work, make the cells more treatable.
And don't forget "Dr. Strangelove":
General Ripper: Do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream? Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream!...You know when fluoridation began?...1946. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works. I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love...Yes, a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women...women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake...but I do deny them my essence.
http://www.itmonline.org/arts/hoshouwu.htm
Besides taking these herbs he found on his hillside hikes, the oldest man in recorded history supposedly retained his semen in the act of intercourse. He went through several wives, who didn't live so long.
As far as I can tell, the better deal of Eastern and Western alchemical doublespeak refers to sublimation of the sexual essense.
Unless the techniques are automatic, I think it would be interesting to hear different approaches spoken in everyday language.
Speaking of immortals living only long enough to fulfill their purpose, after the quote in the movie, Jack Ripper immediately goes into the bathroom and shoots himself. This, I suppose is the excuse for the immortals' going to the other side.
energy can't be desroyed.
I am responsible, what is essence of me and what is not, almost 99%.
There would be no way to incarnate, when you don't take responsibilities.
This is the main reason you find much more about love inside you: You are holding the kernel of love/responsibility for this life, also brings your mental from your past life)
When you believe that there are some universal laws like karma, it would also prove the idea of incarnation, cause karma holds also the responsibilities/desires of the past life.
This is maybe the reason, you can 'feel' that some people you meet, you know from somewhere, but can't remember.Maybe because you blocked out the past life balast.To enjoy "this chance" freely,
don't matter, who you has been or will be.
Is this possible and how would you achieve it??
But..... Who would want to be immortal anyway. I'd go crazy
Look at the literature related to Alchemy--many practitioners have talked about achieving immortality as the final step of your development--Fulcanelli was rumoured to have lived 200 years or so--according to conspiracy theories the CIA was looking for the guy after WWII, despite the fact that he has born in the 18th century.
Personally I think it is a Holy Grail that, like any other, once you grow enough to be worth it you discover you don't want it/need it.
And what about Kundalini control..? Theoretically, it would activate some hidden (and actually turned off) mechanisms leading to autoregeneration of living cells.
NEZabaleta
immortality:
step 1: construct energy bubble/psi ball thingie
step 2: program bubble to restore the energies in your body that deal directly with aging.
step 3: Put tons of energy into this programming
step 4: Enjoy
The regeneration of living cells is said to be a side effect of DNA repair. However, straight explanations tend to go downhill from there. The grid of DNA is said to be the ethereal web which forms the indestructable diamond body, or philosopher's stone.
Harnessing the fire of Kundalini in the cauldron of the body is the secret art of refining this substance and the source of power for all advanced majic.
The alchemical water of life is said to flow from the Holy Grail, but this cup (maybe bowl) was the same one said to be used by Christ before his death on the cross and temporary trip to Hell. It seems to me that this would not be the cup used in the last supper, but a chemical wedding if true.
By other interpretations the philosophers stone, or cast aside stone which became the cornerstone, is forgotten knowlege revived.
I beleive the terminology is useless, except to signify your illuminated status to others.
what about an advanced form of biokenisis. i know this has been of much dispute but i think its very possible to acheive this by renewing the cells of your body every couple of years.
sure, but i would practice a visualisation exercise envisioning your body regenerating and getting younger. I wouldn't try to micromanage it all.
the part that you would have to control would be the telemeres on the stem cells in the body
Micromanagement is for the purpose of refining course energies so that they are easier to assimilate.
Life would have been a great joke if it ceased to be at the time of death. Why all the effort to excell in life when you only live a miserable short existence? Isn't one purpose of OBE to show you that you are more than your physical body? And by the way, the continuation of life is a matter of Natural Laws and not of religion.
Quote from: CarlosLife would have been a great joke if it ceased to be at the time of death. Why all the effort to excell in life when you only live a miserable short existence? Isn't one purpose of OBE to show you that you are more than your physical body? And by the way, the continuation of life is a matter of Natural Laws and not of religion.
Very well put.
And again, why would you want to be immortal?
Even if I knew how to accomplsh it, I wouldn't
It is not a matter of wanting. Every living thing is an Individual Intelligence on its own way to progression. As to how to accomplish it, one learns it on the way. There are only two ways: Either one progresses or digresses. Research reveals much scientific work done that evidence immortality. Even death in itself is life in progress.
Web sites and books addressed to the Progressive Intelligence of the Age:
http://www.cfpf.org.uk/
http://www.gsns.org
Arthur Findlay's "Curse of Ignorance and others such as "On the Edge of Etheric," etc.
From what I see of Yoga, it is their approach to hybernate in order to extend life. Eventually, they meditate upon bliss until there is no breath and hold the state until they want to join the rest of the world.
Those who I know to have personally demonstrated abilities in other arenas claim to be able to choose this immortality, but age in the claim that they need to work out karma. This suggests hibernation to me, as longer life would allow one to build better karma.
The kundalini, which is said to burn off spiritual dross, apparently has no effect on physical corruptibility.
It seems to me that free spirits can gather matter at will if they feel like incarnating, but never die - even when they are bound to burn forever. Probably, you are immortal when you are dead.
I believe the concept of immortatility has alot to do with the spritual body rather than the physical one. The physical body is merely a vessel designed to gather experience on this planet... Why would u want to live on this planet as a human forever??? I believe at a certain point u would simply loose interest being human.. Then what??? Life seems to be a journy... I think the key to immortality is awareness... norturing the energy body.. raising the kundalini, creating solar bodies etc etc.. what ever u want to call it....
Explain biokinesis.
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You can achive immortality by cloning????? What?
Was there sarcasm in your statement at all. I'm frickin tired and couldn't tell what "write a book" meant. Haha......I'm such a re tard.
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LOL. No! No sarcasm at all! [:D] Cloning could be considered a viable method of immortality. Okay, I've got a dose of sci-fi in me. [:)] It may not be possible yet, and maybe not really you (unless brains are transplanted, or something)...
I believe that creating something allows a part of you to live forever (until it's destroyed). That includes books, paintings, etc...
I would agree with you that creating something leaves a small part of you there. That small part is energy actually (frequency that identifies you). In fact it goes even deeper than that. Whatever you touch, walk around, think of etc obtains some energy from you. You can think of it more or less like the infra-red (heat) cameras work. Instead of leaving heat behind, you leave a frequency or energy behind. The more attention you give to something, the more energy you devote to it. OBE work the same way I believe. It's basically an energy transfer where the mind transfers energy to your astral body by thinking about it in some abstract sense.
I'm sure that scientists will eventually perfect cloning, and i don't really have anything against it. In and of itself it's pretty miraculous, and i don't think God "minds". How society uses that technology however is open to debate, and possible misuse, just the way atomic power has been used and abused.
As for other forms of immortality, the spirit IS immortal, the physical body is not, and our physical bodies don't live as long as they potentially could. I've heard legends and myths of humans who lived hundreds of years and died/passed on when they wanted to. I don't think there would be an overpopulation problem if we had all reached that spiritual/magical/mystical level. For one, it would take a lot of esoteric knowledge and practice to get a whole planet of people up to the same speed (but we're trying!) And if they did, they would have population countermeasures in place, perhaps every other decade being a birth cycle, or something like that.
And then there are sadder stories of people who wanted immortality through energy vampirism, but i don't know much about that...
Sound about 5000 Hz triggers the DNA self repair.
What I should do immortal and be proud of, when evryone is already dead :cry:
12 strand DNA activation would maybe do this job, who knows?
And this would be not effective when people still moving only for surviving.
unfortunately, begining of regenaration is available only from 6000 strands of DNA up, it epends on your genetical heritage
unfortunately, beginning of regenaration is available only from 6000 strands of DNA up, it depends on your genetical heritage if you can achieve it
I'm unsure if "Starchild Activation" means the same process. :roll:
As I remember the third DNA strand is emotional balance/body
while the 4th is the youth/regeneration strand.
a 5000 Hz may be just a command to DNA to re-generate some cells
by regenrating cells, with time this cells are loosing smal parts of information.
this is why it is possible to die biologicaly.thx
Interesting, I consider myself being consciousness manipulating energy. E.g. slowing energy's oscillation down in such a way that it seems to be physical matter. That makes any attempts to consider "being" from the other way round a bit odd - like trying to archive "being immortal", while being already.
Or to manipulate DNA by any "outside technical means", while it's very existance is maintaned from within. Not meaning that holding beliefs against that, are easy to "overcome" for me ;)
The "seriousness" about being human is the "lack of broader perspective" and the seemingly short "longevity". But as far as one life will never be enough to experience being a human in a physical dimension (what about "switching" gender?) and my Essence is supposed to have a few hundreds down here already I do not really feel like bothering getting as old as e.g. a "Vorlon Ambassador" ;)
Well there are ways of altering DNA by screwing with your energetic fields; altering the cellular body according the energetic one instead of the other way around. That much is pretty much proven, and I have a few theories on DNA/field interaction, but nothing solid yet, and I'm no expert the on cellular aging process so I wouldn't know which fields to screw with.
There's always the whole 'ascendance' deal where, I'm guessing, your energetic form becomes indistinguishable from the cellular one and you can change frequencies and whatnot, but all the people who have done that seem to be extremely stingy with the details and don't want anyone else to know how it works.
I suspect immortality is achievable. Buddha described several ways to achieve it, even though, he did not recommend it. One of them is through sex. Do not remember detail. Other ways described in Tao is some kind of reverse natural energy way...
I also believe it is achievable, although I couldn't give a rational explanation as to how. But if everything is energy at a fundamental level, it isn't unreasonable to suppose that one form of energy within the human system (the mind) could control another (the physical body).
Personally I wouldn't want to live on this plane forever (or until the aging sun makes life on Earth unsustainable), but I would like to have that degree of control over my body!
See my warnings before acting on any of this. There is such a thing as compound interest on karmic debt. Ever hear of a dollar being recirculated until it builds many monuments? Debt is the same in the currency which circulates throught the infinite.
Well ,a simple experiment that I suggest because it is mostly safe and cheap is to take skippy CD and concentrate on making it playable. Oftentimes, it takes no more than a shower or focused pulse of energy. Sometimes, a radio with poor reception or shoddy speakers can be fixed permanently by the same method, but this modest amount energy can be withdrawn and the effects reversed. Sometimes, this happens automatically when the equipment changes possession.
Why couldn't damaged cells be fixed so simply?
There is a permanent weakening described, which occurs in healers. If there is not adequate karma for a healing, the force of will is enough when semi-permanently programmed. However, the thoughtform continues to draw energy from the healer until that healer (who could otherwise be immortal) appears physically aged. Though what I am writing is probably known by these particular healers, I will not give names until permission is granted. Anyway, I know of one amazing healer whose student is unaged at 65+. Recent photos of the guy make him look photogenic and at his prime! His complection might be prettier than mine at 25. But his teacher is hunched over and gray. Little did I know what I was implying when I used to ask why they don't just heal themselves. In our workings, let us understand this to be a real, life lesson about unfufilled desires being the cause of all human misery!
Since frequencies have come up-
It was quoted that 300kHz was the frequency Tesla (an Illuminatist) claimed would produce strange health effects. Seperately, I have heard of certain frequencies causing tumors to fall off, etc., but I would take the example of weak microwaves progressively blowing up DNA to mean that wrong frequencies cause damage. Also claimed by Tesla, nonHertzian waves of 500kHz+ would cause thunderstorms.
It is claimed by supposed members of the modernday Melchizedek Order that the spiritual frequency of oxygen will clear up a polluted pond or sky. This they transmit through types of psionic devices, which they have claimed are based on Tesla technology.
On sex-
I give this warning as I don't know how it applies to you. The Multiorgasmic Man was said by word of mouth to contain a Daoist technique related to male superkegels. Sexual muscles of the abdominal floor are tightened and released multiple times. The muscles are related to the anal sphincter and retention of the urine. There are actually several, but it should be obvious which ones I am speaking of. Now after clenching and releasing them enough times, they will flutter, and a shiver of energy will travel up the spine and into the forehead.
I didn't hear it mentioned this way, but didn't the shiver sound familiar you different orders of kundaletics? The force does come up from the already familiar base chakras. The methods change in so much of yoga, as doshically speaking, there are "different strokes for different folks." But a common principle of pranyama in Kriya is to charge an area by breathing prana through the turbinates while certain muscles are clenched. (The energy may or may not be released upon exhalation.) In some cases, energy moves progressively higher through the chakras of the central pillar.
Remember the oldest man in China, sometimes pronunced Lee-Chun-Hoe (sp?) who lived to be at least 256 years old? It has been said that he wouldn't have even had to retain his ejaculate if he had willed the energy to remain in his body through what is called the little death (orgasm). Surely, my results from the exercize are related. Also, in Kriya yoga, one revolution of energy through the body is said to be equal to one lifetime (or year) of spiritual developement.
In Daoist Yoga, figurative semen is said to ascend the spine as steam arising from a cauldron, heated (or energized) by a furnace of spiritual fire. It's recirculation is said to repair the body. It has been described that the condensation of spiritual water and the burning of spiritual dross form the Indestructable Diamond Body, which refracts the rays of God. Remember the interlaced fire and water triangles?
Different alchemies have thousands of euphemisms for every step, but as I understand it, this general technique (kundalini) for harnessing supernatural powers is the inner essence of every religion. However, the difference between astral(mental, willful) and spiritual(causal) light being refracted is also the difference between Godly and Luciferic initiation.
If you don't get it, DON'T TRY IT! If you disagree, I am not necessary one of those who cannot be reasoned with by way of logic.
Some immortals such as Count Saint Germain are said to live in the higher planes and return in a physical body when it suits them.
If you could be healed of ailments using eg NEW or other chi/energy work or faith healing, would old age alone kill you?
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This is an erased double post. Sorry. My connection is all whacky.
This Alex Chiu fellow claims he has created some rings that will make you immortal if you wear them nightly. Check it out for yourself. It's good for a short read, or a long chuckle.
http://www.alexchiu.com/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=pissedoffmystic
If 80 people click this link I get a free pair! How spiffy is that? And if I become immortal, I'll let you all know! It's a win win situation.
If you don't feel like clicking my link you can just go to his page www.alexchiu.com.
I imagine it's all a bunch of nonsense, but I'm a true skeptic. And heck, what a novelty item, eh? If I wasn't so poor I'd just buy me a pair.
PissedOffMystic, re-edit your link if you want your free pair!
Take care,
Regarding to hearth center strobe, a self-healing effect should yield the desired effect.
ASLEGNAT
Hey all, click my link too... I need my free pair!
Quote from: TheDarkApprenticeIs this possible and how would you achieve it??
But..... Who would want to be immortal anyway. I'd go crazy
With wisdom and knowledge of the workings of the organic organism one could, through technological or spiritually means, change the very fabric of their genetic makeup in a way in which the cells of the body would reproduce new cells instead of exact copies at the age of 20.
I'm not sure what would be the point of such a process. I have heard of a particular group of ancient alien "creator gods" who have done this to themselves.