I believe that psi and ki are in fact the same thing with just a different name. I believe psi is more of a westernized scientific term while ki or chi is the traditional eastern term. They are one in the same.
He speaks of wisdom and truth.
Sounds good to me. [:)]
Psi is related to parapsichology. The energy of the mind(brain). Usually this energy was to used to do things like telekinesis or telepathy, in other words, energy conntrolled by your mind. Then, i think that some people from the internet started to use psi as chi / ki /qi/ prana or how you name energy to name the enegy to make psi balls and perhaps avoid confusing people with chi o ki. These type of energies are related to chi kung, aikido, qi gong and other martial arts. Therefore the name psi was derived to name psi balls, psi shields etc. to avoid confusion...
well now it all mixed up in radical terms. one simple way is to everything energy!!
Let me help shed some light[8D]. Psi is made by nerves firing so you use nerve clusters for using this.Chi/ki/qi/whatever is your lifeforce and you usually draw it from the dan tien and other chakras and meridians. Wording is not perfect but you figure it out
But is it not all basicly the same energy?
Link Shadow, that was the same thing I thought about psi, that psi is just a scientific name given to this energy and Ki is the ancient name. But many people deny this.
Anymore views, comments?
Chi/ki/psi are all the same things but just have different names[:o)]
Well maybe if all you rad ki people would try and research alittle on trad ki it will help lots. Its not all energy blasts and flying you know.
well, people say that they know and think energy is real. execpt they think energy is just streangth, like after eating food. but thats ki,ki is energy used to heal ur woums and give steanght. psi is the very energy we live off of. of course we cna die if we run out of ki without burning out. but psi is wut feads our soul.
Ericster I agree with you.
Treaty_Angel I really don't know the relation of normal energy and the psycic energy. I think they are same. And yes, you say that ki is normal usage energy and can only be used in healing but that is wrong as we know that there are ki blasts and that ki can be used as a damaging factor but such a thing should only be used in extreme times.
Any more views?
Are you people blind? I don't know where yall get your information, probably some tripod site lol[}:)], but you need to go get some real info like at psiguild or psipog. Oh and ki blasts are mostly bovine excrement IMO.
Derk, Everything is possible.
Where did I say it wasn't possible? I meant bovine excrement as they aren't good for much. They aren't like dbz and yyh where you blow up buildings and slaughter people.
Ok, I apologise for that.
Yes, thinking in view of spiritual development Ki Blasts and Beams and other such things don't have significance al all, but in fighting Ki Blasts are useful for increasing the damage due to physical attack. Ki Beams are not useful untill and unless you can make a really strong one( That takes really hard training).
Ok yes that is true. I would have thought that more of a ripple punch or something but not a ki blast.
Yeah, it's called a Ki Punch. It involves punching hard and simulatneous Ki Blast in our hand. It is very powerful if done correctly and is extremely dangerous for the opponent.
Yeh I know. I've tried it on no one though.
A True Chi/Ki Punch does not require a HARD Hit to cause damage at all...If You hit HARD, then that is just You hitting hard (a Penetration, as opposed to a Slap on the surface)...
A True extension of a Chi/Ki Punch would be a Fast, Light touch that would cripple a person...For example, a punch my older brother was teaching me, if You time and strike just right with speed, correct technique, and extension of Energy, then You can shift a person's stomach to the side...I felt the pain just with him practcing the technique and barely touching me...That is a True Chi/Ki Punch...
As for the Ki vs. Psi...Consider this...If Psi is nothing more than Nerves firing off energy, then how would You explain Telepathy and Telekinesis? Or even Remote Viewing (which is, by some, considered Psi)...
At close range, yes, there are Touch Telepathy Methods or Short-Range Telepathy Methods...BUT...if it were limited to only the nerves, the amount of surrounding Energies would overpower the input the nerves would take in and invalidate any long-distance attempt (due to interference)...
That is why I beleive Ki and Psi are not the same thing...Though, they can BOTH have similar, close-range abilities, they are different (they drain You in different ways)...
To me, Chi/Ki is Body Energy (some say Life Energy) and Psi is Mind Energy (which is something Higher than something Physical)...
I often wonder why people keep looking for PHYSICAL Proof of Energy, rather than looking for something BEYOND the Physical (because Energy IS beyond the Physical...it is involved with it, but is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT than the Physical World in its own)...To me, that is like trying to explain the Center of Gravity by saying there is more stuff in the middle, as opposed to it being something Greater, disregarding how much stuff is Truly there...
There is a Large Difference from the Practitioner who Looks for the Truth, and the Practitioner who Lives it...
I Hope this Helped...Good Luck Training...Until we meet again...
I agree with you Syko Dragon, A fast and light touch is the best method. In this accuracy matters and the coolest thing is that it has Style.
As the nerves have fired energy thus that energy can be used in Telepathy and Telekinesis. Moreover I think the that Ki, chi and psi are the same things.
Now you say about interference. Yes as there is dual nature of Energy therefore in wave pattern there will be interference. But remember the Principal of Superposition or something like that. It states that Waves travel in such a way that even if they intersect they pass without and difference in them as if the other wave never existed. Thus this tells that no matter how much small the energy is it will have it's effect.
Yes, we should not depend on seeing energy but feeling it.
It's not power that is the basis but wisdom.
It is an old Hindu saying that "One should seek wisdom. With wisdom, power will automatically come to us".
To vikram88:
Well, to the nerves firing Energy, to me, that can explain TP and TK for Close-Range objects...However, in terms of "waves," waves also lose some of their Energy over distance...That would, even through Interference, cause Long-Distance Telepathy Impossible (TP across the world, or so)...
One other thing about Interference, there are more than just one type of wave interferring with the Nerves (primarily, the body's interactions with it's environment)...
Close-Range TP, as said before, would be just a Training Issue, however, this does not stay consistent with Long-Distance TP...The Waves created by the Brains and Nerves have been shown to have Very Little...Impulse, to travel over such Great Distances (but only in terms of Physics)...
Interesting points, however...All these points, including Theories in Physics, etc, could also be all irrelevent, taking into account that Energy in its Purest Form could have many many different aspects to them...
Also, in a sense, one can argue that Chi, Psi, Ki, etc, are all the same in that they are in fact all Energy...However, You must remember too that they have different properties, applications, sources, etc (excluding "similarities" between them)...
The different Classifications/Labels were only made for Organizing particular excercises (now, in the future), identifying specific "types" of Energy, etc...But that, in itself, does not mean to say that there aren't any overlapping fields, or that one system was named differently by another culture...However, Principles of Psi and Ki/Chi have very Fundamental Differences that make them specifically different...Check out PsiPog's explanations and applications of Psi, and those of any Traditional Chi books...They are applications of Energy in Very Different ways, with different sources, exercises, applications, methods, etc...
Anyways, this is getting WAY too long...=P Sorry about that...Good Luck Training...Until we meet again...
I agree with you SykoDragon that upon distant travelling the intensity of wave decreases. Therefore it is said that Close-TK is far simpler than Distant-TK. But recently it has been scientifically proved that no matter how much distance two electron are kept they are able to communicate within themselves. Thus this has led to the theory of the Holographic universe which states that every particle in this universe is infinitely connected with other particles. It also means that each particle has a detailed information of each and every other particle. Pretty hard to believe, but in my sense it should be true.
This will explain the existance to Telepathy, Telekinesis and other metaphysical activities. You can read about this in the Quantum Physics forum in the topon 'Holographic Universe'.
Energy is said to be made out of photons. So whatever it be chi, ki or psi they are made of photons. Even if the origin is different we cannot agree with them consituting of anything else than photon, until and unless some new particle is discovered. So if their contituent is same then they also should be same. Well this topic about Ki and psi being same is very confusing and debatable.
Hey... listen to this. Just now I felt as if someone passed from beside me. I almost saw a black figure and felt it clearly. But when I looked there it was empty. Was this just an illusion or is it something?
To vikram88:
I'll look up that topic and see how that goes...
I don't believe that All Energy is made up of Photons...Energy in terms of the Electro-Magnetic Spectrum, yes...But there are other types of Energies out there that exist...For example, Gravity...I haven't known Gravity to be consisting of Photons or referred to as such...Unless tons of Science Teachers don't want to tell us or just don't know and teach it as "an unseen force," then I could probably begin to perceive that as possible...I also see that as a Great Misconception of Science, that Energy is a seemingly Single "Type" (or Photons/Light) but rather, as in Physics, has many forms and transferences into many forms...That would also make many other so-called "mystical" beliefs a little more Validated besides just Proven wrong because no "Physical" Evidence was not calculated or found...I could be wrong, though...
Also, perhaps an Electron may have communication abilities with another electron across Great Distances and are all Connected, but a connection disregards Application, Processing, and Intensity of TP and TK...Actually, long Distance TP would be easier to see in this case, but not Long Distance TK (or Psi Battles that cause Physical Damage)...That still requires some other aspect to cause some kind of Effect...This could be a Key in Remote Views as well...
That seems quite Interesting for science to prove that distance seems irrelevent...However, that would also depend on how far they have actually tried to measure...If, for example, they were to experiment with factors that could be explained by the Principle of Superposition, that would also disregard such distances...
Are there any sites or books to find the experiment's measurements and data? Or is that in the other Forum? (I'll go check right now, actually)...
Good Luck Training...Until we meet again...
PS- Usually a black figure and sense of a person is some Spirit or Neg...What used to freak me out when I was a kid, was that I would feel as if someone ran their finger across my shirt (along the back) really smooth and fast and nobody was there; couldn't even feel a presence (at the time)...
To vikram88:
Interesting and Intriguing Article, indeed...
Yes, that seems like a Better Explanation (in terms of Science) and it makes me Happy to see that some Scientists are Open and Considering Connections to Older Ideas...
However, just one point, that isn't to say it has been Proven...Just that the Evidence has shown a Possible Feasible Explanation...^_^ As it is with All Theories...However, the complexity of that relationship could also hold Keys to Understanding other phenomena like Black Holes...^_^
One thing one also has to consider is that if it is True that distance has no relevancy, then what of the LSD Experiments where a seemingly animal state was created? Were the supposed "failures" or "inaccuracies" another part of the Universe that contains Life? I would have found the explanation a little more Accurate to claim if the subjects were to relay encounters of places and entities OTHER than that of Earth...In that case, then Distance wouldn't Truly be a Factor...
However, one may argue that the Fraction of the Image is thus Reflected upon itself (the image creating a Whole) that is Relative to our particular and supposed "Location"...So then, how would we Advance "Outwards?" Or is it a limitation also brought on by Human Thoughts?
So then, if it IS True, then what is left is the Applications of the Holographic Paradigm in particular ways...Or, in a sense (in a way they put it), altering the angle of the lens to produce different "information," or rather, different Realities...^_^ Brings a much Clearer Picture (in an Age where Science has dominated many Beliefs)...^_^
Thanks for the 411, since I'm a Newbie and haven't searched most of this Forum and Website...^_^...Good Luck Training...Until we meet again...
Everything that possesses energy can be affected by energy and things that are mostly matter can be extremely affected by energy. Just like I have said before, the energy in a hot cup of coffee could boil all the seas of the world. Oh, about the PHYSICAL evidence issue. The correct proof will be sufficient in all states.
Energy is not always in the state of photons. Energy also has dual nature i.e. in the form of particles and in non-particle form. I forgot to mention this. In non-particle form it has different significance like KE, PE, Work Done etc. Each of these have different uses. But what I think is that this is just a way by which physics divides Energy for better learning. I think they are the same thing just being used for different purposes like a computer being used for playing games and making software. Bad Example isn't it. Although it might be that Energy has different non-particle forms. There might be many people who think that matter will serve as a good example and seeing that electrons, protons, neutrons are diffent but all are matter. But as science progresses, it has found their corresponding sub-particles quarks which are still divided into parts. So science will go so much ahead that it will come to know that everything is made just from a single specific particle. Just that it differs in proportion. Just like this I think that though Energy is said to be different forms but soon we will know that different forms of Energy also consists of a specific particular thing just in different proportions. Thus I believe that from the basic point Ki and Psi are the same although they might be made from different proportions of that thing and thus might have different uses.
I even read that upon Einsteins proposing a very tough problem for Heisenberg, which was defying Heisenberg's Principle, and which Heisenberg was not able to explain Bohr said that every particle has a consciousness of it's own. I wrote about this problem in the topic Heisenberg's Principle in the forum Quantum Mechanics. So if every particle has consciousness of it's own and has the information of each and every particle and can communicate then they can also make other particle move by requesting(I don't mean the literal meaning but this was the only word I got to express myself). Thus long distance TK also seems possible.
It's quite interesting and quite difficult for science to prove it. I will take science years to thoroughly study it.
I have no idea of good books on experiments and measurements.
I said that the communication between electrons has been proven. The Holographic Universe theory is completely hypothetical, atleast till today.
What was the LSD Experiment?
Limitation of Human Thought. Otherwise everything is possible.
The Holographic Universe is really an interesting topic. It will almost explain all metaphysics. Who knows what's beyond our six senses. There might be tons of things and other senses we are unaware of.
I've just been thinking over on Ki and Psi. We all kno that they are similar in one thing i.e. they are Energy. Now psi is created by nerves firing. Science states that at the location of chakra's there are huge custers of nerves. Now we take out Ki from our Sub-Navel chakra, but scientifically there are no chakra's but clusters of nerves and the energy given by them is psi. So when we take out Ki we are actually using psi. Therefore it can be said that Ki and psi are the same.
So do you think Ki and Psi are the same?
Fell free to comment on this thought...