Warning !!!

[mactombs]

quote: 1. The Earths Magnetic poles are shifting

I don't know how many times I have read this and saw this used ignorantly. The Earth's magnetic poles are, and always have been, shifting. If they shift really fast, they'll completely switch in several millenia. If you want to understand this shift better, you can find some information on NASA's website.

quote: 2.The Consciousness of the Planet is raising and our Energy Bodies are raising (Vibrationally) naturally anyway, so to accelerate this if STUPIDITY.

If there is such a thing as an energy body, claiming to understand it and its relation to the universe on a quantum level and then how it relates to common geological occurances, and if and how this energy body is affected by techniques such as NEW is a bit out there.

Instead, I would caution people to use their brains. If something negative happens, and it really has some kind of wrinkly-shrink grape-to-raisin affect, I would advise you see several other people to diagnos what is wrong rather than point your finger at the first thing you suspect. I would start with your physician.

I'm also sure that if your brain is functioning properly, you will discover that NEW and meglomania aren't exactly bedfellows. If you suspect that energy raising et al will result you being able to Force choke someone, you may wish to defer to your counselor/psychologist, as your issues may lay elsewhere.

[Vojn Svetla Gorskog]

Dear Gman,

In the beginning, the exercises may seem to 'drain' you because you spend more energy raising energy. As you continue practice, this balance eventually levels out then shifts.

Here's some non-expert advice:

1. Pace yourself with the exercises carefully (Mr. Bruce warns about this.. some people need a month, others a week to regain balance)

2. Don't try hard to force an effect from an exercise, it will come by itself.

3. Think of it as working out. First you start with a 15lbs weight then 20, then 25, etc. Starting out with a 50lbs will render you useless for a week as you recover from lactic acid pain and the muscle becomes numb.

As far as magnetic poles shifting and Global Consciousness; I don't know what knowledge or authority I have over such information, but it hasn't affected me in any way.

Hope that helped,

Vojn Svetla Gorskog

[cube]

I think the idea of a pole shift has a lot more to do with the (poorly named) 100th monkey effect and not so much the actual magnetic field.

It's that the more people gain awareness, the faster other people start to gain awareness and it increases exponetially. The more awareness there is, the more etheric energy people draw in and so everyone is affected by the increasing energy.

While that's the idea, I don't know if the idea is actually true. I do know that there have been times when the air was definitely more energetic than usual. I think the 'pole shift' is waving in and not very linear.

[boydster]

I've been trying for about 6 months to overdo NEW---to no avail. Nothing bad has happened to me.

I'm sorry to hear about your problems. I hope you find a solution to health.

[Jon_88]

Hmm Actually it could be something in this thought not exactly what the threadmaker is portraying. I have read on an alchemical website that energywork is best begun done "Top to down , outwards to invards" While NEW is opposite(one begin inside the feet and work upwards).

This text (im gonna paste a passage from it and paste link at the end) is however not easy reading as it is about how energy work relates to Speirema/kundalini. And further more it is written in Alchemical and quabalistic terms (Mark Stavish the writer teaches Alchemy ).

But my understanding from the text is it is done to lessen the energyblockages and prepares better for the mind and clears emotional problems , before starting working with the energy body.
But progress is admitably slower initially since one builds a better supporting structure(one that should in the end stand the veight of Speirema). And also with this system it is easier to have a normal modern life.
But remember Alchemists also uses potions and tinctures both in both phases to bolster their efforts. Thise are relativ expenciv if one doesnt know how make them(and hard to procure?).

It is no hiding that NEW is designed for fast result. And unforseen trubles may occur more easely ,espessially if Speirema is affected early in this manner.(Bruce give advise to give the root chacra a wide berth). And for the quirius dabbler that doesnt know anything about anything and is sceptical about the whole esoteric business(but still somewhat open minded.). (hmm does it sound like anyone you know , or knew[])

It is crazy to expect them to keep faith over any length of time without getting interesting feedback from whatever their putting their efforts in (i say 14 days before interest begins to fade .a month it is as good as gone, and i am a patient man[]relativ patient). Heck even if you see results but doesnt have a clue how it relates to you , it is hard to keep efforts up (why do you think so many quit mathmatics , they can see they get results right but doesnt have a clue how triogonometry or whatever relates to them !).

Anyway for those who concern themselfs i guess a golden middleway could be struck  ,begin with NEW then if one gets results and are concerned about trubles consider switching over to the golden dawn system and "secure the building" so to speak if one does not get results interest should fade , unless one acts stupidly and does what Bruce does warn about.

For those who accidently release Speirema\kundalini (myself included) with no relation to any "system" its hard to make solid suggestions but NEW may NOT be the place to start. Securing better control of the mind should be the first place to start ,that i am almost positive off ! It does not matter if energybody is bad or good ,or the chacras got blockages or running smoothly or "humming ","spinning" whatever if one persives oneself in the hands of a malign force ,plaqued by demons , or have panic attacks.

Carefull experimentation while this is done to alliviate symtoms can also be done(very carefull as one gets feedback relativ quikk).

Conclusion : use systems for what their supposed use are . If one wish to try another system do a clean switch . no mix and match ,because then you get YOUR system and you should atleast give it some thought before going ahead with it.  


As to the author of this thread im sorry to hear you have problems but your abstractions of your problems doesnt tell anything about what initially caused them or what they exactly are ,there are many things that can make one feel like a raisin compared to a grape , good old depression are one of them. Chronic fatique is another.

I can to some point agree that Bruce NEW isnt "Perfectly safe"  but it isnt "Perfectly unsafe" either. Your 2 reasons can atbest be called subtle causes. I agree that magnetics can have a impact on both mind and body .

But this is background fields and radiation your talking about. The effects of a switch(teoretical) will be varieble for the induvidual dependant on how tuned he is to that frequency. But for most people ,they dubtfully would feel a thing did it happen. However living under powerlines where the poles switch many thousand times a second is NOT good. (just how bad it is ,is unknown!)

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    a passage from Mark Stavish "Secret fire "

quote:1) Indian yoga is aimed principally at liberation from the physical realm in as quick a method as possible. Western esoteric practices are aimed at the perfection of matter and the psyche within the material world, and not an abandonment of it.

2) Chinese yoga, or Chi Kung, is more akin to Western practices, in that it is aimed at perfection of the material world, and even the spiritualizing of the body into a "Body of Light". It however, is more akin to Indian yoga, in that it starts at level of the etheric body (nadis or acupuncture points) and proceeds from there.

This "from the bottom up, and inside out" approach is different from the Middle Pillars "top down, outside in" method. Because the etheric body is directly effected early on, the effects are more dramatic, as well as potentially traumatic for the unprepared. In the Middle Pillar, the etheric body is often the last thing effected.

This is because the symbolism used, as well as the need to develop skills in concentration, visualization, and meditation effect primarily the mental outlook of the practitioner for a long period of time. Only after considerable practice, of a year or more, on a daily basis, do the effects of the Middle Pillar begin to sink into the astral body, and eventually filter into the etheric and physical bodies of the practitioner.

It is stated in one source, that it takes a minimum of three years for even the most advanced yoga practitioner to release the Kundalini through special exercises. A 'release' which we have stated, is not a release per say, but the removal of obstacles to its natural expression.

This is a critical point, since it is often said that to experience kundalini will often take twenty years of practice of esoteric exercises, or even Hatha Yoga, the same amount of time it took Nicholas Flamel to confect The Philosopher's Stone. During a recent workshop, Jean Dubuis stated that it may be possible to complete the extremely dangerous Flamel Method in three years.

It may be that for the alchemist, the interior creation of the Philosopher's Stone is nothing short of the kundalini experience, and the exterior creation of the Stone is the ability to direct this Cosmic creative energy at will.

And the hyperlink for the ones who wants to (try[]) and learn more. http://www.hermetic.com/stavish/essays/secret-fire.html    

 

[mactombs]

quote:It is no hiding that NEW is designed for fast result. And unforseen trubles may occur more easely ,espessially if Speirema is affected early in this manner.(Bruce give advise to give the root chacra a wide berth). And for the quirius dabbler that doesnt know anything about anything and is sceptical about the whole esoteric business(but still somewhat open minded.). (hmm does it sound like anyone you know , or knew)

That "quirius dabbler" sounds like me. Except for the part about losing interest in weeks-to-months times (it's been significantly longer for me).

My skeptic gene sounds like the star trek red alert alarm everytime someone says that raising energy is going to do physical/emotional damage. I say you're confusing cause and effect. I'm saying if you have emotional problems after, you more than likely had them before, too. Raising energy has nothing to do with it. Maybe the only thing that relates to it is, the energy raising process brings you better in tune with yourself so you recognize emotional/physical ailments more clearly.

I've heard that eating an orange and then taking a shower will cause you to explode, too. No doubt those who like to place sacred importance on oranges or their own ability to eat said oranges would like you to believe that.

It may be true, however, that if you think raising energy levels will cause your head to inflate and burst its gooey innards, or some such relation, and then you (by grace of mind over matter, or placebo) get a headache, that it might be best for you to discontinue your energy raising.

My guess is: if energy raising can indeed do physical harm, you are also incapable of achieving that level of energy raising without also being prepared for it.

I can't imagine a spiritual development path littered with landmines, and if so, one that disallows its travelers metal detectors.

[volcomstone]

Im scared, Im never goina eat oranges again.

[boydster]

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Thanks for the oranges in the shower analogy---funniest thing I encountered today.

[Kalonek]

I'll have done NEW for 2 years in july and nothing bad ever happened to me, except maybe one or 2 minor side effects the first week (scums, small headaches on the temples etc). Work carefully and use your brain, and everything will be fine.

[Gman]

Hi everyone,

I would just like to add (Through Personal Experiences)a warning to you all.
Mr Bruce makes out that his NEW is perfectly safe but let me tell you that everyone has a different energy body(Capacity) and not all are as tolerant as Mr Bruces.

I fell for the egotistical (As many have on this forum)and wrong way of trying to gain special energy powers at an accelerated rate.
If you keep this up I would like you to envision a fresh Plump Grape bursting with vitality and at the side of this there is a shrivelled up raisin.
I eventually became the raisin.

I realise now that the NEW system is dangerous because of 2 major occurences...

1. The Earths Magnetic poles are shifting

2.The Consciousness of the Planet is raising and our Energy Bodies are raising (Vibrationally) naturally anyway, so to accelerate this if STUPIDITY.

Dont let the Ego win because it will eventually destroy you

regards

Gman