Fa-Jing

Kalonek · March 21, 2004, 05:23:30

Hello Mistic-Idan !
I'm too a martial artist and have studied many of them during my youth and teens (kinda stop now though - university ...

) However, it is normal that as as karateka you haven't heard of the Fa-jing, as it is mostly in the chinese martial arts (the karate-do, the "way of the hollow hand", being japanese as you know).
There is nowadays some big misconceptions about Fa-jing, people see it as an almost mystical technic giving some superpowers to the martial artist (throwing people in the air without touching them etc). Of course all this is total bs.

The exact definition of Fa-jing (also called Fa-li in Ya Quan) is "an explosive movement of the body to make the power spring up". Therefore, i would describe the Fa-jing as being the harmonious alliance in a single and "perfect" movement of the body (not too tensed nor to relaxed before the movement), the mind (by the use of the Yi, the willpower in the movement), and the energy of the body, focused totally on the action. With this, the Fa-jing allows the ideal kick of punch to be done. Fa-jing is therefore for the advanced masters in martial arts, though anyone can learn it. It has a specific training, which you can easily find in many martial arts books or by talking with senseis. As i've said, you can find it in the Yi Quan, as well as for example in the Shuai-Jiao which make a distinction between the Fa-jing (the "hard force") and the Hua-jing (the "soft force") which are to be used alternately in a fight.

I hope i have answered to your question

If you have others, don't hesitate.

Mistic-Idan · March 21, 2004, 12:03:17

Thank you very much for your answer.

But is the Fa jing sort of a throwing technique or a special hit full of energy? can you please describe what is the base of the technique?

Thanks a lot!

Kalonek · March 21, 2004, 13:24:59

Well as i've said we find Fa-jing in many martial arts, therefore it is not really a technique of fight, more a common use of the body and its energies to achieve several techniques, whatever they are. It's the same as "kung-fu" in a way. Kung-fu is not a martial art (the real name is "Wushu") but a special frame of mind and technicity in everything, thus even a cook or a painter can have the "kung fu" in China

Not the same thing than fa jing though, but it's to say that the fa-jing is not a special fighting tech but applies to every technic.

achilles · March 21, 2004, 13:57:50

as i understand it, fa jin is where you discharge energy through the hands, from the dan tien (belly).

kakkarot · March 22, 2004, 19:00:08

the point of fa jing is to create an "explosive" power with the simplest/lightest of touches (or even none at all), though the actual hit isn't supposed to move the person but is supposed to go right through them like a bullet would.

it is not a specific maneuver or attack, but it is a general method of attack. science tries to explain it away as being merely completely relaxed until the point of touch at which point you snap-tense your entire body in a solid impact upon the person.

however, the martial arts which teach it also teach you how to use your energy to further increase the power of the impact (or in the case of not touching the person, to solely use your energy to do it). and that is something which you probably can't learn very well over the internet so there's not much point in trying to explain anymore ^_^.

~kakkarot

Mistic-Idan · March 22, 2004, 22:33:13

Thanks Kakkarto, This is the answer I have been searching!

Mistic-Idan · March 25, 2004, 22:38:40

Yesterday I went to a kung fu master and he showed me the Fa jing.
It was like a regular punch but a little different, it just made me a little strange feeling in my body.

Anyways it's not the Fa jing that I heard about. I heard that it's a hit with much power than that and much energy manipulation then that.

What do you say guys?

Kalonek · March 26, 2004, 08:11:19

quote:
Originally posted by Mistic-Idan

Anyways it's not the Fa jing that I heard about. I heard that it's a hit with much power than that and much energy manipulation then that.

What do you say guys?

That it confirms what i told you and infirms the "dbz ki sites"

Mistic-Idan · March 26, 2004, 08:42:47

I think you are right. But not exactly, because that the Fa-Jing that I saw was very fatal! And we really could see the energy surrounding his finger and blasting, we saw a little flash of light before the rival flew 3 meters apart the master (after getting the hit).

kakkarot · March 26, 2004, 12:55:02

To anyone reading this and thinking that you too can send your friends tumbling down a hallway with a "quick flick of the wrist" (or something like that) note the differences between the "dbz ki sites" and the guy who demonstrated for mistic-idan: the "dbz ki sites" are full of kids who have no self control, no self awareness, no great skill in the martial arts, no great skill in energy sensing, and no great skill in energy manipulation, whereas the demonstrator has likely been training for many years as opposed to the few weeks or few months of the kids on the "dbz ki sites".

Mistic: how long has the demonstrator been training for?

although, it is interesting that the master used a full punch and that the "victim" moved back so far. did he specifically say that he was showing you fa jing, or just a generic punch with energy thrown into it, or something else? Admittedly, I've not studied IN DEPTH into it, but what I have found out about it is rather different from that kind of demonstration.

~kakkarot

shedt · March 26, 2004, 21:46:36

I was under the impression that it was wrong to display and use any power gained through dedication, hard work, practice and growth. I think morale character might be added in but I don't think everything is absolute. ( at the moment)
i may be wrong, but my gut feeling, my intuition "feels" like such a thing in the long while is wrong.

Maybe it's just me ?

Mistic-Idan · March 27, 2004, 05:07:33

quote:
Originally posted by kakkarot

To anyone reading this and thinking that you too can send your friends tumbling down a hallway with a "quick flick of the wrist" (or something like that) note the differences between the "dbz ki sites" and the guy who demonstrated for mistic-idan: the "dbz ki sites" are full of kids who have no self control, no self awareness, no great skill in the martial arts, no great skill in energy sensing, and no great skill in energy manipulation, whereas the demonstrator has likely been training for many years as opposed to the few weeks or few months of the kids on the "dbz ki sites".

Mistic: how long has the demonstrator been training for?

although, it is interesting that the master used a full punch and that the "victim" moved back so far. did he specifically say that he was showing you fa jing, or just a generic punch with energy thrown into it, or something else? Admittedly, I've not studied IN DEPTH into it, but what I have found out about it is rather different from that kind of demonstration.

~kakkarot

I don't know exactly how long the master trained but I know he was very powerful.
And he didn't use a fist/punch, he used just his finger that was full of energy and screamed like I dunno.
There was a little flash when he "hit" his rival with his finger and then it looked kinda like an explosion and the rival just "flew" 3 meters apart him.

kakkarot · March 27, 2004, 14:01:50

was the "rival" a student of the school? typically when instructors do demonstrations on some students, the student will expect the "hit" and go with it, thereby increasing the supposed "effectiveness" of the technique. That's not to say that there was NO power behind the touch, but if it was deomnstrated on a student then it's possible the student overexaggerated it (with or without the teacher's consent/direction).

shedt: to display your power for the sake of inflating your own ego is considered to be the markings of a lesser fighter, but to demonstrate your power so that others may learn is not thought of in the same way [

]. so it's the intent behind the demonstration which determines whether the demonstration is viewed as "wrong" or not ^_^ (and for anyone wondering how others can judge the intent of an individual, it comes across in the individual's actions/words/etc)

~kakkarot

Mistic-Idan · March 28, 2004, 08:03:39

It wasn't a demonstration, it was a competition.
After this hit they started to show this part few more times because it was a perfect knock out victory with one hit.

Mistic-Idan · March 21, 2004, 02:39:56

I have heard of a technique or attack (I am not sure) named "Fa-Jing"
I read that martial artists of some sorts of M. arts learn this technique.
I am a martial artist I have learned Karate all my life (from age 4)and I didn't learn any technique named "Fa-Jing".
Can someone here explain me exactly what it is and what's its connection with energy?

Thanks.

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