You could either have energy blockages or your chakras and energy pathways are already well-developed. In either case, doing it for longer or stronger might produce a reaction, if that's what you want.
Humm, Do you have any advice? Should I try for a longer period of time or maybe trying it on my knees, feet etc? I just want to get started so I can experience this system I have heard so much about :)
Thanks
If you don't feel anything at all, it is more likely you have blockages than you are well developped, for in this case you still feel the energy faintly flowing inside you. I suggest you do it late at night before going to sleep. If you're tired enough, it will work better, and do it for at least 15 minutes. You will definitely feel something.
I'll try it Kalonek. Should I go with the circular motion on the thumb-joint? And just do the circular motion until I can start to feel energy in my thumb/hand? Or should I try to do the circular motion little at a time and stop and try to feel it or imagine it?
cheers :)
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I'll try it Kalonek. Should I go with the circular motion on the thumb-joint? And just do the circular motion until I can start to feel energy in my thumb/hand? Or should I try to do the circular motion little at a time and stop and try to feel it or imagine it?
cheers :)
Well do directly the circular motion on the whole palm of the hand, concentrate on it and don't stop for at least 15 minutes whatever you feel. That should be ok :)
Okay, So I tried your advice Kalonek, Did the circular motion on both of my palms for approx. 15min each. I didn't get any of the major sensations that people talk about on this board. I just got something like a numbness and tickling feeling, Also I don't know but I think I felt light-headed there for awhile. But no major sensations in my hands. Which bodyparts should I work on? Hands, Feet, Knees? Are those good to start with, Maybe doing this circular motion on each for 15min?
Also, Are you supposed to lean over to do the motion on your feet or do you have a ruler or something for that? [:P]
The physical act of targeting specific areas on your body via circular rubbing, brushing/stroking etc is meant to highlight an area and draw your awareness to it. It is to be used in the beginning stages for individuals who have troubles sensing areas on their bodies with their awareness alone.
Rather than circular rubbing on the say thumb joint for an extended period, try doing it for a few minutes. Concentrate on the feelings you get from physically tracing a circular pattern on the joint. When you think you've got it, stop physically tracing the circle and let your awareness take over. Continue trying to create and recreate the sensations you got from the physical stimulation with your awareness alone.
Your body is like an onion with its many different layers. As you continue to practice and reveal new layers, your body awareness and sensitivity will begin to open up. Don't be too discouraged if you are new to energy work and are having trouble feeling the different sensations. Continue to practice and eventually you will see results. For most all, this is a lifetime(s) endevour. It took a good while for me to really get a sense of my different body sensations when I started outer dissolving and taoist meditation/alchemy practices 7 years ago. The feelings are there, for some people it just takes time. You may not actually feel the energy working but it is..give it time and with daily practice you'll notice subtle to profound differences.
The very first part of this that you are trying to master now is the most tenuous. You are really learning to do something with the faculty of the attention--that's the real exercize here.
I had to work on the part you are doing now for a couple of weeks before I felt as though I "got it" and could reliably get a response from anywhere on my body I wanted to. But believe me, after you get to that stage it gets really interesting.
Keep at it for at least a half hour each day for a few weeks, and reread the instructions several times. There are important keys in the Robert Bruce text which open the door to the psychological states and actual thought processes which you have to align before this begins to works well.
I have a sense that you are trying to use a faculty which you may not have a large momentum using. But practice will overcome that. It does take some ability to hold your concentration, which many people haven't got much of, due to watching too much TV, drugs, Yin body condition (too much sugar..), etc.
If you don't give up, how can you fail??
Thanks a bunch for the nice replies, and don't worry. I won't give up, there's too much to miss out on :) One more question tho: What bodyparts am I supposed to be working now?
I'll go read the N.E.W guide again to see if I can find anything interesting [:)]
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Thanks a bunch for the nice replies, and don't worry. I won't give up, there's too much to miss out on :) One more question tho: What bodyparts am I supposed to be working now?
I'll go read the N.E.W guide again to see if I can find anything interesting [:)]
Well try with your feet. I find them easier to stimulate; but it also because i've spend many dozen of hours on them. Strangely, i've started doing the NEW thing before even reading it ! I started after reading a translation of an old version of Bruce's treatise on OBE, so i did it a lot by intuition and was already a little trained when i discovered Bruce's site and NEW thing. That's why i didn't start by the thumb joint etc but directly on the whole body awareness, doing waves of energy inside me to control it.
Hi Bluejay and everyone! If you are lying in your bed relaxing, can you make your hand and arm feel heavier and perhaps warmer?
I am new to NEW but i can get this heavy feeling in seconds. Is that the right way to feel? Of course it´s harder to make a toe feel heavier and that needs more awareness.
Don´t visualize the toe or hand. Just feel it. I noticed in the beginning when i wanted to get the sensations in a toe that it was harder if i had my eyes in another direction. Even though they were closed. Perhaps this can be used as a tool
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One more question :) I bet I could get this done all through the day If I wouldn't have to scratch or do a circular motion on the part I'm working. Anyway, getting to the question... How much are you supposed to feel when you aren't doing any scratching/circular motion?
When I close my eyes and shift my awareness to my Toes, Hands or Knees I can feel a slight tingling sensation. Is this ok? I mean do I still have to do scratching etc or is the tingling sensation enough in the beginning? [8)]
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When I close my eyes and shift my awareness to my Toes, Hands or Knees I can feel a slight tingling sensation. Is this ok? I mean do I still have to do scratching etc or is the tingling sensation enough in the beginning? [8)]
This is ok. In fact even if you almost don't feel anything except that feeling of having your awareness on a specific aera of your body, it's fine. At the beginning you'll only feel this for a few minutes and then only will begin to feel the energy movements. So don't give up ! And sotp the scratching etc. Try to do it without now.
Hi...I'm new to this forum and have been reading some of your posts on the N.E.W. technique and would like to know more about this. Is there an online course or website in reference to this? If so, where do you suggest I start?
Thanks
http://www.astralpulse.com/guides/new/new.htm
THANKS PARADIGM!!!!
Success! I sat down, starting to move my awareness to my feet, My feet were a bit coldish. I tried to move my awareness to my right foot, after a few minutes I felt a warm rush moving all over my LEFT foot and it became all warm and fuzzy. I now tried to focus on both my feet (Split Awareness) which worked nice and I got some warmth to my right foot as well. I did this for about 10-15 minutes.
I thought i'd begin on my knees, that was a bit harder but I think I managed to get something happening there, It seemed to hit some kind of a wall half the way up my calves? Anyway, i'm sitting here feeling something going on in my feet and half way up my calves. This must be a good sign?
I will eventually get the fuzzy feeling to reach my knees easier right? Okay, I'm out doing this on my hands then off to sleep [8D]
Congratulations bluejay you're on the right track ! Just continue like this ! About the "wall" feeling, i got it too when i started, just continue to do your stuff and it'll eventually become "thiner" and will vanish.
Everything going good so far, One more question tho. How long should I be doing this? Shifting my awareness and feeling energy. And what should be done after that? Just wanting to make everything as clear as possible, I have read the guide if you were thinking about posting the url! [:D]
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Everything going good so far, One more question tho. How long should I be doing this? Shifting my awareness and feeling energy.
Forever [:D] These are the basic actions with NEW, so you'll use them all the time, and with even more awareness shifting (like in 5 or 6 points on your body for the full circuit). You're doing well with the energy raising in the legs, just continue this until you can make a constant flow of energy in all your body with this technic. It'll mean that your secondary circuit is cleared. Then start stimulating the primary centers. It should take about 5-6 months of training before this. It can be longer or shorter though, depending on the person, but it's an average.
Ah, okay. I read somewhere that someone had done clearing their secondary centers in 2 weeks or something? What is that talk about Tactile Imagining etc in the guide? Am I Past all that? [^]
bump [:P]
I know it might be more difficult with a little practice of NEW, but really follow your intuition on this. If you feel it's going fine, you don't feel specific blockages etc, you can start on your primary centers, but continuing with the secondary as the main focus for the first year too. Don't give too much attention to the others' results, everyone is really different concerning this topic, therefore it's why i say that you should actually see by yourself if it's going well or not. With practice you'll do it very easily for you'll have some background.
Ah, Thanks again Kalonek for a great answer. One last question tho, I've been doing this 1-2 hours a day now. When I start to think about any body part I feel tingling almost instantly and when I have focused on that bodypart for some time it starts to get warm. But one thing I haven't experienced yet is clearing blockages. I mean like a wall coming down or anything extraordinary you can feel. Does this mean A) I have few blockaes or B) I am not working hard enough or my blockages are stubborn? [:D]
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Ah, Thanks again Kalonek for a great answer.
Lol you're welcome [;)]
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One last question tho, I've been doing this 1-2 hours a day now. When I start to think about any body part I feel tingling almost instantly and when I have focused on that bodypart for some time it starts to get warm. But one thing I haven't experienced yet is clearing blockages. I mean like a wall coming down or anything extraordinary you can feel. Does this mean A) I have few blockaes or B) I am not working hard enough or my blockages are stubborn? [:D]
The light tingling is normal when you focus on a body part, it means that you're doing it well and you consciousness is focused on your energy body and not the physical one anymore (though you can still feel it of course). The warmth is one of many sensations of the energy into your body, especially if you make it move in big quantities it can be very, very warm. About blockages, there clean themselves when you do your enegy work, and it's not because you don't feel them that tere aren't there. But most of the time it's a zone where you can't manage to move your consciouness (a typical blocked zone for many people from my experience is above the heart line in the spine). To see if you have a blockage, just try to move your consciousness into the zone and through it. If it does not feel like on the rest of the body, then the zone might be a little or totally blocked. Just do daily energy work on it and it will vanish naturally.
Okay [:)]
At the moment i'm only working my feet, knees and hands. Are there any other parts I should work on? I'll try that spine thing soon. Btw, You can do energywork while at school or watching tv? I tried it today in school and it went fine listening to the boring chemistry teacher and feeling energy in my hands and feet.
Now i'm out of questions [:P]
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Okay [:)]
At the moment i'm only working my feet, knees and hands. Are there any other parts I should work on? I'll try that spine thing soon. Btw, You can do energywork while at school or watching tv? I tried it today in school and it went fine listening to the boring chemistry teacher and feeling energy in my hands and feet.
Now i'm out of questions [:P]
As i said, follow your intuition :) For the moment, feet and hands is the most important, for weell-developped palm charas speed the whole development of your energy body afterwards. And yes you can do it wherever you want. Especially at school fr you, if you're bored, don't lose your time and do some energy work [;)] I did it a lot when i was in high school and still do it at university (although less often).Take any time you rest to work with energy, especially on your legs here as there are relaxed when you're sitted.
I am back. So i've been doing mostly leg work all this time.. Sometimes on the hands. I've tried focusing on the spine but it's really freaky moving your awareness there, my eyes want to move there too and I do not get any feeling there..
Sometimes when I lie in bed and my feet are cold I just focus on them and after a minute or two they get warm, so that's nice :) Do you guys have any advice on what I should do? Or should I change anything? I don't want to be doing something that's not neccessary. But I think this is? My main question is then.. What parts should I focus the most on? Legs, Knees, Hands.. Is there anything else now that I'm warming my energy body up.
And btw, I haven't noticed that much changing in my life or body now that i've done energy. Is something supposed to happen? And one more question! [8D]. Has anyone had stomach problems and then started energy work and fixed the stomach problems? Because I have a bit of that and the doctors don't know what it is. It might be stress but I don't really stress (i'm in school), but It could be my subconscious that is stressing and i'm not conscious about it?
Woah, This turned out to be a book. I hope someone answers all these ramblings [:D]
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My main question is then.. What parts should I focus the most on? Legs, Knees, Hands..
You're doing fine, just continue your normal training and you'll become an expert in NEW in a few months :) Try to develop your whole legs and arms, including hands and feet. It'll be more easy for the rest afterwards.
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And btw, I haven't noticed that much changing in my life or body now that i've done energy. Is something supposed to happen?
Lol that's normal, you've only been doing it for a month, even a little less. It takes about a year to see the really big changes. But your energy body is nevertheless transformed little by little, it's stronger now, and you'll soon see that your body is too. Don't give up the training and it'll pay, that's for sure.
For your stomach problem, it can help indeed, but if it's a subconscious stress, you should deal with it for the energy will only lower the physical bad effects, not cure your mental.
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http://www.astralpulse.com/guides/new/new.htm
Eventhough it is quite obvious fror the majority of the members, it appears that many of them still don't know about the site itself yet ...
I'd suggest that a moderator could put the address to the NEW guide as a sticky ...
A very nice and interesting thread... exactly the one I was looking for [:)] so let's bring it up again so others may see it also. The perfect thread to ask your NEW questions [:D]
I also just started with the NEW guide. Didn't really get any results yet but I'm quite confident that will come. The only 'barrier' is the fact that it takes so long before you get any 'results'... talking about a -year- to get 'real' differences to your self, or even 6 months before you're good at the 'energy directing' - the very first thing to learn... That is not so stimulating, because I of course want to see results, because results would be stimulating, pushing me to go on with the whole thing.
I want to learn it all, everything, but I don't think I can afford more than half an hour a day for that - during a whole year [:O]..
Whatever, let's do some more exercises now.. [|)]
Sygmoral
By the way, I wonder,
what do you guys think: if I exercise 1 hour a day for two months long, will I then get about the same results as exercising half an hour a day for four months? ..
Also: which is better - exercising once a day for a long (like an hour) period, or exercising several times a day for a shorter while (like 15 minutes 4 times a day)?
Sygmoral
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what do you guys think: if I exercise 1 hour a day for two months long, will I then get about the same results as exercising half an hour a day for four months? ..
Also: which is better - exercising once a day for a long (like an hour) period, or exercising several times a day for a shorter while (like 15 minutes 4 times a day)?
Hi Sygmoral ! Well first don't worry, if you're motivated a minimum, you'll feel things quickly. It took me no more than 2 sessions to start feeling energy and awareness point etc. 1 year is what might be needed to become good at it. But fortunately you get results before ! [:P] I would have stopped it a long time ago otherwise (nearly 2 years of daily training) So just do it a few minutes every day, before sleeping is better at first (you'll get quick results).
About the quote, well the best is to do it 30 minutes/day for the first month and then 1h/day for the rest of your life [;)] (or more than an hour, i did a 7h session one day) Always start gently, and then when you'll feel more confident about the feelings, when you'll feel the sensations are stabilizing, do it more. Doing to much at the very beginning is not very recommanded. And follow Bruce's indications, there are very useful (don't start with primary chakras ! But with palm chakras and leg and arm work for at least 2-3 months).
Heya,
I've been doing the energy stuff mostly in my legs now. Didn't do it that consistently, altough I did it pretty much a few minutes before I fell asleep. My feet would always be cold so I made them warm :)
Anyway, I have began the Two-Part Circuit since it feels the most comfortable at the time. Where you on for example your breath IN you raise energy from bottom of the feet to your navel and then on your OUT breath you do it from the hands/arms. This is correct right?
My main question is.. How is it supposed to feel in the stomach? Because I am not getting the same sensations as I get in my arms/legs, or feet/hands. When Robert Bruce says "Stomach Wind".. Is that a more nice word for "gas"? [:P] Because I am feeling something in my stomach now after my 30 Minutes session from drawing energy from legs and arms to my navel chakra. Tell me if i'm doing something wrong, or is everything where it should be?
This was my first session with drawing to the navel so I dunno if I should expect anything.. Just wondering how it feels in the beginning [:)]
As far as I can tell, you are doing everything correctly. For me it usually takes much longer to get "the feeling" in the subnavel storage center than in the legs and arms - about half an hour of energy raising. The "stomach wind" ... yes, that feels like gas, like if you have eaten too much onions or garlic :-) There are also some other feelings I encounter while raising energy: the first is a throbbing sensation in the subnavel area (sometimes I even feel it physically throbbing when I touch the skin). The other is the energy flow continuing on its own after I stop the sweeping action. This are no longer distinct sweeps, but a continual flow of energy, which lasts for about a minute after I have stopped the sweeping. Then I only have to do a few sweeps to start it again, which is very useful for longer sessions.
Thanks for the answer!
I have one question.. I hear people using brushing and sweeping the energy. Is it O.K if I use my own kind of method(don't know if this has been mentioned in the book). I use my awareness to move the energy. For example if I am concentrating on my feet I start to "think" that I move the energy and I follow the energy through my legs and into my navel center. And while in the navel center I focus on it for 1-2 seconds and go back to my feet or to my hands. Does this sound O.K? Or do I have to use a sweeping/brushing action? [:)]
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Thanks for the answer!
I have one question.. I hear people using brushing and sweeping the energy. Is it O.K if I use my own kind of method(don't know if this has been mentioned in the book). I use my awareness to move the energy. For example if I am concentrating on my feet I start to "think" that I move the energy and I follow the energy through my legs and into my navel center. And while in the navel center I focus on it for 1-2 seconds and go back to my feet or to my hands. Does this sound O.K? Or do I have to use a sweeping/brushing action? [:)]
What you describe is a lot like what I do. Seems to work great for me. I do that while watching the tube after work and it takes only about 10 minutes before I start to feel the accumulation of energy in my subnaval area. Feels like I need to pee or something.
After I really get a momentum going I can just center my awareness on my abdomen and hold a vacuum-like sensation. Then the energy streams in from both hands and feet and capacity fills very quickly.
It's like you boil down the action into something as simple as sucking koolaid up a straw and into your mouth.....you have no thought for the discreet actions involved.
Thanks Boydster.
Let me get one thing clear though. I shouldn't start working on my primary centers yet, right? First work on drawing energy from arms and legs to the navel for about 3-6 months and then steadily and carefully start looking at the primary centers, heart, brow etc?
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Thanks Boydster.
Let me get one thing clear though. I shouldn't start working on my primary centers yet, right? First work on drawing energy from arms and legs to the navel for about 3-6 months and then steadily and carefully start looking at the primary centers, heart, brow etc?
I would tend to agree with that as being a good idea.
I think the point of this is twofold:
1. The secondary circuit supports and nourishes the primary circuit. It's good to clear out the cobwebs there and to build a healthy more "high delivery rate" system first before going after the main chakras.
2. You are also honing your faculty of concentration, attention and control of bodily functions. I've heard from people who rushed into chakra work and got themselves into weeks-long headaches and other problems, simply because they never bothered to learn to control the flow of energy in their body with the force of their will. Discipline is a great asset here.
After that, I'd probably tend to encourage you to work first with the heart and upper chakras a little more than those lower than the heart. I think there tends to be more effluvia in the lower chakras and the nature of it is sticky, difficult to control, lower-desire type stuff. I'd go slow with the lower chakras. But cleaning them out is definitely a good idea. Just pace yourself a little slower with them.
Good luck!!
Does anybody know what will happen once the sub-brow storage center is full.
What is the significance of "wrapping" things? TO me, it would mean trying to bind the energy so that it doesn't escape or seep out from places like the big toe? Can someone please clarify or correct me please? thanks.
Thanks again Boydster.
I have a few more questions. When i'm doing my Two-Part circuit I notice I have trouble drawing energy from my hands and leading it down to my navel area? Is this going to be a problem, Should I do anything about this?
Another thing, when i'm trying to project (never succeeded yet but coming closer) I always start to feel energy rush mainly in my chest area but I tend to get "sexually aroused" too, what is this? Is it anything to worry about?
Hmm..no one with answers seems to visit this topic very often.
I'm new to NEW and everytime I do work on my feet and legs, I invariably become very tired and sometimes end up falling asleep or something (either that or in a deep meditative state type thing). Is this normal for beginning? It's annoying to "wake up" and have to begin again though now I just tend to start where I left off.
also, is it possible that while one side seems to like the stirring in one direction, the other half likes it in the other (opposite to the other side)? thanks
Hello everyone,
I have just started trying to use the NEW system, mostly on my hands. And I "think" im doing it right but im not sure. When im relaxed I can easily get both my hands to tingle and sometimes feel heavy just by thinking of them. Then i try to single out fingers, ect so i can "follow" the energy path with my mind. I guess there is no real way consise way to tell if im actaully doing it though. I am suprised to hear how much practice is needed though.
I downloaded that free hemi-sync mp3 that is suppose to help you into trance state - will that help me out at all with energy devolopment?
btw, is it okay if I only draw energy from my legs to my navel, or do I have to get it from hands too? There seems to be no effect from the hands, and a huge effect from the legs. [^]
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btw, is it okay if I only draw energy from my legs to my navel, or do I have to get it from hands too? There seems to be no effect from the hands, and a huge effect from the legs. [^]
Hi bluejay! Exellent thread [:D]
It is no problem if you draw energy from your legs to your navel, but it might be better if you take it from you feet to keep the feet fully active. Raising energy both from hands and feet and storing it in your sub-navel storage center are well explained in an exercise that Robert has named "The full-body circuit" and is a relly good exercise becouse you moving energy through your whole body and storing it at the same time.
Keep going [;)]
Hey wh1z3_azz [:D]
I've read the section in Astral Dynamics several times, the thing i'm having problems with is not getting energy sensations in my hands (that is easy). It is the problem of transporting the energy from my hands, up my arms and through my chest into my navel area.
I'd also like to ask a question again (my exams are over so I can start trying to put some more time into this)...
Actually I decided I'm not moving on at all. So I'd like to hear the VERY FIRST STEP... I did read the NEW guide - not to the end though, only the beginning, because I figured I should only move on when I'm able to do the 'basic stuff'.
I mostly try to just 'feel' my right knee. So I try to imagine.. a feeling there, and hope it will become 'real'. Sometimes it seems like it's "becoming real" but it's -so- faint that it may as well have been there without my concentration... I often feel just the same thing in my left knee although I'm not concentrating there. I've never felt something 'real good'. Only "something" after a minute. I also tried feet, toes, etc, but mostly try 'right knee'.
I seem to have one place where it's very easy for me to stimulate however: between and a little above my eyes, I suppose that's my 'third chakra". I only need to close my eyes and think of that area for one second, and I start feeling.. something there. Like a tickling from the inside or something.
And that's really the only place I can find.. [:(] although I've often tried, mostly for 10-25 minutes. I've had about 15 of those small 'sessions', but perhaps they are too short to make any difference, I dunno.
So.. I decided to just start over again.
What should be my very first step? Is there a certain area that is sensitive for everybody? Perhaps I can start there to gain confidence.
Is it normal by the way that the third chakra is so easy to feel?
thanks a lot
Sygmoral
Sygmoral, The thing I did to get started with this was to take your palm (either hand) and with the other hand start doing a circular motion on the palm and close your eyes, try to really feel that motion. This "woke" the energy up for me and I started getting sensations. When I knew how to focus I could get energy sensations where I wanted (having problems with spine tho [:P]). If you haven't tried that I recommend it, it worked for me.
Hello,
I've been trying the N.E.W system. But nothing seems to happen? I've tried the circular motion on my thumb-joint, on both left and right sides. Doing it for several minutes and trying to move my awareness to my thumb, I don't feel anything.
Any advice?
Cheers [^]