disruption in enwergy body due to intoxicating substances?

[Fourthdimension]

Hi

I dont drink much now i have quit heavy drinking for more than a year (apart from the bottles i decided to buy now lol I decided to treat myself ) anyhow.......I have also quit cannabis and amphetimines however when i use to be high or drunk and attempt energy work i would feel like they disturb or disrupt my energy techniques and energy body?

Does intoxiacating substances disrupt or disturb the energy blody or techniques used?

[Szaxx]

Hi,
Id say they do, after all they affect your body and your mind.

[personalreality]

There are people who will say that using intoxicating substances opens you up to something like "astral possession".  Some believe that "low level" astral entities can more easily attach to your energy body and feed off of you when you're under the influence of drugs and alcohol.  

At the very least, some people believe that intoxication inhibits the flow and proper functioning of your energy body system.  

I don't believe any of that nonsense.  I will say that an unhealthy body strains the energy body by requiring that it allocate what reserves it doe have to parts of the body that aren't aligned with whatever "health" means in that body (of course, the human body is the same in general - but in truth each one of us has a unique body, made from a combination of our unique physical genes, our unique nonphysical memes and our individual consciousness/soul/spirit/self).  So while I couldn't say specifically how that might manifest in any one body, it does happen, and we all know how habitual use of intoxicating substances often creates unhealthy situations that prevents the energy flows in the body from being used in the way they were designed.  In that way then, yes, I would say there is a disruption.

Now, since we've gotten the public health disclaimer out of the way, I have to take the old Carlos Castaneda "Assemblage Point" perspective and say that intoxicating substances doesn't inherently disrupt the energy body.  Those substances move the assemblage point (perceptual filter) and cause energy to flow in a different way.  it may seem disruptive because it feels different, but different is only disruptive if you allow it to be.  It may be a little awkward at first, out of the sheer novelty of the experience, but not negatively disruptive.  

I think that such states are often misunderstood as disruptive to people because they have spent so much time learning to feel the movement of their energy through one particular paradigm of thought, often to the exclusion of others.  To illustrate my point, say that you've been using energy body training techniques with astral projection as a goal, maybe Robert Bruce's NEW Energy Ways or something like that.  So you get used to working with energy and the sensations that accompany your exercises.  Then one day, you decide to start working exclusively with crystals instead.  It's the same energy that's being manipulated, but it's being done through different ways and so the effects are different and could even feel disruptive at first.

Intoxicating substances are much the same way.  However, because they are from such a different realm of experience as compared to traditional energy work, their effects may often be viewed as disruptive because we've be trained to experience energy in such a different way.

So, I say no, intoxicating substances do not disturb the energy body, unless they are used in a way that is unhealthy to the physical body.  Just be open minded to the experience and REALLY contemplate the effects on how you perceive your energy moving, not how your physical body feels necessarily.  

Sorry if that was confusing.  It makes sense though if you consider my words.  

[Contenteo]

In my mind, the model is a like layers of a really large cake.

As you Disconnect, you essential remove layers of this cake one by one, F3, F10, F12, etc. This process can also be looked at as Focusing deeper. Either way.

Substances(alcohol, drugs, et al.) scrape off layers of this metaphoric cake in an uneven way so you essentially are going deeper without fully removing each layer.

In the case of hallucinogens, one would be experiencing information from the physical and the astral at the same time. The brain/consciousness trys to make sense of these conflicting information streams and your reality manifests thusly.

If you want to call this the energy body, go ahead, but IMO, its the same thing, and is better understood in that light.

Cheers,
Contenteo

[Fourthdimension]

I think your both right I think it does make skip layers but only because we arent use to it and because of that we cant control it .

@PR - I use to think that it made my energy body function in a different way but because of this I thought my energy body was malfunctioning but now from what you wrote I think maybe it wasnt malfunctioning just functioning in a different way I didnt understand or have knowledge of

I like meditating when I have some amphetimines. I quit them now but when I did take them if my mind could it to negative thought patterns or if i had been up for 3 days and my body was been unsteady and cardio going doing bad I would just sit and meditate and it feels good plus I guess with amphetimines I dont have to worry about'clicking out' during meditation haha.

Cannabis- I think its a good substance other than making one lerthargic (I quit that too lol) and I think the energy sensations are amplified but it becomes harder to remember dreams and stop oneself from clicking out during meditations.

Theres many more substances I have oppinions but I just wanna mention alcohol. It does give vivd dreams but remembering them is hard and disorientation and this is the substance I felt really made my energy body go haywire and act all different.

cheers for your replies

[sanjayrao1010 on twitter]

Hi all
         I saw the arguments of those for intoxicating substances , and i have a friend who is forever on grass and believes he is self realized.

The answer is simple , Please see the video of His holiness the dalai lama in the university of California, Titled , The nature of the mind.

His one line answer is simple. all meditation is aimed at removing illusions of life and of the mind. even in a sober state, All intoxicants and drugs , bring about greater illusions, so its self explanatory why these are banned for the serious practitioner.

In a simple summary, all these comments of peeling off layers etc is just completely wrong fantasies.

its just a greater level of delusion

I have seen my friends soaked in week living in fantasy land with imagined chemical laden color bursts in the brain attributed to spiritual visions. I have seen them loose complete touch with reality, I have seen them grow an "i" or ego out of proportion with even ordinary people, and then because they imagine all the hallucinations to be real, They are immune to good advice over time

Get off it....its just chemical induced funny stuff

Chemicals are used by lazy people , who want to avoid the sweat of daily hard realistic practice

If someone feels this advise is wrong...............deal with the Dalai Lama the big boss of all Tibetan Buddhism

and all the supreme achieved hindu yogis in the himalayas

Sorry, I dont mean to be rude, just concerned after i saw a few friends of mine go off the rails

[Made O pHI]

I believe if you have a strong enough mind these substances (marijuana and ecstasy to be exact) may actually open you up to the greater reality and help you learn. But only if you can decipher the truthful thoughts from the distorted thoughts. But even so, the truthful thoughts may be distorted in some way so like I said you just have to be strong minded and not fully believe anything you think while under the influence. Just take what you think into consideration until you experience or are lead into more knowledge from your HS. I think ecstasy actually does a lot more though because I've actually learned a lot while I was on E, but at the same time it's sent me into a lot of confusion but my HS always sorts things out for me and I only realize I've learned from it.

But with all things, I think there comes a time when you learn enough and these substances will no longer benefit you and should stopped being used.

As The Bible says, "All things are good, if taken in moderation".

[Szaxx]

Hi,
Another way of interpretating the dali lamas comment in western terms,
If you want the driving seat then learn to drive.
If you want to end up in a ravine then let someone crazy drive you.
It's a no-brainer..
No excuses.

[Lionheart]

 Here is an excellent explanation why you should not use drugs to access the  "Larger Reality". The part you want to hear starts at the 24 minute mark and goes for about 5 minutes.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU7jEMMMvhI

[personalreality]

Here is an excellent explanation why you should not use drugs to access the  "Larger Reality". The part you want to hear starts at the 24 minute mark and goes for about 5 minutes.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU7jEMMMvhI

I 100% agree that drugs shouldn't be used to access the "Larger Reality" unless you're already very adept at accessing that reality naturally or you're under the tutelage of a trained shaman who has done it all their lives and can instruct and guide you. 

But as for disrupting the energy body in and of itself, I don't know that drugs necessarily cause problems in moderation. 

Just acknowledging the difference between Lion's statement and fourthdimension's post, because they are addressing different concerns.