NEW's initial ignoring of Chakras

[You]

I've been doing some reading and some thinking... and it seems to me that even just reading about chakras seems to influence them. Heck, even if you don't know which is which, in a way chakras are just conceptual tools, and the thoughts end up there anyway.

By thinking about them, or being naturally sensitive to emotions, I believe chakra work is done. Many people who come to NEW, I have a feeling are slightly imbalanced or outcasts (I know I fit both bills). Such feelings drive one desperately to seek answers and experimentation with themselves. As such, that would imply some kind of chakric imbalances, that should perhaps be fixed through simple neutral awareness of positive and negative chakral feelings.

I think that these should preclude one's concentration on the secondary and tertiary circuits. Better yet, work alongside one. If one's emotions are distracting them from NEW, it can be difficult to begin working with them, as one might get sad/angry/delusionally happy about any possible results, which would get in the way of performing an impartial analysis on the results.

As far as I can tell, NEW seems to advise rest until one can work, to wait until the person has enough energy to work again. This would work eventually, but it might interfere with their life a bit, and even more blockages might be caused. If what I've read about chakras is right, I have a LOT of big blocks, mainly in the lower three.

I realize putting off chakra work is a good general standpoint for Robert Bruce to have, as it stops people from getting obsessed with working them to change their emotions, but if the work is slow and minor, I think it could still work better than ignoring them totally until you've done enough NEW lessons. While it may take more energy to do so, the boost after dealing with the problems might work better. I guess it depends on how along you are, and your natural tendencies.

I might post this in Q&A later, but I'm still waiting for a response to a prior topic. Until then, hopefully people can discuss this here.

[boydster]

It was kind of hard for me to drill in to what your point is but I think you're saying that you believe some people would be better off working on the primary circuit (chakras) first before developing the energy gathering circuit. And your reason is that some people have "imbalances" or feel like "outcasts"?

Many people who come to NEW, I have a feeling are slightly imbalanced or outcasts (I know I fit both bills). Such feelings drive one desperately to seek answers and experimentation with themselves. As such, that would imply some kind of chakric imbalances, that should perhaps be fixed through simple neutral awareness of positive and negative chakral feelings.

I think you're right about energy flowing to where our attention is--such as the site of a chakra. And you're right about this being a kind of chakra clearing/developing activity. I'm just not real clear on what kind of symptoms you're trying to alleviate here by working the primary circuit first.

I could be wrong, but it sounds like you may be describing psychological pain from unpleasant past experiences which obviously do drive some of us to seek answers. It just doesn't seem to me that it is a logical conclusion that the effluvia from such emotional scars live in or around chakras. Some does--yes. But I think most of it exists as chunks of congealed emotional stuff which floats around in our astral bodies and haunts us until it is transmuted. And I personally think that it's better to transmute as much of these congealed emotional records from our auras as possible BEFORE developing more sensitivity in the chakras. Otherwise you could find yourself becoming much more acutely aware of these records and fall into states of prolonged depression due to the feeling of being unable to "turn off the painful movies" so to speak.

I may be totally off base here--maybe I didn't understand your point. But going straight into chakra clearing/developing without any general clearing/transmution of the astral records in the aura can really be a nightmare. I think an analog to this might be a bad LSD trip--one where a person with, shall we say subsurface issues, has his or her astral senses tremendously widened to the point where they are surfeited in the issue--unable to escape. I've seen examples of this myself--the only difference here being that LSD wears off in a day or so, unlike chakras which have been opened and sensitized.

Flooding the aura with prana or, better yet, violet or pink spiritual fire, will gently and gradually transmute & wash away these records. And it works on the effluvia surrounding the chakras at the same time.

[You]

What I'm saying is that emotional unbalances may make NEW hard to find consistent motivation0 in, free of emotional distractions. I thought some light chakra work could help if done alongside NEW whenever such instances occur.

What you're suggesting is rather than focusing on a specific chakra, to just do a general wipe of spiritual pink fire? I have read something about this in a kundalini yoga book... so in essence, a general sense of wellbeing and purification to alleviate minor things?

[boydster]

What I'm saying is that emotional unbalances may make NEW hard to find consistent motivation0 in, free of emotional distractions. I thought some light chakra work could help if done alongside NEW whenever such instances occur.

What you're suggesting is rather than focusing on a specific chakra, to just do a general wipe of spiritual pink fire? I have read something about this in a kundalini yoga book... so in essence, a general sense of wellbeing and purification to alleviate minor things?

Here is a good visualization of what it might look like:



You could accompany this visualization with a mantra like:

"I am forgiveness--consuming and transmuting all pain and sorrow back to light and perfect love..." something like that. Make up your own if you want.

While saying the mantra be sure to visualize and feel the flame passing through and around you. It takes a little practice to be able to attract and amplify the quantity sufficient for you to tangibly feel the flame. But it is definitely real--it's just that it's a frequency of energy which is much higher in the spectrum than we're accustomed to dealing with.

I think you should definitely experiment with whatever your higher self might be hinting for you. And that includes doing things in whatever order you want. Just watch and adjust things if you notice pain or emotional problems crop up which begin to screw up your life.

I have to say that the violet/pink flame bath which I describe above should not be underestimated. Ideally you'd want to start out with just a few minutes a day. But gradually build on this until you are able to concentrate intensely on this action for 15-30 minutes and literally feel the action in your physical body. My axiom has always been to do things until I can at least feel or see the action happening.

[You]

Love is great... but what of pride? Sometimes one can depend too fully on being saved, when one's real dream is to be the one who saves.

One thing I dislike about this book on Kundalini Yoga... is that it calls out to god and heaven. It says you don't need to be religious... but that's a large part of things that are eliminated, things they say are essential, if you are.

[boydster]

I've had enormous success by calling out to God and Heaven....just my point of view.

[You]

Perhaps, but have you tried it without doing it, and sure that it's not just a psychological reliance on it rather than a real energy source?

What made you call out anyway, and even if it is real, if it's the Christian god I'd rather not call out anyway, I dislike the methods of judgment that religion uses.

[boydster]

I choose to see religion and spirituality as two separate things. I don't rely on churches or dogma or being part of a group belief system at all--I deal with forces and personalities which I can see and interact with. And so, even though I don't attend any church, I not only believe in angels, I interact with them a lot. They are not just an academic concept to me.

I see angels (literally) as extensions of the will of a higher consciousness, call it God or whatever. And I don't see Christian Gods and Hindu Gods or any conception of God as being separate or different--they are just different names and descriptions for the same phenomenon. Religions don't own God; and they (the men who run religions) don't set the rules either....

As for why did I call out....well, we all get in jams at times and find ourselves outmatched by something in our lives. Especially in our younger years we all tend to blindly go into situations which we end up regretting once in a while. And sometimes it's just the better part of wisdom to ask for help, get out of the jam quickly and inexpensively and learn from it. This is rather than suffer, suffer and suffer just because we are too proud to ask for help. Life is too short.

Of course, after learning to work with angels for a while it becomes plain that there is more good that can be done than just saving ones own butt. It's possible to ask them to go help other people as well.

I don't know if this is helpful. But this is what has worked for me for the last 20 years or so.

[You]

Oh okay then, so basically you're just applying religious terminology to something that isn't, that's fine. You don't go by any bibles then right?

[boydster]

I don't think there is anything wrong with reading  it--I think there is a lot of hidden wisdom in the bible.

The problem with the bible is all the translating that it's gone through. And the main problem I see with organized religion is all the creative "interpretation" of the passages in the bible. I think the fundamentalist christians, in particular, have the facts pretty screwed up with their literal explanation of things. I happen to believe that there is a lot of alegory within the content which escapes some people.

I don't really read the bible much myself. I get a more concentrated version of the truth with Theosophy, Hermeticism and similar publications. It gets right to the point.

[You]

I don't see why everyone assumes the original bible was good just because there were a couple mistranslations. Maybe the translations made it better than it was originally.

Hidden wisdom? Like what, death to anyone who defies god? Steal vegetables if you're hungry on a holiday? Break up families? Yeah... okay.

Honestly, all the 'hidden wisdom' of the bible are basics like don't steal and don't kill that you don't need religion at all to know.

[afgan123]

Very Interesting discussion!

In my personal view I agree with boydster when he says "religion and Spirituality" are two different things! my perspective is Religion is a more generalized method leading to the same goal as spirituality does. Spirituality on the other hand is more direct and and picked up naturally by people who have evolved better in the karmic cycle. So the goal is the same the routes are different and depending on ones development in the entire cycle and karmas we choose a path!

Sumeet

[You]

Oy, I just realized how much this has branched off topic! Maybe something like this can be discussed in the right forum :p I tend to ramble on about that stuff, but it's not entirely related to energy bodies.

[boydster]

Oy, I just realized how much this has branched off topic! Maybe something like this can be discussed in the right forum :p I tend to ramble on about that stuff, but it's not entirely related to energy bodies.

Actually, it's pretty typical here; nobody minds. If people are nice to each other and the topic wanders a little, who loses?

[karnautrahl]

Hmm I can't comment on the spirituality stuff-it's way way over my head .

but on the NEW energy work that's another matter to a small degree at least. Talking from experiences so far-it doesn't take long to develope the secondary energy body really once you put your mind into it. In the long run it's gotta be a little more solid as the chakra is likely to ask more of your energy system as a whole.

Put it another way, I left chakra work until the workshop in the end. And I'm glad I did as the secondary training i'd already done made getting into the primary centres fairly easy. Basically I can now utilise working on them as a routine no problem.

Admittedly I don't have any visions, OBE's or anything really mystical happening. But I do have a solid tactile feedback of energy with each move I make. And I sense all of the chakras to some degree and the end of the practice leaves me very settled indeed.
One note. Healing heart method that Mr Bruce relates caused me a lot of sudden emotional release. Just a passing thought.

Gaining a solid flexible energy infrastructure will speed up and facilitate all the primary center workings I would have thought.