old soul chakras

[Eol007]

Hi Adam,

quote:the old soul theory is when someone or something dies and there spirits start to go to heaven or hell it gets lost on the way and joins a newborns soul. I am a old soul. I was wondering if chakras can stay open from one life to another?
I doubt mine are but Im working on it

Not sure if you are simply making tongue in cheek comments here, but that is one of the strangest spins (pardon the pun) on reincarnation and chakra theory I've heard as yet! Do you mind me asking what your source material on that was?

Regards,


Stephen []

[Anonymous]

Greetings stephen
          I dont quite know where I learned about the old soul theory its like I always knew it.
I also believe in something called a collective soul.
Thats where when a soul is being created instead of having all of its own unique patterens it also takes a bit of energy from other souls.
I would enjoy speaking with you about this via IM but the posts are fine.
                                                Sincerely
                                               Adam

[Anonymous]

srry wasnt finished[8D]
I probably got it from a book when I raid the library[]
I like to thimk a lot also so I could of created it and thought it was real. I asure you Im not making tongue in cheek comments.
P.S thanks for the compliment
Quote
but that is one of the strangest spins (pardon the pun) on reincarnation and chakra theory I've heard as yet!

[Tayesin]

Hi Burningriver,
The Chakra you had in a previous body will not be with you now.  You will have the chakra you established with this body when you first joined it.

Really, there isn't such a thing as old and new souls !  Many people will disagree with that because most belief-systems say it has to be that way.  

While it is true that some beings were created during the early dissemination of the Creative Awareness/Force, the majority of Earth Incarnated Souls are really very ancient and none are New Souls, only new to this Earth existence.

Let's use this illustration to explain.....

The great and ancient Soul you are, has just finished a series of incarnations on a world, so you have Ascended from that physical nature and are now ready to have more experiences in other world-systems.  

You then volunteered to come to the Earth-experience world when it was ready to provide experiences for Souls.  After making certain arrangements and contracts with other Souls here through the facilities of the Akasha, you reach out and implant/incarnate into the first of many human bodies you will inhabit during the thousands of Lives you will have here.

So the very ancient Soul you are has seemingly become a new soul on this Earth.  When in reality you are the ancient, old soul you have been for the longest time.  And that is where the duality of our existence seems to confuse most people.  

But hay, what can we expect from humans who are still stuck in blindness, we only see Duality because we have not awakened our memories of our real nature.  So our perceptions stay at this confined level until we can open ourselves up to re-experience the Soul that we are.  Then we slowly begin to remember that we are not little souls, old or new, and that we have been living in the smallest of perception levels.

I hope that some of this is helpful to answering your questions.

Love Always. []

[Eol007]

quote:Originally posted by Burningriver

srry wasnt finished[8D]
I probably got it from a book when I raid the library[]
I like to thimk a lot also so I could of created it and thought it was real. I asure you Im not making tongue in cheek comments.
P.S thanks for the compliment
Quote
but that is one of the strangest spins (pardon the pun) on reincarnation and chakra theory I've heard as yet!

Pardon not getting back to you right away... will add some more later.

S []

[Anonymous]

If the soul is energy and chakras are energy it would most likely carry on to the next soul.were it caries on the progress.I do believe that there are new souls I personally think that while old souls continue on again some stay in heaven.and new souls are created instead of the old ones.therefore I highly disagree with you Tayesin.
I also believe that chakras are open in newborns and that in the wrong environment they will close again.

[Tayesin]

Hi Burningriver,
Yes a Soul is energy. Chakra are the energy centres that operate the physical body only.  Each incarnation you establish new subtle energy bodies, therefore you cannot carry over chakra used in a previous incarnation.

Yes, chakra are open in babies.  It is a very rare thing for anyone's chakra to be closed completely. So if you hear of teachers who close their students chakra, you will know to keep well away from that type of control mechanism.

It's okay to disagree here Burning, that's what the forums are for, to read, to share from experience and hopefully come to understand that all of our experiences are controlled by our Beliefs.  

Unfortunately, our beliefs about things will prevent us from experiencing anything outside of those beliefs, so our growth and understanding will be limited due to this.

If you can experience without clinging to beliefs then you will be open to the higher awareness levels, your own memories at the Soul level and beyond.

My perceptions are based on more than 20 years astral and higher journeying, and I was taught when I first started to go as if naked, meaning to have no concepts of what must be and what I should experience. No beliefs to hold you back !

Thanks for your reply, and I hope you find the answers you are looking for.  Perhaps experiencing your higher awareness levels will alter your perception on your Beliefs.

Love Always. []

[Rastus]

Perhaps by "Old Soul" you mean someone that has alredy made many trips on earth?  As opposed to thier 'first' trip (remember that time is a construct of the physical world, but not the spiritual/energy world).

Besides, any energy imbalances are corrected before you incarnate.

[Anonymous]

I appreciate the replies and posts youve all contributed.
I beleive an old soul (now seeing the mistakes Ive made) as someone who remembers a little knowledge or memories from their past life.Further I never knew that the energy imbalances are corrected before reincarnation Thank you for that.
Ok my new question
If the chakras are energy centers and our soul is energy(like Ive said again and again)(rolling eyes)And the chakras are open in babies and they close in the wrong enviroment.
Whats the right Enviroment?
How can parents keep it open?
And my age on the profile may not be right my brother came over yesterday and I told him about the forum and he went on so I appologize if it isint Im going to check it.
I thank all of you for contributing to my theory and maybe after I get all my facts straight Ill figure out A modified version of this theory. thankee-sai
Sincerely
Adam Grazewski

[Eol007]

Hi,

Better late than never.. I know I'm whittering on again about this one, but do read Journey of Souls or Destiny of Souls by Michael Newton. It might fill in some gaps for you! The chapter on Spiritual Energy Restoration between lives is intriguing. I have memory of something similar following a NDE like experience over 20's years ago. I'll sneak off  quietly now on tip toes... []

Cheers,

S []

[Anonymous]

Will do stephen
I am very intrigued by these kinds of things that astral pulse talks about. thats why I signed up.(obvious) I do believe I will continue perfecting this theory if not change all of it.
I appreciate all posts that could help and I especially apreciate the posts of silver members and up considering they have quite a bit of experiance. Is experiance spelt right?
Well Thankee-sais
Sincerely
Adam grazewski

[Eol007]

quote:Originally posted by Burningriver

Will do stephen
I am very intrigued by these kinds of things that astral pulse talks about. thats why I signed up.(obvious) I do believe I will continue perfecting this theory if not change all of it.
I appreciate all posts that could help and I especially apreciate the posts of silver members and up considering they have quite a bit of experiance. Is experiance spelt right?
Well Thankee-sais
Sincerely
Adam grazewski

Hi Adam,

Well just having a gold star does not make me any sort of expert. I'm just as much a learner on the Journey as anyone else here! Although I have had a few experiences and found comparing my own to the ones shared by the good forum users here to be of great value. I suppose we all attempt to build a mind map of our little parts of reality – so good luck on perfecting your theories in turn.

Hope you are enjoy your visits here as much as I do!


Stephen

[Anonymous]

Thank you stephen
I do know that the gold star doesnt make you and expert but its always good to have info from everyone.
Everyone Please check out a topic I posted
Spirits that need help
and
poetry that enhances spiratualism
Thank you everyone.
Sincerely
Adam Grazewski

[HigherSelf]

"but do read Journey of Souls or Destiny of Souls by Michael Newton."

I do so agree...  Wonderful books, indeed.

I've just ordered his newest title:

"Life Between Lives: Hypnotherapy for Spiritual Regression"

[Tayesin]

Hi All,
Journey of Souls is an excellent book for giving us an open look into the happenings of incarnations here.  

While I haven't read the one about lives between lives, I am excited by the prospect of more people coming to understand that we can and do choose other existences on other worlds while we are processing towards another life here.  Yes, we really are great souls choosing to be here !!!

LOL @ the number of stars, in a nice way !!!  I haven't been here that long, just over a year, and seen some newbies post like crazy and get to Gold and Premier member quickly.  We had one or two interesting members doing it last year, one who reached Gold membership status in less than two weeks !!!!  So yeah, stars don't account for much except the number of posts you've had.[]

Burningriver,
Your questions of, what is the right environment? and how can parents keep the chakra open in babies?  .....

Little ones have an automatic type of protection that is quite unique.  Mostly they are powering along in an awareness level where most of us would love to be !!!   Whatever is happening with their chakra is very normal, no matter what their environment.  Things start to change as they grow into toddlers and again when beginning to display the set characteristics they brought in with them, around 4/5 years old.

So really, parents don't need to do anything about their babes chakra, as it is doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing at that stage for that life choice.[]

Love Always. []

[Anonymous]

Really!? I never knew that. I always thought there was something that needed to be done. Ok I have another question. when they are toddlers is there anything you could do to help keep them open?
Also can you teach them like telepathy or something like that?
Ok back to the subject.If the energy balances are balanced again before reincarnation how come the chakras are open in newborns?
and can Kundalini be awakened in a child say 10 years old without hurting them?(doubtful)

[Tayesin]

Hi Burning,
"when they are toddlers is there anything you could do to help keep them open?"

You could do things, but still I don't think we need to.  Unless there was a clear cut case for inteference from the outside, they should be doing their normal thing.  And we don't want them to be wide open all the time, until we ourselves have grown to an awareness where we can handle the Flow.  It can be overwhelming for most people, let alone toddlers, etc.

"Also can you teach them like telepathy or something like that?"

Yes.  Most of the babies born in the last 40 years have come in with increasing awareness, particularly the little ones I've seen in recent years. They will easily take to Telepathic training.  My daughter is 10 this year and she picks up on my communications to her fairly easily.  I actually wish I had started her off much earlier !

"If the energy balances are balanced again before reincarnation how come the chakras are open in newborns?"

The chakra have to be open in order to flow energy through the body, and operate all the organs etc.  If they were shut down for prolonged periods there would be growing sickness leading to death as the body shut down. This is pretty much the standard death process as the Soul/energy begins to detach from the physical.

I am not completely sure our energies are fully balanced between lives, since we can also carry over cetain things we want to finish/work on further/etc.  Which brings about the reality of carrying past life issues into this present one.

Although we do undergo healing after life here in order to open us to our higher awareness of ourselves, otherwise we would be stuck in the  "Oh sh*t, (shock and horror)I really am dead" mode, and maybe not go far beyond that awareness.

"and can Kundalini be awakened in a child say 10 years old without hurting them?"

If that Soul has chosen to have that experience this time, then yes it would be possible.  But, I would not say to anyone to go ahead and do it!!  It is a dangerous power used incorrectly, raised too early and/or uncontrollably.  This type of awakening is incredibly awesome, the power it opens us up to is immense and it demands that you accept it's Responsibility.  I can't see a 10 year old having the maturity (generally) to handle that aspect, even if they do have the inner strength to handle the Power.

Love Always. []

[daem0n]

i think that you cannot completely close chakra, you can only severely restrict flow of energy, even badly damaged they transform energy, chakras are like liver, lungs and heart, you cannot live without even one of them not working...

[darkheaven]

hi tayesin...nice info

i want to say to you that my head hurts when i read your first post in this topic. to much emotional envolvement from your side...i could be very wrong but well i'm not so sure about thingsd that i feel cause i'm just starting to pick small things up...

i wonder how long passed since the sixth day, and how many things we've done since then...anyone any clue???

sorry if i ofend everyone...

thank you

[Anonymous]

Tayesin

quote:This type of awakening is incredibly awesome, the power it opens us up to is immense and it demands that you accept it's Responsibility. I can't see a 10 year old having the maturity (generally) to handle that aspect, even if they do have the inner strength to handle the Power.

Ok back to my old soul theory. The old soul that I beleive now after correcting the theory is that you remember knowledge or memories
and maybe keep maturity mentally and emotionally. Or they gain maturity mentally and emotionally faster.
Now does that mean that an old soul can awaken Kundalini early?
considering by 10 to 11 years old they would have the maturity of a well behaved adult.

[Rastus]

Kundaliniis all or nothing.  You awaken great power, then either you use it or it incinerates you.  Pretty straight forward.  A lot of the dangers have to do with ethics, having the ability to reach out and biatch slap someone is a curse in most respects.

Let me give you some practical examples.  I'm not kundulini'd (spelling? [] ).  But I now avoid getting really angry at all costs, I avoid thinking about the things teenage males think about when they see pretty girls.  I ground myself frequently, I keep the light burning.  Why?  Because I have affected the people around me, sometimes a great deal and sometimes to their (and my) detrement.  When you can bring your loving wife of 16 years to tears from a look of rage, you realise there are implications to power.

Those that go seeking kundalini usually get consumed.  Those that Kundalini finds usually use it for the greater good.  Physical age isn't teh concern, it's all about maturity and ethics and committment.

[Tayesin]

daemOn,
I agree on the possiblity of not being able to completely close the chakras.... it seems to make a bit of sense, yet they do close completely as we approach death.  And sometimes when dowsing other people's chakra I've recorded a couple of no-movement readings, which is highly unusual as most 'closed' chakra still read with an up and down or side to side reading.

darkheaven Quote,
"i want to say to you that my head hurts when i read your first post in this topic. to much emotional envolvement from your side...i could be very wrong but well i'm not so sure about thingsd that i feel cause i'm just starting to pick small things up..."

We each have things that can set off inner awakenings and healings, without us necessarily knowing about it.  In some cases this can take the form of headache/pressure/the feeling of need to cry/etc, much in the same way healing from a traditional sweat lodge can affect us.  

While typing that post I didn't have the reaction you had from reading it.  Most of what I type doesn't give me any deep feelings, unless it is coming directly from higer-self as it tends to sometimes.  For instance, last week I typed a response on the Fifth Epochal Revelation thread, in reply to Michael60's discussion on highly deformed children and I did actually cry for some time after typing it because of the incredible Love I was feeling from the information that came through.

Burningriver Quote:-
"Ok back to my old soul theory. The old soul that I beleive now after correcting the theory is that you remember knowledge or memories
and maybe keep maturity mentally and emotionally. Or they gain maturity mentally and emotionally faster.
Now does that mean that an old soul can awaken Kundalini early?
considering by 10 to 11 years old they would have the maturity of a well behaved adult."

Remembering is what the whole spiritual growth thing is really about. Maturity mentally and emotionally is also a normal part of growing in this life, although I don't like the prospect of having to mature much more, LOL.  At 44 I still feel 22, and I like it that way.[]

The belief in old and new souls will not allow you to experience anything outside the boundaries of that belief.  

The whole Kundalini thing is totally dependant on whether you chose to experience it again in this life.  So no matter what you believe about old or new souls, it will not impact on experiencing a Kundalini Awakening in this life if it was not an option you chose.

And, Rastus nailed it on the head about Kundalini.  

Rastus Quote:-
"Kundalini is all or nothing. You awaken great power, then either you use it or it incinerates you. Pretty straight forward. A lot of the dangers have to do with ethics, having the ability to reach out and biatch slap someone is a curse in most respects"

Ethics is correct.  Do you reach out and slap a person just because a/ they deserve a slapping and b/ you can easily do it, when you feel the POWER inside you that is Kundalini being raised in anger ?

"When you can bring your loving wife of 16 years to tears from a look of rage, you realise there are implications to power."

Exactly.  A woman will see it in our eyes and simply KNOW, even if they have no spiritual inclinations.  They see the change inside the eye that shows Power raising in anger (the old red mist).  My wife used to point it out to me whenever it came, although she thought they were evil-eyes simply because of the inner fear she felt about it.


"Those that go seeking kundalini usually get consumed. Those that Kundalini finds usually use it for the greater good. Physical age isn't the concern, it's all about maturity and ethics and committment."

Another clear insight from Rastus there.  All I would add to that is 'Strength' of the inner variety, because it can and will turn around and bite you big time if you slacken the least amount.  

Love Always. []

[daem0n]

i said that you cannot live without them, when you die it would be a waste of energy on dead meat, so they close, i wanted to point out that so-called chakra closing are not closing, but merely restricting the flow of energy
as with your experiences with no-movement dousing, all that springs to mind is severe armouring, energy stifled in muscles set up by ego blocks the flow beyond the point of feeling, i think that the flow in this cases was beyond human senitivity, yet without it the individual should die
again, you have more experience, it's only my theory

[Anonymous]

the old soul theory is when someone or something dies and there spirits start to go to heaven or hell it gets lost on the way and joins a newborns soul. I am a old soul. I was wondering if chakras can stay open from one life to another?
I doubt mine are but Im working on it[]