opening chakras, whats next?

[theastralbeliever]

So I've been trying to astral project for over a year now with no sucess. Recently I've taken interest in opening all of my chakras and last night I finally believe I have opened all of my chakras. I was so happy and at peace, but I wonder if I opened the crown chakra. I don't know if this is true but I read that if you open all of your chakras successfully then you're supposed to be able to see your higher self. Is this true, does anyone have an experience with this?

[Xanth]

You're supposed to be an enlightened being now!  >_>  Ok, I'm kidding.   

Let's put it this way... what do you THINK or BELIEVE happens when you "open your chakras"?
You talk about stuff that you're "supposed" to be able to see/do... but in the end, what's more important is what you think.
It's all just a "label"... open this, close that... whatever... it's meaningless.

How do you FEEL when you're doing this?  Do you feel better?  More clear?  Improved focus?  What do you objectively feel about it?
So far you've said you were happy and felt at peace... great start! 

What you read is supposed to happen is meaningless.

[theastralbeliever]

I think that it should be easier to astral project now that my chakras are open. Also there are symptoms of ascension that happen before you become a higher being/4th dimentional being. I noticed that these symptoms have recently been happening to me. Anyone know anything about this.

[Lionheart]

I think that it should be easier to astral project now that my chakras are open. Also there are symptoms of ascension that happen before you become a higher being/4th dimentional being. I noticed that these symptoms have recently been happening to me. Anyone know anything about this.

"Symptoms of Ascension"?

What are they?

[Xanth]

I think that it should be easier to astral project now that my chakras are open. Also there are symptoms of ascension that happen before you become a higher being/4th dimentional being. I noticed that these symptoms have recently been happening to me. Anyone know anything about this.

You have a lot of preconceived notions about something you've never experienced before. 

I also asked you what you "feel" when you're doing all this stuff... not what you think or believe.  Forget what others have told you about any of this...
How do you FEEL when you're doing this?  Do you feel better?  More clear?  Improved focus?  What do you objectively feel about it?
So far you've said you were happy and felt at peace... great start!

[Volgerle]

Maybe it would help if you describe to us your energetic experiences.

I suggest you also take your question here for expert help:

http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/forumdisplay.php?34-Ask-Robert-Bruce

Robert Bruce is the very expert on energy work as well as the energy body - including chakras and the topic of astral projection. You need to register and then can ask RB directly about it. I suppose your concern will also be taken more seriously there than here since RB and some of the other experienced members there know about the reality of energy bodies and chakras, mostly from their own experience.

This being said, you do not need energy/chakra work to AP by all means. There is enough of help and good advice on this forum (see some of the stickies) with techniques that do not (only) focus on energy work. Energy work is good for various purposes besides achieving AP (e.g. health, becoming psychic, clairvoyant, etc.) but it is not the only path to AP, Lucid Dreaming or OBE.

[Lionheart]

I suppose your concern will also be taken more seriously there than here since RB and some of the other experienced members there know about the reality of energy bodies and chakras, mostly from their own experience.

This being said, you do not need energy/chakra work to AP by all means. There is enough of help and good advice on this forum (see some of the stickies) with techniques that do not (only) focus on energy work. Energy work is good for various purposes besides achieving AP (e.g. health, becoming psychic, clairvoyant, etc.) but it is not the only path to AP, Lucid Dreaming or OBE.

I use Energy work quite a bit. I practice and experiment with Robert Bruce's NEW, my Pyramids, Egyptian Healing Rods, Crystals, unique stones and recently Pranic Healing. I recently took a course on Pranic Healing that taught me quite a it and yes it was expensive (by my standards), but I found it beneficial and constructive to my further development/growth and experiments I perform while in a NP focus. http://www.pranichealing.com/master-stephen-co

My question above was related to my work. Like you said Volgerle, "Energy work is great for various purposes besides achieving AP. But is equally astounding when combined with NP exploration in general.

It is not a must to AP, but I have found it is very "worthwhile knowing". 

[AAAAAAAA]

meh. there are more than 7 chakras... just saying. there are chakras that extend outside of your body, so unless you've opened those... lol. Besides, I think that projecting is more about being aware of your state of mind rather than opening chakras.

[Xanth]

Robert Bruce is the very expert on energy work as well as the energy body - including chakras and the topic of astral projection. You need to register and then can ask RB directly about it. I suppose your concern will also be taken more seriously there than here since RB and some of the other experienced members there know about the reality of energy bodies and chakras, mostly from their own experience.

The "reality" of them?  As in their objective, true existence? 

Oh yeah, I'm calling you out on that one Volg.  LoL

[Lionheart]

 Xanth, I know we are more than our physical bodies. The Physical Body is composed of the energy states of solids, liquids, and gases and is dependent upon this for its vitality, life, organization, and all processes of physical life here.

Therefore our vessels, per say, do react differently when this energy is altered. This alteration could occur via crystals, which amplify it. Focusing on this energy is also VERY helpful with NP exploration.

I know you don't believe or use this valued source. But have you ever tried? I don't mean just a simple session or two. I mean have you ever put actual work and personal experimentation into this?

I do all kinds of personal experiments with these energy sources. I use Robert Bruce's NEW often when speaking to a person about AP for the first time. I can actually use it to show them, prove to them, that they can access this as well. I use a simple 2 minute NP focus technique on them, so that THEY can feel it for themselves. We know that only they can only convince themselves.

I also read how people seem to hit blocks whereas they can't AP anymore. I find this happens when you get stuck in the same ole, same ole. To evolve with AP, we need to expand on it. Otherwise, what's the purpose of going to the NPR consciously aware anymore, once you already know you are more than your physical body? It's the experimentation that always keeps it new!   

[Volgerle]

The "reality" of them?  As in their objective, true existence? 

Oh yeah, I'm calling you out on that one Volg.  LoL

You do not have the necessary experience regarding energy events, energy work, chi, chakras, kundalini, etc.

That is okay, I understand that. No prob.

But: Many other people have. Many thousands actually, especially if we view it over the course of history it might be millions, they all did so.

So please do not put your lack of ability or experience over the experience of many many others.

Consider the metaphor:
You have not been to France. Not been to Paris. Not seen the Eiffel Tower. Fine, no problem. But why keep telling all the other people now that the Eiffel Tower is not there? This is what you do, all the time.

(Yeah, I know the inevitable punch line now already: It does not exist because it's all illusion, digital, holographic, etc. blah blah blah...)

What's more: Even if you have no ability to get there you could educate yourself on it via books, pics, internet, travel guides, history books, accounts by other people etc. But you deliberately choose not to do so or accept it. Why?

Instead you are repeating your mantras of people's invalid experiences to them all the time (*yawn*). People who actually have been there experience-wise and often repeatedly (could be referring to the metaphor but also to energy again). Even many of your (current and ex) co-moderators have been there, I assume. 

If many make the same or similar experience (energy, kundalini, chakras activating, etc.) ... well, you do not have to be Sherlock Holmes, but many here would infer that there is at least something to it. 

In my case these things happened to me without even knowing/reading about them beforehand. I have written about this here before, so one cannot say it was my 'belief' creating it. This means one thing: there is a common reality (ruleset, law, whatever you call it) out there. This is almost scientific. Observe, compare personal observations amongst each other. Make deductions, statistics. Even if each single observation remains subjective (and this might be your point), we can still be logical about this and draw up systems and models by comparing and compiling. I assume your champ, Mr Tom Campbell, does make use of this same methodology too, btw!

And still ... instead of making this logical deduction that due to repeatedness and partial verificability of kinds of experiences 'there must be logically sth to it', you keep telling all people that their experiences are "meaningless". Only your own (non!-)experience has meaning ... and "Love", yeah, of course. 

If it is so for you personally, that's even okay too. But please stop ridiculing people for things they experience just because YOU have NO ABILITY TO EXPERIENCE them.

Be more accepting please. Why post at all in such a thread? Do you feel the need because you are a Mod?

Just a suggestion: Maybe let others do the answers if they actually HAVE sth useful and helpful for the OP to contribute next time? After all we want to help, true? Ask yourself, how is what you write REALLY helpful to the newbie / OP?

You obviously have NO expertise in the field of energetic experience and work - which is okay! So why don't you just admit it? And why the arrogant ridicule instead to newbies who come here for help ("you're an enlightened being")?

And if this is not enough, you also wanted people to not use the term "astral" anymore - as if this forum was called NPMRpulse instead of its original name. What is this all about? Astral is a label like NPMR is. Just yours is acceptable (Big Toeish enough?) and others not?

The OP also used the correct subforum (see above in case you did not notice at all) called "Energy Body & Chakras". So why are we not allowed to talk about energy bodies etc. anymore? They were at least regarded/accepted as 'real' when the forum was created. Now we have to divert them to other forums (AD) because they get only ridicule here by the moderators. This is a shame. 

Why are you not being more accepting? Sorry to say, it comes across this way.

And one more thing before I'm out of here as I've said enough:

You love to 'preach' about love, but:

Ridicule is NOT Love.

Think about that for a while please.

[Stillwater]

I think we have had a couple exchanges on the concept of energy bodies and chakras, Volgerle, so I shouldn't belabor this too much, as I think we understand one another's positions by now.

For me... despite the fact that I have felt a lot of the classic sensations that are described as energy body actions (although not the "Kundalini" concept), I am at a loss for making conclusions. I can't say whether they represent an actual "energy body" per se, or are a collection of nervous responses.

I theorize that they may be something largely physical in nature because I am able to induce them very quickly without entering a very deep trance or shifting my focus from the physical too far. While they feel a lot like the Upanishads and modern practitioners say (crown does feel a bit like fingers massaging scalp, heart does feel like a heart beat several times too fast, etc), I reason that whatever the cause, I am experiencing the effects through nervous system stimulation. Now notice the important departure point here: that my nervous system is the vehicle for experiencing the sensations does not indicate that there are no energy bodies causing them, but I also reason that energy bodies are not necessary to explain them either- at least to the degree I have yet experienced.

That is sort of where I sit. Unlike non-physical reality in general, I have no real means for verifying or disproving the reality of energy bodies. And it isn't through lack of trying. I have read a good deal of RB's material and books (AD, PPSD, the "NEW" material, etc), and have worked through a lot of the techniques for months about a decade ago. Are there real sensations? You bet. Are they very unusual? Oh yes. What are they? Who the hell really knows... nothing in those few months left me any more attuned, or in balance than my general meditation practice. Because I couldn't discern any additional effect, I decided it wasn't worth the time investment over and above what I spend. I think a lot of what practitioners are taking away may be the general effects of long and focused meditation. I honestly haven't encountered any information to make a conclusion beyond that, and as I say, it isn't for a lack of investigation or trying. Maybe I had already obtained the benefits the NEW system provides from years of other practices. Or maybe I needed another 6 months to really notice a change beyond what I had, who can say. But our time here in this life if valuable too. I decided I didn't have another 6 months to settle a question if it wasn't providing me anything discernable.

Now I have seen, in real life, practitioners of energy systems, such as Daoists from deep country China, do remarkable things. For instance, one old man told me he had the ability to interrupt the flow of life-force in a person by touching them gingerly. And sure enough, I told him to have a go; he flicked my temple with the most subtle of taps, and I spent the next ten seconds recovering from a drunken haze. Is it possible they have learned things about energy forms that I just haven't worked out? For sure. But then there are many explanations for how they do what they do; the psychic force of intention in the world is remarkably powerful- it may be that a person's sincere belief in their ability to affect certain kinds of changes is more than enough to cause those changes.

As you have said in the past, and rightly, I am just not equipped to make any real judgement, and I have no illusions about that. But I am also saying consider possibilities- think about how there are alternative explanations for everything you experience, that despite the appearance of a poodle, or a long fingered monster, you may also be seeing the shadows of trees on the wall. I think most of us here recognize the physical world is one powerful illusion of solidity; it is captivating in how real and final it feels (which is not to say it is "unreal either, but I think you know what I mean here). It seems very possible that just as the physical world is a captivating illusion, many of the ways people view the structures of the non-physical may turn out to be other forms of captivating illusions, whose real explanations may be a bit different.

[Xanth]

Ok... wow...

My apologies Volgerle.
My post was half serious question and half sarcasm. 
I keep forgetting that sarcasm doesn't come across in type all that well... I thought the winky face would have sufficed though.  hehe  My bad. 

My inquiry was more related to your sort of "brush off" of the experience of those who are here on the Astral Pulse helping to teach people... as if the experiences and knowledge of the people who share here are somehow "less" than on Astral Dynamics.   

As for my position on the subject (one I usually stay away from, mind you), I think Stillwater's post resonates well with me. 

[Xanth]

Xanth, I know we are more than our physical bodies. The Physical Body is composed of the energy states of solids, liquids, and gases and is dependent upon this for its vitality, life, organization, and all processes of physical life here.

What about the concept/idea that these bodies and this entire reality don't objectively exist?
I think that's what gets me stuck.  If none of this really exists and consciousness is all there really is... then what are these energy centers beyond purely metaphoric tools?

I'm not saying that these tools are bad.  By all means use what works for you, but in the end, *I* feel it's important to realize what it is you're doing. 

For example, you're not using energy... you're using your metaphor of energy as a tool to enact your Intent to cause an "effect".  Not many people here would understand that statement.

Hence my frustration these days...

[Micael]

What about the concept/idea that these bodies and this entire reality don't objectively exist?
I think that's what gets me stuck.  If none of this really exists and consciousness is all there really is... then what are these energy centers beyond purely metaphoric tools?

I'm not saying that these tools are bad.  By all means use what works for you, but in the end, *I* feel it's important to realize what it is you're doing. 

For example, you're not using energy... you're using your metaphor of energy as a tool to enact your Intent to cause an "effect".  Not many people here would understand that statement.

Hence my frustration these days...

Xanth this is similar to the fact that your body is absolutely not the ultimate reality but you still need to know and consider a lot about it if you want to deeply understand and influence life here. Everything from the chemicals on your brain to the atributes of your muscular structure or your digestive system must be understood if you are to practice medicine for example and save billions of lives. Or... become a high competition athlete.

Why do you assume you go one level further into the core of reality and suddenly nothing matters but intent, belief and expectations - "everywhere"? Reality is much bigger than that, this is a consensus everyone that has been sufficiently out there can agree on, the physical is but one structered form of experience and possibly our physical reality is nothing but one of many. That being said even Tom Campbell recognizes that there are many different realities out there with different rule-sets that DO matter, there's not even a contradiction there.

I and many others have experienced some significant form and effect of dealing with subtle energies so I must agree with Volgerle, why shouldn't we be able to discuss it in a detailed manner as well as many other related topics? If not here, where?

All in all I think you're certainly someone who knows quite more than a thing or two but what you seem to lack consistently is an open mind or wilingness to go deep in discussing such matters in detail and see what people are bringing to the table in each particular instance. At the very least tolerance and respect for other people's views like you said elsewhere is key. Otherwise it just turns into a game of power between diffent ideologies in different places instead of open minded debate. When I came here I came to find more information from explorers of non-physical reality, that's it. Not non-physical reality and spiritual evolution/theory according to My Big TOE (only), there's already a place for that.

Excuse me if I'm wrong but sometimes I can't keep my mouth shut if something deeply feels unfair for one or more people. It's unfortunate but I don't mind if I have to go...

[Xanth]

I guess I'm being read too literal.  LoL
Don't get me wrong, I say things like they don't matter... but those are just words.
Obviously they do matter to some extent or I wouldn't be here.

The problem here (and I can't exactly hold it against anyone) is that you're all replying from your own perspectives on what this physical reality means to you.

I haven't figured out how to convey my perspective any better than I already have.

So, with that said, I'm just gonna shut up for a while and enjoy the read.