Hi all, was wondering if anyone tried Pure High Spin White Powder Gold? I've been doing some reading on it, came across some people who said the Bible stated that someone in the distant past used this and gain enlightenment. They also lived very long, something like hundreds of years old. Can anyone verify this, I am not into religion, nor do I read the Bible.
I read an article on someone who put 24k gold in a glass cup, rap it with foil paper, and put it under 12inch base pyramid, and 2 weeks later, there was a secretion of liquid. This liquid substance was forming around the gold, he ingested it, and said that it was really really sweat, and it made his third eye open like crazy. He also said that he felt like his body was bigger, and that it lasted 2-3 days (if my memory is correct). Heres the article, check it out.
http://www.geocities.com/undergsci/pyramidenergy.html
Heres is the site that makes Pure High Spin White Powder Gold (at least thats what they claim).
http://www.asc-alchemy.com/ If I read correctly, it cost $305.00 for 3 month supply (not too shabby, at least its not 2 week supply, lolz). I'm not done reading the whole page yet, as there are mountains of information on it (too much technical terms for a non chemist). They seem to know what they're doing, and claim that they've been doing it since the 80's. Any insights on this matter would always be appreciated.
Also if anyone who has a better grip on astral projection, can you ask your guide for more info on ORME, ORMUS, White Powder Gold, and if this 2nd website is as good as they claim? That should be easy for you and your guide right? I will thank you and your guide in advance. :-D
AstralVibe
P.S. And one more thing, please don't view this as trying to cheat, or taking the shortest route to enlightenment. If you think about it, its not that bad of an idea. Why spend more time training, when you can cut the time in half. Not to mention, lets say if a friend wanted to give you 10million, would you say, " Oh, I don't want to take the short cut to life, so I can't except your gift." Of course not, you would take the money, open some business, that way you would be financial free, and then be able to spend more time on energy/spiritual work (any sensible person would). Also, isn't our main goal is to experience more, so with the shorten time, you would be able to manipulate energy better, you would be able to heal sick people faster, more efficient. You will be able to do more things, faster than you would normally, and experience more amazing results. So I guess it all depends on point of view, I tend to look at most situation, in more than one angle.
List of dealers I found. It seems that alot of people are interested in ORME.
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# http://www.life-enthusiast.com/ormus/
# http://www.lifetechnology.org/
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Enlightenment (in some traditional views) is a realization. You can't ingest something and it make you come to this realization. It comes through wisdom gained through an understanding of the reality around you and in you. There are no shortcuts to this. There are ways to help you come to this realization like meditation and astral projection, but I wouldn't go looking for it in the outside world. It's in yourself.
If I had that much cash to blow on "enlightenment", I'd spend it on something like The Gateway Experience CD's. They're very good if you invest the time and effort into the exercises.
If there was a magic potion, we'd all know about it by now.
Good luck on your quest.
I'm with Stookie on this one.
I also believe that "enlightenment" is a lot more to do with the journey rather than the destination. :-)
Sarah
Quote from: Stookie on January 18, 2007, 11:39:13
Enlightenment (in some traditional views) is a realization. You can't ingest something and it make you come to this realization. It comes through wisdom gained through an understanding of the reality around you and in you. There are no shortcuts to this. There are ways to help you come to this realization like meditation and astral projection, but I wouldn't go looking for it in the outside world. It's in yourself.
If I had that much cash to blow on "enlightenment", I'd spend it on something like The Gateway Experience CD's. They're very good if you invest the time and effort into the exercises.
If there was a magic potion, we'd all know about it by now.
Good luck on your quest.
Stookie, actually I have the Brainwave Mind Voyages, their good, but I notice that I started to depend on it too much. When you don't use those hemi-sync audio tape too much, and focus on learning how to self hypnotize, you will reach Delta mode in a more profound way. I also have the Hemi-sync by Robert Monroe, which I also downloaded. These things are expensive, anyway you could download it at Demonoid.com, you will require a peer2peer software called bittorrent. Google it for more info.
It is true that everything is in oneself, but you can't deny the fact that these methods have been used by the ancients, for their spiritual enlightenment. I for one have build a 6' by 6' base pyramid, and it is really good for meditation, calms you down, and give you a more focus mind. Haven't been able to use the experiment on plant growth an such yet, hope to do that in due time.
Anyway, the ORME is said to work within you, I'm not saying it works or not, but I will not discard it until I try it myself (with more research and review on whether its safe first). Remember the only truth is experience.
In the 50's, people were using LSD to stimulate the mind. You know in the past drugs was not illegal, until the government found out that people were tapping into the other dimension, and started to regulate it. Kids as young as 7 was using it. Drugs is surprisingly not bad for you, if you do your research into the past, you will find that there is no scientific proof that drug has any negligible effect on the body. Of course if you overly used or misused anything that has benefit, it would be a double edge sword. The only bad part about drug is, if you have an emotional swing, weak minded, you would experience what they call a bad trip. All the media spin on drugs being bad, are mostly disinformation, brought on by governments and elites who govern them. Here is the video on LSD, which was discovered by Dr. Hoffman, he himself did alot of experiments and said that there is no negative effects. I for one had in the paste, been involve with drugs, and had bad trips. I thought it was the drug that was damaging my brain, but as time went by, I found out that it was my emotional swing that cause all the bad experience I had. Fluoride on the other hand is bad for you, because it is poison. But that is completely another subject.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5904240612788659431&q=LSD+duration%3Along&hl=en
Sorry for getting off track here, but what I'm trying to point out is that there is more than one way of enlightenment. If there are hundreds of flavored ice cream, there should at least be more than 1 way of spiritual enlightenment that works great. Its like getting from destination A to B,C,D etc. You could walk, you could run, you could drive, you could fly, and you could even teleport(if the mind is strong enough)? Anyway, looking at the example, which is more effective? You could still view the neighborhood/city/landscape, and experience the surroundings, with the other methods, just as good as walking. For instance, you could run slower/jog, or you could drive slower, or fly slower, and still experience it all. Actually you would get a totally different view with flying, still wonderful in its own way.
I appreciate your replying, and welcome any point of view. I am open minded (literally, to a certain extent), and would love to discuss this more with anyone who is interested.
AstralVibe
P.S. Thank god(if there is actually any ONE creator) for spell check. Lolz
QuoteI also believe that "enlightenment" is a lot more to do with the journey rather than the destination.
Beautifully said Sarah and much more succinct that I had in mind.
Sorry AstralVibe -- but I completely agree with Stookie and Selskie.
And as for the $10 million, I'm not so sure I would take it if it were offered to me. If I did, I'd give some to family and the rest to charity. Too much money can be more of a hinderance that too little! :wink:
enlightment is destiny and defined. the universe supports you to achieve it.be one with the universe, enjoy the emotional swing forward, backward trough time, like a mother
winks her child :lol:
Quote from: Selski on January 18, 2007, 12:23:43
I'm with Stookie on this one.
I also believe that "enlightenment" is a lot more to do with the journey rather than the destination. :-)
Sarah
Isn't the "Journey" after you reached the astral plane??? :? Of course training for the journey is part of the journey, but the real path to experience is after. You can train all you want in Martial Arts, and still won't know what the true meaning of what you were training for in the first place, until you actually went to the battle field.
In "Adventures Beyond The Body" by William Buhlman, he mention that he should've asked his guide for help 10 years ago. Then he would be experiencing more than he ever had dream, without wasting so much time on trying a bunch of dead ends. Not to mention, in the end, his guide helped him anyway. I forgot what dimension he tried to reach, probably 5th, but the point he was trying to say is that there is nothing wrong with asking for help, or seeking other methods of help. And you gain so much more.
Are we not doing the same when we seek/ask for help on forums? Asking for guidance, technique, answers, etc... I mean, if you say that its a shortcut, then asking others for help/advise is the same thing? Aren't you suppose to "experience" it and find out by "yourself?" Is it more significant to find the answer without help? Of course not, its just a different way of approaching it. And we all do it, whether you admit to it or not. Even the Hemi-sync audio are consider cheating then, because you can't bring the vibration/relaxation yourself, so you used other methods. Astral Projection is cheating in it self, in a sense, because we all are there to seek for ,knowledge, guidance, power, soul mate etc.. And everything we desire is at or can be significantly altered at the astral level, be it physical, mental, material, and spiritual changes.
Also, I've experience the vibration before, the sinking sensation, and the jet noise. I even had my first conscious projection after 2 months of training and meditating, (although short lived). What else is there to experience in the process of projecting? Not much, if you think about it. The real battle/adventure, starts when you actually get there. But of course everyone is entitle to their own views, and ways of accomplishing their goals. Each and every path is unique in its own way. Don't get me wrong though, I don't believe that a lazy person, who only expects others to spoon feed him, is right. That is totally different, its like completely removing the experience part.
AstralVibe
Quote from: AstralVibe on January 18, 2007, 15:06:28
Isn't the "Journey" after you reached the astral plane???
I was talking about the journey of life. :-)
Quote from: AstralVibe on January 18, 2007, 15:06:28In "Adventures Beyond The Body" by William Buhlman, he mention that he should've asked his guide for help 10 years ago. Then he would be experiencing more than he ever had dream, without wasting so much time on trying a bunch of dead ends.
I haven't read the book, but I'll throw a theory out there. Perhaps Mr Buhlman was too stubborn to ask for help 10 years ago, or didn't believe in guides. He needed to "waste" those 10 years in order to get to a point where he was in a position to turn to guides. In addition, I would add that his 10 years were not a waste, for he has now written a book about how to go about projecting, and advises us to ask our guides for help as soon as possible. Therefore, his 10 years trying a bunch of dead ends, means that we don't have to! We (and he) should be grateful for those 10 years - they were most likely vital for his progress (even if he didn't feel he was progressing).
Quote from: AstralVibe on January 18, 2007, 15:06:28Are we not doing the same when we seek/ask for help on forums? Asking for guidance, technique, answers, etc
Yes, I suppose we are. Firstly, remember I am talking about the journey of life. I believe enlightenment to be death, for we are always learning through life. My point is if there was a "magic" pill that you could take to reach enlightenment (before death), I wouldn't be interested because I believe that the journey through life is incredibly enriching and one would miss all the experiences (good and bad) that go with the journey if you simply swallowed a pill.
Quote from: AstralVibe on January 18, 2007, 15:06:28... I mean, if you say that its a shortcut, then asking others for help/advise is the same thing? Aren't you suppose to "experience" it and find out by "yourself?" Is it more significant to find the answer without help? Of course not, its just a different way of approaching it. And we all do it, whether you admit to it or not. Even the Hemi-sync audio are consider cheating then, because you can't bring the vibration/relaxation yourself, so you used other methods. Astral Projection is cheating in it self, in a sense, because we all are there to seek for ,knowledge, guidance, power, soul mate etc.. And everything we desire is at or can be significantly altered at the astral level, be it physical, mental, material, and spiritual changes.
Cheating? No, I don't think it's cheating. I say each to their own. There is no right and wrong way to go about anything in my opinion. I love astral projection, it seems to come naturally to me. I have used the Gateway CDs because I found them relaxing and interesting - I was never able to project by using them. I'm only really saying that in my opinion, it is better to enjoy the ride rather than rush to the end as fast as possible.
Quote from: AstralVibe on January 18, 2007, 15:06:28But of course everyone is entitle to their own views, and ways of accomplishing their goals. Each and every path is unique in its own way. Don't get me wrong though, I don't believe that a lazy person, who only expects others to spoon feed him, is right. That is totally different, its like completely removing the experience part.
I'm with you on this one! :-D
I guess I was just throwing my advice in the pot.
Sarah
Quote from: aleshah on January 18, 2007, 13:51:59
enlightment is destiny and defined. the universe supports you to achieve it.be one with the universe, enjoy the emotional swing forward, backward trough time, like a mother
winks her child :lol:
Aleshah, check out this website, they sell legal Psychedelic seeds which you can grow yourself. lOlz
Some plants are restricted in certain area. Please if you choose this route, be responsible. I am in no way encouraging anyone to buy and grow their own legal plants and ingesting them. I however am considering it, muhahahah. :evil:
http://www.shamanic-extracts.com/xcart/shamanic-ethnobotanicals/psychedelic-seeds/index1.html
AstralVibe
P.S. These are so much cheaper than ORME White Powder Gold, although they aren't as beneficial or long lasting (at least from what I read).
Quote from: Selski on January 18, 2007, 15:54:21
Perhaps Mr Buhlman was too stubborn to ask for help 10 years ago, or didn't believe in guides. He needed to "waste" those 10 years in order to get to a point where he was in a position to turn to guides.
I think I quoted him incorrectly, lolz, I think he ment that he should had asked for help instead of struggling for the early 10 years of his astral projecting. I sincerely apologise to you and him, even though he is not reading this.
Quote from: Selski on January 18, 2007, 15:54:21
Yes, I suppose we are. Firstly, remember I am talking about the journey of life. I believe enlightenment to be death, for we are always learning through life. My point is if there was a "magic" pill that you could take to reach enlightenment (before death), I wouldn't be interested because I believe that the journey through life is incredibly enriching and one would miss all the experiences (good and bad) that go with the journey if you simply swallowed a pill.
I also do not believe in any "magic pills", I think in this part, we both misunderstood each other. You were talking about the journey of life and the lessons learned from the process. And I was talking about a boost in focus, genetic restructuring, and the increase in energy, and a stronger seperation between non-physical/physical body from ORME. I concur with you that life's lesson can't be discarded, nor substituted.
Quote from: Selski on January 18, 2007, 15:54:21
Cheating? No, I don't think it's cheating. I say each to their own. There is no right and wrong way to go about anything in my opinion. I love astral projection, it seems to come naturally to me. I have used the Gateway CDs because I found them relaxing and interesting - I was never able to project by using them. I'm only really saying that in my opinion, it is better to enjoy the ride rather than rush to the end as fast as possible.
I never said I thought it was cheating, it just seems like you were implying that anyone who tries to seek alternative methods to controlled projection, or at least a boost in the process, was cheating.
Quote from: Selski on January 18, 2007, 15:54:21
Firstly, remember I am talking about the journey of life. I believe enlightenment to be death, for we are always learning through life.
Aslo, I always thought enlightenment can be obtain in life as well? Altered state of mind, and crossing over to astral plane, to me is enlightenment. I never thought/consider "death" or "journeys of life" to be enlightenment, however, I think you and Stookie are correct in this.
AstralVibe
AstralVibe, I saw the whole documentary you've posted, it was very informative and interesting.
I have no experience with drugs of any kind, really don't think I should because I have profound astral projections, regularly, and drugs could wreck this emotional and psychological structure that I've build over the years, and that keeps me on my track while I walk on the other dimensions.
The problem I see with using a substance to aid you with this is that at first it could seem to be effective in reproducing the results you're willing to achieve, but in the long run, when you stop to truly analyze where you've gotten, you'll see you've gone nowhere, you're unable to operate without that little trick. So, in the end all that substance did for you was to cripple your skills, showing you something you're not ready to grasp.
Quote from: AstralVibe on January 18, 2007, 19:54:44
Altered state of mind, and crossing over to astral plane, to me is enlightenment.
Hi AstralVibe
Before I comment, I want to clarify first, just in case of misunderstanding :-)
In respect of your quote above, are you saying that those who are able to astral project are enlightened?
Sarah
hey,
I've heard a wonderful statement a few days ago:
An enlighted person is someone who is not afraid of hell, and has no need of going to heaven . :-D
There are lots of things to learn on the path to enlightenment that no pill or psychedelic can give you: focus & concentration, energy, will, patience, humility, compassion, etc. These things come about through time and experience, no pill will help.
A person may have an experience on psychedelics that makes them want to strive for this, but I think any person who is serious about it will eventually have to put them aside and become disciplined in meditation, ap, or life itself.
There are tools to help you, like hemi-sync, but they help you find it within yourself.
Quote from: Selski on January 19, 2007, 04:31:50
Hi AstralVibe
Before I comment, I want to clarify first, just in case of misunderstanding :-)
In respect of your quote above, are you saying that those who are able to astral project are enlightened?
Sarah
What I mean by that is, when we follow the path to spirituality, and are able to cross over to the astral plane. We are able to get a better grasp of who and what we are, and what our true purpose are. Gaining more spiritual knowledge etc.. is enlightenment is it not? Like Stookie said, gaining a "Relization" of external and internal being.
AstralVibe
P.S. When we enter into the astral relm, we are able to look into our past life and analyze what we've learn, and with this ability we could further our physical goals even better. I was thinking of looking into a successful persons life and see if I can learn how to be more productive, organized etc.. The things we could do, are limitless.