Psychic Vampirism

[GOTHIKA]

Nearly all of the available literature that I have seen that has been published by other sources than the community has been extremely negative in nature.
There it is described as being more of an affliction and in its worst form as a self-aware made choice to victimize other individuals.
Therefore, prejudice can be quite common when it comes to the topic of psi vampires.
Psychic vampires are people who take energy when it is done on either a conscious or unconscious level.
There are different explanations as to why they need to feed the most popular reason being that either the vampire's own system does not produce enough vital energy to sustain itself or leaks out energy.
They seem to tend to burn up vital energy at a faster rate than they can produce it therefore the difference must be made up taking energy from other sources.

When it comes to the matter of energy all beings whether they are vampiric or otherwise, are constantly engaged in an exchange of energy with their environment.
This is perfectly natural and it serves to connect all living things even among ordinary people who give as well as take in energy.
The difference is in the amount of energy taken in by ordinary people and by vampires who need significantly larger amounts of it.
Other sources than human can be used such as universal energy or the energy found in the environment but with the main source still is vital human energy.
There are a few different types of vampires such as attention getting Emotional vampires who use attention-getting behavior in order to obtain it.
There are sexual vampires who feed upon the energy of their partners during sexual play.
There are Sanguine vampires who usually obtain in from the blood of a partner.
There are Pranic vampires who can feed actually feed on human vital energy directly by being able to draw it to themselves from across a room or even through a touch as causal as a handshake.
I tend to fall somewhat into the last category.
But one should remember that there are both good vampires and then there are bad ones.
Some may do anything in order to obtain the vital human energy they crave while others abide by a code of ethics.
This code of ethics includes never feeding from children, the mentally or physically ill, the elderly, and never to "deep feed" without the other person's consent.
I feel that psychic vampires are generally misunderstood and do have some intriguing abilities.
They are capable of manipulating energy, of performing advanced energy techniques such as cleansing energy, heightening energy, and are even capable of performing energy attunements.
All of these can be acomplished by the formation of links by the means of joining by the palms and opening up channels to the various chakras of the body.
So overall I would have to say that Psychic Vampirism is something that has been grossly misunderstood and if practiced by ethical means really not that bad thing at all in nature.

[Existential Essence]

You wouldnt break my bubble baby....

[Souljah333]

dear gothika,

of course most people that believe themselves to be vamps, choose to believe that they're pranic...bcuz it sounds more noble, more mysterious.
but it's all the same thing. of course there is a natural exchange always taking place as you said, but this thread isn't about that...it's about establishing some twisted justification for the function of victimized parasites. that's sounds harsh, but i can't think of another way to put it. i have shared company quite often with genuine vampires and never have i witnessed them bothering to "explain" their function to their food.

particular questions then...i have for you.

1)what is the "exchange" taking place for you personally? you're sitting across from someone in a coffee shop and sipping away on their vital energy...what are giving back???
and
2)at point are you/would you be willing to throw your code-of-ethics out the window? because when it comes right down to it, it is indeed only service-to-self we are talking about here, and i'm curious how desperate a pranic vamp has to become before all is fair game???

secondly from my personal understanding...children are extremely hard to feed off of, mentally disturbed & elderly are too contaminated/their energy too diluted, and as for deep feeding...it is in no way pleasurable without consent/self-sacrifice...because of the anxiety/fear hormones that well in the process otherwise. it's all much easier to skim the cream from the top and move on to the next.

i think it must be a terrible position to put ones self in where they have enough intelligence to justify, but at the same time can't release the guilt associated with their need.

i have more compassion for a wolf who stands up as a predator, then a parasite in sheep's clothing, but that's just me. i'm sure there are some out there that would find that ploy intelligent and intriguing.

[TuperYabba]

Yes, at what level would you abandon ethics? What a fascinating question. It's really impossible to answer with unquantifiable variables and whatnot. I know that you, Souljah333 are far senior to me when It comes to experience in the forums, but seriously, target you questions so GOTHIKA can produce an honest and easy answer, while I myself am not a vamp by nature I can understand GOTHIKA's take on the matter. Next time be please more precise like, "would you do it to save yourself from an unnatural death?" "Would you do it to save your self from natural death?".

[Wronski Feint]

If you were doing somthing that hurts other people or takes somthing away from other people. Why would you keep doing it?  Just because you make some rules about not taking from the helpless dosnt make it right.  If you steal from a wealthy person, its still stealing.  Why dont you feed off the engergy of somthing else? Like the universe or the sun or earth.   I really dont think that having metaphysical engergy keeps one alive.  A person can exist normaly without the use of metaphysical engery.

[Souljah333]

my questions stand.
easy questions aren't worth answering. substance is what i'm after, and from the heart. actually the question is what carries the weight. the answers are useless to me. the point is that vampires are service-to-self creatures, there are no ethics. ethics are rules for role playing games like religion, politics, members only clubs, and closed communities...and this forum.

this thread pops up every now and again by people in need of attention. not that i have a problem with that; gothika is "special", but not in the way she believes. her power doesn't come from outside, from others, from afar.

psychic vampirism is a trend, a market, nothing more. like hip-huggers, and martini bars. it's not a path to ascension. sorry, but it's not.

[TuperYabba]

The questions I wrote were hypothetical by nature, using them in any variety of concepts can give you pretty good snapshots of a persons nature.

[Souljah333]

yes i understand that, and you are free to ask whatever questions you like (of course). this thread will get off topic (per usual). i only wanted to make a point about ethics. they're only honest in application. if someone is dying from natural or un-natural circumstances, and will still practice their code of ethics to the end...then i guess that's worth something, but as far as gaining insight from the answers...i don't think most people are truly honest with themselves so how do you expect them to be honest with you? most people will say what they "think" the other person wants to hear. anyways...there are pedophiles out there that are vegan, bcuz they don't like harming animals, and wife-beater that worship their dogs with loving kindness, and corporate ceo's that will screw anyone to make a profit, but still preach about their charity offerings. people naturally try and put their best foot forward in unfamiliar situations.

anyway...back to the pranic vampire trend. it's a pyramid scheme. there's a reason they "need" to feed...bcuz they're being fed off of, and so on. up the line to the pranic ceo's.  

HALLOW ARE THE ORI

[TuperYabba]

Ah, the pesky "biased answer conundrum". One of my lifes greatest hates, yea, you are right, the only way to really certify it would be to put someone in that situation. I bow to your greater wisdom...

[GOTHIKA]

Souljah333 wrote:

dear gothika,

of course most people that believe themselves to be vamps, choose to believe that they're pranic...bcuz it sounds more noble, more mysterious.
but it's all the same thing. of course there is a natural exchange always taking place as you said, but this thread isn't about that...it's about establishing some twisted justification for the function of victimized parasites. that's sounds harsh, but i can't think of another way to put it. i have shared company quite often with genuine vampires and never have i witnessed them bothering to "explain" their function to their food.


Actually believe it or not you may fall into a certain category of vampirism called "emotional vampirism".
Emotional Vampires are people who provoke others by ruthlessly pestering them into frustration, aggravation, and into having feelings of extreme annoyance and then feeding off of the resulting energy.
They take pleasure in the rush and charge of the feeling and tend to repeat themselves over and over again which appears to be the case here.
Oh and by the way their not even considered real vampires just merely as attention seeking people trying to receive it to cover up their own insecurities.
Enough said.

[DjSneeze]

Not givin any names and such !

Nevertheless, I went out with some guys, and one of them kind of like drained my energy ! I felt really sleepy all of a sudden ! How can you protect yourself !? Are there any stones or  ? Or any ways, to protect yourself ?

It just doesn't seem ok, just to drain someone up like that !

[GOTHIKA]

Well there are ways that you can prevent it by putting up shields around yourself.
Its like a psychic barrier which one can picture in different forms such as imagery like for instance a metal shield of armor surrounding you.
Or you can spike your energy with a negative emotion making it unpalatable to others.
When other psi's attempt to feed from me against my will or try to take more energy than I'm willing to put out I just having a way of walling myself off to them as if I were putting up a concrete barrier between myself and them.

[DjSneeze]

Ummm, you've been the only person that replied in the last day ! Umm I was wondering ... where could I start ?! Meditation would be the right option ... but how do I do it ?

Oh and yesterday night I really tried to focus on my aura, but couldn't see a thing ! Anyway, any tips would be great gothika !

... take care and have fun ! I really want to hear ur tips ! Or any other persons tips !

Best wishes, vick !

[Souljah333]

GOTHIKA,

funny how i offer another perspective and you try and paint me out as the "bad" vampire. just looking for something a little meatier to bite into. something substantial, unique, fresh...not that same ol' song and dance, and the shielding/blocking tactic. i question anyone that finds me a threat, bcuz i merely push for higher thinking and a flexible frame-of-mind.

as for driving up emotion. i won't take credit for the way you feel, but i will admit that it is my thing to work with feelings. that's the closest to the truth i can hope to get. i'm not feeding off it though. nope, it just hangs in the air waiting for you to process it, digest it, transform it into something more usable. i'm not into having to swallow whatever is spit out in front of me. doesn't do me any good whatsoever. obviously i've pushed a few buttons, and for that i'll apologize, but it isn't my "misunderstanding", or lack of support that upsets you...whatever dis-ease you experience in reflection is coming from inside your own house. maybe you should take a second to isolate that and inspect it?!? or not. i'm not sure what point you were trying make in your original post...just feeling my way around.

there are hundreds of vamp-friendly forums out there for support and glorification...but the post was made here and in the arena of "energy body development" and i wondering if there was some avenue you wanted to explore in particular?

there's nothing "wrong" with asking for clarification. there's nothing evil about pushing it back in your direction. if you aren't up for the challenge you can simply ask me to stop posting to "your" thread. maybe you're only looking for an exchange with the inexperienced!?! those that'll write back, "wow. cool. like, can i be one too?!?"
i have much experience, and vampires are a specialty with me...so i understand if you don't want me "engaging" on this subject, but i do find your perspective interesting in general...for instance...

Q: beside the basic free-lunch...what else draws you into that circle? what other benefits does it hold for you? were you one-of-those text-book cases...the misunderstood, powerless, mysfit that found solace in some gothic gaggle? or do you feel a calling that is instinctively unique? has this lifestyle created some sort of balance in your life, or does it make it all the more black & white??? what does being a "pranic vampire" inspire in you? what's the greatest thing it's ever motivated you do (in the service of others), and...what's the most disturbing and un-ethical thing it's generated within??? give us something to chew on

or push me out...whichever.
333

[DjSneeze]

OMG ! now it took me 10 minutes to read and a nother 50 to try to understand, but no luck !

Anyways, Souljah333, couldn't you drain on other things from the nature ? And why do you have to feed ? Can't you make other energy through meditating ?

Are there any blood vamps ? Like Homminis Nocturna
I fully believe in energy vamps cuz one did it to me ! All though there was no phisical contact beside a hand shake ...

Oh and is it OK to drain up nrgy from people !? NO consequences !? I heard it's "not allowed" so to say ! Any way, I'd allso like a reply from u !

[GOTHIKA]

I have posted here in the energy body development section because I have quite a deal of experience in such things.
I interact with energy nearly all of the time and engage in numerous practices with it.
I felt perhaps I could share my knowledge of such with others feeling that it may be beneficial or at least informative for them.
I am in no way encouraging people to attempt become psi vampires themselves I just happen to be one and am trying to answer questions and discuss things from my own personal perspective.
I try never to needlessly pester others or to attack them on these boards and it would be considerate if they would do like wise.
Of course I'm not saying that someone should refrain from offering their point of view but at a certain point some things become rather redundant not to mention quite tiresome.

[James S]

I first thought to stay away from this thread altogether, thinking  - ugh, not another psi-vamp "we're out there and we're gonna get you" post, kind of like ki-balls for goth wannabes. Reading Gothika's comments on emotional vampirism has sparked my interest here, and made the conversation more real.

For those who heartily dispute the whole idea, think about the last time you were feeling run down about something, or someone, and you found yourself leaning on other people around you for emotional support. Yep, we all have the capacity to grow fangs if we're unable to get a satisfying level of emotional fulfilment.

If you are in such a state yourself, then you will probably feel yourself caught in a loop – get a bit of energy from someone else, feel good for a while until the energy wanes, then go back for more. So many people do this completely unconsciously, never realising that they're caught in what is effectively an addiction. Only until we take responsibility for our own emotional states do we break that cycle.

Feeding of the energy of others is like eating nothing but chocolate all the time. Might taste good, and make us feel good for a bit, but there's no nutritional value in it. When we look within ourselves for our emotional support, and stop leaning / feeding off others, we can start to find the other sources of energy around us that are far more pure and far more abundant.

That's one of the things I never got about psi-vamps, especially those who know what's going on and seek to deliberately draw energy from other people. Find a patch of dirt, or a tree. Why charge your batteries from another battery when there are freely accessible nuclear power plants all around you?  

As for shielding yourself and spiking that shield with negative energy, that to me seems a catch 22. Putting out negative emotion tends to very quickly bring it back on yourself. Its healthier to keep the positive energies and just set boundaries.

Now thinking about something that Lola just said –
" If parents are vamps will they unknowingly effect their kids..will
this turns their kids into vamps?"

When we see children's repetition of their parent's behaviour patterns, I'd say the answer here is definitely yes.

Now psychology and self help platitudes aside, if we're talking about real vampires, I'd have to say that if I were to meet one that looked like Kate Beckinsale as she did in Underworld, I'd be yelling "take me, take me!!!"


James.

[DjSneeze]

Amen brother ... Amen !!!

[James S]

Amen brother ... Amen !!!

What, about the emotional /energy thing or about Kate Beckinsale?  


James.

[Nay]

LOL.. I'm thinking, Kate Beckinsale.  Heck, I'll take Brad Pitts character in Interview With A Vampire ANY day!  Bite me baby, bite me..  


Nay

[Souljah333]

dear Dj,

i'm guessing it was my post that was difficult to understand?!? it's hard for me to simplify something as broad as vampirism, and when subtle energies and the daily grind is thrown in...i suppose i have a tendency to bounce around.

i also think i may have miscommunicated my function to you. i'm not a vampire...more of a slayer (if there has to be a title), and i'll leave it at that to stay on point. you asked about consequences and yes there are many, and it still goes back to service-to-self (STS) and service-to-others (STO).
i use those terms because they generalize everyone. it's as close as i can get to black and white, good and evil and not get too caught up in the details, which i have a tendency to do.
STS people function more along the line of animals. survival of the fittest/predator & prey/fight or flight type functions, and i have very little problem with this to be honest...if it's kept simple and basic. now days (however) it's not a simple function. when a person uses their intelligence to "fix" a situation, and "manipulate" their environment to their advantage, and their motivation is completely STS...it generates a new animal, a new form of predator. if these animals are allowed to band together, make the rules and draw the plans then the average folk that mindlessly go along; go throughout their days (unconcerned)...they're all in trouble.
there is something called a "lack of response agreement" (which i won't get into the depths of it's existence, but)...as simple as it is...if you don't read the fine print, don't do your research and don't respond to the situation...you are in fact agreeing to it whole-heartily, and w/out negotiation.

i know i've probably lost you again. basically STO's need to step up their game to keep the STS's in check. thankfully not as many STO's are needed to keep the balance (but that's another discussion).

sometimes i like to place complicated situations on tiny islands. so with the idea that there are 5 people ship wrecked in the middle of nowhere, and one of them is a pranic vampire...what is the result of that 'long term'? people that are surrounded by negativity eventually get sick, once their stores of vital energy are broken down and leeched from them. they also fall into negative behavior themselves. for some people this happens quickly...for others they resist as long as possible. you have your typical 'lord of the flies' scenario at hand. what happens when the prey is all used up, or when everyone is converted to STS for survival purposes? it goes through another round of predators attacking predators, turning on their own...till the fittest one is left....ALONE! i'm not saying there aren't powerful properties to being STS, and in this new world...i can't say that it doesn't work...because it very much does. the idea that if you want to get to the top of the success ladder in the established world...you have to be 'dog-eat-dog' and 'blood-thirsty' is true, but once you get "there" what's left??? for christ's sake...there are reality show made about this very situation; about the last man standing 'wins'. there aren't any 'successful' shows about everyone banding together and making it work for everyone involved. pleasant, cooperative and functional...is boring in the new world.

i think all this has a lot to do with killing off every natural predator to mankind and skulking through life in a hazy-daze of safety. for this reason, when i look down the road...it all becomes useful again at some point. the new predators leading us back to a higher function within ourselves. for that i am incapable of placing blame, or calling them evil, or vicious. there is no right or wrong to evolution...just a wonderful weaving of processes and functions that in the end i always trust it will balance itself out.    

not sure any of that helped
but it's a response...none the less.

333

[IequalMC2]

The Other Unmanifested Question...

You know I reflect!

Unmanifest = Decoded yourself (congradulations!)

I read once that Vlad the Impaler in his hometown square placed an expensive golden Chalice by the fountain, which I've learnt from someone I have complete trust in, represents the womb and whatnot, anyway nobody nicked it. Is this because?

A: They where all to scared because he was a tyrant?
B: They all understood its representation?

I believe Vlad the Impaler to be innocent of all thought crimes agaist him. So you know what I think.

Now I also remember something about him supposedly knowing the secret of immortality, occult truths, stuff like that. Bram Stockers Dracula is but another trigger, to help people search for light in darkness 'The Womb', you can think what you want, but I can see how the vampire (delusion) is a turn on, and how it explains reality.      

I went here to spell the name correct.

http://www.vladtheimpaler.com/

"What is interesting to note, is that Stoker's vampire, while being loosely based on Vlad the Impaler, is nowhere near as threatening, nor as sadistic.  Stoker's Dracula is a mysterious, somewhat sensual character who kills and feeds to survive, much like any being in nature.  In fact, as much as there is reference to the evil of Dracula, it can be reasoned that all of his actions were motivated by survival. Vlad the Impaler, on the other hand, killed not to feed, but to revel in his own power, and just for the sheer pleasure of seeing the suffering of his numerous victims. We will attempt to put together as accurate a portrait of the man as available documentation permits, his life, loves, enemies, and all of his infamous deeds."

So if you want to communicate via vampire role-play it will be so.

Really 333    

I think it was the UP speaking through gorge Clooney in three kings who said the immortal word, (just before stealing the symbolic Instant Gold and playing Beech Boys I get around on the jeeps tape!)


"Lets show them the Blinding Power Of American Sunshine Boys!"

Hail The Thief!

Hear – Radiohead: Karma Police

No offence or confusion intended.

I have my council.

Take care

Brad

[Wronski Feint]

I gotta hypothesis to make.

     What if, now i know this is going out on a limb here, what if psycic vampires dont exist. What if this whole psyvamp thing stems from the bloodsucking vampire folklore and idealism.  We are just createing a version of the real vamps(im not saying they exist) for our world.  Any one can bite sombody and say theyre a vampire.  Any one can feed of sombody's energy and say theyre a psyvamp.  I just think  even in a world of people who can move objects with their mind and see whats going to happen in the future, sombody still wants to feel special.

[GOTHIKA]

Runlola wrote:    

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Ok, I have met a couple of ppl who are psi-vamps.
How does a person know they are one?
I think knowing you are one is better than being one & not knowing.
Wouldn't not knowing be worse for the people around them?

" Well when a person feels run down much of the time and unenergetic by themselves and feels invigorated after being around others there is a possibility that they may be one.
It is best that you know that you are one and accept it rather than live in ignorance or non acceptance of it because its best to come to grips with it and learn how to be able to keep it under control.
I personally prefer to inform the people that I come into contact with that I am one and especially if I want to engage in a psi vamp related activity with them."

Also, how do you know when you have taken enough energy?
What if you have taken too much for yourself, do you give it back
or do you feel a drunken high?

"I'm not really sure but I usually know when I've had enough but sometimes when I've taken too much the person or vamp will inform me of feeling weakened after our exchange.
I have never really experienced a high of any sort and don' t even realize that I've taken too much energy.
However if another vamp has fed too deeply from my energy I will almost immediately feel extremely drained after wards.
We like to feed often from our own preferring the heightened quality of the refined energy we generally contain within us."

What happens if a vamp vamps a vamp? Also is it true that if a vamp
vamps you too much that you will become a vamp as well?

"However if another vamp has fed too deeply from my energy I will almost immediately feel extremely drained after wards.
We like to feed often from our own preferring the heightened quality of the refined energy we generally contain within us.
And "no" a person cannot become another vamp from being fed upon, its something you either are or aren't."


If parents are vamps will they unknowingly effect their kids..will
this turns their kids into vamps?

" Well what I wrote above pretty much answers this question as well.
Either the kids will be vamps on their own its not passed down or inherited that I know of.
And if anyone feeds off of their own kids or kids in general I think that would be rather disturbed behavior on their part.
Anyway child energy is totally unappealing to me due to the nature of the under developed energy system."


I hope you answer my questions. I am just curious, I'm not debating.
I am an Anne Rice fan if that helps. lol.
 
thanks!

"Anne Rice Rocks!"  

[GOTHIKA]

James S wrote:

Feeding of the energy of others is like eating nothing but chocolate all the time. Might taste good, and make us feel good for a bit, but there's no nutritional value in it. When we look within ourselves for our emotional support, and stop leaning / feeding off others, we can start to find the other sources of energy around us that are far more pure and far more abundant.



That's one of the things I never got about psi-vamps, especially those who know what's going on and seek to deliberately draw energy from other people. Find a patch of dirt, or a tree. Why charge your batteries from another battery when there are freely accessible nuclear power plants all around you?

"Well part of being a psi vamp is that one will require at some point vital human energy but we can feed and exchange energy between ourselves as well.
Also a prefer a mixture of "tree energy" in the types of energy that I find appealing."

As for shielding yourself and spiking that shield with negative energy, that to me seems a catch 22. Putting out negative emotion tends to very quickly bring it back on yourself. Its healthier to keep the positive energies and just set boundaries.

" I don't personally myself like to spike my sheids with negative energy but that is a technique that is practiced by some psi's.
I just put up sheilds which is similar to putting up a hand to push back a forceful person and saying "NO!" to them.
Another psi can seriously harm or effect even myself or another psi if they chose to just feed away too deeply from me or can attack me by spiking their energy with negative emotions or just simply try to drain me dry.
Its not just only the non vampires who get attacked by psi vamps."