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This being said makes the idea that energy attacks are improbable lose all ground.
Dear Follower...
You have proven nothing. Einstein's E=MC2 or Quantum Mechanics can prove or disprove nothing of your preposition. You seem to forget that scientific concepts can only be used metaphorically to describe spiritual processes. Try again.
Mirador
I think you did not understand him Mirador.
Einsteins Theory of relativity that E=mc2 has been proved correct. So he means that this shows the possibility that matter and energy are interconvertible and thus so can we do that with our Ki Blasts. He means to say that seeing this theory it an be said that all energy balsts are real. This Matter-Energy conversion also signifies that Phasing and Teleporting is possible.
Mathematical Proof...
Mass of a cup of tea(Cup exclusive)=100gm appx.
As E=mc2
Therefore E=0.1*(3*108)2
=0.1*9*1016
Therefore E=9*1015 Joules
And this is a heck lot of energy.
Learning such a great ability would be priceless.
With that much energy you guys are going to spontanously combust!!! [xx(]
Also remember that at the moment of death,the body looses some mass. So the from that you can argue that the spirit is energy. So it all kind of ties in.
Thank you Vikram and travelinbob for your assistance with my theory.
P.S. The true goal of this forum other than spreading the word of energy development should be to prove it with science so that it can be inagruable.
PLEASE REPLY I LIKE TO HEAR INPUT FROM OTHERS!!!!!!!
I would also like to add that since this energy-matter conversion is possible that physical damage could be attained if this was the purpose for the attack. For instance, making sort of a phsyical/spiritual by making the center of the energy attack solid and the greater outer shell just energy. This would give the physical substance more energy to feed off of for long distance attacks or just provide an extra boost for the physical attack. I say this because making a completely solid projectile out of energy would take a lot of energy. So, why not make the center hard and the attack at high speed so that it equals the same force as a bigger attack. Of course, I'm not telling anyone what to do. I still believe a big solid ball of energy is possible but, man it would be a drain. Although, this method would be great for improving energy works in the body. I mean think about it if you had a fully tailored body for energy then this sudden rush could be a great help to your energy development, i.e. conditioning your body to take in more energy when in rest and to also hold more energy when in training. Even if you only shot one projectile a day. Why you might ask does this work, well, it's just like when you lift weights. Your body adapts by making more muscle (stronger energy body) and your metabolism (bigger storage center) adapts by consuming more food(energy). Although I am saying this would be a extremely advanced technique but, what an effiecient energy builder when coupled with my original post.
P.S. I am not a violent person but I do like to think out all possiblities for a topic, thank you.
That's it!!!
I've thought about this idea before but who the heck can practice such a thing.
It will take years of constant practice to develop that kind of power. And giving so much time is practically impossibe. Well at the least impossible for me, beacuse of my studies...[:(]
If you think about it shooting a ki blast... it is still in its energy state but Jing(Compacted ki) is matter so I beleive your theory entirley. But then can you really measure energy in weight. Either way as vikram said it would be a awesome power to have.
Also if we took out all the energy in food wouldnt we explode... The human body has a carrying capasity for energy this can of course be streched but still...
I meant to say Jing Blast.
That is why we cannot take out all energy from food at the particluar time. We would have to train too much to increase our energy carrying power drastically and only then can we take all energy from food.
That will be extreee...eeemly difficult.
Actually I believe energy development to be like an avalanche. See it seems hard to us because, lets face it, were still pretty new.
So I believe once you get the avalanch going it just builds speed from there and moves quicker and gains more mass.
Just like RB said it would. NEW energy ways is slow and tedious at first then you get use to it and you can move energy all around your body all the time if you wish. I think that is a major improvement from just trying to get your toe to get a sensation.
Also once you start shocking your body with energy of a high magnitude, like when a bidy builder lifts 80% of his max. to become stronger, your body will become stronger. Everyday you can add on more energy and soon your body would even be used to that. Just like when body builders first start out they can only work out for three days a week, then it's every other day, then it can actually be everyday if done responsibly.
See where I am going, you take baby steps then you walk, then you run, then you fly(metaphorically or literally; take it as you wish).
Your Friend,
Follower of the Khuli
Although it might be possible to attain this power with a long, difficult and commited work, it might actually be more dangerous to the practitioner then the target. The amount of energy required to make even a small amount of solid matter from pure energy is even bigger than E=MC2 suggests. You must also remember the 3rd law of thermodynamics that states that entropy increases with time. In creating a solid object from pure energy you are reducing entropy, therefore an even larger amount of additional entropy must be created in order to stay in compliance with the principles of thermodynamics. This entropy would most likely be in the form of heat and it would cause the pratictoner to burst into flames. It would be like having a gun where the bullet is more massive then the gun itself. The one who fires it would be in more danger than the target.
The third law of thermodynamics is one of the bigest obstacle in subatomic particle accelerators due to the increasinlgy large amounts of energy required to collide particles to create just a few exotic particles for a few nanoseconds.
Plus if you spend so much time in this work, you are going to have to unbalance your life because you will giving up other parets of your life to this pursuit. That in itself is dangerous enough.
vikram88-
u said somewhere in this topic : I've thought about this idea before but who the heck can practice such a thing.
It will take years of constant practice to develop that kind of power. And giving so much time is practically impossibe
Well.... i know some poeple who practice for years and daily...
Shoalin Monks [:D] most of them start at the age of 4 and go on doing a hard training till say 45 or older.. ( They Are Good At Fighting And Ki Stuff
Yes travelinbob, I understand that the heat will be created out of a need for balance due to entropy. I also believe that this is only a concern if the energy-matter conversion is made within the body itself. Of course, you wouldn't do this because this would be like swallowing a rock. So to answer your problem, I propose to do the energy-matter conversion outside of the body. How, you might ask? Well I believe in the whole business of yi, (you know, your minds intent) so if you had enough control over your energy, which you should have obtained even before trying this technique then you should be able to safely expel energy from your body and condense it using your minds yi or telekinesis or whatever you wish to call it. This would allow for the extra energy or heat being produce from the changing of pure energy to matter to be expelled into the atmosphere harmlessly. Also you wouldn't want to make the whole orb a solid product, just the center for the effect. This saves time, energy, and diminishes the heat problem.
Then again, who knows how your body will react to the heat made from your own spiritual energy. Maybe your aura will act as some sort of exhaust and expel the heat harmlessly on its own.
P.S. With particle accelerators, the reason why it produces so much heat is that it changes particles into their subatomic state which creates radiation. Also, they take matter and turn it almost into energy and then back again to produce subatomic particles like mirror matter, L-particles, W-particles, etc. This kind of conversion produces a lot of heat because they accelerate to almost the speed of light. In my case though it is already energy and you are just trying to slow it down. So actually it would be more like when you plug a t.v. into a 110V socket and your t.v. turns that energy into 12V, this produces little heat (or radiation) to keep entropy [:)]. Therefore, by just creating the orb outside of your body you can release the little bit of heat and still produce the desired effect.
Wouldn't this technique be great for cold days!!![:D]
As an intelectual excercise it would be great. But if you really are out to hurt people (which I discourage for karmic reasons) you would do better just doing Psychic assasinations like the KGB apparently did by stopping a subject's heart. I guess a good and acheivable ki blast at the heart chakra would knock anyone on their butt.[xx(]
Also I read an Online manual once by someone who claimed to be an ex KGB psychic agent, that he used heat (energy) from his psyche to stimulate different emotions in people. If he directed the energy towards the genitals he would raise the subjects libido([;)]), or if he directed it to the solar plexus it would create anxiety.
And from I hear, the Tibetan monks go out in the middle of winter and spend a night in the Himalayas with little clothing and sleep nice and toasty.
I also saw a documentary in the Discovery Channel on Spontaneous Human Combustion that may support your theory.
I don't wish to hurt people but it could be a cool skill to have.
Yes I too have heard of the Tibetan monks. Actually I was thinking about them when I was writing about the heat problem.
The SHC you saw does support it but that probably has something to do with the malfunction of spirit energy being channeled wrong and creating too much heat inside the body. By the way, I'm not saying these people are using energy development either. It's probably more like their etheric body had been dammed up and the energy built to there was just too much and do to entropy they went up.
Thanks for the reply travelinbob
If you made a small blast at the tip of your finger or a large blast coming from your hands it would be the same effect cause they both need the same amount of energy to cause a large amount of damage. so that answers the question thats on every guys mine" Does size matter"
I dont think energy from food converts well into spiritual energy. I've found that electricity works better.
Travelinbob "Also remember that at the moment of death,the body looses some mass. So the from that you can argue that the spirit is energy"
How much mass does it lose? I've heard a spirit weighs 2 oz.
Actually psionics due to the laws of physics greater mass needs a greater force so depending on the size of the object thrown does depend on the amount of energy used.
Beavis, even if the spirit body weighs only 2 oz., and mind you that is probably a normal persons spirit, then even 1 oz. of energy would be enough to do the job (whatever that job is).
Spirit's Mass I heard was between 1 0r 2 oz. I do not remember exact figures. But I do remember I heard about it in a NDE documentary.
Follower of the Khuli:
On the SHC deal, A guy in the documentary put forth the idea of spontaneous Kundalini. Another using accupuncture terminology said that they might be caused by blocked energy paths gone totally out of whack (I believe that was the actuall technical term [:P]). Also a doctor mention the existance of nanofibers inside mitochondrias that may be working at a quantum level. Maybe these can be used to transfer metabolic energy into quantum energy and generate enough energy for this kind of work. If you create the Ki blast/bullet outside of your body, you still would have to generate your energy at a mitochondrial level inside your cells. I still believe you would heat up way to hi to survive physically. But yes I agree it would be very cool to do it.
So yes there is support for your idea. I just hope you dont explode in the process.[xx(] And don't let the CIA get to you and turn you into an assasin.[:P]
All anyone can do is try and see what happens. If it gets to the point where I start to over heat then maybe I will rethink my process.
Oh yeah, no CIA for me. No one other than the people on this forum and the my girlfriend will know if I can do this technique one day.
Khuli Follower you said that we have to materialise energy outside our bodies. But in phasing we have to convert our energy body itself into matter. Now if you pay attention to the entropy factor, this might burst the body!!!
Hmmm... wonder what will be it's solution?
This might sound a little unscientific but I believe with the entropy factor considered in the phasing question that the mind and body will somehow adapt to suit the person's needs.
The only thing I can say for certain is that time will tell.
Yes, it's really confusing.
We know that Phasing is possible.
So I will start looking into this.
Oh I forgot to respond to the issue about generating the energy in your mitochondria. Well it goes like this, if you generate all the energy and keep it in your body then yes you would be harmed. If you gradually take the energy out of your body while still generating the energy out your mitochondria then you will not be harmed. Some people might say well if you only can do it gradually then how will this be useful to someone attacking. Well in this sense gradually would only be a few seconds.
Even if this is possible, does it mean that we should do it? To me it does not seem to have any practical purpose other than showing off. I do not see how this would be a good self defense technique other than to maybe scare off any attackers. Maybe you can throw a fire ball at someone, what if you miss? How much energy does this drain from you? Can you create another one quickly? What if they are right in your face, will this be too close to use because it will hurt you as well? Just because you can do something does not mean that you should. If you are going to use energy as self defense I think it would be more useful to learn to manipulate another person's energy body so you can render them immobile and stop the attack without actually causing any damage to them.
First of all to manipulate another person's energy will be the most difficult thing ever possible.
Secondly there is a time for every move. So in physical defense you stress on defensing with physical body rather then attacking with energy. So I ask, What if the attacker is to too far? What if the attacker is hitting an energy blast on us? What if he is stronger than us physically?(Yeah Brainwork might work). So everything has it's own time and benefit.
I do not say that we will use this for attacking. You say what use is it!!! Tell me what use is NEW, OBE, Astral Projection etc. They are things that look paranormal to normal person so everyone wants to try and have a feeling what it looks like. These things have their own use. Some help in better concentration, some in growing awareness, some in energy development, some to know the true aspects of life and nature. Same here... Such energy development will increase your strenght, agility, energy development will automatically grow, chakra's will automatically stimulate and most of all you will realise what capabilities lie hidden in the human mind etc...
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First of all to manipulate another person's energy will be the most difficult thing ever possible.
Not really. That is what healers do, manipulate another's energy. Now if the person had knowledge of such things, then yes it probably would be difficult but otherwise I doubt it. Though I have not tried.
Vikram, I concur. Why skimp on any possible technique, why not be a well-rounded energy practitioner.
If you feel it is of benefit to yourself then by all means go for it.
You got me wrong dudes!!!
I'm not going into such things. Well not now exactly. I've to concentrate more on studies. I barely get time to do meditation. I just wanted to tell that this can be done and what might be it's practical uses.
As far as healers are concerned, yes they do perform energy manipulation of another persons body. But as far as I think they cannot get full control over their patients body making them very difficult even to move(Just like their bodies are frozen). Such technique will need a lot and I mean a lot of practice.
Converting food into spirit energy wouldn't be as hard as it may seem. You convert food into chemical and electrical energy all the time, so why couldn't you convert that already converted food into spiritual energy.
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Originally posted by vikram88
As far as healers are concerned, yes they do perform energy manipulation of another persons body. But as far as I think they cannot get full control over their patients body making them very difficult even to move(Just like their bodies are frozen). Such technique will need a lot and I mean a lot of practice.
I am just saying that since it is possible to manipulate another's energy body for healing, then one should be able to manipulate it to neutralize an attack temporarily. I would think that you are right in that it would take a lot of practice, but how much I cannot say since I have never tried to manipulate another's energy. Both, if possible, would require a lot of practice and development.
Yep, lots of practice.
The problem is that food is converted into chemical and electrical energy by machines. Now machines cannot convert food into spiritual energy. This has to be done by our mind. So it becomes very difficult. More difficult than the words 'very difficult'.
I was reading the Quantum Metaphysics forum and it reminded me of a thought process that I had awhile back.
Now Einstein stated that E=MC2. This basically means that energy can be altered into matter (e.g. photosynthesis or the intake of radiation from the sun to produce vitamin D) and matter can be turned into energy (e.g. nuclear weapons).
Now this works with all energy and matter including spiritual energy. This means every energy attack is possible. The only problem is getting enough energy to turn into matter. Now they say that about 80 pounds of energy is all that is needed to destroy the world if it were converted directly into energy. If you haven't heard that one then I'm sure you have heard the one about a cup of hot coffee having enough energy to boil all the oceans.
With this in mind why could it not be possible for energy practitioners to take all of the energy out of food. Now I don't mean a little energy I mean all of it. There would be nothing left. For more clarification, the average teenager takes in something like 12% of what he eats and adults take in something like 3% of what they eat. Maybe this is related to our spiritual development, as well (e.g. teenagers having more psychic abilities, teens have more telekinetic abilities, etc.) If we could raise the intake of energy from our food then I believe our spiritual energy intake will also rise. Now if this could be done then I'm sure there would be plenty of energy to make energy attacks and it wouldn't be so consuming. This being said makes the idea that energy attacks are improbable lose all ground.