Falun Dafa, and hi level qigong

[Tom]

How much does the energetic "device" to collect energy cost? How do you know if it is working properly? If for whatever reason it does not help, is that your fault or do you get a refund?

It sounds more like a cult than real quigong.

[Tarconiss]

AAAHHHKK!!!... why..... dont... i...... remember this....... * feeling like pulling his hair out *.... I've come across that name, and that word Falun Dafa before...... but for some reason i can't remember from where, for the life of me...... i'm sorry..... uuhh... i'll try looking through some search engines to try and find something on it again..... I don't remember anything about a device though... but a question that im more wondering about, is what does it use for energy, in order to develop itself into a better energy, and how much is needed for an entire body....

[Tarconiss]

found something.... www.falundafa.org i think... oh.. and something else that I began to think about.... technically; if one was to continuously trying to make they're life, physically, energetically, mentally, and spiritually better or healthier.... while you progress through your life, slowly but surely your natural atomic structure will develop to a higher level on its own.... and with the right mental coaxing, a person could take sugar pills daily while practicing whatever lifestyle one might chose to better themselves, and have themselves beleive that the 'pill a day' will help to enhance that progression.... and you know what... it really will, if they could convince themself so... I guess what im trying to say is, with the right mindset, someone can tap into thier subconcious to help make themself better than they previously were, also while performing any method that promotes -insert function here-'s growth.

But in any case... I hope i may have helped out, in any, with the website...

[jason]

his services are free,and he speaks against anyone who get into qigong for $ or social status (but then he SELLS his books-what's the hell's that about?).I know virtually nothing about qigong-perhaps you all can fill me in?[]it seems like it could help in astral projection and in other areas of life as well.his book is interesting, but it does aproach cult mentality in places (he says he is the ONLY ONE who teaches qigong from such a high level).he also talks about raising our level of moral character (xinxing)-and hence our level of conciousness through suffering, and the right approach to conflict and physical exercise (yoga,martial arts,although I haven't gotten to that chapter yet).here's a good question-I wonder exactly what kind of "suffering" does he have in mind?[:O] that's why I posted-a wierd,but interesting read.useful if genuine,enlightening if not.

[kifyre]

I think at the lower levels it's gentle, effective, qigong, and at the higher levels a brainwashing cult. (This doesn't excuse the actions of the Chinese government, of course.)

I personally believe comparable teachings are available in many, many, many other places.

Mark

[jason]

I also noticed that there are many completely different cultures around the world who basically teach the same things, using different teminology-without being a cult! I think I'll stick with those![]

[Brian Hacking]

Actually Jason,  you can download the books for free also.

 All practice sessions are free, as are the books and video seminars.   If you want to find out what he is teaching just download a book and read some - they are at http://www.falundafa.org/eng/books.htm

 Just because they teach for free does not mean that they are 'hiding' costs elsewhere or are a cult.  Although some teachers are very arrogant in that they think they have the 'Only' way,  but people are just like that - when they find a way that works for them,  they think that it is THE way.

  My Kung Fu and Qigong teacher only charged 10-20 dollars a month depending on how many students he had.   This was to pay for the electricity and heating of the studio, nothing more.  I would suggest that the reason he sells his book are to pay for the costs of printing etc...  and the publisher probably wants money also.  But you can still get the content of the books for free.

I just downloaded the first book and will let you know what I think after I have read some.

With Love
Brian

[jason]

thanks for the info,Brian![8D]

[Brian Hacking]

No problem Jason.

[Tom]

Now that I have read a little bit of "Zhuan Falun" I am returning the copy to the library unfinished. It said that the reason that it is higher level than quigong is that teachers of quigong focus entirely on increasing the health of the physical body and are not interested in anything spiritual. It said that instead of working toward enlightenment quigong focusses on collecting a low quality of energy. It said that quigong is a waste of time because everything it works toward comes quickly as a side effect of real cultivation.

[jason]

I also thought that was a very arrogant thing to say,especially for such an "enlightened" person.I disagree that "normal" qigong isn't about anything spiritual.I'm not saying I know a lot about it, but I do know that EVERYTHING is/can be spiritual.that includes anything from taking a dump to studying qigong (what exactly is it anyway? the author only describes it in histerms!) to playing the guitar to staring at a rock,etc,etc ad infinatum.It is a highly individual thing.He also makes many other statements in that book that make me realize that the author is arrogant and severly closed minded as to ways to gain awareness- "I am the only one with the right way,everthing else is crap!"[!]

it's all rediculous...I don't even care about that stuff anymore, after reading most of the book.

REAL qigong does sounds interesting though...just as long as the teacher is legitamite. not just a communist cult dictator.

[Tom]

There are a lot of side effects in seeking enlightenment through meditation, energy work, etc. The faster the path the harder the obstacles are hit. Quigong approaches the problem by training the body and the energy from the beginning so that the side effects will not be so strong and getting through them is faster. A healthier body and a longer life allow for an easier pursuit of spiritual matters. There have been many cases of Zen Buddhists crippling themselves by harsh spiritual practices and they have had to go to Taoists for help. Books on Theravada Buddhism also sometimes mention knee surgery from spending too much time in the lotus posture after forcing it instead of letting it develop slowly.

[jason]

is anyone familiar with this topic?.I am reading a book called "zhuan falun" by Li Hongzhi (could be wrong spelling).he claims to be the only teacher teaching qigong on from a level as high as his (not just for physical fitness-but for trancendance of conciousness).He speaks about developing beyond the level of qi to the level of gong.He states that he inserts an energetic "device" that collects gong (powerful vital energy),as slowly transforms every atom in your body to a higher energetic level.I have just started reading the book and was wondering if anyone has some knowledge of falun dafa? or has heard of the book, or author?