Asking for help with the not-NEW method

[BDawgPHD]

i have been practicing ki for a while, and i have had a little trouble.

im not too good at meditating, but ill get along

i really havent gotten the hang of doing a ki flame.

can anyone help me out?



btw this looks like the highimpacthalo forum  lol






EDIT:  i renamed it to make it look more like a question than a random post.  plus i mentioned that i need help with the methods that differ with NEW, since i train with the visualization methods.

[You]

Ki Flame? Are you looking for Pyrokinesis or something? I didn't even know NEW covered that...

[BDawgPHD]

this is different from NEW (NEW was made for people who had trouble with visualizing, but i was used to visualizing, so NEW was too hard for me).  has anyone practiced with anything different than NEW?

btw ki flame isnt pyrokinesis, its regular ki training, its pretty basic, which is why i need help so bad.

[karnautrahl]

With your visualising-do you actually get sensations of energy movement within the physical body?. All the solid energy training disciplines do intend for the practitioner to manipulate energy through the mindbody interaction-NOT just in their heads. Visualisation is usually intended to cause a sensation of moving energy-as that feedback is necessary.

Can you describe how you are attempting to make "ki flame" at all? If you can detail the method perhaps one of us will know more of what you are after and be able to give you some solid advice.

I've never heard of "ki flame" as a basic or advanced practice in any real energy training-unless it's a metaphor for something else?

[BDawgPHD]

http://www.geocities.com/thekiwarrior87/


there is a site that has visual techniques

ki flame is on there.  u cant really help me if u dont know what it is, i need someone who does


thanx for trying tho.

i have gotten places with this but i cant do the ki flame.

[karnautrahl]

I have to say,

This technique will raise your agility, speed, and strength, as well as make your ki flow more easily and smoothly. To start out, get into any stance you are comfortable with. Now, start drawing in ki with deep breaths through your nose and visualizing it entering your body. When you feel you have a sufficient amount of energy, visualize it flowing inside of your body, ready to explode. Then, visualize it moving, creating a glow around you, and then exploding outside of your body, surrounding you in flames. Make these flames of ki surround you and keep them moving from inside you to outside of you, and then back in, in a cycle. If you merely explode the energy outside of you and forget about it, then it's not going to do you any good - it will just waste energy. When you're doing that, you can tense your muscles if you want, or you can remain completely relaxed. It doens't make a difference, but whatever way works easiest for you is best. Just think and concentrate on the fact that it is powering you up. Use your ishi (your will power) to make it happen. If you do this right, you may feel a little warm/tingly/electric sensation around your whole body. This power up also helps prevents burn outs, and since it makes your ki flow more easily, it makes it much easier to perform the ki ball technique, when first starting out.

That this I can do easily, in fact I have to before doing physical training as some of my exercises are little too hard for me otherwise . Only I simply feel this, like having an internal set of muscles. The NEW system would say bounce your energy through your body faster and faster until you reach the point where you can't keep "touch" with it. Then slow it down and increase your mental effort.
You might want to skip ahead to microcosmic orbit by the way, you can generate a lot of sensation in the spine with it.
How long have you been working on this site. There is a reason I ask. I've only briefly looked it over, and despite their use of DBZ(!!) they are presenting some techniques that could work for learning to sense and move energy. However you want to build your energy body systematically. If you've been working a few days then you'll need a fair bit more time. If however you've spent some weeks on this then a "feeling" for the flame technique shouldn't be too far out.

I will post more opinion once I've had time to evaluate the site properly however. The microcosmic orbit is a technique from Mantak Chia's work. Don't rush yourself in this, seriously. If your are trying super hard too soon you can build a fragile energy body which makes burnouts much more likely.  Hence why NEW is useful as that goes through this stuff methodically. I'm willing to take the time to help further if our time zones allow it. You can message me on msn messenger easily enough, if I'm at the pc I will reply. I think I can work with you to help you with this stage at least.

[edit] There are later techniques on the site that on first reading still end up belonging to the realm of dragonballZ LOL. That doesn't reduce the value of the exercises that do work. Just seems a little odd to have such a strange hybrid of useful information and "far out" information.

[BDawgPHD]

it is kinda like a lot of DBZ, but it does help.  i havent been consistent with ki that much cuz of time, but i have made progress, with ki balls and drawing energy.  its just i never quite progressed with the ki flame.  i think with consistent practice i may get it.

btw theres a site with ACTUAL DBZ moves, like kamehameha and big bang and stuff, which is listed as like advanced moves (kamehameha is like intermediate or something)

i havent really been rushing this or tried the advanced moves ahead of time.  ive been on the beginner section forever, so i know im not rushing it.


thanks a lot man

[You]

Just remember that their being on the Internet doesn't necessarily mean they're real, I've never seen anyone throw a fireball.

[BDawgPHD]

ive checked a bunch of sites, and pretty much do the basics, like ki balls and ki flames (well not good at those lol)

[Logic]

oh god, DBZ..

[heter]

LOL. I love Dbz crap like this. Well atleast that sites techniques names aren't as bad as kamehameha and what not. Like this site. http://theteachingsofki.tripod.com/

Watch his powering up videos. It's pretty funny how he changes the color of the screen to make it look like energy.