Sub navel energy storage

[heter]

Hey. I have been trying to raise energy using the full body technique in Astral Dynamics. I have done it a few times and all of a sudden I don't get as strong a feeling of the energy rising up my legs and back that I did before. It just feels very light. Also when I make the energy enter the sub navel energy storage I don't feel anything special ever. I try to imagine it is sucking the energy in.Thats all i do is imagine it, should I forcefully make it enter by sort of making my awareness enter it, then flick it back a few inches away and enter it again?  Is it possible I am not doing the whole process right?

I have also noticed I never got very strong sensations when I started NEW. Is there a reason for this?

[boydster]

You sound like you have the same type of experiences I had after about a month of NEW practice.

I too was a little frustrated about not being able to feel the energy all the way into the sub-naval storage center. The way I improved this was to sit and gather energy for about two hours. After the first hour I started to really notice a full, agitated feeling--kind of like, "I've gotta pee" or something. I kept going and after another hour or so I started to really get whacked out in a psychic way. My abdoman was thumping hard at a 2Hz frequency and I simply had to stop.

I found that after overdoing it to the point of really being able to feel that storage center I was able to get a handle on the pathway there and pull energy into it in a more deliberate way. I can clearly remember that feeling and I try to reproduce that feeling now in order to get fast results.

I would encourage you to stick with it and build some momentum by doing it every day. I find that if I skip some days it's a lot harder to "prime the pump" so to speak. Whereas, if I do some every day or twice a day, it's easy to get into a rapid, effective energy gathering action almost instantly, any time I need it.

Good luck!! It's worth the effort--

[heter]

You mean you did the full body circuit for 2 hours?

[karnautrahl]

Wow marathon! I wish I was that disciplined mentally!

[Tom]

There are times when things are very active and changes occur rapidly, but these cannot be sustained. They are followed by periods when nothing seems to be going on, and these are times when preparations are going on under the surface for the next period of rapid growth and new experiences. The important thing is to find ways to sustain your interest when it seems like nothing is going on. Trying new varieties of the usual way of doing things is a good way to do this. Tactile Imaging offers a lot of possibilities and it is easy to pick one or two favorites like stirring and bouncing. During the times when nothing seems to be going on, you might want to experiment with some of the varieties you do not normally use. When that gets to be too routine, you can always combine other things like stimulating acupressure points or working with some of the secondary chakras which might not have had direct attention recently. The important thing is to just maintain your interest in your practice. It is not necessary to spend many times what you normally do just to avoid losing ground; it only feels like it is necessary.

[Michael_E]

something ive done that has helped with sensation in the navel is to feel as if your intestines are spiraling. For some reason feeling as if organs are moving helps with pretty much any energy sensation i am trying to enhance ie. if there is congestion in the head i feel/imagine as if my brain is melting down out of my head through my face neck and torso, to gather in the navel feel intestines turning, for rooting feel your bone structure and feel it sinking into the ground starting with the feet.

[biggymatt]

It seems to me that this may also just be an awareness focus thing.  What I mean by this is that you may loose your focus for a second as your moving the energy around and then regaining it a few inches away from where you left off, essentially leaving the energy behind.  
I've done this several times in the beginning and well I still do it if I don't pay close attention.  You can flick your awareness back a few inches to try and pick up where you left off or just wait till you come back around on the next circuit and pick it back up.

[heter]

It seems to me that this may also just be an awareness focus thing.  What I mean by this is that you may loose your focus for a second as your moving the energy around and then regaining it a few inches away from where you left off, essentially leaving the energy behind.  
I've done this several times in the beginning and well I still do it if I don't pay close attention.  You can flick your awareness back a few inches to try and pick up where you left off or just wait till you come back around on the next circuit and pick it back up.

I lost track of it alot :\. Sometimes I can't even feel it in my head and on my face.

[dreamosis]

I've personally found that a lot of heavy energy sensations are caused by the resistance that you meet in running energy.  So, after a month of doing regular energy work, it would be natural for the energy to feel lighter--because there is less resistance, and it is running more smoothly.  

It may just take another short while for you to become sensitive to energy running when it's smooth and not hitting a block.  

So, not feeling it as intensely could be a good sign.

Also, I've definitely found that (for me) there is ebb and flow with energy awareness.  The more I do energy work, the more sensitive I become.  But there are also periods wherein I'm dealing with so much energy that my system becomes overwhelmed and I'm not able to feel energy as intensely for a while.  In fact, it seems that the more sensitive you are, the more prone you are to going through periods of being overwhelmed.  

The only ticket I have found is to continue raising energy--even if I don't feel it--until some sensation starts to come back.  It might take a couple of days.  

There are rhythms with everything, I think--including awareness of energy.  

I've found the same to be true, most definitely, with seeing energy.  I go through periods wherein it's extremely easy to focus on clouds of color around people, and then there are times when it seems to be an effort.  I have to ground, meditate and raise energy to do it sometimes.  

There are seasons for everything...

-Dreamosis

[boydster]

You mean you did the full body circuit for 2 hours?

No, I was just pulling energy in through my legs and directly into my sub-naval storage area. I do this all the time while watching TV.

I find that a simple motion such as energy moving in through the feet, up the legs and into the belly, when consciously practiced a for a few minutes and linked to each inbreath will become a subconscious activity which just goes on and on if you will it so. For instance, if I do this during the first 5-10 minutes of a movie, I can then relax and watch the movie with very little attention on my energy gathering--but it continues with each breath for as long as I want.

If I want to circulate energy throughout my body such as is done in the full body circuit, I have to concentrate more and it's harder to watch TV. It is good practice with concentration though, moving in and out with ones awareness.

[NealC]

Ive been thinking.....

Is it necessary to use your breath to move energy around the body or is it just as effective to use your mind and sense of feeling alone.

Im into my 3rd week and find that sometimes when doing the energy raising, i have inhaled a full breath before i have feelings of energy arriving at my head. This doesnt allow for a natural breathing pattern.

I can do it fine if just feeling my way around with the mind alone.

Any thoughts??

[andonitxo]

Ive been thinking.....

Is it necessary to use your breath to move energy around the body or is it just as effective to use your mind and sense of feeling alone.

Im into my 3rd week and find that sometimes when doing the energy raising, i have inhaled a full breath before i have feelings of energy arriving at my head. This doesnt allow for a natural breathing pattern.

I can do it fine if just feeling my way around with the mind alone.

Any thoughts??

Hello there,

I had the same problem with energy movement and respiration synchronization. At first I thought it could be a problem and I tried to coordinate both factors, but it was quite inoperative for me, that's why I do new in a non coordinated way. I just forget about breathing and concentrate my efforts on elevating energy. And it works fine. I'm not going to say it is the ideal way to practice but it's better not to stop up.

With my back it happened a similar thing. I didn't feel energy correctly in it so I got really burdened because I saw the days going away without doing any advance. Maybe that system of weeks in the astral projection book is an ordered manner to face the matter, but I use to need my own space, so when I get burdened I just forget the planning and I focus on the problem at hand. Finally, I resolved my back's supposed insensibleness, but I lost the train and instead of being in week 6th, I'm on 3rd

Anyway, cloud breating is a good way to absorb energy from the air. This way I absorb as many energy I may need and then I concentrate on energy raising.

What has been said in the very first posts is a great true. Our subconscious mind likes a lot to be programmed, and anchoring breath to the elevating process established a good mechanism, or a trigger, to improve the technique for further occasions. Sometimes it is just a matter of assuming and things start to pop up.

Whilst walking I assume that in every foot landing I take energy from earth. The first 10 minutes for sure that I don't feel a great thing but after a prudential concentration effort on feet they start to activate. And those common sensations of energy that I feel while doing new sat down arrive while walking too I alarmed a bit the first time I did it, because I'm not accustomed to receive so much energy in the path from the office to home withoug relaxing down. Just try, if it's worked for me it'll work for you too.

And the last thing. It happened to me too that after some time of working, my legs' sensations faded a bit. To solve this inconvenience I repeat the entire process of activating (toes, feet,... as if I'd be a novice) some days a week (about 2). Inner massaging sensations don't delay to appear and they come even stronger and more joyful (I get much pleasure with this internal massage).

Hope my experience can help. Greetings.

[boydster]

Ive been thinking.....

Is it necessary to use your breath to move energy around the body or is it just as effective to use your mind and sense of feeling alone.

Im into my 3rd week and find that sometimes when doing the energy raising, i have inhaled a full breath before i have feelings of energy arriving at my head. This doesnt allow for a natural breathing pattern.

I can do it fine if just feeling my way around with the mind alone.

Any thoughts??

I agree with Andoni--it's not necessary to link energy gathering to breath.

I think it's a good place to start when you're just beginning though. As RB says,"there is a natural link between the action of energy intake and physical breathing" (paraphrased because I'm too lazy to look it up).

But I'd be the first one to say it's a good idea to train yourself to absorb and circulate energy without the benefit of the breath. The most intense energy gathering I've ever experienced was as a result of practicing  creating a "vacuum" in my gut and pulling a torrent of energy in through my legs. I pulled so hard that it created an intense burning sensation in my groin where I evidently had a constriction in the energy path.

At the other end of the spectrum, I've been practicing a lot lately with the more traditional Hindu pranayama--gathering prana with scientific breathing. One benefit of this is that it shoots a stream of energy by some critical brain parts such as the pineal and pituitary as it rushes through the nasal passages. It gives you a hell of a rush and can serve to energize these anchor points so they are more easily able to receive stimulations from their etheric counterparts, the upper chakras. In other words, it makes you more clairvoyant and psychic.

A simple version of this is as follows: Breath in through the nostrils to a slow count of 4, being sure to fill all parts of the lungs. While doing this maintain a visualization of inhaling a luminous cloud of light energy. If you don't do the visualization you will still inhale some energy but not very much. If you visualize the cloud of energy coming in to your body, the prana, which is very sensitive to our thoughts and desires, will be magnetized to us in a far greater density. When the lungs are full, hold it in for the same slow 4 count and direct the energy into the sub-naval storage site or circulate it around in your body or whatever.  Exhale to the same slow 4 count, expelling all the air completely--but not the prana. Another thing you can do here is visualize exhaling a dark cloud of metabolic waste or "stress" or something else you want to get rid of. Then hold the lungs empty for the same slow 4 count. Repeat as many times as you like. I've found that I can do this while engaged in many other activities without compromising either.

An alternate of this is to feel and visualize the prana being hijacked out of the stream of air while transiting the nasal passages so that all the energy gets pulled directly into the cranial cavity and upper chakras.

[Hagcin]

In all forms of Yoga (Taoist or Hindu) focus on the connection of breath and movement.  The act of playing attention to breath even while energy raising energy calms the nerves system, and puts one in a light trance state rather quickly. The simplest of Buddhist meditations involves nothing more than counting breaths. This is a concentration meditation used to get the body ready for other more advanced meditations. I don't know what kind of benefits this has in NEW as Bruce seems to suggest we should be raising energy out of trance state. I find this rather hard to do for any long period of time my self, I do notice if I do go too deep into relaxation it does make it harder for me to get energy moment sensations, or they feel sort of disconnected. Practices such as tai-chi, and chi-kung, Taoist meditations and yoga, seem to really encourage this state of mind. It was from Taoist thought which Chan (Zen) Buddhism was developed, and they are all about living in that relaxed state of mind.

[Banjoshee]

I don't have anything to add, just wanted to say thanks all. This thread and all your comments have given me lots to contemplate. I too have been wondering about breath and energy movement.

[knucklebrain1970]

I'm starting to get into NEW, but haven't disciplined a routine yet. I can't feel anything with any previous methods I've tried, perhaps new will help.. I've never been able to feel energy except with this bizarre method of healing I do on my wife. I stand or sit and vision energy coming up through my feet through my heart and I hold my hands to the air. I envision this as an external energy and after a couple minutes my hands begin to pulsate and tingle. At first I thought this might be blood rushing to my hands but thing I thought "IDIOT" your hands are in the air, not down by my sides.  I then feel like a pulsing in my hands and chest and I move my hands over the affected area and begin to heal so to speak. My wife's years of flat foot pain have gone away, so maybe I'm on to something. However when I do chakra exercises I feel nothing? Is this perhaps because am able to channel energy but not as easily store it? Why does it have to be so damn difficult? I'm not an ant for God sake  

However I can't expect much from only getting into this whole realm of spirituality about 3 months ago

Kevin

[Hagcin]

I've never been able to feel energy except with this bizarre method of healing I do on my wife.
Kevin

Yeah NEW should help you feel energy. It just takes a while to become sensitive to it. Once your body gets used to  channeling energy it will become  easy.

If you want to know what it is like to move energy around your body i suggest trying chi-kung. your can find tones of video tapes and DVD's online. But once you finish a session try some NEW the energy you generate from chi-kung helped me jump start my NEW practices.

Astanga yoga seems to promote energy sensations after practice, I found chi-kung (probably depends on the type though, iv been learning Chan style)  to be much more complimentary though.

[MadLordNad]

I've personally found that a lot of heavy energy sensations are caused by the resistance that you meet in running energy.  So, after a month of doing regular energy work, it would be natural for the energy to feel lighter--because there is less resistance, and it is running more smoothly.  

It may just take another short while for you to become sensitive to energy running when it's smooth and not hitting a block.  

So, not feeling it as intensely could be a good sign.
-Dreamosis

That's actually a great analogy if you consider electricity makes things hot when it encounters more resistance -- like a light bulb or electric oven.