Sugar and Caffeine and Unhealthy Diet

[neutrino]

Organically produced eggs bought from a shop are better than the factory farmed variety, if you can't keep your own hens.

[andonitxo]

-About meat, fish and eggs the only thing I could say is that it's a non ethical, non ecological and non healthy practice to use them as food. I'd read about this fact but my doubts were ever more evident when some months ago I read "The astral body" by Arthur Powell in which a more "universal" viewpoint is given. On the other hand, fats, waste and hormones found in fleshy food contribute to nerve deterioration and dullness (specially compared to an enlightened mind state).

You are wrong about meat and fish. Eating standard amounts of meat helps build muscle mass, and is perfectly healthy. Human body is designed in such way that we are omnivores, and we should eat both meat and vegetables. But you are right, eating meat IS unethical, and that's why I am vegetarian. Of course I've started being vegetarian when I was 17, and it would be really bad decision to do it earlier. But what's the ethical problem with eggs?

Dear veg fellow:

I'm afraid I don't agree with you.

Our bodies are full of contradictions which who know why they're there, but one thing is sure: our bowels are not omnivorous but clearly vegetarian. If you analyze what's the length of an omnivorous' bowel you'll see it is extremely short. Why this design?, because meat based digestions cause a highly acidic wastes which must be expelled from the digestive track before hurting it. Acid related illnesses are widespread in our society due to this fact: digestive intolerance, gout, premature aging, some cancers, and the like. A brief analysis of other cultures shows us that high vegetable and low animal-source food composed diets are healthier, as it is Japanese diet or yogic one. Japanese people know well what foods to add to their daily meals in order to alkalize them (e.g. seaweeds...). So although our teeth are carnivorous our bowels are vegetarian.

About muscle building you already know proteins are in veg food, specially nuts, legumes and some other special foods (as brewer's yeast). All those ads on TV exciting people to consume meat, eggs and milk to build muscle and bone is just a market trick to sell as much product as they can.

Maybe you should also read about meat's influence on the astral body. Buddha said right this: if you want to attain enlightment you'll have to give up eating animals, even milk.

And about your question on eggs the only thing I can say is: would you eat your mothers ovules?, don't you see unethical to jail hens in precarious conditions and cut their picks to just only produce eggs?.

Best regards.

[CaCoDeMoN]

Dear veg fellow:

I'm afraid I don't agree with you.

Our bodies are full of contradictions which who know why they're there, but one thing is sure: our bowels are not omnivorous but clearly vegetarian. If you analyze what's the length of an omnivorous' bowel you'll see it is extremely short. Why this design?, because meat based digestions cause a highly acidic wastes which must be expelled from the digestive track before hurting it. Acid related illnesses are widespread in our society due to this fact: digestive intolerance, gout, premature aging, some cancers, and the like. A brief analysis of other cultures shows us that high vegetable and low animal-source food composed diets are healthier, as it is Japanese diet or yogic one. Japanese people know well what foods to add to their daily meals in order to alkalize them (e.g. seaweeds...). So although our teeth are carnivorous our bowels are vegetarian.

About muscle building you already know proteins are in veg food, specially nuts, legumes and some other special foods (as brewer's yeast). All those ads on TV exciting people to consume meat, eggs and milk to build muscle and bone is just a market trick to sell as much product as they can.

Maybe you should also read about meat's influence on the astral body. Buddha said right this: if you want to attain enlightment you'll have to give up eating animals, even milk.

I don't have enough information to argue about our digestion system, and that's true that carnivores have much shorter bowels, so you are probably right about that.

And about your question on eggs the only thing I can say is: would you eat your mothers ovules?, don't you see unethical to jail hens in precarious conditions and cut their picks to just only produce eggs?.

Ovules don't have nearly anything to do with eggs, if you don't believe, check the structure of egg, and compare it to ovule. And what do you mean by jailing hens? On my farm they walk on 500m2 of my backyard, and seem to be really happy of their life. Hen can't live longer than 1 year in cage, but these on my farm live more 3 years and only one died.
And could you explain what means "cut their picks"? My english is bad, and I haven't found this in english dictionary.

[andonitxo]

Ovules don't have nearly anything to do with eggs, if you don't believe, check the structure of egg, and compare it to ovule.

I do know what an ovule is. But an ovule's function and an egg's one is the same.

And what do you mean by jailing hens? On my farm they walk on 500m2 of my backyard, and seem to be really happy of their life. Hen can't live longer than 1 year in cage, but these on my farm live more 3 years and only one died.

Your hens are fortunate but in most places that's a condition not fulfilled. Industry-related egg production use to put hens in little cages from where they take out their heads just to eat some chemical fodder. Lights are also controlled to alter their reality conception and make them produce more.

And could you explain what means "cut their picks"? My english is bad, and I haven't found this in english dictionary.

Sorry, maybe my babylon translator is not so accurate as it should. By "pick" I meant the "mouth" of the hen. Being jailed they get nervous and can be hurt by themselves or by others with their sharp "picks", so they are  removed (just the tip). As you can see they become production machines.

[You]

Animals will suffer whether or not we eat them. I do think it is cruel, and I feel guilty about distancing myself from this death.

This is why I'd like to go deer hunting with a spear sometime. Rending the flesh of the animals first hand should give me a taste of whether or not I deserve to eat meat.

As for milk, no one suffers from that, all animals drink it at birth, what's wrong about suckling from the proverbial teats of other creatures? Milk has healthy qualities, even after one is mature enough not to need it. Why should we abstain when we can cause the creatures to produce more than needed for their calves? It would go to waste otherwise.

[Wells]

Thing is, our appendix has become redundant, which usually would digest the cellulose walls in plant cells.  Most plant matter we eat goes straight through us, although it still acts as a "fibrous" part of our diet, cleaning the digestive system as it passes through.

[CaCoDeMoN]

I do know what an ovule is. But an ovule's function and an egg's one is the same.

I didn't questioned your knowledge, but what you are saying is illogical, "function" is not equal to "structure" and whole implication fails. And there's ovule INSIDE the egg. It's size is less than 1mm, and not the whole egg. Rest of the egg is used as food for growing chicken.

Your hens are fortunate but in most places that's a condition not fulfilled. Industry-related egg production use to put hens in little cages from where they take out their heads just to eat some chemical fodder. Lights are also controlled to alter their reality conception and make them produce more.

Yes, I know this, and that's the reason I would not buy eggs in the shop.

Sorry, maybe my babylon translator is not so accurate as it should. By "pick" I meant the "mouth" of the hen. Being jailed they get nervous and can be hurt by themselves or by others with their sharp "picks", so they are removed (just the tip). As you can see they become production machines.

Now I understand. When I was a child the hens were property of my grandmother. She is a human only from biological point of view. From psychological point of view she's a horrible creature getting pleasure from cruelly tormenting people and animals. She loved to broke bones in hen's wings, she cut their beaks sometimes even with the part of their tongues, and of course killed them in such place so the other hens would see it. And you know what's most horrible part? The cut off head of hen opened and closed it's mouth continuously for a few seconds trying to scream, and I've seen this when I've been 7 years old. The rest of hen flapped it's wings and moved for about 5 minutes. WITHOUT A HEAD! We don't let her do anything like this now, because her husband is dead now, and she has no way to decide about anything. We don't cut hens beaks now, because they don't attack eachother and are very peaceful animals.

[You]

Owch... I'm glad my grandma's had arthritis as long as I can remember...

[andonitxo]

Animals will suffer whether or not we eat them. I do think it is cruel, and I feel guilty about distancing myself from this death.

This is why I'd like to go deer hunting with a spear sometime. Rending the flesh of the animals first hand should give me a taste of whether or not I deserve to eat meat.

As for milk, no one suffers from that, all animals drink it at birth, what's wrong about suckling from the proverbial teats of other creatures? Milk has healthy qualities, even after one is mature enough not to need it. Why should we abstain when we can cause the creatures to produce more than needed for their calves? It would go to waste otherwise.

Yea, animals will suffer anyway. But you're not watching the big picture: you're not an animal, or at least no so beasty. I mean you can choose between killing an animal or respecting it; an animal doesn't have an enough developed mind to reason that. We're here talking about astral worlds and spiritual beings but lots go on thinking in an earthly manner.

Without entering in so deep dissertations I'll answer you about milk.  When we are babies are bodies are prepared to digest our mum's milk. If I'm not wrong there's a gland called "timmus" located in the chest and which secretes special substances to break down milk. As we grow older its functioning slows down. At 20 our body just can't digest it so digestive process gets longer in time and bacterial equilibrium breaks in the bowels. Why?, because a half digested milk is the perfect medium in which grow harmful bacteria. If you add to this a warm and humid environment you can conclude that a glass of milk is a little bomb.

Greetings.

[andonitxo]

I didn't questioned your knowledge, but what you are saying is illogical, "function" is not equal to "structure" and whole implication fails. And there's ovule INSIDE the egg. It's size is less than 1mm, and not the whole egg. Rest of the egg is used as food for growing chicken.

I know you're not questioning my knowledge. What I mean is that basically everyform of an egg is a protochild, be human or animal. From my viewpoint is an aberration to consume eggs of anykind. That remembers me a snake stealing eggs from a bird, or a primeval guy trying to be stronger dining their enemy's hearths.

Logically thought, an egg, the sperm and all life-creating related cells must have some kind of special quality. Don't missunderstand me, this is not a sermon or antiabortion movement, but if we are so concerned with "energies" and energy work it is logical to conclude that a liver cell is quite differente from an ovule cell.

Now I understand. When I was a child the hens were property of my grandmother. She is a human only from biological point of view. From psychological point of view she's a horrible creature getting pleasure from cruelly tormenting people and animals. She loved to broke bones in hen's wings, she cut their beaks sometimes even with the part of their tongues, and of course killed them in such place so the other hens would see it. And you know what's most horrible part? The cut off head of hen opened and closed it's mouth continuously for a few seconds trying to scream, and I've seen this when I've been 7 years old. The rest of hen flapped it's wings and moved for about 5 minutes. WITHOUT A HEAD! We don't let her do anything like this now, because her husband is dead now, and she has no way to decide about anything. We don't cut hens beaks now, because they don't attack eachother and are very peaceful animals.

Well, our grandparents have a completely different point of view. My ones knew starvation when they suffered the spanish civil war. Everything was good for eating and no animal was safe from being beheaded. If you see this theatre since childhood it is more likely you're going to mimic this behaviour later with no moral problem.

I've been investigating diets for 10 years. After a lot of tests on my own body my inferences have led me to veganism. If you read about diet and spirituality (i.e. buddhism, essenes, yoga, new age) you'll discover they all advice veganism or lactovegetarianism in order to achieve some kind of spiritual progress.

Regards.

[CaCoDeMoN]

Logically thought, an egg, the sperm and all life-creating related cells must have some kind of special quality. Don't missunderstand me, this is not a sermon or antiabortion movement, but if we are so concerned with "energies" and energy work it is logical to conclude that a liver cell is quite differente from an ovule cell.

Ovule cell is like any other even from metaphysical point of view. It is only like a computer program until it starts dividing, then it become an organism. And remember that ovule cell is less than .001% of egg. The rest was designed to be used as food.

Well, our grandparents have a completely different point of view. My ones knew starvation when they suffered the spanish civil war. Everything was good for eating and no animal was safe from being beheaded. If you see this theatre since childhood it is more likely you're going to mimic this behaviour later with no moral problem.

My other grandparents(parents of my mother) also knew what hunger was. They had to hunt/kill animals, but it was never a pleasure for them, it was necessary in order to survive. They didn't had nearly any education, but they had compassion, and real feelings. The problem I've mentioned before is something bigger. My grandmother(from father's side) seems to get some kind of pleasure from killing animals. She hasn't got any compassion, and
this scares me.

[andonitxo]

Logically thought, an egg, the sperm and all life-creating related cells must have some kind of special quality. Don't missunderstand me, this is not a sermon or antiabortion movement, but if we are so concerned with "energies" and energy work it is logical to conclude that a liver cell is quite differente from an ovule cell.

Ovule cell is like any other even from metaphysical point of view. It is only like a computer program until it starts dividing, then it become an organism. And remember that ovule cell is less than .001% of egg. The rest was designed to be used as food.

Well, I'm not a mystic or the like and don't even know if I could be considered a spiritual guy despite my efforts to order my riotous head but one thing is clear for me: a liver-cell can reproduce itself and build up an another entire liver, a fecundated ovule can reproduce itself and build up a whole human being. So there must be a difference between one and the other

In taoist yoga is described in detail the importance of sex energies and sex-related cells to use their energy in the same way it is used in NEW system.

It is said that 10 drops of water are needed to create a drop of blood and 1000 drops of blood to create a drop of sperm (don't remember well the quantities, I've told by heart).

And about food, for sure the 99,9% of an egg is just food, but food for the development of the ovule. Eggs are put outside so they need a cover to mature, ovules use the opposite strategy but inside, in the womb.  It is as if giants hens would eat caged female human's wombs. Appalling.

Regards.

[CaCoDeMoN]

nd about food, for sure the 99,9% of an egg is just food, but food for the development of the ovule. Eggs are put outside so they need a cover to mature, ovules use the opposite strategy but inside, in the womb. It is as if giants hens would eat caged female human's wombs. Appalling.

Human wombs are part of body, and chicken eggs are not, human womb provides only suspension and enviroment required by the ovule. The differences are so big that the analogy fails.

[You]

I'm 18, does this mean I should drink all the milk I can for the next two years? Once I'm 20 no more milk... nooooooo.