i have slow progress & doubts w/ "new energy ways"

[Cruel Tendencies]

You don't seem to be having nearly as much trouble as you think you are.  If you're feeling the energy movement sensations (tingling, pulsating, etc..) then consider yourself successful.  At first the things like splitting body awareness and spreading it out over a wide area are difficult and require a lot of concentration.  That's just how it is.  Just take it easy, relax, and don't worry about going to fast.

Energy body development takes time -- with methods other than NEW, years.  With NEW, though, it can be done in weeks to months.  And don't worry about premature kundalini experiences.  It's very rare and not something that you should have on your mind worrying you.

Just keep doing the exercises, without skipping anything, and take the time to do them until you're comfortable with them.  With practice, it'll become easier and require less effort.  But practice is the only way to ahieve that.

Psychic abilities also develop with time.  Regardless of what you may read here, psychic abilities (in the average person) develop slowly and with continuous energetic and spiritual development.  The worst thing you can do is try to rush yourself, because you'll just get frustrated.  

Energy body work doesn't really have anything to do with sensitivity to computers or electrical devices... don't worry about it.  And as far as "psiballs" go, they're very overrated and really don't have much purpose or function in the waking world (or the astral, really).

So again, just relax and take it easy; this should be fun and done at a natural pace.  Anything else will just mess with your head.


Paul

[Centa Five]

CT just gave you some very good advise to follow.  You may be over-complicating the process. Try to just clear your mind of everything except doing the NEW exercises on stimulating and raising the energy. Do one exercise at a time and do it over and over again until you actually feel the energy moving and the resistence on the bounces,  and don't move on until you are comfortable with the exercise and are confident that you are getting the desired results. It may take you quite awhile to get thru all the exercises effectively but when you do, you will feel the results and have a good foundation for further work with the major Chakras.  Stay with it and good luck.

[cesm23]

in reply to "Cruel Tendencies" and "Centa Five" :

Well, thank you guys very much for the help, but some of the main doubts remain, can you please answer this specific questions : it's really necessary to feel a "kind of ball of tingling" passing in the places we try to feel the path ? Most like exactly if a imaginary finger would be passing again in the skin but feeling tingling while forming the path by remembering it, is this the goal of the exercice ? And by doing this with eyes closed and even later do two or more paths at the same time ? This is really very difficult, even with my eyes open and after highlighting (altough after highlighting i don't still feel tingling), it' supposed to be like this, or do i have to create the tingling feel with the finger to consider it highlighted ? If yes then i am doing all wrong...

Also another question : it's necessary to be able to do that (that of feeling defined paths) in every place of the body even in parts with energy blockages ?! It's because in certain parts of my body like my legs it's easier to do that exercice (well just it's easier to feel a certain area with awareness alone without touching or looking at it), but in others i almost don't feel nothing after even tracing the path. Tell me, if my arms are full of energy blockages and i can't do that exercice just in that parts, but i can do it well on the rest of my body (this, after i understand fully which is the goal) can this be enough to then move on to the next exercice ? (tactile awareness) Or this exercice also "clears" energy blockages ?

At least these questions i need a specific answer, if not i may stay forever in that exercice and maybe i am doing it already very well long time ago without knowing... see why i need to make such questions ? There is several ways to "INTERPRET" what the book says, and specially me, that english is not my native language, so please answer those questions just like i do it. I still have those doubts, don't just tell "don't move on until you are comfortable with the exercise and are confident that you are getting the desired results." because i have no such thing as "intuition" and i NEED to really understand what is the goal of the exercice to see if i am already doing it right long time ago or not ! Also PLEASE tell me if it's normal that exercice can take a month to be done correctly, this question is also important for motivation questions, and also all the questions beginning with "it's normal that..." that i may do, these are very important for me.

WHAT !!! When you say "At first the things like splitting body awareness and spreading it out over a wide area are difficult and require a lot of concentration." Wait a minute, i HAVE poor concentration (altough with some effort is more or less good concentration, but i still have wandering toughts every minute) so it means i have to spend several weeks in training concentration before even continuing with this method of "energy ways" ?! Yes, because training concentration DOES take weeks or months. Or do you think that i can still follow the method of the book, even without 100% concentration ? Yes, this question is also important.

....... when you say "And don't worry about premature kundalini experiences" have you readed that website i indicated ? And those storys ?! Well, i hope i can trust you, because i can't believe that those guys in that website were lying, because if they are not, that this is much more common than you think, but thanks to the advice Robert Bruce gived in the book i am more relieved about premature kundalini arousals (that advice of the groin crease center). Remember that a premature kundalini arousal can even be triggered by just simple meditation or breathing exercices ?

Also another thing i don't know : how much times each day of about how many minutes it's recommended in using the new energy ways ? I need to know this, if not it could even taker longer than it's supposed to take, understand why i make this question?

Hum... now i have already psychokinesis, i have tried the psywheel exercice, i can do it only with my hands near (even at 4-5 centimetres) but most of the times i can even control it's movement (by thinking). No i am NOT getting false results because i do this already for 7 days, in the past i was a big skeptic, so i have done several tests to see if i was doing psychokinesis or not. Can't this help in making those exercices of the new energy ways easier ? I seem to be a little better now (a very little only) because when doing psychokinesis i feel twitches all over my body (not often) and energy drawing in both arms. Also this means my hands chakras are active because they can make the psywheel move in a specic direction in each hand. But then why can't i do psiballs ?!

About other psychic abilities, just tell me this, clairvoyance (or remote view) CAN come naturally by using this method (at the end) or become better at using psychokinesis without using hands ? I just want to know, if i know what i gain by using this method i will he more motivated to use it without rushing, understand?

About that thing of computers, i once readed that when a psychic person gets angry sometimes electrical things can explode or get damaged, or even things floating in air, like a poltergeist. I hope this doesn't happen to me because generally i am a very nervous person, which gets angry very easely (altough fortunately i didn't get any side-effects by being able to do psychokinesis with hands near).

When you say "You may be over-complicating the process" : very funny. If i don't understand the true meaning of the exercice and the right interpretation of the words how could i not do that ? It's necessary to understand what is the goal of the exercice, if not, how can i know i am doing progress ?

About when you say "Try to just clear your mind of everything except doing the NEW exercises on stimulating and raising the energy." It's just that i already do. But i can't control wandering toughts, they keep bombarding me. But even like that i can do well the first exercice. (kind of just thinking in my knee, and almost imediatly it starts tingling and even pulsating! Without highlighting or looking at it! But in my hands this doesn't work so fast.)

What do you mean by "the resistence on the bounces" ? Sorry, but i must repeat that my native language isn't english, and some english expressions i don't understand.
When you say "but when you do, you will feel the results and have a good foundation for further work with the major Chakras." Yes i KNOW that, that's is one of my biggest motivations in using this method, SPECIALLY if that helps avoiding those very dangerous premature kundalini arousals. But wait a minute, why in the e-book "training to see auras" the same author gives techniques about opening the third eye chakra without any kind of preparation like in this book of the new energy ways ? So it means that it's dangerous to follow what says in the book "training to see auras" before using the book "new energy ways"? In some websites they say that opening the third eye chakra before opening the lower ones is dangerous, is this true ? Also it's true that it's required a kundalini arousal to open a chakra ?

Ok, now please both of you, or more people, please at least try to reply these questions, this time i tried to do make many of them.

[Cruel Tendencies]

I'll try to respond to your questions, but I'll warn you that you may not like my answers all that much.

Well, thank you guys very much for the help, but some of the main doubts remain, can you please answer this specific questions : it's really necessary to feel a "kind of ball of tingling" passing in the places we try to feel the path ? Most like exactly if a imaginary finger would be passing again in the skin but feeling tingling while forming the path by remembering it, is this the goal of the exercice ? And by doing this with eyes closed and even later do two or more paths at the same time ? This is really very difficult, even with my eyes open and after highlighting (altough after highlighting i don't still feel tingling), it' supposed to be like this, or do i have to create the tingling feel with the finger to consider it highlighted ? If yes then i am doing all wrong...

No, it's not necessary to feel anything passing where you want your energy to go.  Energy follows your awareness, whether you feel it or not.  The goal of the exercise isn't to have any particular sensation (though sensations generally do happen).  The goal of the exercise is to perform the exercise.  If you do it at all, you're doing it correctly.  You can't and shouldn't try to measure your success with the physical sensations.  And I can't tell you what you should or shouldn't be feeling, because it's different for everyone.  Again, if you're doing the exercise, you're doing it correctly.  Moving your body awareness causes energy to move.  That's just how it works, whether or not you get consistent sensations.

Also another question : it's necessary to be able to do that (that of feeling defined paths) in every place of the body even in parts with energy blockages ?! It's because in certain parts of my body like my legs it's easier to do that exercice (well just it's easier to feel a certain area with awareness alone without touching or looking at it), but in others i almost don't feel nothing after even tracing the path. Tell me, if my arms are full of energy blockages and i can't do that exercice just in that parts, but i can do it well on the rest of my body (this, after i understand fully which is the goal) can this be enough to then move on to the next exercice ? (tactile awareness) Or this exercice also "clears" energy blockages ?

You may feel it more in your legs than your arms at first, which is normal.  The pathways in your legs are wider, and more energy flows through them, and in my experience the energy that comes through the feet feels denser than what comes through the hands.  What makes you think your arms are full of energy blocks?  Don't neglect them just because you don't feel it as strongly in your arms as in your legs.  Do the exercises for about 3-5 minutes on each area of the arms and hands; if you feel a sensation, great - if you don't, it's not a big deal.

At least these questions i need a specific answer, if not i may stay forever in that exercice and maybe i am doing it already very well long time ago without knowing... see why i need to make such questions ? There is several ways to "INTERPRET" what the book says, and specially me, that english is not my native language, so please answer those questions just like i do it. I still have those doubts, don't just tell "don't move on until you are comfortable with the exercise and are confident that you are getting the desired results." because i have no such thing as "intuition" and i NEED to really understand what is the goal of the exercice to see if i am already doing it right long time ago or not ! Also PLEASE tell me if it's normal that exercice can take a month to be done correctly, this question is also important for motivation questions, and also all the questions beginning with "it's normal that..." that i may do, these are very important for me.

I'm sorry you think you don't have any intuition, but that's not true.  Everyone, without exception, is born with inuition.  Sometimes during early stages of life we form complexes and demons that tell us we're wrong, and tell us not to trust ourselves.  Developing your energy body and psychic abilities, along any spiritual path you may choose, will naturally develop your intuition, and you need to begin to learn how to listen to it.  Basically you stay on the exercises that you can do, until you can do the next one.  Go on to the next one and attempt it, and if it takes more concentration and effort than you can muster, go back to the exercises before it and do them until it's not as hard for you.  No one but yourself can tell you when you're ready to advance to the next set of exercises.  Yes, it takes a lot of concentration at first, and sometimes it's hard and you have to put a lot of mental effort into it.  That's just the nature of the beast, so to speak.

To address some of your other concerns.. No, you don't have to do just concentration exercises before you can do NEW.  Simply doing the NEW exercises (and taking your time!) simultaneously develops your ability to focus.  

I've seen people write about premature kundalini experiences, and yeah they can seem scary.  But you've got a better chance of getting hit by a bus the next time you walk out your door than you do of having a premature kundalini rising.  If you want to spend your time worrying about something terrible that could possibly happen to you, there's other, much more mundane things, that you can think about.

I don't know why you can't do psiballs if you say you can do "psychokinesis."  I personally consider attempting to move things with my mind to be a waste of time, as I can simply reach out my hand and move whatever it is I want to move.  I've never really had an urge to make a ball of energy either, unless I'm creating a servitor of some sort to work with.  Doing things because it seems cool to be able to do it doesn't really get you anywhere, in my opinion, though the choice is up to you.

Angry psychics exploding things and making objects fly across the room?  I'm not saying it doesn't happen, because I'm sure it does sometimes..  But that's a VERY dramatic occurrence, and you shouldn't expect it or worry about it happening to you.  Unless, like the kundalini rising, you also walk around worrying that a jetliner is going to land on your head.  If you're a nervous person then you need to work on being nervous.  Inhibitions are like little demons that tell you lies, and the lies scare you into generating energy, and the demons eat the energy.  They'll tell you not to listen to your intuition; they'll tell you you're not doing the exercise right.  They'll basically tell you that you can't do anything right in the world, and if you believe them, then you'll never make any progress.  You have to be bold enough to calm your own fears and your own mind.

It's not dangerous to open your third eye, as far as I know, though I've never read the treatise on viewing auras that you're talking about.  As you may be able to tell from things I've said, I'm not really fond of learning specific tricks for the sake of being able to do the trick.  Seeing auras and general clairvoyance comes as a result of continued energy body development.  It takes patience and a higher, long-term motivation in order to get real results.

I know it's not what you want to hear, but seriously, you just have to relax and stop thinking so much.  I know it's easier said than done, but you have to do it anyway.  Don't measure your progress at every turn.  Just do the exercises that you can do and don't worry about if you're doing them right or not.  Over-thinking will just make it harder.  It's like trying to catch a ball.  If you're sitting there thinking "Catch the ball, catch the ball, move right, move left, etc" then the ball's going to hit you in the face.  A state of not-caring is the best way to do things.


Paul

[cesm23]

to Cruel tendencies :

Oh yes, you can bet that i really didn't liked SOME your answers (just some of them, because others are very useful advices, thanks). Also, it's not exactly because of the content of the answers it's specially the WAY you said them, you could be a little more compreensive just try to be on my place. I am not posting all of this to annoy people here, i am being 100% sincere. I KNOW that all my speech can be boring, but as soon as people reply the questions, i don't need anymore to write so much. Well, anyways you also gived many USEFULL advices, finally, that's all i was asking for, thank you very much, even tough some things you should have not said (specially your opinion about psychokinesis and psiballs and about psychic abilities in general, because it's the OPPOSITE opinion of mine), so i am sorry but i still have to reply again, but don't worry i will try to write as few as possible, this one is mostly to finish the subject, and tell you my interpretations, so just reply if you see that its needed or not, but try to be a little more compreensive, ok ? I am not writing all of this to annoy people or you. Also if you feel like arguing with me, please just don't reply this, ok ?

About the first paragraph i understood everything.
About the second paragraph you replyed :
Yes, indeed i feel much more stronger energy effects in my legs (specially in the left one), than in my arms. About your question "What makes you think your arms are full of energy blocks?" I reply with two words : Robert Bruce. He says in the book : "Often, there are inactive secondary energy centres on one side of the body, but rarely on both sides. If you feel nothing after doing any awareness action for several minutes, move onto the next exercise", i admit that i am overreacting a bit by saying "full of energy blockages" but it's more or less what it says there. (and about that thing when he says to move to the next exercice, that is only in the tactile imaging exercice, not before).

About what you said : "Do the exercises for about 3-5 minutes on each area of the arms and hands; if you feel a sensation, great - if you don't, it's not a big deal." Finally ! See it's exactly THIS i wanted to hear. Thank you.

About the third paragrah you replyed :

Yes, i am sorry, i overreacted again by saying that i don't have intuintion (you may already understood that i am pessimist, and i ALWAYS have been, not because i want) what i mean is that i have so very few intuintion that i can't even notice i have it. Can you understand now why i said that ?

I hope that you REALLY understand about kundalini arousals, because you understand that can cause permanent internal damage, which there isn't any cure for that, so i hope you REALLY are sure of what you are saying, to not worry about them, in that case i trust you.

Hum... you seem to have something against psychic abilities in general ? Oh, i see, you must be a very social person with lots of friends and not having any free time to psychic abilities (which is the opposite of me, that i am a solitary person, and with almost no friends, and which is almost all of the time at home, also i am shy) so having psychic abilitys isn't much usefull to you or not compatible with your style of life, but to me they are perfect, because very many times of my life i have absolutly nothing to do (i general hate doing everything other people likes to do out of homes as hobbys), so i would use psychic abilities as hobbys. Of course, not all the time, because that's a serious thing and not a simple hobby. By the way why did you put psychokinesis between quotes? I have not invented that term, it's exactly the same as telekinesis, but i like much more the psychokinesis term, and as you already see my opinion about that and psiballs it's the exact opposite of your's, and also i can't believe everyone here would think like you, that psychic abilities are useless (i know you didn't say that, but saying things like "I personally consider attempting to move things with my mind to be a waste of time, as I can simply reach out my hand and move whatever it is I want to move. I've never really had an urge to make a ball of energy either, unless I'm creating a servitor of some sort to work with. Doing things because it seems cool to be able to do it doesn't really get you anywhere" makes me and maybe other people think that of you) and besides, if that was right, that psychic abilities are ONLY usefull to fun or "do cool things" (which is my main motivation), then for what is this forum for, anyways ?! And all those websites and other forums about psychic abilities ? You might even sound like a skeptic, even tough you are not one. Also, you also have to forgive me if you didn't liked my answers also, but i did the possible to not "offend" you or to argue with you, but by the things you said i couldn't avoid.

One last thing, by working of the major chakras does that improve our character also, and do something about that of being "pure of heart" ?

Hum... by the way now i SEEM to be able to feel a "ball" of tingling (i think it's energy) moving on the path i imagine, and all of this without looking or by highlighting. So it's POSSIBLE to feel that. But i can only feel that on my left leg, because it's the only place i feel so strong energy sensations (altough feeling pain is rare sometimes i feel needle-like pains, but light cramps are more common, is this energy blockages?). It's Sometimes i can feel almost the same in my right leg, but it's much more weaker, but still stronger than any of my arms. That is really weird, it feels like something is moving under my skin (a kind of ball of energy), i really never had sensations like these in my life before... So by your advices, even if i can only feel this on my left leg, i should then move on to the next exercice, right ? Ok.

Well that's all, reply this if you want, but if it's just to argue, fight or have discussion, just don't reply, ok ?

[Ybom]

I've got a simple question for you cesm23. Do you know what it is that really drives you to do this? I know you said you want to do cool things and have hobbies involving psychic abilities, but I thin there's something more than that.

No I'm not reading your mind. I'm actually reading between the lines in the things you write (I also sense fear and anger for some reason, could be just a hunch though).

[cesm23]

to yborn :

yes, it's not needed to be a psychic to know that. There is huge motivations, but they are very complex, if you are disposed to read a lot of text (as you already see the size of my posts) then i would tell you, but it's a long story, and i would apreciate a reply if i have all that work writing, but if you garantee a reply i don't mind telling my story. Besides i only will do that by email, i will not write all that here. Do you want to hear my story ? Probably not, because it's long. But if you are good advising persons with problems... Them tell me your email and i email you in the next days. (i don't like to use the "email feature" in this forum, i am afraid it will cut very big messages, so i prefer normal email)

[Cruel Tendencies]

Cesm,

If I offended you with something I said, I apologize.  My intent was only to say that when developing psychic abilities, it should be done in a balanced and patient way.  My personal opinion (again, notice, it's only my personal opinion) is that psychic abilities are an added bonus of a spiritual life.  They develop naturally as you advance on whatever spiritual path you choose for yourself.  We all need to be careful of letting our desires for special abilities and skills turn into obsessions that only bring us frustration.

Honestly I don't know whether or not the sensations you're feeling (or lack thereof) are due to energy blocks or what.  Blocks in the energy body usually correspond to mental/emotional blocks and "complexes" that the person has.  I waited to start doing energy work until I felt relatively secure with myself (though doing the energy work has greatly speeded the process, and I've got a long way to go), and so the blocks I had were minor.

What you want to do is grasp the basics of all the exercises, so that you're comfortable doing either the full-body circuit, or if not that, the two-circuit energy raising.  You want to get into the motion of raising energy up through all the pathways and down into your sub-navel storage center.  This will work out energy blocks gradually, and you'll be raising energy at the same time, which also helps to remove blocks (it takes a lot of energy to break through the blockages).

Again, I didn't mean to offend you with my opinion on psiballs and telekinesis and so on.  It's only that when approaching life, and magick especially, invention is bred from necessity.  I personally can't sit down and say "I'm going to read your mind" and just do it.  I don't have that level of skill, or natural ability.  When in a tight spot, however, because I *have* to, I generally know what's going on in the minds of the people involved, and so will usually have the upper hand in a situation, because my psychic faculties have developed naturally and in line with my spiritual progress.  

My point is, though I've stated it rather poorly, that things of this nature are best approached with a higher goal or intent, and not out of selfish (for lack of a better term) desire.  I'm in no way saying that psychic skills are useless - far from it. What I'm saying is that when I see someone trying desperately to develop psychic abilities for no other reason than they think it'd be cool to have them, I can't help but think it's for reasons that aren't exactly healthy.  I don't know you, and so I'm only assuming and using my judgment here, which I admit could be wrong, so please don't be offended.  I'm just saying that that type of desire can easily turn into obsession, and will eventually lead you (or whoever) down a road you don't want to go on.

I'm not fond of all the talk on this forum about telekinesis and psiballs because of the reasons stated above, but I don't want anyone to take that the wrong way.  I realize that just because I don't like it, that doesn't mean it's not true - it just means I don't believe most of what's said about personal experiences with telekinesis and so on.  That's my problem.

If you have problems in your social life, or your personal life in general, you may want to address those problems directly.  Confronting any self-worth or similar issues you may have is a good place to start.  You may want to find a religious/spiritual path and stick to it.  Simply getting to know who you really are and being comfortable with that person will help tremendously in all areas of life.  Overcoming shyness, making friends, etc, will all become easier.  And your psychic faculties will also open up on their own, and you'll be able to hear your intuition so that you're not so nervous and worried about if you're doing things correctly.

Again, this is all my opinion, and is really just armchair psychology when you get down to it, so please, don't take it the wrong way.  Let me know if there's anything else I can help you with.


Paul

[cesm23]

to cruel tendencies :

...

Look, i have to ask you the same i asked to "yborn". My situation/life is too much complicated to you understand me, i am not a normal person, as you will see after reading all i have to say to you, if you agree to this : i have huge motivations to develop psychic abilities, but they are very complex, if you are disposed to read a lot of text (as you already see the size of my posts) then i would tell you, but it's a long story (at the same time i will reply your last post), and i would apreciate a reply if i have all that work writing, but if you garantee a reply i don't mind telling my story. Besides i only will do that by email, i will not write all that here, because i would have to talk about intimate things so it have to be by email and not in a public forum like this. Do you want to hear my story ? Also then you would understand why i am like this and why i maked that kind of questions to you, and you would understand my motivations (well i doubt you will ever understand me, just wait for the email i will send to you if you agree to this). Even if you can't advice me more, at least you would know why i am like this, and also if you seem to understand a bit about "spiritual evolution" you could give me some advices but please avoid to be agressive, and when telling your opinions be carefull to make them not seem like criticize to my opinions. Tell me your email and i email you in the next days. (i don't like to use the "email feature" in this forum, i am afraid it will cut very big messages, so i prefer normal email).

[cesm23]

FORGET MY LAST REPLY, READ THIS ONE INSTEAD

to cruel tendencies :

well, as you adviced, to not worry with those preliminar exercices, i started the chapter Tactile imaging, and all those exercices. And now i am already in "Feet and leg development". It's increditable, they are not as hard as i thinked. Also i feel tingling, pulsating and sometimes twitches, but i don't seem to have major energy blockages, except one in the right side of my left foot, between the ankle and heel (near the heel but on the side of the foot). I could do toe work without any problems, i just get tingling and vibrations some times (specially in big toe), so i must be doing well. Altough it's difficult to target each of the lesser toes individually i still have to highlight them with my finger (only once, then i am able to do the exercice without touching it again in the same session), and indeed using eyes is not good, and i can always do it better without using eyes, but i have to use highlight with fingers but this is specially only in the 2 middle lesser toes. I also have started sole work, but i have a little doubt here : when i try to feel the sole, in which direction i should try to feel it ? When the sole is facing the floor, or when is facing upwards ? It's because when trying to feel the sole when it is facing the floor i have difficult in trying to feel the sole instead of the tops of my foot, because i would try to feel the sole from the inside, which i am not used to. But even like that it works, i think i can feel my sole well, but i didn't feel any "strong sensations" (except in my heel) as the author said, just general tingling. Also i feeled strong tingling in my heel. But it seems i only have a energy blockage in the place i said, in the side of the foot, sometimes after doing this energy work i feel a little lump/swelling there, and a almost permanent little cramp and some strong energy sensations. But just that, i don't feel any kind of pain, just a little cramp.
In my right foot it's energy sensations are mild, maybe it means the energy flows well there, because i feel tingling in the places i try to feel. That's funny, sometimes i feel little twitches in specific places, but they seem to be random.

Now there is another big doubt : these exercices have a order ? For example, if i am just starting these exercices in feet and leg development, can i also do "Hands and Arm development" in other sessions in the same day ? Or that can only be done after doing all the "Feet and leg development" ? Also, in "Feet & leg development" at the beginning i am only doing toe and sole work, it's not necessary to continue until hip joint in the same session, isn't it ? Usually i am step by step increasing the session time by doing more of the exercices, for example : in the first session (and day) i have only done toe work. Then in the next day i have done toe work AND sole work.And now the next time i would do toe work, sole work AND ankle work. I believe it's not any problem doing it like this, right ?

That's another doubt, can i skip the hip joint centers in "Feet and leg development" (when i do all the previous exercices of course) and "hand and arm development" until i get more experience on this ? It's because i am overweight, so it's very difficult to know where are the four crease centers in the hips, and i really don't want to do wrong those exercices, because that place is dangerous to overstimulate, as you read in the cautions. Also i am sure that those cautions are to avoid the premature kundalini arousals. and believe me, that is much more serious than you think, and not so rare as you said.

One final question : how many times each day these "feet and leg development" or "hands and arms development" should be done ? Now i do it twice in a day ("feet and leg development") but can i do hands and arms development ? If you all of that doesn't matter then just tell me that, but please make me sure that you don't say that just to not answer the questions, i want to be sure that if there isn't any problem in switchingthe order of "feet and leg development" and "hands and arm development". Ok ? Then bye !!

[Cruel Tendencies]

Look man, as I've been saying all along, you're worrying far too much.  If you skip a step or exercise and can do the next one okay, then it's all good.  The purpose of the step-by-step process is to make it easier for you to get from one step to the next, and so on.  You don't have to be able to do everything perfectly in order to move on - you just have to be able to do the next step.  I completed NEW in a week, and was doing the two-part storage circuit for a month or more before I moved on to the full-body circuit.  If you can do the next step, then do it.  If you can't, keep doing the one you're doing.

Even without you explaining to me your life story, I've got a good idea of what you're going through.  You couldn't name a problem in your life that at the least, thousands of people haven't gone through as well.  There are various ways to try to escape reality, and fantasies and wishes of psychic and magickal abilities are just one.  I'm not being hard or critical of you; I'm just being truthful.  

I keep saying this, but you really need to believe me when I say it, but if further development scares you, then you need to get over whatever it is that's making you afraid.  If something is "premature," then you'll have to deal with a little more static than if it was right on time.  That's all.  You're not going to die or be permanently crippled, man.  If something is going to be rough on you, it's most likely going to be in the mental and emotional sphere of your life, and to be honest it doesn't seem like you're all that happy in those areas to begin with.  

If you want to email me with details that you think may be helpful in giving you further advice, then that's cool; my email is intuitiveheresy@yahoo.com.  If you don't want to, that's cool too.  I really think you'll be fine (regardless of problems you're facing) if you just try to chill out and take life in stride.


Paul

[cesm23]

to cruel tendencies :

AGAIN THAT TALK OF NOT WORRING TOO MUCH ??! Oh my god, this is useless, why only you reply this?! Are you the only person here that can help me or that knows the answers of my questions? I doubt you are the only person here that can help me. I am getting tired of this, you just make me even much more confused !!

Don't you see this is serious, how it's possible you can't understand why i worry so much ? Oh yes, i know, it's because with you nothing bad happened, it's just because that !!

Besides, it's about my body i am talking about. If there is any PERMANENT damage on it because of not doing these exercices right (or them making the kundalini awake prematurly), it's ME who will suffer permanently, not you, so PLEASE don't waste time repeating me always the same things (of not worrying about things that can be dangerous if not done correctly), just reply my posts directly, PLEASE try to understand why i am worrying so much. I know, that by saying this you maybe would recommend me to just not to use the NEW energy ways if i am so afraid to do it wrong, but i just want to do it in the right way and i have no way to know which is dangerous to do or not. If you see that i care too much in doing it exactly as it's written then JUST tell me that instead of repeating the same kind of talking, i already readed the first time !!! You completed the NEW in a week because you must not have any energy blockages, if not why the author says that some energy blockages takes even months to repair?! Also i could feel some energy blockages in my feet and legs so how do you expect that i do not worry about doing the rest of the new energy ways right away ? Also at the same time i won't wait months until my energy blockages in feet and legs are cleared to start doing hands and arms development, that's why i maked those questions !! Besides i started new doing hands and arms developement also, as no one replys this besides you, i have to just try. But meanwhile i have to skip that part of hip / groin creases centers work, because most of the times i still can't target well some places of my body, and i don't want to do wrong exercices in that "dangerous" place of the groin creases. Also how can i know if this thing of drawing energy doesn't do other nasty side effects such as destrying nerves if we try to draw too much energy in them ? That is very scary (and irreversible) i have readed that in another website, of course this makes me be more confused, but at least tell me is this true ? If it is it's unbelievable how you tell me to not worry...Just because those dangerous things are rare that doesn't mean they don't happen.

Please if you want to help me, please reply directly my questions, and when giving advices, just stick to my doubts instead of "general advices" such as "don't worry" or even advices of "thinking positive" (even tough you didn't said this one, but this one in particular does NOT work with me i always have more bad luck and feel angry when thinking positive, and i almost always feel better and with more good luck when being pessimist, yes i know that's very weird but i can garantee you that with me it works that way) because i am unable to understand such kind of advices, but as i said some of your other advices were very usefull to me and i think you for them.

Hum... by what you said : "I completed NEW in a week, and was doing the two-part storage circuit for a month or more before I moved on to the full-body circuit." Tell me what changed on you after that ? Let me guess : you didn't gain any psychic abilities (even gradually), right ? I knew it, it was too good to be truth, it's impossible to develop psychic abilitis without training a life time (Please don't make any more comments of the reasons because i want psychic abilities  !! All i can say it's because some big problems i have and i can't solve them in other ways, not even with any shrink). And what about that, the author said that those that long for psychic abilities would fill dialy their sub-navel center. Have you any comments "against" this ? Yes i am aware that psychic abilities take time to develop but at least if i knew that i WOULD start getting some "psychic manifestations" sometimes or at least noticed something different on my perceptions this would be enough to keep me motivated to wait a long time to develop psychic abilities in a balanced way, the problem is if i train for a month and nothing changes, that's what is more depreessing for me and "obssessed" about psychic abilities. And please you would never understand why i want them (psychic abilities), the only thing i can say is that is't because of my problem of not having other hobbyes besides the computer, and hating everything what other persons (specially teenagers and people of my age) like to do, and the most depressing thing for me is not having nothing to do, or doing a thing (a job for example) that i don't like. Also since many years ago i have a big fashionation about psychic abilities (specially about psychokinesis, but without hands!) and... forget you don't understand.

Please sorry if i didn't also understood you but at the moment you are the only one i can ask this kind of advices. But please instead of repeating the same advices over and over (because i can't understand them no matter how i try), just answer the questions of my previous post, PLEASE !! Anso don't get angry or ticked because i am bothering you with these posts, i hope you already know that i am not doing this to bother you !!

[goku22]

Hi cesm23

While I agree with ALL of cruel tendencies advice, I also believe you when you say that you simply cannot get rid of your nervousness, so I'm not going to tell you to chill out. Just keep that in my mind as a goal to acheive in the future. About skipping the hip centers and directions of movement and all that stuff, here's my advice. There is no danger in moving around in the NEW system and no reason to only go certain directions or anything like that. NEW is very easy to customize to work for you. Every minute you spend on it is good, and the only dangers are focusing entirely on the brow and crown centers. That's what Robert is talking about, working entirely on those centers and nothing else, because it will lead to an energetic imbalance. The more you work on basic secondary centers, sub naval storage and your base center, the better. When I doing NEW on my feet, I don't even think about directions, I just think of my foot until it starts tingling good, and then move on, if something doesn't feel like it's working, I go on to something else. Feel completely comfortable in switching to hands/arms before you're done with feet/legs because it doesn't matter at all, any energetic progress is good. About the hip centers, I don't think being overweight has anything to do with it, the caution has to do with those centers being powerful and the sensations caused by working on them might make it impossible to focus on any other areas because you can't take your attention away from such strong feelings. It also might cause sexual arousal, which would probably end the NEW session right there because it's difficult to feel the more subtle tingling sensations when something much more *cough* physical is happening. About premature kundalini arousals, you say to believe you that it's more common than we think. HAve you met anyone with this problem? Of course it does happen, but from everything I've read on the subject, rasing your kundalini is EXTREMELY difficult and for the VAST majority of people is something that they will not even come close to happening. I've seen some stuff on other sites talking about kundalini raisings but most of the time, everything on those sites is a bunch of bovine excrement. Don't believe everything you see, use and trust your mind. The ones I would trust about kundalini are the ones that say it's a lifetime process. Probably most of the premature raisings happen when people try to go through the process of raising it when they aren't ready, and they happen to have alot of natural potential for it. Sticking to the secondary centers in NEW is totally safe in that regard. And if you do that everyday for about a year, I bet you could afely move onto the primary centers with no danger at all. Just keep the process slow and your energy body has time to develop the neccesary pathways for the energy to flow through. I believe this is all in Roberts book and online NEW tutorial. Also, try Donni joy's simplifies NEW, it's somewhere in the articles section, not hard to find. I'm just guessing, but since you live a solitary existence, which I'm familiar with because I stayed in my room from age 13 to 17, unless I was in school, which I hated because I hated people because they made me afraid, that maybe a Neg is partly responsible for your problems. Read Robert's Practical Psychic Self Defense and see if some of what he says lines up with your experiences. Negs like to remain hidden and have you produce feelings of guilt and fear which only makes their holds stronger. Good luck.  Ben

[Cruel Tendencies]

Look man, don't get all riled because you think I'm not answering your questions.  I am answering them.  Psychic abilities come as SUBTLE manifestations of SUBCONSCIOUS impressions.  Everything energetic is subconscious, and everything subconscious is subtle.  If you want any  kind of psychic abilities and skills, you're going to have to stop with all the "I can't stop being nervous" crap, do some serious introspection and soul-searching, and perhaps a large amount of prayer.

When you're always nervous and second-guessing yourself, you could have every kind of psychic ability and impression and not even realize it for what it is.  Trusting yourself is THE biggest part of developing any kind of real psychic talents.  If you feel you can't do that, then you're right, I suggest you throw NEW away, never come back to these forums, and lock yourself in your bedroom for the rest of your life.

I know you think that your situation is totally alien to me and unique unto yourself, but the truth is, that attitude is very common among teenagers and you're going through the same thing that most teenagers do.  If you want to escape it through psychic abilities, then you're not going to get very far in your escape.  You can't gain psychic abilities with the attitude of "I can't do this."  You just can't.  It's not going to happen.  Ever.

If this sounds harsh, then, well, yes, it sounds like it's supposed to.  You probably think I'm just being mean, or repeating the same thing over and over, but I'm not.  You're asking me the same questions, and they all have the same answer, which is that no one can answer it for you but yourself.  If you want to develop your energy body, then stop doing the exercises all together for a while, and figure out just what it is that's making you so nervous and unable to trust your intuition.  Yes, it's hard, I'm aware.  Everything in life worth doing is hard.  That's just how it is.  

Again, if you really CANNOT do this, then you're incapable of living in a society where self-objectivity is necessary for life, and again, you should lock yourself in your bedroom and never see the light of day again.  I say this because EVERYONE has the ability to be introspective and figure out just what it is that's keeping them from trusting their own intuition.  Hopefully your paranoia won't keep you from living a happy life.


Paul

[cesm23]

First i need to warn that i make a lot of questions. It's not that i like to be demanding, but it's because i

search for help in so many places and almost no one helped me, that i have several questions. So i am

not hoping that most of these questions will be answered, but at least the most important ones (those

about my doubts in the exercices) i would like very much that would be answered. Also don't tell me to

search this forum the answers of these questions (so you can indicate the link of posts that have

answers for some of my questions), because i don't have internet access at home, so i have to go in a

cybercafe (which doesn't even have adsl, only 56k connection) and pay 1 euro each hour and it would

take several hours to read the thousands of posts in this huge forum ! And in the search engine, i would

have take much time because i just can't find the right words (because in top of this my native language

isn't english) to find answers for my questions, mostly because in a cybercafe i have to do everything on

internet ultra fast because of the time (that's why my posts are always written offline at my house, and

that's also why they are so big). (update : i have now readed the post "Symptoms of an unexpected

Kundalini Raising" but i can't comment it now because i don't have time to write more than just this

sentence now, right before posting this.)

i am a 23 years old male and i am using the "new energy ways" from Robert Bruce, which is very usefull,

i am glad that i have found it, because i was afraid of trying developing psychic abilities and even stoped

from trying to have them, because i readed that just simple meditation can make a person becoming

insane, with psychosis or even die because of the premature kundalni arousals which most of the times

does IRREVERSIBLE serious damage to the brain and other parts of the body. Is anyone here aware of

this ?! I used the word "kundalini" in the search engine and i didn't found any thing related to danger or

premature arousals... but as i said i don't have much time to do search so maybe there was something i

just didn't find it. It's all in this website :    http://www.kundalini-info.org/engkni_1024.html      

specially the main page and the personal storys. But after reading that e-book by Robert Bruce i was

relieved, because it seems that he mentions about something that is related to kundalini arousals : his

warning named "Caution - Groin Crease Centres" at least i hope that is to prevent a premature kundalini

arousal, isn't it ? And also the clearing of blockages is VERY GOOD to avoid most of the damaged of

premature kundalini arousals, for what i readed in other sites. I hope Robert Bruce answers this post

also, SPECIALLY if no one replys this, because this is very important (it's the life of persons that are in

stake here...). Also i readed in other websites (and also in that site i wrote the link above) that there IS

NO shortcouts to spiritual development, and the only safe way to try to develop psychic abilities was to

make purifying exercices which could even take a life time (but they don't know of Robert Bruce's

method), but it seems that the "new energy ways" is that "shortcout" that people was searching for,

without having the danger of premature kundalini arousals (of course it maybe not perfect, but it seems

that no one yet complaind about irreversible damage by premature kundalini arousals on using this

method, even following the warnings of Robert Bruce, if they do PLEASE reply here).

Now i will talk about my case. Before i tried this method, and even before knowing of kundalini arousals,

i tried in about 3 weeks to make a simple psiball. I COULDN'T !! (and even today i can't do one) I feeled

tingling in my arms and hands, and some body heat also, but nothing more happened, no twitches, no

heat between my hands (just in the palms themselves) no pressure, nothing. Does this mean my hand

chakras are closed or with several energy blockages ? That's the only explanation.

Now that i started with the "new energy ways" of Robert bruce, i discovered that i could do the first

exercice. I can feel any part of my body with my bodly awareness (i feel it pulsating, but it's not

instantly) even without highlighting it or without looking at it. But the second exercice (increasing bodly

awareness) is much more difficult. It's almost two weeks i am trying to do it and the progres is very

very slow. But 2 days ago i tried in my legs and it was more easier ! I ALMOST could move my point of

bodly awareness trought a imaginary pathway in my leg and foot, but it's still difficult. But this is my

doubt : it's really necessary to feel a "kind of ball of tingling" passing in the places we try to feel the

path ? Most like exactly if a imaginary finger would be passing again in the skin but feeling tingling

while forming the path by remembering it, is this the goal of the exercice ? And by doing this with eyes

closed and even later do two or more paths at the same time ? This is really very difficult, even with my

eyes open and after highlighting (altough after highlighting i don't still feel tingling, it' supposed like

this, or do i have to create the tingling feel with the finger to consider it highlighted ? If yes then i am

doing all wrong...

But i could even feel already some of the signals of clearing energy blockages (i think) like muscular

cramps (but it hurt just a bit and it was rare, and it was not strong), "sharp needle-like pain" in some

places of my leg and a sensation of my leg being heavy and pulsating and my veins can be seen well ! Is

this normal if i am JUST trying to move a point of awaress in my skin ? Then why in my hands i don't feel

nothing like this ? Just some GENERAL tingling ?

By the way, can anyone tell me if the placebo effect (or biofeedback) is the same as drawing energy or

not.

There is any special precautions in using this method if i am overweight ? (i have 255 pounds but i am

1,80 meters) also since birth i always have been very healthy and with a strong health, never had any

serious diseases, or major problems. Also the using of this method of new energy ways can affect my

weight ? I think he maded a note about that in the book, but it seems it was only temporary that change

in weight.

Also anyone that is using this method already have gained naturally some psychic abilities ? If yes

PLEASE tell me which ones and more or less in which part of the method of "new energy ways" they

started to appear (maybe at the end ?) specially if i am the opposite of a natural (i never had a single

kind of psychic ability, also i never had intuition and i have difficult concentration). By the way the use

of this method also improves concentration ?

Also to the persons that used this method, there is any problem to those persons who spend much time in

the computer like me? Like becoming more sensitive to computers and televisions and not being able to

be near them much time, can the new energy ways have a side effect like this ?

I really hope that Robert Bruce asnwers those questions specially about the exercice, but if he does not,

PLEASE anybody that has have done the inital exercices SUCESSFULLY have to help me, because if i

continue with doubts like this i start to get desesperated and thinking that this method doesn't work with

me or that it will take years just to do the inital exercices!!!