hi guys,today Mr Robert just reply me and answer my question,now i share his reply to everyone,hope this can help you also:(thanks Mr Robert again!)
G'day!
The base center is the most important one to work on for kundalini.
Sex will not disempower you unless you believe it will. Sex is actually very
balancing, which will help you achiever higher altered states. Celibacy is
not a good idea unless the desire to be celibate comes from within. A person
may 'believe' they have to be celibate, but unless this urge comes from
within and is truly what that person wants, then it will unbalance them
through frustration.
The sex chakra can become involved in energy work, but this is not a
desirable thing as its way too distracting. Its best to work around this
center.
Here's something I have handy to cut in on kundalini.
Take care, Robert.
6) What fundamental purpose does raising the Kundalini serve?
>Good question(s). Keep in mind that my answers come from personal
experience and observations, not from books. I've read very little about
kundalini.
The activation of the kundalini circuit can be likened to how a larvae
converts into a butterfly. One does not grow pretty wings, but some fairly
dramatic changes occur. The successful raising of kundalini gives birth to
a whole new bio energy circuit. In a way, all primary chakras activate and
begin working together to generate the new circuit.
The major changes occur during a raised kundalini session, which can last
from ten to 30 minutes, or maybe even longer with more training. This is a
most profound state. I'll post something on this in a minute, to save me
typing it all out again.
But once kundalini has been raised once, the whole energy body begins to
reorganize itself. What exactly happens is difficult to ascertain but the
energy body seems to start growing and developing towards what will become a
new 'normal' state of being.
6a) Why would one want to do it and who (what type of person) would want to
do it?
Raising kundalini involves taking a big step in spiritual evolution. It is
possible that this could free one from the reincarnational mechanism of
life, and set one on a new path of evolution, the path of the masters. I
think ascension to becoming a living master is possible through kundalini.
Also, one of the most noticeable things that happens is that during raised
kundalini state, ones higher self manifests very strongly through you. You
virtually become your higher self, but still retain your human personality.
Bathed in the sacred Aummm, ones connection to God is extremely noticeable
and real.
All psychic abilities begin to grow stronger after kundalini has been
raised. And they are fully active during raised kundalini state.
I suspect that once developed (fully medusa effect and beyond) the power of
creation may become normal. But I also suspect that some knowledge of magic
and words of power and creation would also be required. Then whatever is
imagined will appear in the physical. Basically, one transcends and gains
control over the physical environment.
So, yes, spiritual immortality is possible. Physical immortality may also be
possible, if the energy flow out of the body can be reversed, eg, so one
grows younger at will. These things all need exploring. And I plan to do
just this.
7) In relation to item 3), at what level of development is one ready to undertake the exercises of Kundalini
raising?
I am still pondering the question of this criteria. But a high level of development is most certainly required.
One needs a strong and balanced mind, and a balanced personality and
emotions, and a reasonably heathy body. The demands of raising kundalini are
great. Full power real time OBE or high level projection are very easy in
comparison. So astral projection should, ideally, be mastered first. And
mastering astral projection in itself is a good indicator that one is ready
to raise kundalini. I think I just answered my own question.
However, some untrained people can OBE quite easily. So I'd say a
combination of at least a trained mind (through yoga or similar) and astral projection ability would be a good starting point.
Age may play a factor, too. One may need to be at least 30 before this can be done. But I need to experiment more to clarify this factor.
8 ) Are there various degrees of experience in Kundalini raising? I
understand some people have their crown chakras opened up for minutes or
hours after the experience, while others have them opened for many months at
a time. Does this mean one experience was more powerful than the other?
This depends on whether kundalini was actually raised, or whether we are
talking about strong chakra activation, or kundalini related phenomena being
involved.
There are various ways kundalini can rise, but the end result is the full
snake like phenomenon, which I'll describe in another post.
Today, a great many energy body phenomena and kundalini related activity are
taken for actual raised kundalini. It can be very confusing. But there is
only one main event; the snake.
9) Is there a point to raising the Kundalini more than once? Are the
experiences different in what is learned/gained every time?
Once kundalini is raised it must be developed and raised many times before
it fully grows. I have not gone past the full medusa and Aumm stage, but I
plan to get back into training very soon. It gets easier to do every time
its done. In time, the fully raised state would replace normal meditation
and etc. This seems reasonable expectation.
Also, raising kundalini many times seems to help the enlightenment process,
which is a staggered affair; one step at a time.
10) What is gained by having the crown chakra opened during and after
Kundalini raising? What can one do with an opened crown chakra that they
normally can't do when it is closed, or less opened?
I'm not really sure about this as I've not experienced this. One also has to
define exactly what is meant by 'open'. Chakras are not like little doors
that can be opened and closed with some imagination and good intentions.
They are always active, but there are levels of activation. So an open crown
could jsut be a more active than ususal crown. This would cause some psychic
abilities to manifest.
A lot of problems can surround overactivation of the crown center. An
overactive crown can drain one of energy, so energy cannot be accumulated.
It just gets sucked up through the crown. Possession and various mental
problems can also be linked with this problem.
11) What are some of the things people report that they experience during
the Kundalini raising? Are they all fairly similar in theme, or are the
experiences vastly different? (e.g. traveling through tubes of light?,
seeing past lives?)
Yes, the experiences are fairly similar. Kundalini spikes up through the
spine are the norm. A blinding flash of white light in the minds eye, a
powerful OBE or near death experience. Some kind of examination by masters
or deities. I've not experienced past lives but this may be possible in some
cases. Travelling through a tube of light may also happen in some cases.
The variety of experiences may be caused by differences in development and
in the energy body, and by the age of the incarnating spirit, eg, spiritual
maturity, etc.
12) In relation to item 6), what is the ULTIMATE goal of Kundalini raising,
assuming it is a process that requires multiple experiences to reach an
ultimate goal.
I think the ultimate goal is to become a physically immortal master. But I
need to explore all this further.
I may have a way to safely train people using something new. This is
experimental but it may work. Kundalini can be raised in the pre OBE
vibrational state. I've done this and its quite easy. If one does not need
to raise kundalini fully first, it may be possible to train people to
cleanse and condition the kundalini snake pathway with a lower level of
energy than what normally occurs during the main event.
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There is widespread misunderstanding about kundalini. Most seem to
think its a raise once and its done kind of thing. But this is not the case
at all. Kundalini is a discrete bioenergy phenomenon, much like a sneeze or
an orgasm. One could not say after a single orgasm that ones orgasm is now
raised and active. Neither could one say that after a single kundalini
raising, or related phenomena, that ones kundalini is now raised. Kundalini
must be raised many times and developed.
A single kundalini raised experience may last from 5 to 30 minutes. Longer
may be possible with higher development. The raised state is heavily energy
dependent, so when energy resources are reduced it just stops. But while it
is raised one becomes God, in a sense. Ones personality is still present,
but ones higher self rises very close to the surface indeed. And ones higher
self is about as close to God as one can get. So raised kundalini could be
called a full higher self manifestation.
The psychic abilities this causes are the natural abilities of a spirit, and
of ones higher self. They are not created out of nothing, they are freed.
Kundalini does change one and one does experience enlightenment during its
peak. But this is abstract enlightenment, eg, one knows everything at the
time because one is experiencing a level of God consciousness. But after the
experience one reverts to normal consciousness and knowledge. However,
something is then changed and ones inspirational abilities, plus all psychic
abilities, are greatly enhanced.
Then begins the staggered realization process where higher knowledge is
gained one small step at a time. But this progressive gaining of knowledge
will only bear true fruit if one has a sound belief system, and if one
applies the empirical process, eg, first build a solid foundation and then
add to it one thing at a time. If this discipline is not applied one is
likely to float away with the faries.
There are three main ways that kundalini will rise. The first is
spontaneously, in response to mental and emotional and spiritual states of
being, eg, Carl Jung had a spontaneous kundalini rising. The second is
through yoga practice where the body and mind are developed to the point
where kundalini will rise naturally. The third is to manually raise
kundalini by manipulating the energy body with body awareness techniques.
Ideally, a combination of all three would provide the best and safest
results.
To do this, one must first understand the nature of primary energy centers,
chakras, and the base center. A fundamental aspect of the base center is
that it acts a lot like an electrical capacitor. It is also heavily shielded
and earthed, in a bioenergy sense. Another aspect of chakras is their
ability to 'strobe'. This is a natural high level function. Once a chakra's
energy peaks, reaches critical mass, it strobes and releases all its energy
in one moment. The natural path for this energy is upwards, and as it floods
upwards it creates new high voltage energy conduits, and flash activates the
chakras above one at a time. This last can happen in several ways, depending
on how prepared the energy body is, but there is only one raised kundalini
phenomenon, eg, the full internal snake phenomenon.
When kundalini rises, it feels like a physical snake as thick as a man's
wrist forces its way up through the perenium; between anus and genitals. It
forces its way in 3.5 clockwise spiral up through the body. Ones internal
organs will be felt sloshing and moving as they are pushed out of the way,
as kundalini raises through the body, neck and head to the crown.
The internal snake phenomenon is caused by an internal manifestation of
ectoplasm. This is the only reasonable explanation.
A brilliant minds eye flash of light (like a giant camera flash) will occur
at the beginning of a kundalini raising. This leaves a feeling of mild
concussion on the face, as if one had been slapped. This is because the
whole face contains the support structure for the brow chakra, and is thus
involved with the brow center strobe. Note that the brow center strobe can
occur seperately from a kundalini event, eg, during the formation of the
vision screen of high function clairvoyance (what could be called a
Nostradamus level phenomena). Brow center strobes can also result from
various practices, including meditation and astral projection exercises. If
this happens, it indicates strong natural clairvoyance potential is present,
even if dormant and unrealized.
Normally the crown and brow will not fully activate during early kundalini
raising events. But once these activate it feels like ones skull vanishes
and from the surface of ones brain hundreds of fat, fleshy fingers, like
little snakes, are felt to appear. These feel as real as ones other fingers.
At this time, the brow fuses with the crown the one in the nose bridge, and
this new chakra structure is felt as a heavy, fleshy flap hanging down over
ones brow and bridge of nose. This feels as if ones skull (the entire area
above the hair line) has turned into a sea anenome.
These fingers (I think the eastern term is petals) respond instantly to
thought. If one things of any concept, the fingers form intricate geometric
patterns. I think this may be where mandallas come from. Note, if you read
the book 'Secret of the Golden Flower', in the commentary by Jung, he
explains that mandallas are resident in the human psyche in all races. I highly recommend this book.
Another interesting phenomenon here is that if one thinks of a living
person, these fingers form a pattern, but some also point to 'where' this
person is in the real world.
In order to raise kundalini, one must repeatedly raise a lot of energy to
the base center. Most of what is raised immediately leaks away, is earthed
away. But if this practice is continued, there comes a
point where the insulation is burned away and the base strobes. The first
symptom of this is a massive kundalini spike up through the spine. This can
be extremely painful, burning and electrical sensations. It is wise to stop
for a breather at this point, but without breaking relaxation discipline.
Note that if the body is not prepared by fasting and purging beforehand, the
bowels will turn to water and let go in response to full physical shock.
Now, if one begins raising energy again a minute or so later, another spike
will occur, just as strong but a bit less painful, and then the serpent will
be released. Ideally it will rise fairly rapidly and smoothly all the way to
the crown, in 3.5 clockwise coils.
I recommend 3 days fasting prior to an attempt, or other yoga purging practices can be used to achieve the same internally cleansed state. I find my energy peaks on the 3rd day. This helps as one needs every ounce of energy one can muster to raise kundalini.
A type of near death experience will usually occur. I don't have enough data
to say for sure, but this is a reasonable observation. In my case, I was
evicted from my physical body (I think it died of shock) and, in brief, I
was examinied by three deities (or ascended masters). Two shook their heads
and retired, but the third came down and helped me. He showed me my errors
and how to rectify my problems through spiritual cleansing (not physical).
When Kundalini has been more developed, eg, raised a dozen or so times (a week apart for each event is wise), and the crown becomes fully active, one will also experience the Aummmm. This is quite loud and if feels and sounds like the word 'Aummm' being said continually (one tone) by a man with a deep voice. This, I think, may be the underlaying sound (or Word) of creation.
Warning: This subject must be approached with great care and respect. This is a long term goal, a lifetimes work. Raising kundalini is a dangerous thing to do. And the less prepared and developed a person is, the more dangerous it becomes. Madness and or death can result, as can a variety of serious physical and mental disorders, if one who is unprepared does this. As said, master wake induced OBE first, as this is not only a more achievable goal, but it also helps prepare one for higher levels of energy body activation and kundalini.
Take care, Robert
Hi All,
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"Raising kundalini involves taking a big step in spiritual evolution. It is possible that this could free one from the reincarnational mechanism of life, and set one on a new path of evolution, the path of the masters. I think ascension to becoming a living master is possible through kundalini.
Also, one of the most noticeable things that happens is that during raised kundalini state, ones higher self manifests very strongly through you. You virtually become your higher self, but still retain your human personality. Bathed in the sacred Aummm, ones connection to God is extremely noticeable and real."
Excellent! My experience exactly. Only I would say that instead of virtually becoming, etc, you do become your Higher-Self. As I merged with my higher-self I heard from the Source, "Two become One." And it was.
Thank You Richard for bringing this topic up, and for the good work in providing this information.
Love Always,[:)]
hi,Tayesin,you are most welcome! Lets help each other[:)][8D]
WUUUT, This must be the most insightfull article on Kundalini i ever read. Internal ectoplasm ehh guess thats the ghost arm/snake thing that feel ultra soft lol or ultrasharp when it touches your glands .
THANKS ALOT ! just that description of what happens put me alot more to rest , finally i think i can write off once and for all being raped by a hungry sex ghost [:P] (thought i was 70 % sure of that allready).
I thought only the spineenergy was the kundalini! So in the beginning I dubted it was kundalini since although it was very similar symtomvize every site said elsewhere said it started alway in the back of the spine , while mine would always begin to act up between the anus genitals and bring the spine online later.
So basicly as i read it .The energy running up the spine to the head(and brings bliss) isnt the main event in kundalini , the ghost snake/hand gotta burrow/move all the way trough the genitial area and to the head (or is it the hearth)?(then i guess ive only been halfway there ).
Hmm i think i should try to ask Mr.Bruce a few questions myself.
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Originally posted by Jon_88
WUUUT, This must be the most insightfull article on Kundalini i ever read. Internal ectoplasm ehh guess thats the ghost arm/snake thing that feel ultra soft lol or ultrasharp when it touches your glands .
THANKS ALOT ! just that description of what happens put me alot more to rest , finally i think i can write off once and for all being raped by a hungry sex ghost [:P] (thought i was 70 % sure of that allready).
I thought only the spineenergy was the kundalini! So in the beginning I dubted it was kundalini since although it was very similar symtomvize every site said elsewhere said it started alway in the back of the spine , while mine would always begin to act up between the anus genitals and bring the spine online later.
So basicly as i read it .The energy running up the spine to the head(and brings bliss) isnt the main event in kundalini , the ghost snake/hand gotta burrow/move all the way trough the genitial area and to the head (or is it the hearth)?(then i guess ive only been halfway there ).
Hmm i think i should try to ask Mr.Bruce a few questions myself.
wat is ze kundanii and where can i find him?
Kundalini sleeps in your butt.
Well, not really, but it comes up from the Base Chakra, which located tweenst the genitals and the butt, so when it rises, it probably feels like it's coming from the butt.
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Originally posted by Risu no Kairu
Kundalini sleeps in your butt.
Well, not really, but it comes up from the Base Chakra, which located tweenst the genitals and the butt, so when it rises, it probably feels like it's coming from the butt.
thanks[:)]
Hopefully, I've been working on this tirelessly enough to come a long way, fast. so you may hear some advice after a question is posed.
I have experienced all this and find that the socalled examining masters are parts of the self. Aspects of the lower nature seem to be brought to the attention of your higher consciousness for purposes of reconciliation. Other attending presenses may be noticed, too.
Hello Richard and welcome to the forum.[:)]
What a brilliant first topic you've posted! Thank you very much for sharing the info Robert had sent to you.
Kundalini is an important subject with far reaching concequences, yet there is still so much misinformation about it on the internet. Especially in light of the recent topics posted about it, this post of yours has come at a very good time. I think this will help a lot of people, so I am going to make it a sticky topic.
Thanks again Richard.
All the best,
James.
Richard Kang, I too have spoken a little bit with Robert about Kundalini. I must add though that this was BY FAR the longest post I have ever seen on the forum. I came to this topic earlier, but just wasn't in the mood to read it at the time, so here I am now. You may not get a lot of responces simply because of the novel sized text. One thing you should be aware of is that it's almost impossible to get Mr. Bruce himself to see one of your posts and respond to it, e-mail is the way to go, as I'm sure you've discovered. On a personal opinion, Kundalini is a strange thing and the answers are hard to find. Robert (I speak as if we're buds but it's easiest to just call him Robert) told me that if you are serious about Kundalini you should first master OBE, because you will learn control over the energy body when you do. Just a side note, when he reached his highest state of kundalini it was after a 3 day fast and 6 hours of meditation, so prepare for some strenuous devotion. I have heard many MANY different posts on kundalini, but Robert is the only one that has actually given me sound advice on it's practice. From personal experience, don't take too many posts on this forum seriously. It's rare to find anyone that actually agrees, so search for yourself! Good luck pal!
[:D]Hello everyone.Thanks Mr Robert.
First of all,i would like to thanks James S make my topic as sticky topic,thus let more people to focus on Kundalini.And also thanks AlphaOmega's and Jon_88s reply.As we known the Kundalini is most powerful and mysterious human evolution method in the world.Like AlphaOmega metioned in the topic,i was waiting for Mr Bruce's reply for almost 2 week(almost sent email 3 times and also post my question on the forum).Finally he gave us a wonderful reply...
If u want to activate your kundalini,first i think most of us should focus on NEW energy system,becos I think this is the most basic level in the whole process.Energy is simply everything.
I have a little disagreement with Mr Bruce's reply.I believe that sexual energy play a crucial role in thr Kundalini development.When you are doing engergy development works,your sexual behavior must be strictly forbidden during this period,otherwise you are wasting ur life and time.
The ordinary people which never do energy works,their engery spead over whole body.But after u have done energy development works,all energy gathering in your major storage center.IF you release it in sexual behavior,it can be harmful to you-becos it can be release too much energy in one time,and you have to spent more time than ordinary people to recover to a normal body energy level.
My point is that no matter sexual engergy or digestion engergy,that are the same energy and comes from the same source,the only difference is your body use them in different ways.Our body energy storage system just like a battery,provide energy to various of channels,such as eyes,brain,sexual organ...
Another thing is crucial to kundalini is that your life must be organised in a strict discipline.This sounds irrelative to Kundalini.
The secret of Kundalini,only few can tell in the world...I believe everybody is a seed of god.Tell yourself,impossible is nothing.Lets help each other and put more effort.
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Who reveals the truth about God,and who comes from the Father.
i find that if i "waste my sexual energy" it comes back to regular levels within a half hour.
Namaste,
Haven't been here in a while and I am glad to see what I see. I as especially excited to see such an interesting topic as kundalini energy. I, as well as Mr. Bruce have seen little accurate information on the nature of this energy and its purpose within the human psycho-physical form. I have read your response Mr. Bruce and I have to say that the nature of the energy itself is, in its essence what you say it to be. Meaning this; that I get "high" when my kundalini activates and rises. No other body energy does this. And this is my offering/question. I have ready many treatises that speak of the kundalini(an essentially Indian term, a.k.a.-sanskrit)as the same, or equivalent energy as the conception and governing vessel circuit(as named within the Chinese model). I have, through personal experience, found this to be untrue. Within the Indian(or from this point on, i will call "yogic")model; kundalini is described quite well, and in a very similiar, if not in confoundedly symbolic and esoteric forms; as Mr. Robert Bruce shares with us from his personal experiences. I don't know what experience you(Mr. Bruce)have had with essentially Chinese models of energy body jargon; but I have found relavitly little if any direct references to such an energy even existing. I have talked to a few people who are more experienced than I within those models, and they too have had very little to offer. I know that the hui-yin cavity is to be contracted; and within the yogic system of body energy jargon, this is the moolah bandha; "base lock" or "root lock". Now, from my personal experience, the microcosmic orbit is felt(by me)when I do not try to lift the hui-yin, or a moolah bandah. It is very important for me to keep a relaxed root and genital region in order for the flow of chi to become proper and balanced through the conception and governing vessels. On the other hand; when I concentrate the moolah bandha, or lift the hui-yin(for those who do not know, this refers to the subtle (and there is emphasis on subtle for a reason) contraction or "lifting" of the pelvic floor, or the urogenital diaphragm; this in itself seems to activate kundalini. Now, both sensations are quite different for me. When I am working within the microcosmic orbit, I feel generally balanced, healthy and happy. When I am working with kundalini, it is intense, fast, extraodinarily consciousness expanding, and at times frightening. So, Mr. Bruce, or anyone else who may be knowledgable of the issues brought forth, I am interested in any information pertaining to these energies; their differences, similarities, their relationship, harmonies and contradictions and most importantly, other experiences with these energies. Thank you all, Namaste, shadowdancer
He answered wisely, "How bout that "
In my opinion the kundalini is most important. The base chakra; if that is the term for the chakra two inches from navel, is a place ching san feng (sorry if misspelled) the father of tai chi chuan' has taught us is a storage place to put "chi, ki, etc..) keeping the chi in this area results in more energy production not to mention all the other positive effects.
Forgive my forgetting but isn't the kundalini a term for the energy, or is it one of many terms for a chakra. I know the answer but the local pub gave me a beer buzz,
So as I said before the energy if allowed to sink, or settle and store in the tan tien or naval chakra will increase energy and many other miracle-like side effects will result.
The man whom posted this thread has a good point in his later reply. The chi should not be wasted, but saved, In other words wait for a reason to release,
p.s. not to knock sex
p.s.s. do dare to persavere, by constant application greatness is achieved.
Please forgive my momentary spelling blunder(s)
Check out this web site if you did not see it. www.freewebs.com/chipowers/
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Originally posted by capelli
Forgive my forgetting but isn't the kundalini a term for the energy, or is it one of many terms for a chakra.
Kundalini is a term for a special type of feminine energy based in the sacrum, the lowest part of the spine. It is the most powerful energy in a human being, and is said to be part of the enlightment process.
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Originally posted by KatoCheck out this web site if you did not see it. www.freewebs.com/chipowers/
I checked out this site but it has nothing to do with kundalini ... (?) Even with energy, it's only ki stuff seen everywhere else. I like the design though.
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Cup your hands like ryu from street fighter.
This gives the the level of the whole thing. I don't know who is this auto-proclaimed "master" but he should do some NEW training, it's far more effective than these kiddy techs. I especially like the "mega giga ultra death move" :) We should only use 50% of our energy but form a ball of the size of an asteroid !! rofl ! [:D]
Anyway i like the design.
our cult is better than their cult
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Originally posted by Richard_kang
I have a little disagreement with Mr Bruce's reply.I believe that sexual energy play a crucial role in thr Kundalini development.When you are doing engergy development works,your sexual behavior must be strictly forbidden during this period,otherwise you are wasting ur life and time.
You can cultivate and store your sexual energy instead of expelling it during sex, which could have a very positive benefit in development in my opinion. Plus you will still keep the girlfriend happy. [;)]
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You can cultivate and store your sexual energy instead of expelling it during sex, which could have a very positive benefit in development in my opinion. Plus you will still keep the girlfriend happy. [;)]
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hi,fallnangel,you provide a good idea,would you give me some detailed information?thanx[:)]
Hi, Richard. This has been discussed on the forum. Doing a search will get you a lot of information. I would also suggest reading The Multi-Orgasmic Man by Mantak Chia which is available on amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0062513362/qid=1084273159/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/002-1694161-6352847?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
Thanx fallnangel![:D]I will check it out!
Best regards!
I have gained understanding from Robert Bruce's reply that one should first pursue energetic development(NEW- my preference) and OBE before going on to kundalini.
I discovered through personal experience myself the most effective way to practice NEW or any energetic development you are pursuing.
Trance/Relaxation. I find that after I stay in a deeply/fully relaxed state while keeping a quiet mind - I experience spontaneous energetic movement.
In short- after a trance-linke state of being some enrgetic development is made. And even during a trance or trance-like state, energy is easily manipulated.
As well I find that after and during this state- spontaneous emotional and mental healing occurs. I have not yet experienced physical healing as I am it seem s in good physical condition.
But, one's healing and energetic abilities are expanded after a while.
To sum it up- during a trance, relaxed(mentally and physically), or trance-like state, spontaneous energetic development can be made even without one's conscious effort(although that helps). And to further it, Other capabilities are temporarily expanded.
I hope this sheds some light![:)]
I've not experienced kundalini (i'm working toward it) but i predict that one day, far from now, it will not be the mysterious, mystical subject that it is. I compare Mr. Bruce to Columbus: he and others are pioneering adventurers in the new age. They are RETEACHING what we have lost to time: ancient civilizations were familiar with kundalini and spiritual connectiveness. The knowledge was lost, whether deliberately or accidentally (the former i think, because we are the planet of Free Choice, and it's a hard one).
I am reading a book by a guru whose oral teachings have been translated and hard bound. (it's available online, but i don't have the name with me) It is yoga and mantra and words of power to raise kundalini. WARNING: as mentioned, messing with such energy at this point in human evolution is extrememly dangerous. The power tampered with is the power of the atom, the ectoplasm that binds microcosmic universes together. And probably macrocosmic too. As Above, So Below. Everything in this multiverse is truly, truly connected.
The energy raised, if ones body is not healthy, and the cells not primed and prepared, can cause irreprable brain damage and death. This is a process of human evolution where the species will EVENTUALLY all learn to do this naturally, and the vibration of our planet will be raised to utopic levels (is that a word?)
It is all very exciting and challenging, and...well, it's not easy. If it were easy there wouldn't be a point, and the point, like Mr. Bruce said, is to become enlightened masters, to be one with God, and realize that we ARE God, forgotten who we are.
Raising the energy levels is a lifetimes work, a worthy spiritual goal that transcends all religions, all races, all sciences. It is what we truly are, fully enabled beings of love and creation. It is how Christ manifested miracles like multiplying bread and fish and raising the dead. Our future is bright, but it must be won.
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Originally posted by Lynfer
I have gained understanding from Robert Bruce's reply that one should first pursue energetic development(NEW- my preference) and OBE before going on to kundalini.
I discovered through personal experience myself the most effective way to practice NEW or any energetic development you are pursuing.
Trance/Relaxation. I find that after I stay in a deeply/fully relaxed state while keeping a quiet mind - I experience spontaneous energetic movement.
In short- after a trance-linke state of being some enrgetic development is made. And even during a trance or trance-like state, energy is easily manipulated.
As well I find that after and during this state- spontaneous emotional and mental healing occurs. I have not yet experienced physical healing as I am it seem s in good physical condition.
But, one's healing and energetic abilities are expanded after a while.
To sum it up- during a trance, relaxed(mentally and physically), or trance-like state, spontaneous energetic development can be made even without one's conscious effort(although that helps). And to further it, Other capabilities are temporarily expanded.
I hope this sheds some light![:)]
I agree with you Lynfer,Trance is a shortcut to energy development,and very effective,but the problem is go into trance is not quiet easy,if we get too tired at daytime,we will fall into sleep while doing trance.Now i am still thinking how to go into trance more easily.
Robert Bruce wrote:
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...in brief, I was examinied by three deities (or ascended masters). Two shook their heads and retired, but the third came down and helped me. He showed me my errors and how to rectify my problems through spiritual cleansing (not physical).
I wonder what he meant by spiritual cleansing - what needed cleansing, why, and how did he undergo cleansing?
Also, you can email RB? How do you do it? Does he actually respond? He must get a lot...
Bryan
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Originally posted by Richard_kang
I agree with you Lynfer,Trance is a shortcut to energy development,and very effective,but the problem is go into trance is not quiet easy,if we get too tired at daytime,we will fall into sleep while doing trance.Now i am still thinking how to go into trance more easily.
Who ever said it was hard. It is one of the easiest things to do with the right technique done the right way.
If you need specific instructions you can email me.Best of luck![;)]
Wow what a fantastic post!
Stunning read.
I have been very much aware of the dangers of over stimulation and the need for correct preperation.
Big thumbs up from me![:D]
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Originally posted by Risu no Kairu
Kundalini sleeps in your butt.
Well, not really, but it comes up from the Base Chakra, which located tweenst the genitals and the butt, so when it rises, it probably feels like it's coming from the butt.
[:D] Lol!!
Holy, geez! Y'all people are just like, "Oh, great thing on Kundalini! Better than other things I've read on Kundalini!"
But me. This is the first thing I've EVER read on Kundalini (well, that's not true. He mentioned it a few times in the Astral Dynamics book, but not enough that I would really know what it is.) I'm not some guy that's read every metaphysical book out there, you know? This is a really exciting idea. It actually moves your internal organs? Wow!
I guess I have another addition to my short list of goals in life.
I mean, I'm really excited to learn about this. You have no idea.[:D][:D][:D]
When kundalini is just an effect the innermost process goes trough this
chakras.It seems like an electrical snake /tentacles connects to the higher centers over he head. When it is the death of the EGO the higher self is now active.It is not the death of the ego, but a transformation process from ego to higher self.That Higher self becomes the mind?It governs now stronger over the subconscious, it pumps now that energy out of the higher centers and the subconscious!?
Maybe this higher self is just a demon?Maybe this chakras are just connection points to controll the human race trough emotional control?
Maybe it is the state of Armageddon,the rage, which holds the gate to the multidemensional universe of the soul, where the dark meets the light, we have forgotten to often.
Hello! I found a page with lots of Kundalini links. Enjoi!
http://www.kundalini-gateway.org/links.html
hi,dear Robert,I'm Richard.I email to you for few times,thans for reply.Today i just buy ur Astral Dynamics on amazon.com: )
I've interested in Kundalini for few years and have a stong feeling that i have to achieve something very important in Yoga.
Now there is a trouble and a contradiction in my mind:like ur said, Kundalini needs to be developed, It is energy dependent, just like the OBE or Vision Screen states. I agree with u! engery is everything. But,if a young man pursues,can he get marry or have a girlfriend?Is sexual behavior release engergy or qi?
Last year,i did breathe excercise for 5 months,try to store vital energy in my base chakra,my chaka start vibrate more than 1000 times eveyday.But i made a mistake:I release all my engergy(becos my girlfriend,hehe).So,5 months effort was gone.I think the success or failure of the kundalini may really depends on the individual who can control his behavior,he must have a strict discipline,right?
I read ur article about Kundalini on forum today.I also read the book written by Gopi Krishna.But i still not very clear about how to work on chakra and which chakra is crucial to arousal of Kundalini.Can u give me some suggestions or some method about this?and i also have few questions:What is the relationship between the Kundalini and sex energy? Is sex engery must be saved for Kundalini?How should i know that my base chakra has been fully developed?Is it has any symptom? which posture do u choose for meditation,lie on the bed(i used to lie on the bed but always fell into sleep) or sit on the chair?
Thank you very much and take care,Robert!
At my advanced age, my digestion has become so irregular, that Bob Bruce's suggestion that a full-blown raising of the Kundalini would "liquify the bowels" might have become one of my greatest inducements to continue to plung forward with my Kundalini Meditations. Enlightenment and the full plethora of Divine Graces would indeed be nice, but OH to finally be rid of that perpetual bloated feeling.
Thanks to Richard Lang for bringing up the topic and Robert Bruce for answering.
I have a question:
Do either of you and any of you out there have experience with other energy practices as well? Kundalini is not the way I'm drawn. And I agree, I think it's extremely dangerous when not prepared and almost as much so even when prepared.
Thanks for such a great post.
I was thinking about Bob Bruce's essay on his Kundalini experiences, and it occurred to me that he was describing a pathology. Remember how he spoke of the 3 and a half coils through his body. Well, a properly raised Kundalini goes straight up the spine. But if the full Kundalini goes up one of the side channels, THEN it spirals.
But it is good to hear about somebody who did it so wrong and lived to talk about it.
The two channels are the Ida and the Pingala. The center channel is the Sushumma. One of the side channels is HEAT, and the other side is COOL. Bob must have been lucky and hit the COOL side or the resultant fever of the HEAT side would likely have made him very sick.
Happy is the man who lives his own truth.
Needy is the man who lives someone elses.
G
Delusional is one who makes his own truth in fantasy :)
As for Kundalini, I picked up a book called Kundalini Yoga. I plan on writing about it in the book review section of this site once I've read the parts.
At first I was hesitant as I've read that stimulating Kundalini energies can be dangerous. Reading closely in the book, it mentions this too, and says that it actually doesn't do this, but rather works on balancing the chakras so that the energies can naturally flow through better.
This makes it different from stimulating the Kundalini on it's own. As far as I can tell, the dangerous kind is when you stimulate the Kundalini, but when it flows through it's too strong and ... I dunno stretches out the chakras too fast or unblocks blockages too fast...
If chakras are real, mine are real blocked.
QuoteDelusional is one who makes his own truth in fantasy
Who decides what is 'real' and what is 'fantasy'? Only a judgemental obvserver ;)
I should explain at this point that I haven't got a clue as to what 'Kundalini' is.
I make it a point to trust my instincts, even when those instincts lead me blind into a discussion or experience.
If I had a name for everything, I wouldn't stop talking about it! Instead I do whatever I feel is right
I guess I mean I treat my life as experiential, not observational :)
I figure this much, if I survive anything I can throw at myself, then it's not dangerous; and if it kills me, I'll know (instinctively) not to do it again.
That's not to say that I don't heed the warnings of others; I use them as reinforcement for the fact that I'll be OK :)
Kind regards,
Geoff
There are lots of places to read about Kundalini, a LOT of new age stuff has it.
I read Robert Bruce's description and it sounds like a lot of what is being said in many places about a sudden explosive experience with audio-visual manifestations and heat etc. I always wondered why I did not get that. I seemed to come on to it much more gradually and without any big sudden surges like he described. First I did hatha yoga for some years and knew nothing about kundalini but sometimes sitting still afternoons in the office would feel strange in my head as if it were somehow lighter or separated form my body(sitting upright for hours is probably like in meditation stimulating upward flow of energy I presume) and I had a quiet feeling in my heart chakra from saying mantra Soham(I am this). Later on one day when doing deep backward bends where I could pull my foot all the way to the back of my head I felt my 3rd eye for the first time. some months after this I started in on Kriya yoga pranayama(energy raising breath techniques) and kept that up for a couple of years. This increased slowly day for day the feeling of energy throughout my body. As I started getting overload, headaches, etc. I stopped this practice. In the last year or so I tried some other energy practices like N.E.W., Sufi Heart rhythym meditation and tibetan dream yoga (concentrate and thereby stimulate chakras before falling asleep and do lucid dreams).
In the course of my practice of pranayama for example my hand and feet chakras opened up suddenly one dayupon waking. N.E.W. for example helps to spread available energy away from the body trunk towards the limbs thereby dissipating energy and reducing headaches, etc.
I tend to the belief that there are various techniques or schools for raising kundalini. Some are possibly into big experiences and a sudden energy rush and others (like kriya yoga or NEW) are extremely gradual where you notice slow changes in your energy state from day to day and month to month until you just have tons of it but no big shock and no negative consequences. Maybe the big explosive stuff comes from not being cleansed through years of yoga and similar so that K has to break through barriers. I cannot really say. I would have to have a large number of experiences of people before me to evaluate their spiritual habits beforehand and their experience of the energy over time in a sort of quasi scientific study. This however seems quite difficult to manage because people tend to keep such experiences private.
It is even conceivable that(presupposing a belief in reincarnation) if one was somehow prepared through good moral behaviour or meditation, etc. in previous lives then an easy, gradual painfree K awakening could occur in this life. I learned a couple of years after my first K experiences about Jyotish(indian astrology) and to my surprise that my horoscope predicted in the time frame (1998-99) that I actually experienced my 3rd eye opening and started Kriya yoga pranayama course that I would likely activate my kundalini. This got me to thinking that it was just my fate in this life to make some better spiritual progress and maybe it is just not for some people now(like nobody I know at work, family,e tc. for example). I think I was always an overly spiritual type of guy anyway as I see old family pictures where I look like a monk or a rabbi (full beard) or my brother laughed at me earlier as having been like in a trance through going to a pentecostal church as a teenager. Obviously people reading this and coming to this site are here as they are interested in this stuff and this is due to their karma, so probably K is for them.
The development never stops however.
In the last few days I had throbbing in all the roots of my teeth so that eating was even painful. Now I had to slow down on some energy work(throat and forehead chakra probalby the culprits here). The only time I had pain in my teeth in this way before this was when with my now wife and before we had kids we were making love every day for a week or so which sadly overstimulated my K (before I knew it even existed). At least I do not get headaches from K now anymore thank God.
Hold on a minute...I just read the article and it says that you can die from doing the NEW system?!?!
What tha...I read the book and it says there that it is completely safe
Quote from: The Night MistHold on a minute...I just read the article and it says that you can die from doing the NEW system?!?!
What tha...I read the book and it says there that it is completely safe
You can't die simply from using NEW, quite the opposite! The only danger is through improperly activating/raising the Kundalini which is very difficult to do 'by accident'.
Ohh...that's a relief, for a minute there I was ...hmm...puzzeled
Where did you read this article? A link or a reference would be useful :)
Kind regards,
Geoff
QuoteWarning: This subject must be approached with great care and respect. This is a long term goal, a lifetimes work. Raising kundalini is a dangerous thing to do. And the less prepared and developed a person is, the more dangerous it becomes. Madness and or death can result, as can a variety of serious physical and mental disorders, if one who is unprepared does this. As said, master wake induced OBE first, as this is not only a more achievable goal, but it also helps prepare one for higher levels of energy body activation and kundalini.
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
I have not checked the channel, but I can guess....
Who posted that article?
Quote from: geoffWhere did you read this article? A link or a reference would be useful :)
Kind regards,
Geoff
Are you asking about the Robert Bruce Essay that was quoted in its entirety in the second Post of this very Thread? It was quite a prize!
I was surprised to find that Bob Bruce was speaking of a sideways raising of the Kundalini as though it was accepted and ordinary practice. All of the Traditional Schools of Kundalini suggest the correct way of raising the Energy is to bring it straight up the Spine through the Sushumma Channel. But Bob talks about bringing it up one of the side channels -- either the Ida or the Pingali -- as though he would recommend it.
I guess this is what you can suspect from people who think they don't need Gurus.
QuoteI guess this is what you can suspect from people who think they don't need Gurus
I guess so. I make it a point to have my misconceptions explained to me; just so I can judge them for myself.
It's wrong, maybe, to give a beleif as a truth, or offer an experience as a generalisation.
But then at least some people are experimenting, and even in the face of perceived dangers.
After all; How do you know that pricking your finger with a pin hurts? Because you were told? or because you *just had to* do it?
Kind regards,
Geoff
Oh... I dug around a bit to see if Bob Bruce's 'clockwise' Snake was Ida or Pingali. Ida, the lefthand, lunar and cool side would be preferrable to the Pingali righthand solar side. Coolness would not hurt so much as heat.
And we are lucky. The Ida does turn Clockwise. the Pingali, or hot side turns counterclockwise.
I also found a reference that says that during ordinary energy flow, the energy rises through the Ida Lunar lefthand clockwise channel, and descends through the Pingali righthand counterclockwise hot Channel. But in the Yogic Process the energies are to be mixed and balanced. The rise of the Kundalini through the Central Sushuma Channel in the spine is the ultimate success of this Balancing.
I have a simple question Leo:
Do you ever experiment? or just read?
Kindest regards,
Geoff
Quote from: geoffI have a simple question Leo:
Do you ever experiment? or just read?
Kindest regards,
Geoff
If I would have spent all my time reading, you would think I would be better with my references.
I am actually a High Initiate from one of the Schools of Kundalini I have mentioned (I won't say which one, because these schools often claim proprietary rights over the details of their Teachings, and I would not wish to be sued for being open with Information). And I have always been very social and so I have hobnobbed with those of other spiritual and Yogic Traditions. My own Kundalini Guru explicitly enjoined us to experiment as much as possible, both with our own ideas, and also with other Schools, Movement and Methods.
I myself came up with a few Kundalini Techniques, but all of my fellows quite ignored them, because they didn't come from the Guru.... so it seems that Gurus approve more of Experimentation than do some followers... but I guess that is the difference between Gurus and Followers.
When I was young I did a great deal of reading. It is good to acquire Culture, and you can do that by reading. By informing yourself of the details of other people's spiritual cultures it enables you to speak intelligently to them. I can't imagine that you would insinuate that such openness to other people's Traditions can somehow be considered blameworthy. Has Ignorance become a Virtue?
Yet even the Books themselves insist that a time comes when one needs to set the Books aside and actually do the work. When I was a child I read every available book on Aviation, but when I reached 16 I took every dollar I saved since I was 8 and took Flying Lesson and learned how to Fly. It is a Step by Step Process -- read about it and do it.
If you do not read about it, then you are skipping a step. But, then again, after they elected George Bush, MAYBE Ignorance HAS BECOME a Virtue.
Quote from: Leo VolontI also found a reference that says that during ordinary energy flow, the energy rises through the Ida Lunar lefthand clockwise channel, and descends through the Pingali righthand counterclockwise hot Channel. But in the Yogic Process the energies are to be mixed and balanced. The rise of the Kundalini through the Central Sushuma Channel in the spine is the ultimate success of this Balancing.
You can also check which of the solar/lunar nadis are dominant by becoming aware of what nostril is least congested. If the left nostril seems open that's usually a clear sign of ida-activity, and vice-versa. The tradition of Swara Yoga goes more deeply into this and how to balance or activate either one before activities associated with that kind of energy. Swar(a) means dominant nostril.
Apparently there is a pretty detailed cycle of solar/lunar dominance depending on the moon and sun's position in the sky that we would follow naturally (and benefit from) if our nervous-systems were clean enough to resonate properly with those cosmic energies. So far, the only good english book I've found on Swara Yoga is Harish Johari's 'Breath, Mind and Consiousness': http://www.sanatansociety.com/hinduism_books/hb_breath_mind_consciousness.htm
Here's a short summary of what Swara Yoga is all about:
http://www.sanatansociety.org/yoga_and_meditation/swara_yoga.htm
Dear Pindar,
Cool.
One of my favorite remembrances from reading the Collected Works of Swami Vivekananda is the breathing exercise he gives, I think in the opening Chapter of Raja Yoga (he could be quite unsystematic and discursive at times). The exercise involved balancing the breathing between the nostrils. It consists of this: place your hand up to your nose with your thumb to the right nostril and your forefinger to the left, and then closing the Right Nostril breath out Left and then breath in Left, then close the Left Nostril and breath out Right and then breath in Right... repeat.
Vivekananda also mentioned that each person would notice one nostril or the other being dominant during certain times of the day. Rarely do I ever find one nostril entirely blocked anymore.... but that may be because I regularly do this exercise.
Quote from: The Night MistQuoteWarning: This subject must be approached with great care and respect. This is a long term goal, a lifetimes work. Raising kundalini is a dangerous thing to do. And the less prepared and developed a person is, the more dangerous it becomes. Madness and or death can result, as can a variety of serious physical and mental disorders, if one who is unprepared does this. As said, master wake induced OBE first, as this is not only a more achievable goal, but it also helps prepare one for higher levels of energy body activation and kundalini.
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
I once (or twice) read that if it is your goal to achieve God/Self realization, you should be prepared to die. Such an achievement really is a death. Kundalini raising can be dangerous, but only if you haven't prepared your body and mind. I think the warning is for those who are doing it as a novelty.
That some respect the proprietary nature of their schools tells me they are not accredited to teach it.
I'm not sure of the need for many who call themselves gurus, anyway. Don't so many proclaim their art a science, which will work by law on anyone who practices their methods, no matter who?!
They string initiates along for money to fund great auditoriums when a laying-on-of-hands style of shaktipat administered from a nude hermit could be enough. Likely, this touch could be transmitted through any one of an organizational flyer or from any number of cosmic, magnetic or electrical points, without so much as the need for the flyer.
I have read in depth but find most writings to be irrelevant to the process of progression. After some attainment, you will find an expensive library of publications speaking symbolically, only. Through false interest, some of the otherwise useless stuff leaks to those who cannot even regurgitate it properly. Similar to pop TV characters trying to blend in with society and not getting the gist of the slang, wannabe mystics stick out like a sore thumb.
All physical exercizes for attaining self/god-realization, are symbolic. It is my belief that self-realization is the purpose of all yogas, and people perform them for years "improperly" without realizing what the point is. Only after thay can have clear thoughts of their spritual purpose, they realize what was being hinted at the whole time.
Otherwise, it is for the fact that the exercizes are attributed to a particular egregore or deity that performing a physical action will trigger chakral developement. Basically, the stored thought energy is programmed to be released to the speaking of a codeword or practice of a secret ritual.
The issue with a complete kundalini release is that it spells death to the human Ego. The fullest release of the pent up energy WILL BE stronger than the personality of the person who releasing it. This why you have to be ready to die.
Some theosophical organizations credit supernormal abilities to people who, through suicidal tendencies, automatically gave up their bodies to lesser Astral demons. These contractual tricks, which you are nonetheless accountable for, are the purpose for all the blind, initiatory levels.
In the case that people could attain the Spiritual Mark of God (not Astral) through the Baptism by Fire, it would spell death to the sinful nature of their humanity. Ego death, again.
An exercize meant to take advantage of certain astrological alignments has been prepared for throughout history. Energy released upon those dates will allow people to mark themselves as kundaletic adepts as soon as they physically choose to do so. They, too, will think they are recieving the mark of God, and they will live in an earthly paradise for a season.
Shouldn't the goal of everyone be to exist without Gurus? That's mine. The goal's to make everyone your Guru, until no one can teach you any more.
Hi Tyciol,
The real trick, I beleive, is to learn from every*thing* and not every*one*, and when you're tired of searching, you'll start to learn from yourself :)
A lot of posts for a new member! ;)
Kind regards,
Geoff
A very fresh breath of air. Thank you Pod. May I ask your cosmological perspective on those who claim the human race was corrupted by serpent blood and the Jesus represents the Way to our Source? Your prose impresses upon me images of dissapointed searches, yet with a reference to cosmic allignments, hints at pilgrimage to the various "power spots" on earth. What's your thoughts?
pharmakeia
Quote from: pod_3That some respect the proprietary nature of their schools tells me they are not accredited to teach it.
I'm not sure of the need for many who call themselves gurus, anyway. Don't so many proclaim their art a science, which will work by law on anyone who practices their methods, no matter who?!
They string initiates along for money to fund great auditoriums when a laying-on-of-hands style of shaktipat administered from a nude hermit could be enough. Likely, this touch could be transmitted through any one of an organizational flyer or from any number of cosmic, magnetic or electrical points, without so much as the need for the flyer.
I have read in depth but find most writings to be irrelevant to the process of progression. After some attainment, you will find an expensive library of publications speaking symbolically, only. Through false interest, some of the otherwise useless stuff leaks to those who cannot even regurgitate it properly. Similar to pop TV characters trying to blend in with society and not getting the gist of the slang, wannabe mystics stick out like a sore thumb.
All physical exercizes for attaining self/god-realization, are symbolic. It is my belief that self-realization is the purpose of all yogas, and people perform them for years "improperly" without realizing what the point is. Only after thay can have clear thoughts of their spritual purpose, they realize what was being hinted at the whole time.
Otherwise, it is for the fact that the exercizes are attributed to a particular egregore or deity that performing a physical action will trigger chakral developement. Basically, the stored thought energy is programmed to be released to the speaking of a codeword or practice of a secret ritual.
The issue with a complete kundalini release is that it spells death to the human Ego. The fullest release of the pent up energy WILL BE stronger than the personality of the person who releasing it. This why you have to be ready to die.
Some theosophical organizations credit supernormal abilities to people who, through suicidal tendencies, automatically gave up their bodies to lesser Astral demons. These contractual tricks, which you are nonetheless accountable for, are the purpose for all the blind, initiatory levels.
In the case that people could attain the Spiritual Mark of God (not Astral) through the Baptism by Fire, it would spell death to the sinful nature of their humanity. Ego death, again.
An exercize meant to take advantage of certain astrological alignments has been prepared for throughout history. Energy released upon those dates will allow people to mark themselves as kundaletic adepts as soon as they physically choose to do so. They, too, will think they are recieving the mark of God, and they will live in an earthly paradise for a season.
QuoteA very fresh breath of air. Thank you Pod. May I ask your cosmological perspective on those who claim the human race was corrupted by serpent blood and the Jesus represents the Way to our Source? Your prose impresses upon me images of dissapointed searches, yet with a reference to cosmic allignments, hints at pilgrimage to the various "power spots" on earth. What's your thoughts?
pharmakeia
Jesus represents for everyone the one Way to our Source, but only a selected few are corrupted by serpent blood.
The Holy-Spirit inspired Word of God is used by Christians
and New-Worlders to hint at the alchemy of mind, body, and spirit. There is a parable of carnal people being strengthened upon milk until they can eat the strong spiritual meat. That there are mysterious secrets is obviously being alluded to. However, when certain political figures clearly do not exhibit fruits of that spirit but say they are born again anyway, they are hinting at something, too.
Whatever created our universe and all of reality-isn't going to be bothered about judging. We are pretty good at doing that ourselves. The "Creator" probably just likes the experience of all life being lived throughout all of reality, and probably is just observing all...because "he/she/it" doesn't necessarily know what life is going to do next.
We are all rather daft if we think we have any real handle on knowing the "Creators" will, likes/dislikes or anything. Hence why I refuse to acknowledge any faith as my own. I'll only go by experience..my own experience. Hardline fundemental beliefs to me are onto a loser...again an opinion.
I use "Creator" in the way I do, because I don't know what label is the right one. So I use this cautiously.
Read this, it's quite interesting.
http://www.gnosis-usa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=93&Itemid=43
And Kundalini isn't a force that only the eastern traditions talk about. It is universal, although always hidden in symbols.
The real goal of alchemy is to raise the kundalini force in our body and unite us with our god.
We aren't gods.
We are nothing, we must be humble.
We betrayed our god and that's the reason we are in this state.
The apple that Eve gave to Adam is a symbol. The apple means DESIRE. We fell through sex, because sex is sacred and we have profaned this.
Kundalini can't rise with respiratory exercises. They are useful but they can't awaken kundalini.
Kundalini can be awakened only with the power of sex. With the practise of sex through husband and wife.
hi!
Your post I found impressive, until about halfway through.
"We aren't Gods" No there is only one God, but since he is the source of everything we all must be part of him. The same applies for GOOD and BAD.
"We are nothing, we must be humble" And where does it say that, the Bible? Wasn't the Bible made to control the masses? Do you not think it funny that the Bible allows for royalty, Kings and Queens but preaches that we are all equal?
Some of those scribes that wrote the Bible were whipped and beaten.
Is that Holy?
"The apple means DESIRE." What? so we all are supposed to supress DESIRE? It would be your desire to supress desire, so DESIRE you cannot escape.
"Kundalini can be awakened only with the power of sex. With the practise of sex through husband and wife." Well that is one way, but my Kundalini has awakened spontaneously.
You don't have to let religion become your prison, I would know because I have been there. :D
BTW: That, serpent that lead us all into temptation, is actually our Kundalini! 8)
I promote no RELIGION. All religions are true, all religions say the same thing but they say it with symbols and that's why we see them as different.
So you think that desire is something natural? For the animals yes, it's the way of living for them.
Do you have free will? Or you do something to satisfy a desire that you have?
Are you happy with life in this planet? Do you think that emotions like anger, lust, envy, gluttony are human? I think they are animalistic.
The bible was made in oder to control the masses?
Son of God died for us and the bible that talks about his life is something to control our lifes?
Don't believe anything you read, investigate!
Study the four noble truth of Buddism if you want to learn about desire.
Legend has it that the first teaching of the Buddha Shakyamuni revealed Four Truths to humanity. He said, "It is through not understanding, not realizing four things, that I, Disciples, as well as you, had to wander so long through this round of rebirths. And what are these four things? They are the Noble Truth of Suffering, the Noble Truth of the Origin of Suffering, the Noble Truth of the Extinction of Suffering, the Noble Truth of the Path that leads to the Extinction of Suffering."
1. Life is suffering. All sentient beings suffer.
2. Desire is the cause of suffering.
3. Suffering can be overcome if desire is removed.
4. There is a path to the elimination of desire.
Have you awakened kundalini?! So you can control the four elements by will? You can summon thunderstorms by will! You can heal anyone that is sick by will! Bravo!
(don't confuse the energy that can rise through ida and pingala with kundalini though...)
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(don't confuse the energy that can rise through ida and pingala with kundalini though...)
And here's me thinking that's exactly what it is...once you clear and raise it through those channels you bring it up the center..
There is some moralistic stuff in your post there SirLeon. Please don't assume that the answers you have found must be true for all. Our very beliefs *can* be our own prison.
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There is some moralistic stuff in your post there SirLeon. Please don't assume that the answers you have found must be true for all. Our very beliefs *can* be our own prison.
I agree with that. Don't believe what i say, or what someone else says. Investigate!
We have so wonderful tools to acquire knowledge through direct experience(Gnosis). It would be a shame to believe what others say.
There is a temple in my country(in Delphi) where in a sign it says "Man know yourself". Thalis from Militos, a great greek philosopher, said upon this "Man know yourself and you will know the universe and it's gods".
Peace and light for all of us,
So you say that as if by magic nature will make us divine beings in the future? You rely on the future for this?
You say that every person in the earth has his own truth?! Truth is only our father who is in heaven.
In the past people believed that the earth was flat. That doesn't mean that back then the earth was flat. The facts are facts!
If you throw a glass from the table, that will break even if you believe the opposite with all your heart. Our beliefs(the truth of every person) have nothing to do with reality.
To sum up, as you say, fulfill our desires as much as we can now that we are half animals...
After a while nature(earth ascending) will take care of us...
"So you say that as if by magic nature will make us divine beings in the future? You rely on the future for this?"
Not by magic, it is a question of energy, the frequency of the Earths energy is and has been raising for quite some time now, it is called the shumann resonance or something along those lines.
The raise in this energy will make us divine, not magic.
"You say that every person in the earth has his own truth?! Truth is only our father who is in heaven."
Very easy to say, but would you care to explain the dynamics of that.
Is that your own observation? I think you are partly right.
"If you throw a glass from the table, that will break even if you believe the opposite with all your heart."
I am not sure why you have said this to me, the glass' reality is not the subject of our conversation, our believes are our own truth, so how can our own truth affect the reality of the glass? We are not the glass we are throwing.
"Our beliefs(the truth of every person) have nothing to do with reality."
Our beliefs determine our own reality.
"To sum up, as you say, fulfill our desires as much as we can now that we are half animals..."
Why are you summarising yourself what I am saying to try to improve your argument, why don't you QUOTE what I have written?
I did not say we should fulfill our desire as much as we can, I do say do what you want to though, and I did not say that we are half animal, I said that the nature of humanity is half animalistic, half-divine.
"After a while nature(earth ascending) will take care of us..."
No Earth will bring in the new energy, with which we will ascend.
All that we are both doing here is trying to invite each other to see the other's point of view.
It would appear that this is not working.
The main point that I am making is that life is choice, any notion that it is not is an illusion, and you will probably find this out for yourself.
If you are interested in the planetary ascention these links may show you something you might like to see:
www.diagnosis2012.co.uk
www.experiencefestival.com/2012
www.experiencefestival.com/buddhist_prophets
http://www.prophetsmanual.com/content/index.cfm?navID=21&itemID=24
If not I wish you well on your Journey :wink: :D
Sorry if you see this as an argument, thank you for the links :)
No it's not an argument, I enjoy this kind of discussion it helps me learn too! :D
The links are quite insightful aren't they?
What do you think of them? 8)
I don't know about the knowledege in the links yet, i prefer to investigate first.
Thank you although for giving them,
Hehe. Stick it to the "Illuminated." Noone has heard the saying about tapping the pulsating, surging dynamo of Satan? Most are like the Dragon Ball Z crowd, who say they are fully plugged into the God of Forces.
hmm maybe a bit off topic, I hear that the energy of kundilini while rising, will blow out the side of your body if your chakras are not ready, ouch.
think there's any recorded instances of that?
omg! he just exploded!
Since it's relevant can anyone explain why my kundalini yoga session last night-and last weeks session-causes me to need more than 5 pints of water during the day, actually today I've lost track of how many big and little drinks of water I need. I haven't altered my diet or any other exercise routines. I do get the heat up the core of my body when I contract mahbandha. Today I moderated the resulting sex drive severely-deliberately. Not sure if that influenced the water thing though.
Quote from: karnautrahlSince it's relevant can anyone explain why my kundalini yoga session last night-and last weeks session-causes me to need more than 5 pints of water during the day...
Hi, Karnautrahl!
You follow, probably, a practice which heats your right energy channel, especially the liver. That's why you feel like drinking so much water. Hata yoga (asana practice) can have such an effect. Or are you meditating on the 'inner fire' or something similar? I don't know, it shouldn't work like this, Kundalini is beyond elements (beyond fire, too), so she will balance and sooth the thirst (even the spiritual thirst hehehe :) ). If you explaind a bit what the technique is, I could try to give a better answer, or ask a bit around. You can sent me a private message, if you want, I'm curious about this techniques.
I'm also practice Kundalini Yoga (Sahaja Yoga), but never got such symptoms.
Oh, sometimes I feel like eating more, especially when meditating to enhance the spiritual level of the people around, to purify: one burns then energy and need proteins :wink: ; otherwise, during a nice meditation day, a hardly need to eat or drink.
So, about the thirst: either you are clearing the liver and the right energy channel of the people around or the technique you are using is heating the liver.
All the best!
Great thread:
I have had a Kundalini experience, and I can already hear the outcry as why it happened. This spontaneous experience was due to my dabbling with marijuana. It happed probably 3 or 4 times over a couple of months. Here is what mine felt like.
It felt like a electrical energy RACING up my spine. This was no "I think I feel something" sensation, but made me cringe with excitement. (at the time I did not dabble with anything mystical and had no idea what Kundalini was). My girlfriend thought I might be going through some sort of seizure. However, I just layed there laughing repeating over and over "god is massaging my brain!" It felt like the top of my head was surgically cut off and my brain was exposed. Then another electrical surge would go up my spine. Etc.
It happened a couple of other times in my life after smoking pot, which I don't do anymore. (BTW, It was alway Sativa strain that made me do it). However, I don't know if it has anything to do with these experiences, but shortly after I would always wake up in the morning and I would be covered in sweat. Also, I could never cuddle after sex because the moment I embraced my GF my body temp would rise extremely fast and I would start to sweat.
I know that spontaneous marijuana kundalini experiences are "dangerous", but at least now I know what to look for. I find that with the New Agey type people that they interpret the most subtle experience as something mystical.
For instance, they lay on their arm and their arm falls asleep. While moving it around it starts to tingle, and then they say "Man, kundalini is going crazy in my arm". :) (just having a little fun) All I am saying is that is about as subtle has Mark McGuire hitting you in the head with a baseball bat.
Wow! That must have been really frightening for you, I was emphathising with your gf, I bet she wished you didn't smoke so much grass and mess about with deep breathing. So, why on earth were you trying to trip out?
I have checked out some sites about Kundalini because it seemed to have become a taboo interest in my knowledge field. Urghhh! It is a tacky spooky scene the web photos have etched a horrifying memory that i hope I can humour away. In fact there are 'lists' of people who have experienced the phenomenon and can offer 'help' to those who are bearing the side effects. WHAT? Lisssstsssss - YUCK! Can someone tell me the benefits to humanity?
Perhaps there are people who have read good texts on Kundalini practices, and can recommend them as the whole experience seems to smack of personal injury, strain and arrogance. Sorry folks for sweeping generalisations.
QuoteIt felt like a electrical energy RACING up my spine. This was no "I think I feel something" sensation, but made me cringe with excitement.
I've had exactly that experience but the difference was, i was seeking kundalini and was not under the influence of marijuana at the time. I don't understand why people have said this is dangerous. The only danger may be what I did and I cut it short only letting it reach my 3rd chakra. Since that time I have done much more balancing work and am leaving kundalini revival for further down the road.
I put dangerous in quotes because I don't think it can be dangerous, but that seems to be the prevailing wisdom (which I think is garbage).
QuoteWow! That must have been really frightening for you, I was empathizing with your gf, I bet she wished you didn't smoke so much grass and mess about with deep breathing.
Frightening? I thought it was some killer weed! No, it felt awesome. Who said anything about deep breathing?
Han
does anybody have there K fully developed yet?
Don't be shy :wink:
Hello,
I would echo the other readers comments on this subject. The info provided is very useful.
In my case I have been practicing raising energy and developing my energy system extensively for sometime now with mixed success. Although I suspect I have had a full kundalini raising on a couple of occasions, I am still not one hundred percent sure, because my memories of the experience do not correlate so exactly to those described in this email thread.
Sometimes the experiences seem somewhat overwhelming and leave me a little reticent to try and replicate them too often. I would greatly appreciate a little advice on one of them.
My more recent was the following:
I was at work at a local hotel, and quite board with little to do. I started practicing energy training and trying to store energy in my abdomen using an adaptation of other techniques I had formulated, which I had called the 'Big Bang'.
I was not particularly relaxed, perhaps in a very light trance state, but generated a great deal of heat (quite searing) unusually quickly in the abdomen. I decided to see if I could circulate it directly. I succeeded in moving it down, around and up the spine to a point just below the shoulder blades. It was quite uncomfortable though not painful as such, as it did indeed feel like a hot fist moving up my spine. Given that I was not in a peaceful and isolated environment, and one in which I might be called into action at any time, I decided to take the energy back down again and err on the side of caution.
I have been willing to experiment and take risks in order to learn in the past, but this experience was a little different and left me more uncertain about the soundness and safety of the practice.
Assuming that next time I will only practice this under more controlled and meditative circumstances, I was hoping someone might be able to advise me on the safety and advisability of this kind of chi practice. Should I continue trying to complete the full small universe circuit over the head and back down again? If I do manage to raise this energy to the crown or lead it elsewhere, what can I expect in terms of effects and consequences?
Kind regards,
Chris
This tinglefire rushing spine sensation thats a bit squirmy and can be more "squirmy" the more you do it, is kind of routine for me-with a little effort. I did start when I was maybe 7 or so-didn't know kundalini then. Just sparks and fun, tingles and magic in my body...up my legs and in my spine to my head. Great fun. Normal for me now if I feel like playing. What else can I do with it? ;)
there seems to be some confusion as to how the kundalini works.
first of all the chakras and kundalini work together but are not the same thing.
the most important thing to remember here is that raising the kundalini is not dangerous, why? simply because it can "not" be acomplished by wishful thinking or mecahnical technique.
The raising is based on a total change in psychology and this is where the real work begins.
This is the basic outline.
sensual desire creates a psychology "ego" that is 100% subjective.
that means that a person's understanding of what's real has absolutley no significance beyond the worlds of time and space.
Note also that this is a point which confuses people when they astral travel, they don't understand much of what they see or feel, simply because they have not been trained and educated to what it is.
The only way to raise the kundalini is through revolutionary psychology and it involves the non release of the vital fluid.
Please do not try and retain the vital fluid if you have not studied revolutionary psychology first "it can not be done by force" doing so will result in long lasting injury.
The vital fluid is the philosopher's stone.
the vital fluid is the lead that must be turned into gold (consciousness).
man is a rational animal has not awakened cosnciousness.
how do we awaken cosnciousness.
By slowly working and organizing our pshychology "the three brrains"
the sensual motor instinct, emotional and intelectual centers.
the ego is the antichrist.
what this means is that unconditional love is the the way to awakening consciousness.
by eliminating in ourselves the negative emotions "slowly but with determination" of jealousy, pride, envy, greed, lust and especially anger and resentment, we awaken a % of corresponding consciousness.
the mind is bottled up.
we are shadows of our true self "the soul" the true self can not inhabit a "head" which is occupied by the ego "unorganized psychology"
to be born again is a sexual problem.
notwithstanding chakra exercises are good for better energy correspondence between the astral and phsyical bodies.
when people say they are having feelings of raising the kundalini what they are actually experiencing is simply the chakras being activated.
the only way to raise the kundalini is through sex.
and that my friends is at its core a psychological problem.
The following is from Samael Aun Weor
Let us start our lecture that we could denominate 'Intuition' First of all we must begin from the foundation; the Human Being. Where did we come from? Where are we going? What is the reason for our existence? What do we exist for? Why do we exist?
Behold, we have here a lot of questions that we must clarify and resolve. A child is born, and as a fact he receives a physical body in a gratuitous form, this is obvious. This physical body is marvelous. It has about 15,000 x a million neurons that are in the service of the child, and it cost him nothing.
The Sensual Mind
While the child is growing his Sensual Mind is being opened little by little. This sensual mind in itself and by itself gives the child information through external sensorial perceptions and it is precisely with the information granted through such perceptions that the sensual mind always elaborates the contents of it's concepts; because of this, our present mind can never know anything about reality. It's Reasoning processes are subjective, they move within a vicious circle, the circle of external sensorial perceptions, this is obvious.
Now you will comprehend by yourselves, maybe a little more clearly, what subjective reasoning is in itself, but a complete differentiation between subjective reasoning and objective reasoning must be done. It is obvious that the child has to go through all the educational processes; kindergarten, elementary, high school, and university. The subjective reasoning is nourished with all the data that these distinct scholastic institutions grant unto it. But truly no educational institute can give to a child, youth, or teenager existing data about that which is not of time, about that which is reality.
Truly, the speculations of subjective reasoning always arrive at Intellectualism, at the absurd field of utopism or, in the best cases, towards simple opinions of a subjective type, but never to the experience of the truth, never to experience that which is not from time.
On the other hand, objective reasoning, that disgracefully does not receive any instruction because there is no school that teaches it, remains abandoned.
Undoubtedly, objective reasoning processes obviously conduct us towards exact and perfect postulates. The child is always subjectively educated from place to place; for him no form of superior instruction exists.
All data, all scholastic matters, all family matters, etc. that the senses grant to the subjective mind of the teenager are merely empirical and subjective and this is pitiful.
Towards the beginning, the child has still not lost the capacity of astonishment. Obviously the child looks in wonder on any phenomena. A beautiful toy awakens in him this astonishment, and with this toy the child plays. This capacity of wonder disappears as the child grows, as his sensual mind receives data from school and collage. Finally the instant in which the child becomes a youth arrives and the young boy has already completely lost this capacity of astonishment.
Unfortunately the data that one receives in collages, schools and educational centers only serve to nourish the sensual mind, and nothing else. In this way, actually with these educational systems, from schools, academies, and universities the only thing that we can really achieve there is to make for ourselves an artificial Personality. To give an account of this, in reality, truly, the knowledge that is studied in Humanities will never serve to form the Psychological Human Being. In the name of truth we have to say clearly that the topics that are actually studied in educational institutes don't have any real relationship with the distinct parts of our Being. Therefore, these topics serve only to:
First: Falsify the knowledge of the five cylinders of the organic machine.
Second: To take the capacity of astonishment away from us.
Third: To develop the sensual mind.
Fourth: To form a false personality within us.
Therefore, it should be clearly understood that the sensual mind cannot produce any radical transformation in any way within ourselves. It is very convenient to understand that the sensual mind can never take us from the autonomism and mechanicity, in which we find the people of all the world, even if they appear to be people of a very cultured mind.
Its one thing to be an animalistic human being, an Intellectual Animal, certainly it is quite another thing to be a true Psychological Man. Naturally, when I use the Word "Man" I also mean Woman. But this must be clearly understood.
The Psychological Man and Woman
We were born with a marvelous physical body, but really we truly need to make something more. To form a physical body is not difficult, because we inherit it, but to form is a Psychological Man is very difficult. We do not need to work upon ourselves in order to form a physical body, but it's very obvious that we need to work upon ourselves in order to form a Psychological Man.
As a Matter of fact, in order to create a Psychological Man, who is a true Man in the most complete sense of the word, we need to organize the psyche which is disorganized.
The Master Gurdjieff said that the organic machine doesn't have a Psychology. I have to strongly disagree with him on this matter. A psychology really exists within any organic machine that we mistakenly call Man. The fact is, that this machine is very disorganized, and this is different. If it is true that we want to create the true Man, who is the Psychological Man, then it is urgent, unpostponable, and undeferable that we organize this psychology within the intellectual animal.
Let us then see the difference between the intellectual animal, mistakenly called Man, and the true and authentic Psychological Man. If we want to create such a Man within, then we need to work upon ourselves. Nonetheless, there is a struggle within us because the sensual mind is the clear enemy of the superior mind.
The sensual mind is identified with any circumstance, for example, if suddenly we find ourselves at a sumptuous banquet and we identify ourselves a great deal with the food we will convert ourselves into gluttons or if we get identified with the wine, we end up drunk. If we see a person of the opposite sex in front of us who is fascinating and interesting, we will become very identified with that person and end up fornicating or simply, we are changed into adulterers. To create the Psychological Man in these circumstances, in this way, is not possible.
If in some way we have to start the work of creating the Psychological Man, this will come from real, true work on ourselves, without ever getting identified with any circumstance, while observing ourselves from instant to instant, from moment to moment. There are some people who are mistaken about the path.
There are societies, schools, orders, lodges, religions, sects, which pretend to organize the human psyche by means of certain golden maxims. Communities that pretend to achieve something that they call purifications or Sanctity by means of such maxims. It is urgent that we analyze all of this.
It is obvious that any type of ethical or religious maxim can never serve as a pattern for the distinct events of life.
For example, a maxim that is structured with superior logic, like the logic of Ouspensky, will never truly create a new cosmos, neither a new nature. To strictly subordinate ourselves to a maxim with the purpose of organizing our psyche would be absurd. Obviously this is significant of converting ourselves into slaves.
Therefore, it is convenient that we should reflect upon many ethical catalogs and moral codes that are held as Golden Maxims.
Moreover, there is a lot that needs to be analyzed before entering oneself in the work of the organization of the psyche. For example, a demonstrative annunciation, even if very wise and perfect, could still be unquestionably false, or even worse, intentionally false.
Accordingly, in order to anticipate a transformation within ourselves, we have to become a little more individualistic. I am not saying to become selfish, this must be understood. We must learn to think better, in a more independent and perfect way, other than through many sacred sayings, through many Golden Maxims, and as already mentioned, through aphorisms that all the world considers perfect. These Maxims will never serve as patterns of measurement in order to achieve the authentic transformation and in order to achieve the organization of the psyche within ourselves.
The fact of the matter is to organize the interior psyche, and we have to leave all the subjective rationalism in order to get to the root of the matter. To confront our own errors as they are without justifying them does not mean that we must flee from them. Do not intend to excuse them. There is a need to become more serious in the analysis. We must be more judicious, more comprehensive.
If we truly do not search for evasiveness, then we can work on ourselves in order to achieve the organization of the Psychological Man and stop being intellectual animals, as we are at this very moment.
Psychological Self-observation is basic. Truly, to observe ourselves from instant to instant, from second to second is necessary. What is the purpose of self-observation? The discovering of our different types of psychological Defects. But, they must be discovered in the field of action, by directly and judiciously observing them, without evasion, without justification, without any type of escape.
Once a defect has been discovered, then and only then, we can comprehend it, and when we attempt to comprehend it we must, I repeat, be severe with ourselves. Many, when they attempt to comprehend an error they justify it or evade it, or try to hide it from themselves. This is absurd. There are some little Gnostic brothers and sisters who, when discovering this or that defect in themselves they begin with their mind, as we will say, their theoretical mind, to start to make up speculations. This is very grave because as I already said and I repeat again in this moment, speculations of the merely subjective mind forcibly dump themselves into the field of Utopianism, this is obvious.
Therefore if an error is what we want to understand, then mere subjective speculations must be eliminated and in order for them to be eliminated, to have been directly observing the error is necessary. Only like this through the means of correct Observation it is possible to correct the tendency towards speculation.
Once we have integrally comprehended any psychological defect in all of the levels of the mind, then one can have the luxury of breaking and disintegrating it, reducing it to ashes, to cosmic dust. Nevertheless we must not ever forget that the mind by itself cannot radically alter any defect at all.
The mind by itself can label any defect with different names, pass defects from one level to the other, to hide them from itself or to hide them from other defects but never can it disintegrate a defect.
Many times I have taught here that we need a power superior to the mind, a power that can truly reduce to ashes any defect of a psychological type.
Fortunately this power exists in the depth of our psyche. I'm clearly referring to Stella Maris, the Virgin of the Sea, a variation of our own Being. She is a derivative of our Being. If we concentrate ourselves on this variant force that exists within our psyche, that force that some civilizations denominated as Isis, others Tonantzin, others Diana etc., then we will be assisted and the defect in question can be reduced to cosmic dust.
Any psychological Aggregate, vivid personification of this or that error, once it has been disintegrated something is liberated, this is what is called Essence. It is clear that within any of those bottles which are known as psychic aggregates, some Essence or animated Consciousness exists, bottled up. So when breaking this or that error the percentage of Essence which has been placed or embottled there is liberated.
Each time a percentage of Buddhic Essence is liberated the percentage of Consciousness increases as a fact. Likewise while we are breaking these psychic aggregates the percentage of awakened Consciousness will multiply, and when the totality of the psychic aggregates is reduced to ashes likewise the Consciousness will awaken in its totality.
If we just break fifty percent of the inhuman undesirable elements then obviously we will possess fifty percent of objective awakened Consciousness, But if we attain the destruction of a hundred percent of our undesirable elements we will attain as a fact and for our own right, one hundred percent Objective Consciousness. Thus, based on incessant multiplications our Consciousness will shine each time more and more, this is obvious.
To attain absolute awakening is what we want, and this is possible if we march on the correct path. If we do the contrary then to attain this will be impossible. This is clear.
In any case in the same way that we are diminishing the undesirable psychic elements that we carry in our interior, distinct siddhis or luminous faculties will bloom within our Psyche and when the Buddhist Annihilation has been achieved, truly then we will achieve the most absolute illumination. This word "Buddhist Annihilation" bothers very much other determined organizations of a pseudo-Esoteric, pseudo-Occult type. For us instead of this word sickening us, it really pleases us because to attain one hundred percent Consciousness is what we long for.
There are many that would like to achieve illumination, there are many that feel themselves bitter, who suffer within darkness, who suffer through the bitter circumstances of life.
Illumination is something that we long for, but illumination has to have a reason to be; the reason for illumination to be is the Dharmadatu. This word of Sanskrit origin sounds very strange to the ears of the people present here. Dharmadatu comes from the root word "Dharma."
The Three Factors
Someone can disintegrate the undesirable psychic elements that we carry in our interior, but nevertheless this one can not achieve the radical illumination because something enters into the game here and this is called the Third Factor for the Revolution of the Consciousness: the sacrifice for humanity.
If we do not sacrifice ourselves for humanity, to attain absolute illumination will not be possible, because I repeat, the reason for illumination is the Dharmadatu.
It is obvious that if we disintegrate the Ego we will receive our payment. It is true, really true, that if we create the Superior Existential Bodies of the Being we will be paid. We cannot deny that if we sacrifice ourselves for our fellow men we will be paid. All of this is undoubtable.
Therefore in order to achieve absolute illumination we need to work with the three factors for the revolution of the Consciousness:
TO BE BORN; meaning the creation of the existential superior vehicles of the Being;
TO DIE; meaning the disintegration of the ego in its whole totality;
and the SACRIFICE FOR HUMANITY.
Behold the three factors for the revolution of the Consciousness.
Anyway as I was telling you we need to know how to work upon ourselves. We need to organize the Psychological Man within each one of us. First of all before we achieve The Absolute illumination the Psychological Man must be born in us and he is born in us when the psyche is organized. There is a need to organize the psyche within ourselves here and now.
Energy & The Creation of the Higher Bodies
If we work correctly we will organize the psyche. For example, if we do not waste the energies of the emotional center, if we do not waste the energies of the mind, or the energies of the motor/instinctive/sexual brain, then it is obvious that we will create or we will build, give form to the second psychological body with the savings of such energies in ourselves: this is the body of emotions, denominated Eidolon.
Undoubtedly, if we liberate ourselves from the sensual mind then in reality we will achieve the savings of the intellectual energies. With such energies we can nourish the third psychological body or individual mind. When I pronounced myself against the sensual mind, I want the brothers and sisters to clearly understand that I am not putting aside my recognition of the usefulness of the sensual mind and that we need to live in perfect Equilibrium whilst knowing how to drive the superior mind and knowing how to drive the sensual mind.
Because if one does not know how to drive the sensual mind then one forgets that there is a need to pay the rent, one forgets that their exists a need to eat in order to exist, one forgets their is a need to get dressed and not wander on the streets completely negligent, not accomplishing his duties in life. Therefore the sensual mind is necessary, but there is a need to know how to intelligently drive it with equilibrium, meaning: the superior mind and the sensual mind must be equilibrated in life.
Some people only preoccupy themselves with the sensual mind. For example, certain hermits that live in the caverns of the Himalayas forget that they have a sensual mind. To simply disregard this mind just like that is absurd. There is a need for the sensual mind to function in a equilibrated form in order for one to accomplish his duties of life.
Identification
The struggle between the superior mind and the sensual mind is frightful. Let us remember the Christ when he was fasting in the wilderness. A Demon was presented in front of him and told him "All of the kingdoms of the world will be granted unto thee, if thou kneel and worship before me." In other words it is the sensual mind tempting him, and the superior mind answers him saying, "Satan, Satan, it is written you must obey and worship the Lord your God."
Jesus never let the sensual mind dominate him, but the meaning of this is not that the sensual mind is useless, It happens that there is a need to have it under control. It must march in perfect equilibrium with the superior mind.
When striving for the organization of the Psychological Man obviously a frightful struggle will happen between the two minds, between the superior, which is the psychological one and the sensual one. The sensual mind does not want to be involved in anything related with the superior mind. The sensual mind enjoys when it is identified with a scene of lust or when it is identified with a painful event of the street or when it is identified with a glass of wine, etc. and the psychological mind is violently against it. I am going to illustrate this with an example
I was traveling in a car, someone was driving that car. We were driving on the left lane of the street and on the right lane a lady was driving another vehicle, suddenly the car that was being driven by such lady changed direction intent on going to a supermarket which was on the left side of the street. It is obvious that driving in the right lane she should've turned in a more correct way in order to go to the supermarket. If the supermarket was on the right side, then she would have turned right with no problem, Absolutely not caring a bit about this situation, this lady then turned left, this of course ended up with her crashing into the car that we were riding in.
The damages for her car were not so grave, they were minimal. But here comes the interesting part of the story, the car in which my insignificant person was riding, was being driven by someone who recognized that this was not his fault, and truly it was not his fault, he was not guilty of crashing into this other vehicle that suddenly appeared in front of him. By turning violently at the moment while he was driving on the street. Naturally he presented his allegation to the lady in question. But this lady was insisting that she was right. Of course this was manifestly absurd; any traffic officer would have disqualified her claims immediately.
Nevertheless she insisted on calling the insurance company in order to arrange the problem. After a couple of hours the insurance company did not arrive and this lady insisted that she should receive payment of 300 pesos (pesos are the currency of Mexico), that was more or less the cost of the damages, for the repair of her vehicle that she herself destroyed.
The occupants of the car that I was in and the driver was definitely angry in a very big way and even if any of them could have paid her they were not in any position to do it. Such was the anger that they were having. I decided, on my part, not to identify with this circumstance because our psychological discipline, our psychological Judo teaches us that in such cases one must not identify. It is obvious that I remained serene in accordance with our psychological Judo.
However time was passing by, two hours and possibly many more. We waited because the insurance agent was not showing up. At that end this lady very respectably approached me because she saw that I was the only one that was serene, the rest of the occupants were all very vociferous. She said " Sir, if you would give me at least 300 pesos then we could be finished with this discussion since I am wasting my time and actually all of us are wasting our time."
"But if you observe the positions of the two cars, you will see that you were coming from the right lane and if you wanted to turn left you should have been in the left lane, however you intended to enter the supermarket from the right lane when the left was already occupied, it is not possible to try to enter in this way. Any traffic officer would disqualify you."
"But sir, what are we doing by wasting our time since the insurance agent is not coming."
"O.K., take your 300 Pesos and leave in holy Peace, there is no problem anymore. Go on your way."
It is obvious that there was a general protest from the others, they were very indignant not only against this lady but also against me. Such was the state in which they were, and they could not do anything but protest.
They were absolutely identified with the event and of course they judged me as a Fool, etc., etc, etc. and other sorts of names. Of course one of the occupants directly approached the ladies with the purpose of insulting them because there were many, the one that was driving and her acquaintances. I approached and said to this lady "Go ahead, leave in holy peace and do not pay attention to their insults."
Well, this woman left very happy and from afar gave me a last salutation, and then the car was lost on the streets of the city. We could have kept waiting for three, four, six hours, even the whole afternoon, and quite possibly until that night we could have waited until the insurance agent finally arrived in order to get to some Foolish arrangement.
Really there was not a grave problem. The damages of her car were minimal, although the occupants of the other car had money they were in no way prepared to pay her. They were so identified with the scene that obviously they didn't have any Desire, as is said, to twist their arm. I certainly saved them from a great deal of problems and obnoxious details. Possibly I even saved them from going to court, I averted for them fifty thousand foolish deeds, bitter deeds, and arguments. But they were so identified with this event that they didn't realize the good that I did for them. This is how people are.
Therefore my dear friends in reality, truly you must understand that to identify oneself with circumstances always brings problems, It is absurd to identify oneself with circumstances, completely absurd because the energies are wasted. With which energies will we organize the Astral Body if we allow ourselves to be driven by explosions of anger, explosions of frightful rage, and those irritations that do not have a reason for being? And all of this because we identify with circumstances.
With which forces can one give oneself the luxury of creating an individual mind if truly one squanders the intellectual energies wasting them on foolishness, like the similar act that I have been talking about? The creation of the second body invites us to save the emotional energies and the creation of a third body which can be called the intellectual body or individual mind, makes us comprehend the necessity to save our mental energy.
Now then, if we truly do not learn to leave aside the mechanical antipathies, if we are always full of evil will towards our fellow man, with which energies will we create the fourth psychological body, the Body of Conscious Will (Causal Body)? It is because there is a need to create all of these superior vehicles if we truly want to create the Psychological Man within ourselves, or to give form to it or to build it within ourselves.
We know well that someone who possesses the physical body, a second body of an emotional/psychological type, a third body of an individual mental type and finally a fourth body of a conscious volitive type, can give himself the luxury of receiving the animated principles in order to convert oneself into a Man, this is undoubtable. But truly if one squanders his motor/vital/emotional/mental and volitive energies by identifying himself with all the circumstances of life then it's obvious that he will never organize the psychological bodies. They are so indispensable in order for the Man to appear within each one of them.
Therefore when I am speaking of the organization of the psyche, it must be understood that we must know how to handle and utilize these energies. We should not to identify ourselves, nor forget ourselves in order not to waste our energies foolishly. When one forgets the self then one identifies oneself and when one is identified then cannot give form to the psyche, one cannot make the psyche become intelligently structured within itself because one squanders the energies foolishly. To understand this is urgent, my dear brothers and sisters.
Therefore a true Man (or Woman) is one that has saved his energies and that has built the Superior Existential Bodies of the Being by means of the same energies. A true Man is one that has received his animated and spiritual principles, a perfect Man is one that has disintegrated all of the psychic inhuman elements.
A real Man is the one who has formed the interior Man inside himself instead of those undesirable elements (ego). Therefore, what counts is the interior Man. This interior Man receives his payment, the Great Law pays him, because this interior Man is awakened and because he has disintegrated the ego. This is the real, true Man who sacrifices himself for his fellowmen. Obviously, this is how he attains illumination.
So to create the Man is a beginning; it is what is fundamental and it is achieved by organizing the psyche. But many preoccupy themselves exclusively with the development of Powers or inferior siddhis instead of dedicating themselves towards organizing their own Intimate psyche and this is really absurd. Where are we going to start? With the organization of the psyche? Or the development of inferior powers? What is it that we want? We have to be judicious in the analysis, judicious in our longings. If it is powers that we looking for we are just wasting our time miserably. I believe that what is fundamental is the organization of our inferior psyche, this is basic.
If you understand this in yourselves and work on yourselves then you will be able to give form to the psyche, then the real Man, the true Man will be born within you.
Intuition
You must understand this. Instead of searching for inferior siddhis or inferior powers as we said it is better to give form to the psyche. A transcendental power exists that is born within any human being that truly has worked upon himself. I want in an emphatic form to refer to Intuition, and I mention this so that you will stop coveting powers. But what is this faculty? It has been said to us that this faculty is related to the pineal gland, I do not deny this. But what is important is to explain what it's functions are.
How are we going to define Intuition? It is a direct perception of the truth without the depressing process of options.
Well this is a good definition, but I've found it very incipient. This definition is used by all of the little pseudo-esoteric and pseudo-occult schools which are around. Analysis invites us to go much deeper in this matter.
What is Intuition? It is the faculty of interpretation. Possibly Hegal with his dialectic tried to define it based on the Chinese philosophy of the yellow race.
A Chinese Empress did not understand this matter of Intuition very well. A wise man explained unto her that it was the faculty of Interpretation. This definition is correct, yet she didn't understand.
Then the wise man brought her a lit candle and placed it in the center of the hall, and around it he placed ten mirrors as well. It is clear that the flame of that candle was reflected in one mirror, this flame was in turn projecting a flame onto another mirror, and this other mirror was projecting it onto another, and this one to another. Thus they noticed that these ten mirrors were mutually projecting the light one to another.
A marvelous play of lights was formed, a play with interpretation. Then the Empress understood. Behold the faculty of Intuition.
If somebody has achieved the Buddhist Annihilation, if somebody has achieved the construction of the superior existential bodies of the Being, if He is really a true Man in the most transcendental sense of the word then the faculty of Interpretation will be a fact within him.
Let us take into account that one is contained within the cosmos. I said that one is part of the whole. Much exists within the microcosmic man, nevertheless the totality of oneself is nothing but one part of the whole.
We already know for example, that within the Ayocosmos, meaning the Infinite, the Macrocosmos is contained. Within the Macrocosmos, the Milky Way, the Deuterocosmos, the solar system is contained.
Within the Deuterocosmos the cosmic Sun is contained, and within this cosmic sun the Cosmos Earth, the Mesocosmos, is contained. Likewise within the Mesocosmos the Microcosmos man is contained, and within the Microcosmos man the life of the infinitely small, the Tritocosmos, is contained.
Within one cosmos there is another cosmos and within this cosmos there is another one, and in totality we have seven cosmos and these are contained one within another. Therefore within ourselves there is an inferior cosmos, it is clear that it is the Tritocosmos; and a superior cosmos, and it is now clear that it is the Mesocosmos. We are between a superior cosmos and an inferior cosmos. We are also very related with our parents since they originated us; likewise from ourselves, our children and grandchildren come. All of us are interpreting each other mutually.
Undoubtedly my dear friends, existence in any way, that is to say, it's birth, it's development, it's death remains reflecting itself as well within the true Man that has attained the Buddhist Annihilation. Therefore this Man can say, "I know the history of this planet." The whole Mahamanvantara can reflect itself in the fingernail of an authentic Man and it would be reflected with such exactitude that this Buddha would not ignore anything.
Everything that could happen within an entire nation could reflect itself in the psyche of a Man or Woman that has passed through the Buddhist Annihilation, it would reflect itself with such exactitude, with such precision, with such detail that this one would not ignore not even the most insignificant event.
Therefore deduce for yourselves and infer into what I have said about what Intuition is.
The faculty of Interpretation. If we achieve the reflection of the history of this Galaxy within ourselves.
Can we ignore something related with this? Of course not. The galaxy with all of its processes can be reflected within our psyche so naturally, my dear brothers and sisters, just as the candle in the example that I gave you related with the ten mirrors that served to illustrate the story of the Empress.
If all circumstances can be reflected upon within the psyche of a Buddha of Contemplation, because this one no longer has any inhuman psychic aggregates to disintegrate, then this one achieves, as a fact, through the means of Intuition, what we would define as Consciousness.
To attain Illumination is possible, but do not forget my dear friends that Illumination has its laws. The reason for Illumination is the Dharmadatu, in other words Dharma.
Hi FOlks. I am curious about the releasing of Kundalini. I am able to feel upper chakras strongly, like heart, throat, 3rd eye and crown. But, I only slightly feel root chakra and one at stomach. I actually just recently started to feel them, and I simultaneously started to see auras, and to feel objects, like trees, etc. I assumed, without reading anything, that I had perhaps released this Kundalini or whatever, but it appears that I have just widely opened certain chakras. Anyway, one of you mentioned that you released Kundalini. I am curious about breadth of your experiences, etc. For me, I am very experienced with OBEs (from waking state) and remote viewing too. I am 45 years old. I have a feeling that I may be able to do this, if, by chance, I set out on the right path. Anyway, I also tend to be very health focused, and I have been thinking of fasting for a few days anyway. But, I have never really done any energy work --well, that I know of. I might be doing it without knowing what other folks are referring to. For example, I will relatively often go for a very slow jog and focus on breathing and taking in not just oxygen, but "other stuff." Maybe, that is similar. Anyway, I am trying to a) find other folks that have similar depth of feeling of objects (for me, I can essentially walk around and it is as if I have another sense now, and I can feel trees, etc., from far away too) and b) discern how to grow with this more (in a balanced fashion -- i.e., I discovered that with new experiences come complexities that need to be balanced to maintain oneself) such as, e.g., to release Kundalini, etc.
Anyway, I have exchanged emails with Mr. Bruce in the past. I found him to be rather experienced. So, I am thinking of just buying some of hiis books and reading. I am not one that likes to read so much, but I think it is only fair to him since he offers so muhc of his time. And, he seems to have good knowledge. Anyway, if you have any quick thoughts on releasing kundulini, please let me know. As an FYI, I dont really know how others focus on the chakras. I just basically sit in a chair, or whatever, and focus on them and relax. I realize that there are all sorts of "techniques" but, i think they likely are seeking to achiebasic things that can be done without the techniques. For me, I like to isolate what the focus is... for example, I have read various pointers on having OBEs. But, I have found simple ways to just slip into them without following routines. Anyway, so if it can be boiled down in some way, I am curious.
Regards,
Spark
Quote from: spark on July 03, 2009, 15:00:20
Hi FOlks. I am curious about the releasing of Kundalini. I am able to feel upper chakras strongly, like heart, throat, 3rd eye and crown. But, I only slightly feel root chakra and one at stomach. I actually just recently started to feel them, and I simultaneously started to see auras, and to feel objects, like trees, etc. I assumed, without reading anything, that I had perhaps released this Kundalini or whatever, but it appears that I have just widely opened certain chakras. Anyway, one of you mentioned that you released Kundalini. I am curious about breadth of your experiences, etc. For me, I am very experienced with OBEs (from waking state) and remote viewing too. I am 45 years old. I have a feeling that I may be able to do this, if, by chance, I set out on the right path. Anyway, I also tend to be very health focused, and I have been thinking of fasting for a few days anyway. But, I have never really done any energy work --well, that I know of. I might be doing it without knowing what other folks are referring to. For example, I will relatively often go for a very slow jog and focus on breathing and taking in not just oxygen, but "other stuff." Maybe, that is similar. Anyway, I am trying to a) find other folks that have similar depth of feeling of objects (for me, I can essentially walk around and it is as if I have another sense now, and I can feel trees, etc., from far away too) and b) discern how to grow with this more (in a balanced fashion -- i.e., I discovered that with new experiences come complexities that need to be balanced to maintain oneself) such as, e.g., to release Kundalini, etc.
Anyway, I have exchanged emails with Mr. Bruce in the past. I found him to be rather experienced. So, I am thinking of just buying some of hiis books and reading. I am not one that likes to read so much, but I think it is only fair to him since he offers so muhc of his time. And, he seems to have good knowledge. Anyway, if you have any quick thoughts on releasing kundulini, please let me know. As an FYI, I dont really know how others focus on the chakras. I just basically sit in a chair, or whatever, and focus on them and relax. I realize that there are all sorts of "techniques" but, i think they likely are seeking to achiebasic things that can be done without the techniques. For me, I like to isolate what the focus is... for example, I have read various pointers on having OBEs. But, I have found simple ways to just slip into them without following routines. Anyway, so if it can be boiled down in some way, I am curious.
Regards,
Spark
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10/10 for the first post of this thread.
I've read all the replies to this and at least took a look at all the links posted (took me a while) and it's amazing how many different beliefs there are concerning the many aspects to the subject of kundalini. Some posts seem a little bit closed minded and a little bit "you are wrong i am right" but still all of it an interesting read.
One of my favourite parts of this thread was the debate between SirLeon and GuardianMasterAngel.
I have done a lot of work into astral projection and have 100% conciously projected from an awake state a couple of times. I have had one kundalini rising experience of which i have limited memory. It involved unbelievable pain, heat and huge releases of energy from my other chakras. It was like I was in total overdrive and I was about to self destruct haha. I was also sick. The sensations rose upwards in surges until it reached and passed my head where the pain stopped. When it was over though I had a brief period of my higher self. I had countless realisations all hitting me at once and a whole new level of indescribable understanding and it was all so perfectly wonderful it was as if what i know as peace and love was a force engulfing and racing through me. Sounds cheesy but thats the easiest way to describe it. Afterwards and to this day I have no idea what those realisations were, and the feelings feel so distant and the memory so faint, it's as if it didn't really happen and it was all my imagination...but i know it wasn't. I clearly "was not properly prepared" and since that experience I pretty much stopped my training, I dunno why. After reading this thread I intend to continue =)
I should mention that during that point in time I was having frequent sex. I do not believe that sex is either a waste of energy or the cause of the kundalini rising. I was also not fasting or anything like that, which is probably why i was sick, but thats something i don't mind dealing with so i do not believe that i have to starve myself either. The energies used in sex and digestion are nothing severely missed. Nothing that a quick meditation or sleep session won't make up for :) Fighting the natural desires for sex and eating will only bring imbalance and lack of focus :) we should not fight our human nature, but work alongside it :).
In my case I am going to dismiss all guidelines, precautions, warnings and "dangers". When this experience occured I had not read up on kundalini rising, all i had read was that kundalini exists. From there I had recieved all the information required for rising from my guide/higher self/whoever during meditation. The one thing I will agree with is learning to fully and properly astral project first, as this gains a LOT of control and awareness that I believe is essential to ascension. Also, AP training brings with it the balance and discipline required for kundalini rising. By doing things my way I got results, I'm personally not going to waste time just to make the process a little easier to bare, as I believe that my time is limited, I don't have a lifetime to spend.
People talk as if the potential death is a danger, I see it as a required factor in order to reach ascension and full enlightenment. i believe the only way to fully ascend and become a "living master" is to die, ascend, then return to the physical body repairing and reactivating it. I will return and I will suceed :) I won't let me fail.
I hope you all get what your aiming for, and the only advice i can give, is to do it your way! Use anything you can find, whether from meditation or from articles, books and recorded experiences in order to find your way :)
Hi I read in an information source about Yogi Bhajan (who introduced Kundalini Yoga to the West)
that 'The Energy of the kundalini is released from the Naval center'
i also read on here that it starts at the Root Chakra... could anyone clarify this for me? as to which chakra the Kundalini starts from?
Thanks!