to smokers out there

[Nay]

Hmmmmmm. are you talking about Ciggs?  Or funny Ciggs?
I am still trying to stop smoking regular ciggs...oh, man it is hard!!  but I have done it before and will do it again.[]
I don't like the fact when I lay down to start relaxing it takes me a couple of minutes to get all the darn coughing over!! arrrgghh.
I have my own opinion about the funny ciggs, but will wait to see if that is what you were speaking of..hehe

Nay. []

[beavis]

Theres only 1 kind of smoking I recommend, and its not cigarettes [}:)]

[Adrian]

Greetings,

Aside from the obvious health implications of smoking, not only to the smoker but to those around the smoker, any mind altering substance is unambiguously negative for any Spiritual pursuit including Astral projection. These substances include alcohol, caffeine and of course any mind altering drug, narcotic etc..

God did not create cigarettes, man did to his detriment. I don't know why psychics smoke, but many so called psychics are not psychic at all, and it is probably worth keeping that in mind. Either way, taking up smoking would be a very bad move in my humble opiniom.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Tayesin]

Ciggies? Now that is some addiction to move away from, as hard as it is. I've been smoking for 30 years and am only now working on giving them up.  Can you hear me coughing? LOL.

'There is no good reason for taking up smoking! And yes, many spiritually orientated people do smoke, but that is more about addictions and choices than them getting something beneficial from it.

Mind altering drugs on the other hand may well be a slightly different matter.  Many ancient cultures used these drugs to usher in 'out of body' and vision experiences. I find it interesting that our physical brain has receptors for these substances hard wired into it. But, it is not a good idea to take any of these types of drugs without being under the patronage and guidance of a teacher. And since there are so few teachers left from the old cultures, I would advise against the use.

The only good thing about ciggies is that at least we are choosing what types of cancer we want to die from. LOL. It's a joke!

Love always.

[RandomName]

I back Tayesin on this, its more about choice and addictions than anything but the mind altering drugs used by psychics would be the thing to notice. WE had indians attack us in the past in America when they claimed to have seen "premonitions of the future". Wether this was true or not, nobody knows, but Tecumseh, the leader of an indian revolt, had an older brother who people referred to as "the prophet" and claimed to have seen a grim future for the indians. Thus the indians revolted and we got our asses gnawed at for a while. Now this whole explanation is vauge, but I think we all know how "The Prophet" prophecized these things.

HE WAS SMOKING A "PEACE PIPE" about 5 minutes before he "went into a trance and saw the future"

Now the truth is, I see no reason to screw up ones own mind for temporary gain and permanent damage, nor do I reccomend ciggarette use.

Its your life, choose your poison and go with it I guess. Laziness is mine, but I never met a person that died from not wanting to mow the grass []

[Nayru]

You don't want to get addicted, that's all? HA, that's what I said too when I started smoking. And I must say that I badly regret the day I first touched a sigarette.

[Shadow555]

I have somthing to say about smoking,and that thing is "funny cigerettes" lol

Now im not a pot head and can surely live without marijuana. I dont usually smoke it. But when i do do it (2 times a month) it is for good reason.

You ever smoke pot and worked with energy?? I was atleast 20x more concentrated on useing my energy then i normally am or with meditation.I made a mana/ki ball and it was as big as a basketball and it was compacted as much as i could make it. I shot it down my road and i could see it go down the road a eventually dissolve about 100yrds or more away.

Also with fighting it can increase your state of mind.I realized after watching Bruce Lee's Enter the Dragon high, I knew exactly what he was thinkning and i just recreated that in my mind and i was unstoppable lol. I was doing kicks i could only think about performing not high. You see when your high you only think about what your thinking about and thats 1 thing you dont think about a lot of things at once. But i dont really like to smoke it becuase then i run 4 miles everyday for 4 days after i have becuase it could damage your lungs and i found it harder to breather after only smokeing 2 "Funny cigerettes" in one day. so i like to stay away form it unless i REALLY want to train hard. let me know what your guys think.

[KP]

lately, i've been going through a process where my old energy blockages are being removed

a big flow of energy pushing upwards, pushing the blockages up and out of the top of my head

i've watched when I smoke and the flow of energy kinda goes a bit crazy.. when i drink, the energy flow really slows down and causes a lot of pain later

i try to stay away, but its really not easy explaining to friends why i'm not drinking/smoking as usual

this weekend was my birthday
i had drunk a lot and smoked a lot on the saturday night... when i woke up on sunday I had a really nasty OBE with some awful painful feelings, very hot, very powerful.. thought i was giong to die.  the last two days i've been feeling really excrement.. full of blocked energy, not just a hangover.. those are not much...

so my advice is to do what ya want...
a few months ago it didnt matter to me wheter i drank or smoked, but it's really affecting me now.  really doesnt help with energy flow.

[cainam_nazier]

Okay here it goes.....I can hear the responces already.

Okay, I am a smoker trying to quit.  I am currently at about 6 days.

But I digress.  There is a reason that I started in the first place.  It was not because my friends smoked, or my parents, or any of the other reasons people think of.

I decided to start smoking becuase I felt there needed to be a contradiction to my character.  I do not believe that a person can walk fully on one side of the line or the other.  So I picked up smoking as my one bad habbit.  At that point in time I needed something that was considered bad.

Now, the reasons I feel a great many spiritual and or psychic people smoke.  

1.  The same reason I do.  Ballance in all things.  A person must know and experience the bad in order to understand the good.

2.  The act of smoking itself can function as a focal point for ones ablity to relax.  A high stress, or emotionally impacting event can be lessened by a good smoke.  The act of smoking can quickly and easily focus all you attention into the action itself, clearing your mind of everthing else, and allowing you to relax.

3.  People who are psychic function at different frequencies than most people.  Thier brains are attuned to and are constantly working with and on the processes of the persons gift.  For many this can and is a bit much to handle all the time.  Smoking, drinking, you name it, effects the processes of the brain.  This changes the speed,  accuracy, and interupts the processes, thus altering the frequency the brain is operating at.  I personally believe that this helps an individual deal with certain abilities being constantly on.

[LOL]

no, no i mean ciggies not recreational drugs

Cainam, I suspected that was what they were used for. But you got to be brave though to adopt the philosophy (you got to know the bad to know the good). Especially when its concerning sexuality. LOL! a joke. So I would like to know whether you have any regrets in taking up smoking?

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I mean our messiah from the Astral world, Robert Bruce, smokes pipe! I wonder if he's quit or planning to? Because from the replies i get the general feel that smoking is not so good, yes

[Adrian]

Greetings,

I don't want to sound too moralistic, but I don't see how anyone can make a case that any type of smoking is good. Aside from the addictive aspects and the lung damage due to tar, there are 87 different toxins in tobacco, all of which are very dangerous. Worse, smoking affects the people around the smoker, much more so than people believe. Knowingly harming others will have karmic consequences.

In Britain, the entire side of cigarette packets now contains the words in very big letters Smoking Kills. The cost to the public health services each year in treating smoking related diseases runs to billions.

A vital aspect of Spiritual advancement is total mastery over every aspect of the Soul and Spirit. Those who smoke or are prone to other such weaknesses would do well to consider that.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[goingslow]

Whether you smoke, drink etc has absolutely nothing to do with spiritual enlightenment.

Then again look at the mormons.. I've always thought they were kinda advanced.  They dont smoke, drink, take caffeine.. and they also judge people who do.

Maybe they're onto something.

[Nick]

There are numerous circumstances, if you think about it, where smoking and drinking could harm or injure other people.

It follows that hurting others would have an adverse effect on personal spiritual growth.

So to say  

quote:Whether you smoke, drink etc has absolutely nothing to do with spiritual enlightenment

imo, doesn't cover the whole picture.

[wisp]

Cigarettes and tobacco products are reaching high status. Look at the power it's given.
If it didn't exist no one would die because it is becoming the cause of all diseases, or so the way the politically correct wants you to think.
The carriors of this tobacco/smoke which is the cause of all diseases are fast becoming a bigger and bigger problem, or again, the way certain factions of the population would like you to think
So, if  this is a social problem it may have to be remedied so life can continue as it never has before?

As a smoker I feel treated like a prisoner in a Nazi concentration camp. The behavioral modifications being experimented on me would be questionable if done on an animal.

The way I see it, the smoking issue is one big social experiment and many are falling for it.  It's dividing the masses and it's based on a lot of blame and scare tactics. I am responsible for creating my reality. Are others able to do the same? I can't control what or how others think, but taking personal responsibility would be a better step forward than making a tobacco plant a god or the devil.

[goingslow]

I think its a given if you're hurting other people its not beneficial.  However, most people who drink or smoke actually do so in moderation.  Unless people get their information from the news on this or that drunk driver that killed someone.

My point was the suggestion that in order to progress you cant have caffeine, alcohol etc.  I see so many groups that think their ticket is to keep their body "pure" and that has nothing to do with progression in the way they hope.

I have read adrian type time and time again that in order to progress one must stay clear of alcohol, caffeine, meat, etc.. etc.  My comment was directed at that.  I have recently been reading Carlos Casteneda's books and IM curious what people who adopt that train of thought.. IE drugs.. meat.. caffeine etc means a person isnt enlightened thinks of his books.

Another thing I found weird was the assumption or the implication of a psychic smokes he/she must not be very advanced because a real advanced person wouldnt do that.  I see this as a "key to enlightenment" formula.  And in reality it doesn't work that way.  However from all our new age books im sure we can all pick out the enlightened people on this board from those who have plenty of lives left to go.

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[goingslow]

BTW the smoking in moderation thing I didnt mean cigarettes.  But a plant that actually grows in nature.

[TorosDead]

I personally don't feel there are any benefits to smoking whatsoever.  Likely some (not all) psychics smoke because.. well.. they're human, and some people just smoke.  If you are having trouble inducing an OBE I don't think smoking will push you over the hump!

[cainam_nazier]

Another one of my personal view towards my habit is that it is an excersize of control.  It is also an excersize of will at times.  I smoke because I want to not because I need to.  There are times when I physically require a smoke but I will go with out.  I supress the urges of the physical body.

As far as who I am hurting when I smoke.  Largly it is just me.  When I am out side I sit alone, or with other smokers.  Thus limiting the encounters with non-smokers.  If you don't smoke and I am at your house I go with for longer periods, or go outside when need be.  I don't smoke in MY car if I am with a non-smoker.  I try my best to never smoke around kids, even if thier parents smoke in front of them.


I also look at it this way.  I smoke, you should be able to tell when I am smoking.  If you don't like it, don't come near me.

[jodinastar]

i wholey agree with the above, i may not know a lot about psychics or obe but i have smoked from the age of 12, because i want to. that is the only reason. it makes ME feel good, as for it helping you to relax, well I feel more relaxed afterwards but thats because im addicted and have just given my body what it craves. my advice? dont start, its pointless and costs a fortune, if on the otherhand you feel incomplete and this will complete you then do it. its your choice but i think its totally irrelevent to the astral world.

[Grigori]

I'm not sure what it is in the brain that makes a psychic psychic but if it has anything to do with stimulating certain areas of the brain and retarding others then smoking "could" have some  psychic benefit. Here's an abstract (one of many) that demonstrates the effect of nicotine on brain activity http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?rendertype=abstract&artid=31902

... I'm not advocating smoking for any reason just that disgusting habit aside ... yes smoking "may" have some beneficial psychic effects.

Oh, and if the effect is attributed to nicotine ... you could always use a patch or gum or something non-lethal and disgusting.

[waterflow]

when talking about "funny cigs" ([xx(]) one could say that they were natural not man made as they come from a plant, so myabe an increase in psycic activity is the purpose of that plant or substance. With regular cigs, it's probably down to the fact that smoking a cigarette gives one something to focus on. I smoke myself, i would say that the negative physical effects far outwhey the potentially positive mental effects. Any substance that results in the body using energy to fight it is surely bad for energy development and so bad for spiritual develoment also.

[cainam_nazier]

In my own opinion people who are more psychicly inclined smoke tobacco not for the possible benefits but rather spacifically for the adverse mental side effects.  I look at it as a tool to help dull the sences with sending you into lala land.

[panabelle]

First of all, just let me say that if I sound harsh here, I don't really mean it that way. It's just that I've heard so many stories of people killed by smoking (and known a few too) and I've never even heard a success story where someone really benefitted from it.

cainam_nazier: You say that you are only hurting yourself. It seems to be the general attitude of all the smokers here that if they want to pour poison into their body, it's there choice so long as they don't bother other peole with it. I would agree except for one thing. I take it you have at least a few living family members who care about your well being? At least a few close friends? If you die of lung cancer, you can't say that isn't hurting them. I should know; that's what happened to my grandfather. One of the best guys you'll ever know, and a decade of smoking gave me probably a decade less of happy memories with him.

I guess I'm on your side, Adrian. [] Sorry if this came on a bit strong, but I really loved my gramps.

[wisp]

When enough people believe something, this created thought can manifest. The fear and dangers of smoking has been promoted for so long by so many that it is easy for this created collective thought to be accepted.

The cure for cancer will be found when the true cause of it is found. Until then precious time passes as people continue perpetuating the off shoot theory of smoking and it's evils and ills. Stop growing a branch to nowhere. Start trimming the branches and get to the root cause of cancer.

[hypnotist]

Hello everyone, Im the (Hypnotist) and to give everyon some advice about smoking.

I've been doing hypnosis for 10 years and Im Certified, and smoking does not relax a person its how they in-hale the smoke that does it.

My wife smokes and I observed her while she smokes and as she in hales she hold her breath for about 4 to 5 seconds then she exhales ithe smoke slowly.

So its the breathing that relaxes the person.  Thats the technique that all Hypnotist use on their subject to put them in a relax state during the Induction.

The cigaretts reall stimulate your heart beat faster and that will make your blood pressure go up a little bet more.  So how can that relax a person.  But the breath while you smoke relaxes the person but in the wrong way.  Your damaging your lungs and body but it makes you feel relax'd.  How stupid it that.

You can achieve that same relax state without smoking and you will keep your Health also.

I hope this will help all of you that dont smoke not to try the smoking.

Sincerely,
Frank (Hypnotist)