two important issues about sub-navel center

[Cruel Tendencies]

What I've noticed about breathing from the stomach (or the heart, or any primary center you want to activate) is that the energy is still pulled up through the feet and hands, even if you don't do it purposely.  The sponging actions and the full-body circuit are designed to strengthen those pathways that the energy moves through.  While breathing as you've described will fill the sub-navel, I don't think it provides the same training for body awareness that consciously raising the energy through the legs and arms does.  There'll be problems when you want to activate higher chakras, and don't know how to "breathe from the forehead."  So, basically, it's important to keep at the sponging and brushing actions, and do the exercises as the NEW tutorial says.. even if it takes a long time.  Eventually it won't take long at all.

Sorry, but I won't attempt right now to talk about the sexual desire.. If you're worried that it's energy-related (as just about everything psychological is), then continue with NEW and begin work on the primary centers when you're able.  Robert Bruce recommends staying away from the groin center at first, but eventually you'll need to work on it.  The point is to work on all of your chakras equally, so as to balance out the subconscious impact they're having on you.


Paul

[Moonburn33]

as for supposed sexual imbalances- yes the sacral chakra makes the energy, but the rest of you has to interpret it.  try grounding the energy and doing full body energy work when the desires start to creep up or you're thinking about it.  the state of your energy body when you're thinking about it is the state that you need to work on it.  this won't make your problems disappear but it will allow you to become conscious of why you have these problems and how you can deal with it in a sane manner.

[Kalonek]

I won't answer on the breathing question as i agree with what Cruel Tendencies says.

But about the sexual problems, i have found that most of them doesn't come from the sexual chakra in itself, which is pretty cleared from blockages (due to our intensive use of its faculties) but from the heart chakra, which is also a "sexual" chakra. So if you want to "cure" some of your sexual problems, concentrate on the heart chakra, as it is the link between the physical and the mental/metaphysical things (lower and higher chakras). I had recently some problems with my girlfriend regarding this, i wasn't excited sexually anymore by here. I thought it might be the difficulty to join everything, my physical and social life and my quest for spirituality. I therefore worked on it in 2 sessions and the next day everything was definitely improved ! So give it a try and i'm sure it will help you a lot, as it did for me.
A good exercicse that was given to me by boydster on this forum is at night, when you wake up with this enormous desire (not to say a diplodocus' erection ), don't even think about moving, stay very calm and focus your attention on your sexual region. You will feel some kind of clearly fluid substance there, it's a pool of sexual energy concentrated there. Force it to come up through your spine to your heart center, and you'll feel your desire getting down very quickly, as well as it's physical manifestations (about 8-10 sec max), and stay focused on your heart center after that until you fall asleep again or wake up. It's VERY effective to develop it.

[boydster]

I agree with Kalonek; I don't think you will help yourself very much by focusing on your lower chakras. It would be better to train your body and energy system so that more of this vital energy raises up the spine into the higher chakras where it will benefit other portions of your life, such as intellectual pursuits or higher emotions.

I know that I'm going to get comments from the next thing I have to say, but I've got to mention it. There are astral entities which feed on the substantial energy released from masturbation. So they hang around young people and psychically manipulate them into sexual fantasies which they then convince their victim they need to fulfill, preferrably via masturbation. A good deal of this energy is actually exchanged during real sex and so it's not just lost to the dogs like it is during masturbation. But several ejaculations per day via either sex or masturbation is a lot of energy to lose.

Anyway, it would help you to get rid of these sex entities and turn that spiritual fire upward into some longer lasting pursuits. There is a lot of info in the psychic self defense forum on how to rid oneself of unwanted entities.

I wish you victory and happiness!!

[Kalonek]

quote:Originally posted by boydster

I agree with Kalonek; I don't think you will help yourself very much by focusing on your lower chakras. It would be better to train your body and energy system so that more of this vital energy raises up the spine into the higher chakras where it will benefit other portions of your life, such as intellectual pursuits or higher emotions.

Thank you boydster [] And in fact i think that focusing on the lower chakras will even do the opposite effect : it will make the desire grow bigger and bigger, which is definitely not what is wanted ! So cesm23, concentrate on the higher chakras and especially the heart.

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There are astral entities which feed on the substantial energy released from masturbation. So they hang around young people and psychically manipulate them into sexual fantasies which they then convince their victim they need to fulfill, preferrably via masturbation. A good deal of this energy is actually exchanged during real sex and so it's not just lost to the dogs like it is during masturbation. But several ejaculations per day via either sex or masturbation is a lot of energy to lose.

I totally agree with this. It's even simple to see : just force yourself to stop masturbating for a week, you'll see that it'll become harder and harder the first days to resist, as if someone was forcing you to do it, even if you don't want to. You must have a very strong willpower. But after a few days, you'll suddenly feel that the desire has disappeared, as if this "someone" was gone. Just give it a try, you'll see by yourself. And after that you'll feel really good, liberated. You can then concentrate on higher purposes.

[Moonburn33]

or you could pay attention to your sexuality and find out what you really want- instead of supress it.

you could also routinely cleanse your room and make it uncomfortable for the sex mosquitoes

[dreamosis]

Cesm23:

As I read these posts something occured to me.  The sexual excitement, while intuitionally I would say is very related to energies at the fourth chakra and the second, it could be a result too of simply coming into your body when you do energywork.  

I've had this experience quite often, of being distracted by my own sexual energy--especially when I do out-of-body work.  I had a meditation teacher a while back and I asked him about this and he advanced to me that possibility.  Often our energy (attention) is outwardly directed, caught up in our work, our relationships, the future and the act of meditation and direct energy stimulation like new can bring our energy suddenly back into the physical.  The body is likely to respond to it in some way.

What's coming up as I write is that there's a lot of judgment-energy at the second for you, so it's already lit-up and when you do energy raising it really lights up.  You probaly also run your second chakra at a high speed and that's why people are in judgment.  You could work the energy with the intention to clear other people's judgment/resistance about your sexual identity or practices or experiences or feelings.  

The fourth chakra, and layer of the aura it generates, is very much about self-image--not only how you love others, but how you love yourself.  That's another place there might be judgment.  

All in all, what I'm saying is: the uncomfortable experiences of the centers may not be wholly you.  If you cleared other people's energy, you might find the centers easy to experience and direct.  We project energy onto each other all the time and I have found that one of the hugest benefits of meditation is being able to recognize that a thought/feeling/or, judgment is not mine and simply ground it out, say goodbye to it, ask the Supreme Being to take it away.  
 
...Good journeys.

-Dreamosis



 

[cesm23]

first of all i could only reply now as only now i could go to internet again (in school)

it's incredible, everytime i think that everyone will reply, no one replys and everytime i am pessimist and that i think no one will reply, i receive some or lots of replys. It's incredible, in how many things in my daily life this "counter-intuintion" or "negative intuintion" works.

Finally for the first time ever i got replys about my specific problem, after me doing so many posts for help in fixing the consequences of my problem, instead of going into it's sources.

to Cruel Tendencies :

Hum... i remember you... by the way, this was the reason i was so "obssessed" with psychic abilities (specially remote view) and N.E.W., some weeks/months ago when i have done that post about new in which you and me replyed each other.

Thanks for the descriptions in your first paragraph, finally i got some more doubts dissolved.
Indeed i am also working in the third eye chakra, mostly because the nose work does stimulate the third eye chakra. But i am also doing some kind of clairvoyance training, but strangely i can feel my third eye chakra well, with lots of tingling and some pressure but nothing more, and this happens even when i am NOT thinking at it. Also, i do have good dream recall and very vivid dreams but i never had psychic abilities. I thought that Robert Bruce said that having more vivid dreams and lucid dreams or even good dream recall was a sign of a developed third eye, but i never had any kind of psychic abilities, is this not true what he said?

Yes, i finally now do N.E.W. everyday, about 2 hours before sleep, as i said in the begining.
Altough what you said "While breathing as you've described will fill the sub-navel, I don't think it provides the same training for body awareness that consciously raising the energy through the legs and arms does." is very interesting, but why do i got much more energy activity in the lower belly with the breathing ? Anyways i am also doing the leg and arm energy raising, but it's still very difficult to visualize/try to feel energy flowing INSIDE my limbs, it feels as it's on the surface.

Hum... indeed sometimes i do energy work very near the groin center and nothing happens... just tingling, nothing more. Anyways, about that of providing the balance in chakras, do you think the spinal bounce is good for that also ? I also do it everyday in the daily session of NEW.

One last question for you : Kalonek said in this post "when you wake up with this enormous desire (not to say a diplodocus' erection ), don't even think about moving, stay very calm and focus your attention on your sexual region. You will feel some kind of clearly fluid substance there, it's a pool of sexual energy concentrated there. Force it to come up through your spine to your heart center, and you'll feel your desire getting down very quickly, as well as it's physical manifestations (about 8-10 sec max), and stay focused on your heart center after that until you fall asleep again or wake up. It's VERY effective to develop it." please tell me if this is safe to do ? Even tough i tried this but absolutly nothing happened, i couldn't even feel that "fluid substance".

to MoonBurn33 :

Hum... i must say that my main problem is that i suffer a lot because i can never satisfy my fetishes the way i want, and it's that that makes me suffer, it seems that this obssession is as psychological as physical. And i don't think on this all the time, it's mostly when i see girls, but the problem is that i feel physical atraction for almost every one (also i never had feel in love and never had any girlfriend) and i can never see the part i like on them (it's not sexual parts that i like, not even boobs) in the conditions i want, and i suffer a lot with that, and other thing it's not even sex that i want with them, it's EXCLUSIVLY the fetishes (this is why i can't have a girlfriend, because i don't want sex and i hate kissing, specially on the mouth).

That thing of grounding, i don't know, i never done any energy work, and i only started doing new some months ago, but only 3 weeks ago i started serious work with NEW, by doing it daily. That's why i can't even do psiballs, so grounding doesn't have any effect on me. After all, i only started doing energy work for the first time with 23 years old... That part when you say "the state of your energy body when you're thinking about it is the state that you need to work on it." i don't understand quit well, i don't feel any difference in my energy body when i have the sexual obssession. It's all psychological, altough the desire is physical.

When you say "you could pay attention to your sexuality and find out what you really want- instead of supress it." what this means, it means if i want to lose the fetishes or if i want to keep them? Well i would prefer to KEEP them, only MUCH less stronger and never being obssessive. Altough the part of not wanting sex and the part of also feeling very atracted to younger girls and even children (altough i also am atracted by those of my age with almost the same strength, but the younger they are the stronger the desire is) is not normal and that i would want to fix, i don't want to become a paedofilian.

to Kalonek :

Yes, i remenber your reply in the other post ("Intro, OBEs and NEW q's"), unfortunately i only readed it AFTER doing this post now, now with your reply here it's not necessary to me reply your older reply but i thank you very much for the advices there!

Yes, you confirm that the problem can also come from the Heart Chakra, and indeed when i do the spinal bounce i seem to feel a strong blockage in the spine at the level at the heart, altough in many other parts of my spine i can't even feel it. When you say "it is the link between the physical and the mental/metaphysical things" that i already know, another person told me that also, but isn't it early to work on main chakras yet ? Sorry but i am doing N.E.W. daily for 3 weeks and absolutly NOTHING changed, including in the sexual desire, even if i do the spinal bounce (concentrating also in the heart chakra area) and energy raising to sub-navel.

Altough tell me EXACTLY how and what you did when you say "I therefore worked on it in 2 sessions and the next day everything was definitely improved !" You mean you worked directly on the heart chakra ? If yes tell me the steps and technique.

When you say "A good exercicse that was given to me" until the end of your post, wait a minute ! That doesn't induce a premature kundalini arousal ?! Are you sure that is SAFE ?! Anyways, i have a few questions about that :

1. Can this be done when i have a sexual desire when sitting (watching television in which i see a girl) to reduce the obssesion ? Or this only works at night ?
2. When you say "You will feel some kind of clearly fluid substance there, it's a pool of sexual energy concentrated there." you mean also when i have erection ? Because i could NEVER feel that you say when i have these desires ! Not even any kind of energy sensations. Or you were talking specifically on masturbation ? Only in that moment i feel a similar thing as everyone.
3. When you say to force it to come up trought spine to heart center, is this doing SEXUAL energy raising to the heart center ? Also are you sure this is safe ?!

WAIT A MINUTE !! When you say "i think that focusing on the lower chakras will even do the opposite effect" are you sure that is true ? Then i can't do sub-navel raising ! As the sub-navel center is the same as the sex/sacral chakra isn't it ? If it's not how do i know if i am fillinf the sub-navel center or stimulating the sex chakra ?

But that makes sense, as if i have a lot of sexual desire it's possible that the sex chakra is over-active, but in that case how i practise N.E.W. if it's dangerous to directly fill the heart and third eye centers ? (even tough i already tried that and absolutly nothing bad happened)

Another thing when you say "concentrate on the higher chakras and especially the heart." hum... i also been doing some third eye chakra work, and even on throat chakra, but in the heart indeed i haven't done much, by the way the heart and trouath chakras as the ones i feel less. I guess then i should focus on Heart, trouath and third eye chakra, as i also want (VERY badly) to develop psychic abilities, even if it takes 50 years in my case, because indeed i am having big difficulties in getting any results in psychic abilities, the only thing i can do is make the psywheel spin with my hand near clockwise in left hand and counter-clockwise in right hand (and NO IT'S NOT THE WIND!!). Oh i can also make a magnetic repultion between my palms but it's always very weak.

Now to finish my reply to you, about your last paragraph :

No, i can't stop marturbating for a week ! Only about 1 or 2 years ago i DISCOVERED masturbation (before that i tought that i didn't liked it, as i never wanted or liked sex, altough even after doing masturbation for the first time, i still don't want sex, i only feel sexual atraction in the specific parts of girls that each fetish is and then masturbating with the hand, not making sex with girls) and i must say that time it was REALLY a living hell because i didn't had a way to relieve my sexual desire and i suffered a lot and sometimes even thinked in suicide (even tough i would never do that in fact, but many times i got so desesperated that many times i would fould as exploding) and the masturbation relieves me a lot, BUT only for 1-2 hours, even tough in the next 1-2 days i ALMOST don't think in those fetishes, if, of course, i don't see girls which is difficult. So, without wanting i ALREADY did that you said, in the past, and the desire never dissapeared... I guess my sexual problems are much more serious than yours... (don't take offense !) Anyways thanks for the tips !

to boydster :

I hope you read also my answer to Kalonek, to you understand better my situation. Yes i tought of that, of stimulating the higher chakras, but i always got afraid of those terrible storys of premature kundalini arousals and with that the warnings to start chakra work in the root chakra, and then each chakra and only then at the end the crown chakra. Altough i have been doing work on third eye chakra and nothing bad happened, even if i feel energy sensations there.

What the ?!?! "There are astral entities which feed on the substantial energy released from masturbation." ? Indeed, at least for me it's impossible to not comment on this ! Well, it MIGTH be that my case, and when you say "So they hang around young people and psychically manipulate them into sexual fantasies which they then convince their victim they need to fulfill, preferrably via masturbation." i must say that i have about 6-7 different fetishes, so i don't know if they would do all that to me. Woud they focus on all of them?! Altough, i am a bit skeptic about that, as i am not clairvoant and i don't ever know how is to feel presences ! I could even be in a dark room full of people that, without noise i would never guess there was more people in that room.

By the way i never done more than 2 masturbations for day, now i usually do 1 masturbation each 1-2 days, and even like that i still suffer because i can't find the ideal ways to satisfy, you see, pictures is NOT enouth, i would want videos and in the conditions i want is impossible. (it's not necessary to tell here which conditions i would want)

When you say "There is a lot of info in the psychic self defense forum on how to rid oneself of unwanted entities." are you sure that for a non (i mean with absolutly no psychic abilities) it's possible to do psychic self defense ? I can't even shape energy, much less doing shields. It seems the only thing i can do is that one of hearing classical music and christmas carols (altough that's the only kind of music i love to hear, i ONLY like classical music and specially with choir, but only if it's classical, but that one in the final battle in Matrix Revolutions is also very very beautiful even not being classical) that i think it's not enough, but what else can i do if i can't shape energy to form shields ?

to dreamosis :

Oh my, no offense but your post was the most confusing to me ! But thanks for the reply anyway.
One thing that ALWAYS happened to me, is that everyday i seem to have energy surges on me. I mean, all of a sudden, i feel a lot of tingling rising on me for a few seconds, but it's hard to notice from where it comes when i notice it's already rising in my upper cheat and shoulders, upwards, and i even have to do a full body shake to "release" this. This is very strange, altough this happens for years even when i NEVER done any kind of energy work. And it's not on the spine it's in the whole width of my body (horizontally). Could this mean i do have excess energy on my body since many months or years ?

please sorry to you all for a lengthy post again, i just can't help it.

[cesm23]

I have been doing N.E.W. for some days now and isome few strange things. One of the parts is that i already do energy raising to sub-navel center, from legs, but it can't feel almost nothing, mostly because for me it's very difficult to do the spounging action in legs or arms as i only can feel well the brushing action on the surface of skin, but as i am doing a simplified version of leg and arm work (i only do the brushing actions in the whole surface of skin of legs and arms, if not i would take 1,5 hours just in leg work or arm work and that's too long) but i do feel little twitches all the time.

But then i tried to breath from the stomach (i presume that some people here have given that advice in some posts) and i could feel energy in stomach and lower belly much better than when doing sub-navel filling ! I even felt some twitches around the stomach and lower belly for the first time and this seemed to stimulate stomach and sub-navel center much better. Is this normal ? Maybe it's this the energy breathing, even tough i can't concentrate quickly enough to visualize the color of energy each time i breath in and out, i am aware of the feeling of the breathing at least, and that seems to work, even tough i need to hyperventilate a lot of times almost everytime i become aware of my breathing.

So, a simple question resuming this first issue : does this, the breathing from stomach or from the sub-navel center have the same effect or be better than raising energy trought legs or arms to fill the sub-navel ? Anyways, when i feel my legs and arms without energy blockages, probably i could do energy raising from legs and arms much better, but that of course will take more time.

Now, a last question and issue : i don't know if anyone here knows about chakras enough to reply me this, but i absolutly need help on this, i even searched for a lot of professional help (shrinks) but none could help me : i do have sex problems (mostly very obssessive fetiches) and i wonder if clearing energy blockages in the sex chakra (which is the sub-navel center i think ? Or that is not the same as the sacral chakra?) would relief me a lot from this, as i don't see any other possibility than taking medication for the rest of life to reduce sexual desire. Also i wonder if this hasn't something to do with kundalini, as i had read in some places that kundalini is related to this (specially with a downward kundalini raising) but i don't ever remenber having any kundalini arousal so probably isn't this the cause of my problems, but what can i do to fix this ? I am really desesperated, this is my only hope, that clearing blockages in the sex chakra could at least reduce the very strong sexual desire, because if i don't do masturbation each 2-3 days it happens while sleeping at night.

Now, another question which resumes this last issue more or less : how exactly do we clear blockages in the sex chakra ? Does energy raising or energy breathing on the sub-navel center change anything about this, mostly to fix this serious problem i have ? Anyways if that is the solution, i already know that first i should work on the secondary system before working on primary chakras, but that i am already doing now.

I really have to have advices from someone about this, so i will be very sad if no one reply this as i don't have any other chance, this lasts for years now and never improves, not even hipnosis i can try, because there isn't any hypnotists in the place i live and for much i tried i could NEVER do self-hypnosis.