Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: shadowdancer on October 10, 2003, 11:14:46
Post by: shadowdancer on October 10, 2003, 11:14:46
Namaste,
shen is roughly translated from pinyin to "spirit". from what i understand it is cultivated in buddhist qi gong practice, not to increase strength of body, but strength of spirit. and i feel, in this context, spirit would be considered to be the same thing as the three more subtle koshas(bodies), after the pranamaya kosha, or the energy body. cultivating the shen is about moving more and more of one's consciousness into a real of pure spirit energy. this is one of the major differences between taoist and buddhist philosophy.
shen is roughly translated from pinyin to "spirit". from what i understand it is cultivated in buddhist qi gong practice, not to increase strength of body, but strength of spirit. and i feel, in this context, spirit would be considered to be the same thing as the three more subtle koshas(bodies), after the pranamaya kosha, or the energy body. cultivating the shen is about moving more and more of one's consciousness into a real of pure spirit energy. this is one of the major differences between taoist and buddhist philosophy.
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: Zeke88 on October 10, 2003, 11:45:33
Post by: Zeke88 on October 10, 2003, 11:45:33
From sites I read this is the energy that gives you the ability to do things you normally cant do and a physical thing you could think of it as is a better version of adrenalin..
That is what I have read from sites, if its true or not I dont kno..
That is what I have read from sites, if its true or not I dont kno..
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: neo on October 10, 2003, 13:02:33
Post by: neo on October 10, 2003, 13:02:33
shen is an extremilly powerfull energy, it is the energy used in limit break. i highly doubt that u most of u guys have even felt it(most not all) its achevaball though so just keep training. and for u dbzers its the kind of energy they use.
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: Shadow20205 on October 10, 2003, 13:50:10
Post by: Shadow20205 on October 10, 2003, 13:50:10
I thought shen could only be achieved by extreme emotional and mental distress.[|)]
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: neo on October 10, 2003, 14:34:43
Post by: neo on October 10, 2003, 14:34:43
quote:
Originally posted by Shadow20205
I thought shen could only be achieved by extreme emotional and mental distress.[|)]
yes the limit break is extreme emotion, and i was real ticked of once and i throw a punch and nearly broke my arm (man than hurt)[B)]
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: Shadow20205 on October 10, 2003, 16:02:33
Post by: Shadow20205 on October 10, 2003, 16:02:33
Thats be cuase when you punch you gotta rotate the hips, it acts as a shock absorber and don't fully extend your arm there should still be a slight bend, learn to punch and retract with out fully extending the arm and when you punch, mabey should keep your hand loose and tighten up just before inpact(Bruce Lee used this tech).[:)]
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: neo on October 11, 2003, 15:06:13
Post by: neo on October 11, 2003, 15:06:13
i already know that, i mean come on u think i could use shen without knowing hoe to punch[:P] but brue lee was right thats the best way to punch and ot making a fist untill impact is a very usfull tech
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: Shadow20205 on October 11, 2003, 17:41:03
Post by: Shadow20205 on October 11, 2003, 17:41:03
Just make sure, becuase (*Whisper*)There are alot of ignorant people int the world(*Whisper*)LOL.[:)][:)][:D]
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: neo on October 12, 2003, 06:26:44
Post by: neo on October 12, 2003, 06:26:44
lol, has any one else expereined shen??
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: Shadow20205 on October 12, 2003, 09:36:54
Post by: Shadow20205 on October 12, 2003, 09:36:54
Once, but not for that long just for mabey just for 5-10 seconds.[;)]
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: Syke on October 12, 2003, 11:39:04
Post by: Syke on October 12, 2003, 11:39:04
quote:
Originally posted by Shadow20205
(Bruce Lee used this tech).[:)]
what, you mean a punch?.... it's not a special technique or even a special type of punch.... it's just a correct way to punch.
and when you punch when you're angry, it isn't extra rage power that hurts your arm, it's just because you're full of rage that you dont punch properly and over stretch it which can cause damage to your elbow. or you dont strengthen your rist and twist that which can cause a lot of damage too.
so i suggest that when you're angry and think you have this shen energy in you, you punch something soft like a pillow, that way you wont cause any damage to yourself. even a punching bag can cause injury if you dont know how to punch properly or you're just not thinking straight.
-Syke
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: neo on October 12, 2003, 14:53:14
Post by: neo on October 12, 2003, 14:53:14
quote:
Originally posted by Syke
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what, you mean a punch?.... it's not a special technique or even a special type of punch.... it's just a correct way to punch.
and when you punch when you're angry, it isn't extra rage power that hurts your arm, it's just because you're full of rage that you dont punch properly and over stretch it which can cause damage to your elbow. or you dont strengthen your rist and twist that which can cause a lot of damage too.
so i suggest that when you're angry and think you have this shen energy in you, you punch something soft like a pillow, that way you wont cause any damage to yourself. even a punching bag can cause injury if you dont know how to punch properly or you're just not thinking straight.
-Syke
no it is impossible for me to punch incorectly, its like u spelling ur name wrong. it was th force of which my arm was prpelled that hur it, it was not the way i punched. oh and the lonest i have ever used shen was about 10 mins, it was so cool i really f**ked up my boxing bag(split it in one punch[;)])
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: Shadow20205 on October 13, 2003, 15:54:33
Post by: Shadow20205 on October 13, 2003, 15:54:33
No I meant thats how he punched, Ijust said tech becuase he always does it that way it might as well be called a tech.[:)]
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: shenron_2012 on October 16, 2003, 08:28:57
Post by: shenron_2012 on October 16, 2003, 08:28:57
thank you for replying to this topic guys. and for the record: shen energy is heven energy and hell energy fuzed together.
have fun.....
have fun.....
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: neo on October 16, 2003, 13:17:32
Post by: neo on October 16, 2003, 13:17:32
for the record its not, its anger energy
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: beavis on October 16, 2003, 19:15:22
Post by: beavis on October 16, 2003, 19:15:22
"I thought shen could only be achieved by extreme emotional and mental distress"
Maybe I've been using shen energy.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8174
Maybe I've been using shen energy.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8174
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: Nagual on October 17, 2003, 01:06:14
Post by: Nagual on October 17, 2003, 01:06:14
Watch out guys, you're going to turn green with huge pumped muscles!!! [:P][;)]
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Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: shadowdancer on October 17, 2003, 06:28:00
Post by: shadowdancer on October 17, 2003, 06:28:00
Namaste,
its tremendously unfortunate that people could be this misled. Shen energy has NOTHING to do with ANGER PER SE!! Shen is the spirit-mind/consciousness! The ONLY example i have seen given that could POSSIBLY be interpreted as an ACTUAL manifestation of shen, would be the examples of mothers lifiting cars from children, or other such acts of extreme psycho-physiological manifestations of unexplainable strength. Please keep in mind that these manifestations DO IN FACT HAVE SCIENTIFIC BASIS and are easy to learn about. Please don't explain something away with an abstract and undefined concept you very well picked up from a website that does not have the authority to give authoritative information about such subjects. For the record, Qi Gong practicioners(especially in Buddhist or religious Qi Gong) use their yuan qi(primordial energy) from the lower tan tien, transmute that energy into zhen qi(usable, or actual qi), in addition to the cultivation of postnatal jing. They then use the build up of qi and jing to nourish the shen(spirit-mind/consciousness)so that the spirit can survive death and eventually achieve enlightenment. In Daoist schools of qi gong practice, they major difference is the focus upon the cultivation of the physical body as well, in hopes of achieving ACTUAL physical immortality. These are old school beliefs and I don't know if any taoists today still hold them. Now I AM going to be a bit patronizing here, SOOOOO, KIDS; if you don't know, ASK! Someone will probably be able to tell you, or tell you where to start looking. Also, I ENJOY BODY ARTS, the development of the physical body into an efficient vehicle for consciousness and the cultivation of energetic systems and systems theories...these ideas are dear to me. But I really, really do my best to approach the exploration of these ideas in a thoughtful and patient manner, and do my best not to speak about what I don't know. As far as I am concerned, the ignorant immature liars club is on the "ENERGY" forum. If you want to post things like "No, you are all dummies and I KNOW I AM RIGHT blah blah blah"; please do so there. I really enjoy the Astral Pulse forums and especially the Energy Body Development area, so I am going to harp on anyone who post BS. thanks
its tremendously unfortunate that people could be this misled. Shen energy has NOTHING to do with ANGER PER SE!! Shen is the spirit-mind/consciousness! The ONLY example i have seen given that could POSSIBLY be interpreted as an ACTUAL manifestation of shen, would be the examples of mothers lifiting cars from children, or other such acts of extreme psycho-physiological manifestations of unexplainable strength. Please keep in mind that these manifestations DO IN FACT HAVE SCIENTIFIC BASIS and are easy to learn about. Please don't explain something away with an abstract and undefined concept you very well picked up from a website that does not have the authority to give authoritative information about such subjects. For the record, Qi Gong practicioners(especially in Buddhist or religious Qi Gong) use their yuan qi(primordial energy) from the lower tan tien, transmute that energy into zhen qi(usable, or actual qi), in addition to the cultivation of postnatal jing. They then use the build up of qi and jing to nourish the shen(spirit-mind/consciousness)so that the spirit can survive death and eventually achieve enlightenment. In Daoist schools of qi gong practice, they major difference is the focus upon the cultivation of the physical body as well, in hopes of achieving ACTUAL physical immortality. These are old school beliefs and I don't know if any taoists today still hold them. Now I AM going to be a bit patronizing here, SOOOOO, KIDS; if you don't know, ASK! Someone will probably be able to tell you, or tell you where to start looking. Also, I ENJOY BODY ARTS, the development of the physical body into an efficient vehicle for consciousness and the cultivation of energetic systems and systems theories...these ideas are dear to me. But I really, really do my best to approach the exploration of these ideas in a thoughtful and patient manner, and do my best not to speak about what I don't know. As far as I am concerned, the ignorant immature liars club is on the "ENERGY" forum. If you want to post things like "No, you are all dummies and I KNOW I AM RIGHT blah blah blah"; please do so there. I really enjoy the Astral Pulse forums and especially the Energy Body Development area, so I am going to harp on anyone who post BS. thanks
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: Nagual on October 17, 2003, 11:01:21
Post by: Nagual on October 17, 2003, 11:01:21
I think, most of the blame should go to the cartoons/comics/anime (hulk, dbz, akira, street fighters, etc...) where they keep hammering "anger=power" into the kids mind... Kids, the most powerful fighters don't show/use any emotions...
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: beavis on October 17, 2003, 14:44:47
Post by: beavis on October 17, 2003, 14:44:47
Some emotions can increase energy, but I dont think anger is one of them.
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: neo on October 17, 2003, 16:53:57
Post by: neo on October 17, 2003, 16:53:57
quote:
Originally posted by Nagual
I think, most of the blame should go to the cartoons/comics/anime (hulk, dbz, akira, street fighters, etc...) where they keep hammering "anger=power" into the kids mind... Kids, the most powerful fighters don't show/use any emotions...
dumb butt, u r not a fighter unless u are run by emotion. with out it wat r u fighting 4?. and btw emotion is the key to shen(anger) i know coz i hace done it.
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: LightLizard on October 17, 2003, 17:38:16
Post by: LightLizard on October 17, 2003, 17:38:16
'shen' is one of the 'three treasures' of chinese medicine theory. in taiji and qigong, we cultivate these treasures with a combination of active/static/breath/movement/body/mind methods.
jing=physical strength/sperm
qi=breath/energy
shen=spirit
love
LL[;)]
jing=physical strength/sperm
qi=breath/energy
shen=spirit
love
LL[;)]
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: kakkarot on October 17, 2003, 18:04:47
Post by: kakkarot on October 17, 2003, 18:04:47
quote:you are not a fighter if you are ruled by your emotions, you are worthless as a fighter at that point for you are only one step away from being psychotic, which a true fighter is not.
Originally posted by neo
dumb butt, u r not a fighter unless u are run by emotion. with out it wat r u fighting 4?. and btw emotion is the key to shen(anger) i know coz i hace done it.
a fighter must be in control of themselves; their body, their mind, their emotions, and their spirit. using emotions such as anger will temporarily increase your strength, but in the long run you are only screwing your self over if you have to rely upon them.
"a fighter without passion is a fraud", and that is very true, for a fighter has to have a reason to fight (their passion) otherwise they will only be a second rate fighter compared to what they could be. however, passion DOES NOT equate to anger, not even close.
a good fighter will be in touch with his/her emotions/mind/spirit/body, but will not let them rule him/her.
a good warrior will *be* his/her emotions/mind/spirit/body, but will still not let them rule him/her.
~kakkarot
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: Aphotica on October 17, 2003, 19:43:21
Post by: Aphotica on October 17, 2003, 19:43:21
Wait, wait. Can you even move ap op-can with shen energy? C'mon guys I need clarification.
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: Nagual on October 18, 2003, 01:22:51
Post by: Nagual on October 18, 2003, 01:22:51
Real fighters don't fight... [|)]
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: kenshinhan604 on October 20, 2003, 04:37:18
Post by: kenshinhan604 on October 20, 2003, 04:37:18
the strongest one is the one who dosent fight back
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: Clow on October 21, 2003, 05:11:03
Post by: Clow on October 21, 2003, 05:11:03
Aphotica Shen is not a projetile =P. Well As I've always heard it shen is emotional and corresponds with the limit break. Isn't our spirit what gives us emotion what seperates us from the machine. True fighters may not be ruled by emotion but can show emotion and it might even make them stronger. Anger is known to make people pass thier limits of strength and if you could harness that anger(hmmm they don't have a light bulb smily guess I gota make one)(0)(thats not a very good light bulb but thats what ti's supposed to be =P). Anyway If you could harness anger, shen then you could make yourself super powerful. Not like hulk he has no control... NO ANCHOVIES AHHHHHHHH YOU MAKE HULK MAD PIZZA BOY MUST DIE!!!!!!.
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: neo on October 26, 2003, 10:32:39
Post by: neo on October 26, 2003, 10:32:39
a fighter without emotion is like a soldier with out a war, they are both useless[:(]
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: MJ-12 on October 26, 2003, 19:00:37
Post by: MJ-12 on October 26, 2003, 19:00:37
xx
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: neo on October 27, 2003, 08:29:33
Post by: neo on October 27, 2003, 08:29:33
emotion is not a weakness, its the only advantage we have over demons(evil or bad things) they have only hate filled hearts and no love. without love they dont have that urge to succeed.
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: MJ-12 on October 27, 2003, 13:40:40
Post by: MJ-12 on October 27, 2003, 13:40:40
zz
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: Escasoni on October 28, 2003, 16:01:05
Post by: Escasoni on October 28, 2003, 16:01:05
hey i know i just joined but i was interested in this and what better way to start (than join a argument). i agree with MJ as in the comparison of emotions and fire, in that when you let your emotions get out of control you most likly will hurt or destory something, sometimes what is not even the person or object you where angry at. But when used properly can be your biggest asset ever known. And just to tell you people yeah i am a DBZer, but not for the reasons of anger, energy and such, but for the fact that they are allways trying to advance and better themselves, that is what i like. seeya
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: Clow on October 28, 2003, 17:19:34
Post by: Clow on October 28, 2003, 17:19:34
Mj is correct to much can be bad but if you can control it. CONTROL is what you want.(Not that bad stuff Goerge Bush has when someone assaults his country. *Bombs his own house*)
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: kenshinhan604 on November 21, 2003, 01:59:51
Post by: kenshinhan604 on November 21, 2003, 01:59:51
good question wats the difference?
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: SanctusIgnis on November 27, 2003, 15:52:32
Post by: SanctusIgnis on November 27, 2003, 15:52:32
Shen is the power of the pure spirit, transending duality, it is not really generated through anger, but deperation(ie. one has such a strong desire to do something that they just do it, without even thinking.)What all of you must understand is that one is capable of much greater things if not held back by fear. None of us are "only" human. Hopefully your souls are old enough to understand. Mock me if you wish but by doing so you only show your blind ignorance and immaturity.
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: Mistic-Idan on December 24, 2003, 08:48:45
Post by: Mistic-Idan on December 24, 2003, 08:48:45
Hi.
First of all peoplr are getting off this subject on this forum, if someone asks a question answer him and don't bullish!
Anyway Shen energy is the spiritual anger energy, when a human gets mad or depressed he uses an energy called Shen.
The shen energy is usually used when someone gets in an imergency situation and can't do anything, it cames for self-defence.
When the Shen is used by a human, he can't control it very well because of the anger, he can't relax and think twice.
the anger makes him to feel much stronger and self-confidence in a high level.
well there is more info on the web you can search everywere and find a various of answers for you question.
Hope i could help, happy holiday!
First of all peoplr are getting off this subject on this forum, if someone asks a question answer him and don't bullish!
Anyway Shen energy is the spiritual anger energy, when a human gets mad or depressed he uses an energy called Shen.
The shen energy is usually used when someone gets in an imergency situation and can't do anything, it cames for self-defence.
When the Shen is used by a human, he can't control it very well because of the anger, he can't relax and think twice.
the anger makes him to feel much stronger and self-confidence in a high level.
well there is more info on the web you can search everywere and find a various of answers for you question.
Hope i could help, happy holiday!
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: kakkarot on December 24, 2003, 10:09:29
Post by: kakkarot on December 24, 2003, 10:09:29
shen is at least as important to the calm and peaceful type of person as it is to anyone else.
here's some websites which explain shen and some other things (note that not all are from actual chinese sources):
"SHEN -That which makes humans more than an object in motion."
http://www.chinesemedicinesampler.com/introduction_to_tcm_shen.htm
"Jing energy, also called "essence", is the primordial energy unique to an individual that is passed to them at conception. Shen is said to be the driving energy behind activities that take place in the mental, spiritual or creative planes. Qi is the most dynamic and immediate energy of the body."
http://www.naturalways.com/treas.htm (or http://www.naturalways.com/treas1.htm for a somewhat more fleshed out description of the three)
some "Notes for a talk given by the British acupuncturist and herbalist at East West Seminar at Bore Farm, July, 1997".
http://www.planetherbs.com/articles/psych_tcm.html
This is an excellent page which goes into detail about a couple of things regarding differentiations between chinese and japanese meanings of a couple of words. "The close relation between the writing systems of these two countries has sometimes given rise to suggestions of a shared ethnicity, such as the theory of "common script, a common race." Yet when two differing cultures use a common script, there are bound to be numerous differences in the connotations of the words used. A classic example in Chinese and Japanese culture is that of the characters shen #31070; (pronounced shin or kami in Japanese) and xin #24515; (Japanese shin or kokoro)." of course there is much more so check this one out.
http://www.cityu.edu.hk/ccs/Newsletter/newsletter3/HomePage/CulturalDiff/CulturalDiff.html
"The three things are "Jing", "Qi", "Shen". The key is to nurture the mental stability to anchor oneself to make good judgments. Fear, anxiety, egotism and other unstable emotions can undermine all physical training. Although Wan did not explain the meanings of "Jing", "Qi" and "Shen" in Wushu Hui Zun, in the book Shaolin Liu-He Style, published in 1984, a group of his students explain that "Jing" refers to the bodily fluids that nurture one's body, "Qi" is the energy that powers one's body and "Shen" is the mental capacity that directs one's actions. The book asserts that the development of the three interlocking elements strengthens the life force."
http://www.nardis.com/~twchan/wan.html
as anyone can see, (to use programming logic) anger != shen (aka, anger does not equal shen, so shen is not anger)
to quote the first website, "The temptation to understand Oriental Medicine by fitting it into western models is strong. But reconciling eastern and western medicines is a vast ocean that is almost entirely uncharted."
i hope this answers the original question [|)]
~kakkarot
here's some websites which explain shen and some other things (note that not all are from actual chinese sources):
"SHEN -That which makes humans more than an object in motion."
http://www.chinesemedicinesampler.com/introduction_to_tcm_shen.htm
"Jing energy, also called "essence", is the primordial energy unique to an individual that is passed to them at conception. Shen is said to be the driving energy behind activities that take place in the mental, spiritual or creative planes. Qi is the most dynamic and immediate energy of the body."
http://www.naturalways.com/treas.htm (or http://www.naturalways.com/treas1.htm for a somewhat more fleshed out description of the three)
some "Notes for a talk given by the British acupuncturist and herbalist at East West Seminar at Bore Farm, July, 1997".
http://www.planetherbs.com/articles/psych_tcm.html
This is an excellent page which goes into detail about a couple of things regarding differentiations between chinese and japanese meanings of a couple of words. "The close relation between the writing systems of these two countries has sometimes given rise to suggestions of a shared ethnicity, such as the theory of "common script, a common race." Yet when two differing cultures use a common script, there are bound to be numerous differences in the connotations of the words used. A classic example in Chinese and Japanese culture is that of the characters shen #31070; (pronounced shin or kami in Japanese) and xin #24515; (Japanese shin or kokoro)." of course there is much more so check this one out.
http://www.cityu.edu.hk/ccs/Newsletter/newsletter3/HomePage/CulturalDiff/CulturalDiff.html
"The three things are "Jing", "Qi", "Shen". The key is to nurture the mental stability to anchor oneself to make good judgments. Fear, anxiety, egotism and other unstable emotions can undermine all physical training. Although Wan did not explain the meanings of "Jing", "Qi" and "Shen" in Wushu Hui Zun, in the book Shaolin Liu-He Style, published in 1984, a group of his students explain that "Jing" refers to the bodily fluids that nurture one's body, "Qi" is the energy that powers one's body and "Shen" is the mental capacity that directs one's actions. The book asserts that the development of the three interlocking elements strengthens the life force."
http://www.nardis.com/~twchan/wan.html
as anyone can see, (to use programming logic) anger != shen (aka, anger does not equal shen, so shen is not anger)
to quote the first website, "The temptation to understand Oriental Medicine by fitting it into western models is strong. But reconciling eastern and western medicines is a vast ocean that is almost entirely uncharted."
i hope this answers the original question [|)]
~kakkarot
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: kakkarot on January 02, 2004, 13:32:30
Post by: kakkarot on January 02, 2004, 13:32:30
to really understand chi, jing, and shen, a person HAS to get away from the idea that they are types of "energy". to think of them as such is like thinking that math has to do with addition and subtraction only.
i admit that it is simple to call them energy, but in reality they are not merely energy.
~kakkarot
i admit that it is simple to call them energy, but in reality they are not merely energy.
~kakkarot
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: kenshinhan604 on March 03, 2004, 01:37:43
Post by: kenshinhan604 on March 03, 2004, 01:37:43
quote:
Originally posted by neo
a fighter without emotion is like a soldier with out a war, they are both useless[:(]
emotions can distract the fighter e.g. if i pull ya gfs breasts whilst your fighting it will upset u & cause you to make mistakes that can lead to lethal results
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: KenYang on March 03, 2004, 03:20:10
Post by: KenYang on March 03, 2004, 03:20:10
quote:
Originally posted by kakkarot
to really understand chi, jing, and shen, a person HAS to get away from the idea that they are types of "energy". to think of them as such is like thinking that math has to do with addition and subtraction only.
i admit that it is simple to call them energy, but in reality they are not merely energy.
~kakkarot
With all the misconceptions out there (and BS like Radki) its hard to not find the misinterpreted versions, Kak.
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: kenshinhan604 on March 03, 2004, 03:21:44
Post by: kenshinhan604 on March 03, 2004, 03:21:44
quote:
Originally posted by KenYangquote:
Originally posted by kakkarot
to really understand chi, jing, and shen, a person HAS to get away from the idea that they are types of "energy". to think of them as such is like thinking that math has to do with addition and subtraction only.
i admit that it is simple to call them energy, but in reality they are not merely energy.
~kakkarot
With all the misconceptions out there (and BS like Radki) its hard to not find the misinterpreted versions, Kak.
josh my man uv done it again u solvd the mystery of misinterpretation that shappnd throughout asia!!!
wat can i say!!!
they all develop in different paths but they have the same roots!!!
[:)]
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: KenYang on March 03, 2004, 03:26:24
Post by: KenYang on March 03, 2004, 03:26:24
The thing about many paths, though, is that most of the legitimate paths are made by researching, studying, and respecting the paths that came before it and adding in what was "modern thought and technology" at the time in order to create that path. Paths are still being created even in modern times in the martial arts. Look at Jeet Kune Do as an example of a new path that is merely an upgraded version of an old path.
Misconceptions lack such respect because of things like greed and ego. The people who follow such misconceptions do so due to ignorance (not knowing any better).
Misconceptions lack such respect because of things like greed and ego. The people who follow such misconceptions do so due to ignorance (not knowing any better).
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: kenshinhan604 on March 03, 2004, 03:36:16
Post by: kenshinhan604 on March 03, 2004, 03:36:16
quote:
Originally posted by KenYang
The thing about many paths, though, is that most of the legitimate paths are made by researching, studying, and respecting the paths that came before it and adding in what was "modern thought and technology" at the time in order to create that path. Paths are still being created even in modern times in the martial arts. Look at Jeet Kune Do as an example of a new path that is merely an upgraded version of an old path.
Misconceptions lack such respect because of things like greed and ego. The people who follow such misconceptions do so due to ignorance (not knowing any better).
in th olden war (china and japan) they all created there own kungfu including korea however they all came from china beliefs but developed there own ways !!!
these days we are thought there ways regardless of knowing where the original was created !!!
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: KenYang on March 03, 2004, 03:39:20
Post by: KenYang on March 03, 2004, 03:39:20
If you do enough research, you can find history on your path and find where it was created.
Most paths (as far as I understand) trace from Japan to Korea or to China, Korea to China, and China to India.
Most paths (as far as I understand) trace from Japan to Korea or to China, Korea to China, and China to India.
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: kenshinhan604 on March 03, 2004, 03:44:06
Post by: kenshinhan604 on March 03, 2004, 03:44:06
quote:
Originally posted by KenYang
If you do enough research, you can find history on your path and find where it was created.
Most paths (as far as I understand) trace from Japan to Korea or to China, Korea to China, and China to India.
josh my man uv done it again!!!
2 thing uv done
one this is an hot topic
and two u do ur research im touched lol[:I]
however theres one flaw witht he history bit
that the traces are not that clear so iv seen they sometimes fallin a hole where they are lost or go elsewhere e.g. when the chineese dynasty had rebelled the shiolin temple was partly destoyed so the students and masters ran off else where some to japn others other parts of asia so this is still unclear however in some cases some thought that they ha ddeveloped there training in different paths to others!!!
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: KenYang on March 03, 2004, 04:15:55
Post by: KenYang on March 03, 2004, 04:15:55
I meant my trace to be displayed as a path backwards.
As in it started in India and went to China. It went from China to Korea. And both Korea and China were sources for the Japanese.
Your Shaolin Temple bit you spoke of can be one of the explinations for how it got from CHina to Korea and Japan.
As in it started in India and went to China. It went from China to Korea. And both Korea and China were sources for the Japanese.
Your Shaolin Temple bit you spoke of can be one of the explinations for how it got from CHina to Korea and Japan.
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: kenshinhan604 on March 03, 2004, 05:09:54
Post by: kenshinhan604 on March 03, 2004, 05:09:54
quote:
Originally posted by KenYang
I meant my trace to be displayed as a path backwards.
As in it started in India and went to China. It went from China to Korea. And both Korea and China were sources for the Japanese.
Your Shaolin Temple bit you spoke of can be one of the explinations for how it got from CHina to Korea and Japan.
josh my man wat can i say i truley under estimatd u now i remember wat u mean INDIA
well i hav heard about there successes and teaches from yonks ago from the old emporers hav u heard bout thjere king called ashok theres a film of him in hindi it shows his ascedation that he encounters after loosing his true love that was in 5BC i think
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: Dark_Phoenix on March 09, 2004, 12:32:48
Post by: Dark_Phoenix on March 09, 2004, 12:32:48
i would say love is the 'shen' you talk about....as it does count for the increase strength...to lift cars off loved ones...hint...'loved ones' so thats what i think it is...
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: kenshinhan604 on March 10, 2004, 05:05:13
Post by: kenshinhan604 on March 10, 2004, 05:05:13
quote:
Originally posted by Dark_Phoenix
i would say love is the 'shen' you talk about....as it does count for the increase strength...to lift cars off loved ones...hint...'loved ones' so thats what i think it is...
lift cars???
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: Dark_Phoenix on March 10, 2004, 07:52:09
Post by: Dark_Phoenix on March 10, 2004, 07:52:09
yes...lift cars.....i have done research on this and it shows that when someone that you care about is in trouble i.e. under a car ..you fill with strength and are able to help them escape...by lifting the car off them....
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: kakkarot on March 10, 2004, 12:57:40
Post by: kakkarot on March 10, 2004, 12:57:40
it's not really research when you hear a couple of old stories about that kind of stuff. actually, the one(s, i've heard a few versions) about the kid lifting a car is almost more like a folktale by now.
and as for what shen energy is: please refer to the links i provided on page three
~kakkarot
and as for what shen energy is: please refer to the links i provided on page three
~kakkarot
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: capelli on March 15, 2004, 13:20:38
Post by: capelli on March 15, 2004, 13:20:38
The shen energy has many names by other culture it is a cultivation of what some call prana, others say spirit, Shen can actually be translated as stated before with inclusion "spirit"or "breath"
I recommend collecting shen through the legs and letting it fill to teh head then push all teh shen to the "abiding place" or the energy centre located 2 inches below and in of the belly button.
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: capelli on March 15, 2004, 13:46:31
Post by: capelli on March 15, 2004, 13:46:31
The human body like the brain itself is quite resiliant.
At a young age we learn to wee big as heavy stronger than me.
Throughout like constantly brainwashing ourselves to maintain a palatable reality. The body is capable of great works.
Our mind tells us you can't pick it up its too heavy. When if the mind understood the body it would say I really can lift thousands of pounds
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: Squeek on March 15, 2004, 14:15:37
Post by: Squeek on March 15, 2004, 14:15:37
I would like to just supply a warning:
Keep this on the "topic" or it will be locked. Kakkarot has made some good points towards the question. Picking up cars is pretty much irrelevant. Besides, this topic was started over 5 months ago.
No more one-liners thanking another person or making a generally irrelevant comment. Those that exist here already I shall soon delete.
~Squeek
Keep this on the "topic" or it will be locked. Kakkarot has made some good points towards the question. Picking up cars is pretty much irrelevant. Besides, this topic was started over 5 months ago.
No more one-liners thanking another person or making a generally irrelevant comment. Those that exist here already I shall soon delete.
~Squeek
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: mykungfu on March 16, 2004, 12:48:14
Post by: mykungfu on March 16, 2004, 12:48:14
I have read that shen is spirit energy but also the mind...
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: kenshinhan604 on March 17, 2004, 01:44:30
Post by: kenshinhan604 on March 17, 2004, 01:44:30
quote:
Originally posted by mykungfu
I have read that shen is spirit energy but also the mind...
wat doz that mean?
[:O]
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: Kalonek on March 18, 2004, 14:20:04
Post by: Kalonek on March 18, 2004, 14:20:04
Shen is a taoist term before anything else. It has basically the same meaning as the latin "anima", but we could describe it better as the obscure manifestation of the Tao, which forms the consciousness. Nothing to do with emotions here (?) It is the second aspect of the Tao being directly present in the human body with the Yuen-ki (the union of the Ying and Yang, emanations of the Tao, in a single breath). Shen is a constant in everybody, as is jing (body aspect and essence of ki), there canno't be viewed like a kundalini-type experience where special conditions make them to rush suddenly in the body. There are always there, otherwise we couldn't live (in the taoist point of view, as jing alone is totally inert, and shen without ki is bs)
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: kenshinhan604 on March 22, 2004, 04:10:19
Post by: kenshinhan604 on March 22, 2004, 04:10:19
can u use it as an powerup?
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: pod3 on April 03, 2004, 15:56:28
Post by: pod3 on April 03, 2004, 15:56:28
To Americanize the three terms I hear mostly:
shen=spirit
qi=life
jing=force
All are different phases of eachother, states of the same energy.
You will find where these things are alluded to loosely if you apply the Law of Similars. For instance, shen, qi, and jing have corresponding organs, humors, physical substances, etc.
I had actually started in this train of thought by reading some of those corny DBZ sites, but went deeper - into their claimed sources. Judging from ancient writings, the Chinese seemed to relish topics through infinitely meticulous hairslpitting, and for every aspect of energy they had a word. You could learn thousands words alone, and then combinations! So these are only basic.
shen=spirit
qi=life
jing=force
All are different phases of eachother, states of the same energy.
You will find where these things are alluded to loosely if you apply the Law of Similars. For instance, shen, qi, and jing have corresponding organs, humors, physical substances, etc.
I had actually started in this train of thought by reading some of those corny DBZ sites, but went deeper - into their claimed sources. Judging from ancient writings, the Chinese seemed to relish topics through infinitely meticulous hairslpitting, and for every aspect of energy they had a word. You could learn thousands words alone, and then combinations! So these are only basic.
Title: what is shen energy?
Post by: shenron_2012 on October 10, 2003, 10:08:00
Post by: shenron_2012 on October 10, 2003, 10:08:00
hey i was wondering if any one knew anything on the energy called 'shen' and techniques to preform to increase its strength.?
thanx for your cooperation.
thanx for your cooperation.