Can a good projection help me out?

[Leprechaun]

Im 15 and a freshman.  I have a very miserable adolescence, not to whine, but it wasnt that great starting in 6th grade and only got worse in my last year of middle school.  I thought things would get better for me over the summer and after having a fresh start at new school, hoping all those middle school problems were gone and things would get better for me  then on.  I still got those problems and most of my free time I get (which is either too much or not enough) I just keep thinking of how things my life could've been better and all the problems I got now.  Its not to hard to worry me or turn me into a pessimist.  I sometimes even think of suicide, but I don't know yet.  Anyway, I heard something about being able do things like time travel and fix problems that could have been avoided later.  Does anyone know of anything in astral projection where you can improve your life in such ways, or has anyone even had experience where there life wasnt that great but a good projection helped them see it through?  By the way, I still dont have any methods to project down that well, I wanna be able to have a successful one soon.

[Ozzy1969]

Oh man, you seem very sad but taking your own life is not the answer. You are only 15 you have many years ahead of you, what seems like big problems to you now will seem minor when you are older, I felt the same as you when I was 15.

As for astral projection i'm not an expert so I can't really comment, I have had some experience of astral projection when Im semi-asleep I leave my body and stand there looking at myself then I fly away, somtimes through the window and it has changed my whole outlook on life, I believe your spirit continus when your body dies so now I feel none of the presures of having to succeed. In most peoples eyes my life is a failure but in mine and the few close people around me im a success, I believe in helping others, I dont believe in killing animals for food and I try to do the right thing all the time, I'm very proud of myself.

If you want to talk e-mail me, we can discuss your problems if u like.

[Dansk]

Sometimes things just suck, but that doesn't mean they won't get better, especially if you work hard at it and think positive. Please, don't think about suicide, it will just makes things worse, for everyone. Something as big as that effects so many people, more than you could imagine.

Time travel? I'm not really sure if that is possible, but maybe you should think about this: What happens to you in life makes you who you are. Tough times make you stronger, you learn more than you would if everything was happy and easy all the time.

I would suggest starting out with some meditation. It really helps clear the mind and is very calming. I believe you need to be emotionally stable if you want any great results with anything like this.

I'm also a freshman. Its seems to fall under the "things that suck" category. Ever since I started 1st grade I have hated school, I think it has something to do with the fact that I didn't have any friends and that most of the things the other children did didn't make much sense to me. (I mean really now cooties?) But I realized that by thinking about how much I dislike it  all, I am not doing anything to make it better. So that (among others) is the reason I am here. It's nice to see other people my age here too. (Not that I don't like the other people!)  

If you ever need to talk I'll be here.

[Stillwater]

Yes- I would second that notion- if you want a technique which will allow you to deal with your problems and is easily accesible, I would highly recommend meditation; meditation can be performed at anytime in anyplace, and is only limited by one's own discipline. After simply sitting peacefully for an hour, meditating on such simple objects as one's breath, it is almost as though the world takes on a new light, and the problems which we thought of as supercedeing actually turn out to be superficial.

Astral projection is a great endeavor in the long run, but the difficulty which many have in projecting for the first time (I haven't completely nailed it yet ) may be more frustrating than beneficial to some, although I would highly recommend AP as a long-term pursuit.

I hope those issues clear up soon, and feel free to IM me- I'm on most evenings.

Stillwater

[Leprechaun]

What happens to people's souls after they take their own lives?  Especially if it's a teenager like me?  I'd like to be able to time travel so maybe I could warn myself in the past about how things are gonna get once I start going to school and help me strengthen myself for whats coming up.  I could tell myself to start doing house chores earlier than I actually started and save money for workout equipment and not be all scrawny like I am now, and tell myself about the type of sports and activities I got interested in my later years of grade school and work on those so I could get involved in them.  If possible, I would even go back to before I was born when my parents lived outside Chicago and my dad had the choice of either moving to Milwaukee or Seattle for a job.  Living in Milwaukee for the first five years of my life wasn't too bad, we had a nice layed back type of neighborhood and the first school I went to for JK-SK was alright, cuz we were only 4 and 5 and we just sat on the floor eating snacks, coloring and playing with toys and there wasnt all those social issues.  Then we moved to a suburb called Wauwatosa cuz it had better schools.  We moved to the neighborhood I live in now.  I don't like it here.  I live on the second floor of a kinda crappy duplex, my mom moved out to the north side of town when I was 9.  It was then my dad my sister (now 20 and still living here with a part time job) and me.  School wasn't a great time at all no more and making new friends was and still is hard, there aint much for me to go out and do, and my parents were overprotective of me till I was 12.  It started to get to late for me to become known as an outgoing guy with a decent life and have people who like hanging around with me.  If my dad choose Seattle, I could have lived in a better environment possibly.  I've heard a lot about Seattle that makes it seem like a nice place.  What I need is a fresh start, or a new environment or maybe both.  Wisconsin doesn't seem to be doing that well for me.

[Maxicat]

Hi,

I haven't had that many projections but from what I heard an Astral Projection (as opposed to OBE) can take you to higher planes where you experience true Love, and it can be a life changing experience. So yes, you may have an AP that will make your life better, but you need to do something first...

There is an idea which has been known for a long time in metaphysical circles and is now spreading through the scientific community that everything is connected; time isn't linear and all things are One on an energetic level. You may have heard about this in references to Buddhism, meditation, Tao, e.t.c The idea is that there is no past of future but only the present.

So how to work this? By taking the present moment and fully engaging in it you are improving the future because you are doing everything right now (everything correctly at this time). You eradicate the need to invent time travel to warn yourself in the past, AND you enjoy being where you are at all times. Make yourself enjoy the present, focus on it, find the good things and make them stronger, work your life. When you enjoy yourself Now, it becomes pointless to worry about the future or the past. You kill two birds at the same time.

Amazing solution isn't it?

[Jeff_Mash]

You know, in a way, I've often seen OBE's and AP's have an almost 'alcoholic effect.'

In other words, when a person is really happy and they drink, the alcohol makes them even MORE happier.

Likewise, if a person is depressed, alcohol will make them even MORE depressed.

OBE's and AP's operate much in the same way.  I have never heard of anyone so down and out that an OBE has completely turned them into a happy go lucky person.  If anything, being depressed will only lead to scary, terrifying experiences....depending on the internal mindset of that person.

You see, that whole "astral" environment is very thought responsive.  What you think of, you create.  And being a teenager, we think, "Awesome....I'm going to have a bunch of super models having sex with me on some huge galactic orgy!"  Sorry to say, but you might be a little dissappointed.

What usually ends up happening is if you're lucky enough to OBE, the experience will be extrememly difficult to control.  Not only that, but fear will take over and it will become a horrible experience for you.  Just my opinion.

From reading your posts, it seems that you are very hung up on problems and other circumstances with this life, so much so that you expect an OBE to magically change this.  I'm sorry to say that this won't happen......or I should say, using an OBE to go back into the past to change past events, etc.

Now, what you need to do is say, "Ok, I admit that my life is real screwed up right now.  In fact, it downright sucks, and there is nothing I can do now to change what has already happened.  BUT........I CAN change things NOW to affect the FUTURE."

You don't need an OBE to do that.  Just make a conscious effort to accept where you're at.....that this was a choice that was made long before you even realized WHY you made it.....and now you can turn things in a positive direction and come out on top of everything.

This isn't an overnight process....but changing your MIND and your OUTLOOK will change your LIFE and your SITUATION.  I promise you that.

And at the same time, look into meditation.  Really analyze your thoughts when you're lying down to sleep.  Practice OBE's, not with some unrealistic notion that they should happen after 5 minutes of practice, but something that may take a lifetime to get down perfect.

Hang in there, man.  We've all been through crap and wanted to take drastic measures.  You just have to trust us when we say that it gets better.  Growing up just sucks a big hard one sometimes.

[kmD]

Hey Leprechaun, as someone who dealt with a lot of the same problems it sounds like you are dealing with, please let me convince you to seek out some council. Maybe you already have someone you can talk to, but the important thing is you are able to talk through those feelings of suicide.
I would also like to impress on you the power of self. If you steel yourself to others words, its easy to avoid their actions. If you accept your reality as a constantly changing atmosphere, you'll come to realize that these are the hardest years for teens. Yet you cant stop time and soon things will come to pass. Believe in yourself, and work towards a goal. Meditation is a good way to work through your issues, but its only an means to an end. Which is living a healthy life, emotionally and physically and most important spiritually.

[markulous]

I agree about the Buddhism or Taoism.

I had what I thought was a crappy life too man.  But reading about Buddha then eventually reading about Jesus helped me SO much.  And not to mention meditation.  Now I love my life.  I only have a couple friends and not really much family but the ones I do have I care about.  And I have food, a house, I am in good health.  What isn't there to be thankful for?

In Christianity they say if you kill yourself you will go to hell.  In Buddhism they say that is the worst thing you can do because its deicide.  Meaning your body is a god and your killing a god.  I haven't studied Islam, Hinduism, or Judaism yet but I am going to assume they have a similar penalty in the afterlife.  Chances are if you killed yourself you would go to some type of hell realm.  Nobody wants that.

Everybody has about 80 problems in their life.  Money or Sex or anything like that is never going to cure you of those.  You just have to be aware of them and they will soon become smaller and smaller.

I recommend reading any books on Buddhism or taoism.  Buddhism Plain and Simple by Steve Hagen is a really good book.  Or Living Buddha Living Christ by Thich Nhat Hanh is excellent too.  Hope that helped.

[FuggleHop]

Leprechaun--

That's a familiar situation you're in.

I'm no expert, but I doubt that learning to project will give you the sort of results you're looking for. However, it will most certainly offer other rewards. Patience and persistence must be your friends.

In the meantime, may I suggest that you investigate getting involved with such sanctuaries as music (as in learn how to play a guitar), theater (as in acting) and the visual arts (if you're not already)? You're not alone; dabbling in these areas may help you realise that.

And for your own sake, avoid listening to either Pink Floyd or Leonard Cohen.

[Dansk]

I totally agree with what FugglHop. Getting interested in things such as art or sports can be a big help. A while ago I went through... some stuff. Focusing on things that I liked (playing bass, drawing, and most of all writing) gave me something to look forward to. It helped me see that there are things in life worth living through the bad stuff for.

[Leprechaun]

Since I was 12 I wanted to get a bass, drums or and Ibanez K7 guitar for my birthday or Christmas, but my parents kinda let that one slip by every year.  Besides my dad was barely able to afford getting me a PS2 two years ago unless he went half and half with mom.  My mom says if I do get one of those I gotta get a small amp and play at a reasonable volume, but my dad says he doesn't wanna hear any of that at all and there aint no other place for me to go and play.  By the way, lots of the people at my school who like rock from the 60s-80s listen to Pink Floyd, but they all seem to be in a better mood than I am.  I kinda like Floyd, but im more 90s to now like Nirvana, Metallica, KoRn (my most favorite of all), but you'll never hear me listening to Limp Bizkit.  I don't like hearing Fred Durst sing.

[Dansk]

I'm listening to Nirvana right now! They are one of my fav. bands! I wanted to get the box set but its way too expensive so I don't think my parents will get it... oh well.  The only song I liked by Limp Bizkit was their cover of Behind Blue Eyes.  

So what other kinds of things do you like?

[You]

Always heard about that band but never listened much, I hear they have a new album out which is a compilation of all their songs, I should get that.

[Dansk]

Always heard about that band but never listened much, I hear they have a new album out which is a compilation of all their songs, I should get that.

You really should check them out! They are awesome! Too bad about Kurt though...  

[Leprechaun]

Kurt killed himself cuz he didnt wanna go all the way with his music.  He was one of those anti rock star type of rock stars.  I would of liked to be in his place though, except without Courtney Love, someone desperate can have her.  I think of suicide cuz i dont have anything to keep me going.

[You]

How about remembering rage against people who would waste their lives and bring anguish to the lives of others through such an act of stupidity? That's one of my final barriers against it. Pathetic, perhaps, but better than dying.

[Dansk]

I think of suicide cuz i dont have anything to keep me going.

I'm sorry but I don't really understand. There is so much in this world worth living for. There are the people who love you, rain in the summertime, music, sunsets, the feeling of grass on your bare feet, helping other people, learning new things like how to astral project . There are books to write and to read, places to go and people to see, love, watching snow fall gently to the ground on cold winter nights. There is emotion, and energy and food, laughter and everything else that could possibly be thought of. Yeah, some things suck but they won't change by themselves.

Personally I think Kurt killed himself because he was unhappy and was unable to see anything else besides his own misery. He was selfish, he hurt a lot of people. Please try to see beyond yourself right now, see what you could be. Personally I would be really, really upset if you did something like that.

[You]

Drugs will do that to you.

Now, as to the main post, it asks if astral projection will help you with social withdrawal. I have a feeling it won't. It's another world to escape to. If it's real, it would have a lot of benefits, and may give you several benefits in manipulating people in the real world. Even so, it's best not to rely upon it in confronting society. Build that on something more concrete. Like I wish I could

[Joerii]

Leprechaun, DUDE ! Being 15 sucks , eh ? I remeber it very clearly, since i am only 21. Hang in there man, you'll be fine. Pretty soon you'll get manly shoulders and facial hair, and chicks ( or other dudes, if that's your thing ) will dig you !

And whenever you're really angry at the whole %*&#( world, listen to " Got the Life "  by KoRN, shout along with the words and alow yourself to cry when it gets to intense ) Anyway maybe not cry, but thats how i got through being a teenager. Life is soooo much better now.  I think KoRn kept me alive between my 13-16 years.

Oh and one final advise don't smoke to much weed... it's going to mess with your feelings after a couple of years heheh