Sexual energy unhealthy?! dont think so lol

[Fourthdimension]

Hey guys, I was meaning to write this yesterday but got distracted. I was talking to some members from this site and read some posts here regarding sex and masturbation and that they are unhealthy spiritually and phsyically. something which i dont think is true. I was going hiking yesterday so on my journey i had a think about what was said into discussion.

my friend thinks that masturbation is unhealthy and so is watching porn and when i say unhealthy i refer to both physically , mentally and spiritually.

If this is true then sex must also be unhealthy since the same process happenes except its with another person.

I think its not unhealthy and its the total opposite i think its healthy ... spiritually i think thaty sex and masturbation help unblock the root charka and develop it. physically sex helps us reproduce, to some extent gives us exercise and feels good and menatally sex helps us explore the other person and ourselves and gain trust etc and masturbation mentally helps us explore ourselves and fantasies.

for millennia, sex has been used in religous practice and rites ...what changed was the rise of christianity in our modern day society and fear of ourselves.

I wanna conclude by explaining why i think people think masturbation is bad. as it is pretty obvious why sex is considered bad and thats mainly because of christianity and because of the movement during the 60's and all through the 20th century.

I think masturbation is considered bad firstly because when we do it we try to think of what turns us on and our own fantasies. People are not comfertable with that as most are nt about sex there about power and people dont feel comfertable known that  they find this attractive or that they are beings capable of thinking some bizare stuff . Are simply they just dont wanna feel un moral (if thats a real word)

I cant remember what else i was gonna right so i ll just leave it at that.

bye

[personalreality]

anytime i perform a serious ritual i always include sexual energy, which means that i channel the energy from sex into the object of my ritual.  sometimes my fiance helps, sometimes i do it on my own.  nothing works better.  it's very strong emotional energy.

[Fourthdimension]

I agree pr . in psychology sex is regarded as a preprogrammed process so that we reproduce and survive and so on but when monroe projects and me and fprobally others also they feel very strong sexual desires but if sexual energy is only used for reproduction why would we feel it in the astral?

What relevance does sexual energy have to us in the astral and why do we need other energy's?

[personalreality]

well, there is an aspect of instinctual drive with sexual energy.  i think that when out of body it needs to be controlled which can take some time to learn.  but, i think it is extremely effective as a magickal tool that can be easily replicated OOB.  i think it's so effective because it's a strong emotion that is easily remembered and replicated.  it's like when i create an astral version of a physical tool, like a crystal.  in much the same way, we can create astral sex energy and it seems to be much simpler because it's such a powerful feeling in the physical memory.

[CFTraveler]

Hi 4-D.
As usual, I'll give my opinion.

Hey guys, I was meaning to write this yesterday but got distracted. I was talking to some members from this site and read some posts here regarding sex and masturbation and that they are unhealthy spiritually and phsyically. something which i dont think is true. I was going hiking yesterday so on my journey i had a think about what was said into discussion.

my friend thinks that masturbation is unhealthy and so is watching porn and when i say unhealthy i refer to both physically , mentally and spiritually.

I think there is a big difference regarding masturbation and porn, and the only similarity is the sex drive and the use of imagination- but I don't see them as similar.  Here's why:
Masturbation is a healthy response to sexual stimulation.  As long as it's done within acceptable cultural standards- (which should be obvious- in private, not around children, etc.) but it's a necessary part of our biology- a drive.
Pornography is an industry that has been created around the need for visual stimulation.  Although the reason for it isn't 'wrong', it gives rise to many things that are problematic- victimization and other things, such as slavery and it just plain gives the wrong impression on what is pleasurable.  Sex that is pleasurable does not look like what porno looks like- the actors are just that- actors.  And sometimes the younger viewers get the wrong impression of what women like, because of what they've seen in pornography.

If this is true then sex must also be unhealthy since the same process happenes except its with another person.

You know this is absurd.  Just because something unhealthy has something in common with something that's healthy doesn't mean it's all unhealthy.  Let me illustrate:
Junk food is unhealthy, hence the name.  There's many reasons for that- too much fat, too much sugar, possibly harmful chemicals.
Both fat and sugar are forms of food (lipids and carbs.)
Fruit is a food, and it has sugar in it, and some fruits have fat in them (like olives, for example).
Following the above reason, we'd have to conclude that since fruit and junk food have many things in common, they must all be unhealthy.
Do you see how wrong this reasoning went?

I think its not unhealthy and its the total opposite i think its healthy ... spiritually i think thaty sex and masturbation help unblock the root charka and develop it. physically sex helps us reproduce, to some extent gives us exercise and feels good and menatally sex helps us explore the other person and ourselves and gain trust etc and masturbation mentally helps us explore ourselves and fantasies.

Exactly.

for millennia, sex has been used in religous practice and rites ...what changed was the rise of christianity in our modern day society and fear of ourselves.

Correct, and for cultural reasons.

I wanna conclude by explaining why i think people think masturbation is bad. as it is pretty obvious why sex is considered bad and thats mainly because of christianity and because of the movement during the 60's and all through the 20th century.

I think masturbation is considered bad firstly because when we do it we try to think of what turns us on and our own fantasies. People are not comfertable with that as most are nt about sex there about power and people dont feel comfertable known that  they find this attractive or that they are beings capable of thinking some bizare stuff . Are simply they just dont wanna feel un moral (if thats a real word)

Plus, being told not to masturbate creates sexual frustration, and sexual frustration can be channeled into making people soldiers, and more aggressive.  Hence, sexual frustration makes people into tools (pun intended).


Cheers.

[Lexy]

I saw Stuart Wilde...I went to one of his retreats. He went on & on about how bad porn was. It was like raping the Goddess. Let's just say its one of the worst things you can do (watch porn)...as for sexual release, its healthy and one of the most grounding activities. Unless you know how to channel energy its better to release it or you could cause sexual repression...and that can turn into something bad just look at the priests.

[Fourthdimension]

Thanks PR, i agree that it just needs to be controlled and its a great tool. However celebacy does not come with spritual development unless of course your a dogmatic christian and so since we all are horny devils sometime in the physical and totally lack self control at times ...well then...god knows how we ll be able to control it better in the astral lol

Hello CFT, long time since we spoke :)Your opinions is always appriciated. hope things are going well?

I agree that pornography is bad because it does advertise unmoral stuff...not sex ...porn does not advertise sex it advertises power and control. which makes the watcher more disrespectful to his lover and gives them the wrong impression as you said. although masturbation in general without the use of porn is just as healthy as sex if not more so.
However as ou said culture plays a big part because the person who is imagining intimate stuff could find himself outside of cultural standards imagining things that are immoral like domination without the others consent or he might find himself ashamed for imagining something acceptable but unaccepted by his culture such as homosexuality which is not accepted by islamic cultures.

I agree it does give people the wrong impression..i dunno if i will be going into too much detail when i say this but in some porno's i have seen men slam themselves into women and i think to myself god that must hurt and there have been times when i just stop and turn it off because somethings are just horrible. I have seen a few people influenced by this when i go to the pub and get chatting with egocentric males who say "i would do her like this" think they are godlike and showing some very rough hip actions....thank god i am not a woman.  In general though porn is nt as bad as you think i mean of course you will get vicitmisation and other weird and horrible stuff and idolisation but you get that with everything in life not just porn and although stuff like sadism looks unsatisfying to some there must be a select audience who like it other wise it would not be catered for

but yeah sometimes i think to myself that the showmanship looks good in porn and sometimes it makes me more adventureous and discuss trying diffrent things with partners but i know that good sex is not as porn advertises and involves alot of passion and trust and knowing alot about your partner and i would never hurt or disrepsect a woman nor do anything without there consent.

I guess it does sound absurd what i wrote but not including porn do you really feel masturbation is any diffrent than sex morally?

How does sexual fustration make us into soliders?

Hey Lexi,

What is sexual repression and who is stuart wilde lol?

thanks for your replies guys

[Lexy]

Stuart Wilde is this UK guy that can walk through walls...meditates for days at a time..wrote a bunch of spiritual books...does a lot of Aya....and sees UFOs a lot. Anyway, to repress sexuality is to deny your sexual feelings, trying to push them aside as if something is wrong with those feelings, turning them into something dark, which then attracts dark twisted fantasies which can be acted upon and cause great harm.

[Fourthdimension]

Thats strange i live in the uk and i have never heard of that guy. where did you hear of him? are you from the uk lexi?

Thank you for telling me what that word meant lexy. I agree sexual repression can cause harm.

[Lexy]

Stuart Wilde was more popular many years ago. I read some of his books. He used to do more gatherings but now he mostly does Aya retreats in South America. He has a website & you can find his books on amazon.

[grzazek]

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[personalreality]

i love stuart wilde, but he's a complete nutter.  i take his teachings with a grain of salt.

[Stookie_]

Our sexual energy is also related to our creativity, they both arise from the same general place. But one comes out of our will (higher astral), the other is instinctual (lower astral). Our will can take us to some nasty places, but can also express the divine. Our instincts can overpower rationality, but we can also take control and channel it properly.

Balance

[Fourthdimension]

Cheers lexi i ll have a look for some of his books.

Grazek Thats good but it would have been easier to give her a magazine about the daily soaps . its another good way to get her to talk. joking What do you mean by telapathic experience?


How is he a complete nutter,PR


Stookie i totally agree about what you just said and its totally true. When i do my root charka it throbs faster than a Dil*do lmao . feels so weird . i guess that means it could be over active lmao done wether that is overactive creativity or they other one haha but is nt it weird how also the root charka is used for grounding and also creativity which in my eyes or totally opposite lol

take care guys

[Jon_88]

Well i dont know about sexual energy and such , but i do know its almost impossible to meditate when your horny. So i guess i kinda agree with you , the hornyness gotta be remedied first. So its beneficial.

[Summerlander]

Sex is a sin! 

[Lexy]

Well i dont know about sexual energy and such , but i do know its almost impossible to meditate when your horny. So i guess i kinda agree with you , the hornyness gotta be remedied first. So its beneficial.

They say meditation is good for sex but sex isn't good for meditation. I forgot who said it, some guru.

[ShaMagus]

Nice and interesting topic! All through my adolesence irepressed my sexuality because i heard somewhere it was wrong. I felt horrible inside for having the desires i had. This made me put on a mask to try and not let people see what was lurking in my darkness. I watched a lot of porn to live out my desires as i thought i was the only one with these desires. I was a part of the hare krishna scene at one point and there sex is sin! I mever bougjt in to their whole philosophy, but some of their dogmas got to me. I also did a n amazonian plant diet for a year, which means no sex, not even think about it!!! After some months it started physically to hurt. I supressed the sexual energy instead of pulling it to other places in my body to use it. I tried to do that, but couldnt. A year later, i got testicular cancer. Hmm, funny coincidence. I think that was the final drop.

After i realized what i had been doing to myself, i started going to places to explore my sexuality, like biodanza, tantric massages and tantric workshops. These places really opened me up to see that i was normal. There was nothing to be ashamed of. That was nothing but a revelation to me. From that point i could really start to channel my sexual energy to any part of my system also i could use it for healing. What i want to illustrate with my story is that, many of us has been suppressed by different dogmas and ideologies given through our ancestry. It takes a certain amount of courage and time to open up and dare to see whats inside. We are all conditioned one way or the other and we need to take a serious look at our beliefs, but we also need to be aware of our blindspots to have our beliefs put to the test.

In my opinion is sexual energy one of the most powerful energies we can work with as it is the lifegiving force. If we have a perpective that its dirty and unclean, this is what we get. It always boils down to our perspective. Now, i have the perspective that sexuality is sacred and our body is sacred. Then a sexual act becomes a sacred act. If im filled up with pornography and have sex, this is what will manifest. Also, i actually dont see any wrong in that anymore either. Its all a journey and we are all learning. Without the bad, you cant experience the good. Yin and yang, light and dark all of that. After i accept my sexuality and embraced my "dirty" stuff ive found so much freedom and not to mention pleasure. Never forget that we are all on a journey of discovery. I pray i will not judge anothers actions and will always keep in mind that we are learning beeings.

Sincerely,
Dr. Ruth