The Astral Pulse

read the book of Ecclesiastes. it was written by King Solomon, attributed with being the "wisest person who ever lived". it's not too long, and it talks exactly about what you are asking. it probably won't give you an answer you like, but the answer it true.

~kakkarot

the bible!? no. no way. I have heard so many... miricle stories of enlightenment in the bible... no.

not that id have a bible, i am jewish.

sorry if that sounded rude. how about telling me what the bible is supposed to say instead of making me ask everyone i know if i can borrow a bible to look up something? im so lazy.

any other thoughts, people? Will any of this matter? please don't tell me what this guy said, or what a book said, tell me what you think.  how and why you truly do or don't believe that we matter...

~*~thanks a bunch~*~

what I understand would take too long to write. but the basis of it is what King Solomon (an israelite) wrote; my understanding just goes a bit beyond that.

and just so you know, that which is called the "old testament" of the bible is completely composed of Jewish texts. after all, christianity is based on the fulfillment of the Law; the Law that was given to the israelites a long long time ago. he who is called Christ merely fulfilled that Law, according to that which is called the "new testament" of the bible.

~kakkarot

I am sorry to say that I dont happen to have a torah with me , either.

come on! i wont get bored reading all you have to say! if i was worried about getting bored, or things being too long, i wouldn't have asked.

if it's about you getting bored, you can shorten it, right?

~*~thanks a bunch~*~

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Originally posted by Spirit_Gurl

my name is Tia. I am 13 4/12.
I dont believe in karma or enlightenment. i believe in reincarnation and God.

I have read throught these forums and found 2 things on the purpose of life. my question is different, however.


okay. how does my life matter? when I die and yaddayaddayadda, will my soul care? it's not because i effect others, because how do they mater? it's not an intertwining tapestry... how does anything matter? we're all gonna die anyway. who, in the long run, will care if i die tomorrow? how does it matter if I'm happy right now?

I'll always have another life to be happy in anyway.

thank you lots for your replies on this. I might get emmotional sometimes, but i try to be as fair as possible, and i will seriously think about each and every one of your beliefs, as long as it has nothing to do with karma because i don't think karma exists.

so please, tell me your thoughts on how our lives matter. how it will matter if we are happy now, when they'll always be another life to be happy in.....
so who cares about this one?

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In my opinion.....A single person does not matter.  Neither would a group of a hundred.  What matters is what you do.  If you do nothing or make no attempts to do anything then what purpose would you have?  And who is to say that if you waste one life you will be given another to try again?  This just may be your last chance.  

What I mean by doing some thing is this.  You must make an impact in some form or another.  If you can go through your whole life and not effect even just one person then you have wasted your time here.  You do not have to effect the entire city, nation, or world, but just one person.  The effect that you have on that person is your choice.  You can decide to have a possitive or negative effect.  It is a matter of what you believe and what goals ae been set.

As far as happyness.  That will come from effecting others.  If you are happy then you know that you are spending your time here well.

when i said that it would take too long to write, i wasn't saying that because i thought it would take too long to read. i really do mean that it would take me a few days to write it, and i don't think that one post would hold it all. and i have a lot of schoolwork (which i really should be getting back to[B)]) to do for the next week.

well, i guess i could do a condensced version: "there is no point to life without God". and that's it.

~kakkarot

Why does your soul care?
Because you ARE your soul. There is no difference.

One lifetime in and of itself is not relevant or important. ONe lifetime as a step in the progression of several lifetimes experienced by th esame soul is as each experience is part of a lesson we must master on our way back to the unity of all. (God perhaps?)

As is obvious one banana split is yummy, ten thousand is living hell. Same goes for lives and lessons neglected. One life may be happy and sweet but the same over and over again gets a bit stale, huh?

Live, experience, learn and find existence beyond your wildest dreams.

2cents & L&L
jouni

My belief is that we should all try to spiritually enhance ourselves as much as we can so that we can teach others to do the same when the time comes. I'm speaking of the year 2012, which most religions believe will be the Apocolypse, or "time of revealing." I believe that during this time the Astral shall fuse with the physical, and a great catastrophe will happen in which everybody will leave their physical vehicles and ascend to the Astral. All the spiritually enlightened ones will come together to form another higher being, possibly a god if there is enough, and we can teach others of our ways and make them all contribute to the one higher being of humanity.

Sorry, that was just a silly theory I thought of.

But whose to say that this life is not the last? You ARE your soul, so your soul would care. There is no difference. If you have a depressing life then you will drift endlessly in the afterlife as a lonely soul, haunting people. If you are happy you will become motivated to find a new life, or thats the way I see it.

My mind just went blank O.o

Bye
-FT

interesting, but like i said i dont believe in enlightenment, which means i dont believe in re connecting with god at the 'end' as a 'reward'.

but if I say... okay.
I effect someone. woopdidoo. how do they matter? because they effected someone? on and on? like a huge tapestry right, we're all interconnected? how does that interconnectedness matter? (interconnectedess?! is that a word!?) [V]

thanks for taking the time to reply...

but your saying that the only reason I exist is to effect others!?
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While I am not suggesting that anyone convert to Buddhism, I do suggest studying it if only to compare with the religion you currently have. While it includes karma, reincarnation, and enlightenment it lacks some of the usual things found in religion: no soul and no God / Creator. Also, Buddha said nothing that anyone says should be taken on faith without being tested and experienced.

Not really on topic but...

4/12 = 1/3

It's all about simplification.

simplification?


how do i expirience how my life matters?

What do you mean by references to how your life matters?

The version I know of to explain simplification is to evaluate what is important and to start letting go of what is not needed anymore.

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Originally posted by Tom

What do you mean by references to how your life matters?

The version I know of to explain simplification is to evaluate what is important and to start letting go of what is not needed anymore.

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uh? references? it's my question! "how does my life matter?"

but how does simplification matter? this isnt helping. it's not how to live a happier life, it not how to find the answer, it's not tell me about different religions, it's "how does my life matter?"

how? who will care if i was happy in this life, when they'll always be another life to be happy in? i even have proof of reincarnation! and don't ask me what it is, i'll tell you when i have time. but in the long run, how will it matter that i tell you my proof? how the freak will i matter when im dead? how will everyone else matter? how will it matter that right now you guys are probably annoyed because of me? how will it matter that yesterday i went over to my friend's house? how will it matter that i die tomorrow, instead of next year, when we all die anyway? how will anything matter at all?
all i'm getting from you guys is that apparently my life as Tia is meaningless.
so what is it?
is it meaningless, or does it matter? and if it matters, how?

We all have to have a reason for living. My guess is that this is what you mean by that your life matters. For some people, their purpose in life is to make money and buy things. That is enough and they are happy. My purpose in life is to seek enlightenment as a Buddhist. If I did not have my religion I would have killed myself a long time ago. Clearly, after saying that you believe in future lives, it would be impossible to be satisfied with sex, food, shelter, clothes, decent health, and the other things that most people are satisfied with. You have also said that you do not believe in enlightenment (in any form?), so that cannot be your goal. Your purpose in life guides simplification, too. If you are wrapped up in several activities which do not contribute to your purpose, you might choose to remove them from your life. It is a popular new age thing to say that because you are alive and human you have enormous potential automatically and that you are loveable and so on. In Buddhism terms, you have the potential to be enlightened and to become a Buddha. A potential is not a purpose. What you need is a reason to live. A goal of some sort. That can provide the meaning you are looking for. It can take a long time to find that purpose, even when you study and meditate in the tradition of your choice. One Taoist text I read a long time ago said that if you live a good life and study and meditate then when you are sixty years old you might find your purpose in life. It is too early for you to give up. Even short term goals strengthen your ability to make decisions and carry out plans. You will need this.

but im not looking for the purpose. i believe i already know the purpose for all of us to be here on earth. i am just trying to figure out how we/I matter.

that's all im asking. how does my happiness matter. does it matter at all.


stop sidetracking the question. PLEASE just tell me if my happiness matters, and if it does, HOW?

besides. WHEN I AM DEAD, HOW WILL IT MATTER THAT I MADE GOOD DESCISIONS AND PLANS!?!?

It is not that I am trying to side-track any question. I honestly do not know what you mean by saying that anything or anyone matters. If you could put it into some sort of context, it would be easier to answer.

getting a good education matters because then you get a good job. a good job matters because you make a lot of money. making alot of money matters because you get to buy stuff. buying stuff matters because it makes you happy. being happy matters because ________.
(fill in the blank)

does that help?

Yes, that helps. It sounds like you are looking for a use for being happy. It is a condition involving more energy, better functioning of your internal organs, better social skills (no one wants to be around someone who is miserable all the time, but happy people have lots of friends), and it makes every goal that is worth accomplishing easier.

People are designed to seek pleasure and to avoid pain. The problem is that in many of the things we do to find pleasure, we cause more pain. Happiness is a good thing because it tends to lead toward better decisions than unhappiness does. There are cycles. You can do things to lead toward bettering your condition or you can fall into a cycle of making them worse. A healthy sense of seeking pleasure leads toward more happiness.

People are designed to seek pleasure and to avoid pain.
people.

The problem is that in many of the things we do to find pleasure, we cause more pain. Happiness is a good thing because it tends to lead toward better decisions than unhappiness does. There are cycles. You can do things to lead toward bettering your condition or you can fall into a cycle of making them worse. A healthy sense of seeking pleasure leads toward more happiness.


how does happiness matter?
I'm not just talking about happiness. im talking about everything. every single thing you can think of. will my soul care that i dyed my hair purple? when i will die my body will rot away. who cares if my hair was purpple. who cares if i was happy? when i die that happiness will be gone. maybe ill be happy in wherever i go, but it will be different. every single thing i did and every person i effected will be in the past. how will it matter then?

ps- when i die it wont matter that my inner organs functioned better. or will it? that's my question.

There will always be some level on which nothing matters. It is unavoidable. None of this is really real. If you are looking for meaning you can find it, but then if you jump up to a higher level that meaning will disappear. Happiness and unhappiness, good versus evil, and every other pair of opposites much be united. We are free to choose, however, which of a pair of opposites we want more of so long as we are not high up enough to see them as a unity.

huh? levels? i told you, i dont believe in karma or enlightenment, or different levels of existence. sorry.

any other people wanna share their opinions?

Not levels of existence. It is more like a microscope. If you start at 10x and switch to 100x you get much more magnification and a diferent perspective. Magnification is easy. Resolution is a different matter, the ability to see separate things as separate. If we are looking at the sky through a telescope at the andromeda galaxy, individual people there will be impossible to see. Their lives matter to them from their perspective, but we over here do not even know they are there.

so? it doesnt mean that they do or don't matter, it's just that we don't know they're there. what does this have to do with anything?

When you ask if something matters, automatically you imply both an observer and something which is observed. If there is no observer then nothing, no matter how great, can possibly matter. If would simply exist.

did i imply that? im sorry, it's my turn to be confused.

WHAT THE FREAK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

perhaps you can explain better? [B)]

Its a case of we all have our own personal meanings for life and some of us dont have any, some agree with others and some disagree with others - if I was to imply the meaning to my and everyones existance was to be happy and that was (hypothetically) correct, to someone who disagrees with that they will still hold the question untill they find an answer to suit themselves.
The question what is life for, can only be answered by oneself.

The reason for happiness is to be happy.

It is possible that I still don't understand what you mean by talking about how something or someone matters. Usually when I hear someone talking and saying that someone or something matters there is an implied (to me). I can talk about the Chinese government suppressing freedom in Tibet, but maybe you would rather talk about how Israel bombs the Palestineans. If so, the Tibetans matter to me but not to you. Saddam Hussein probably doesn't care about either issue, but the idea of his country getting bombed again might matter a good deal to him. From the perspective of aliens living several stars away from us, we aren't even noticeable and so we do not matter. In no case that I know of can I say that someone or something matters with no one to feel it as important.

your right. you don't get it.

will my soul care if im happy?


or are you saying that my life truly is meaningless? might as well go kill myself.

will my soul care if im happy?


or are you saying that my life truly is meaningless? might as well go kill myself. im not really gonna do that, but tell me why i shouldn't. it's not like it MATTERS, apparently.

hesphestus (sp?) what are your opinions?

If all there was to life was the physical plane, i wouldn't bother with it. People who live their lives oblivious to other dimensions etc. are wasting their time IMHO. I hold a firm belief that through astral travel we can find secrets that can answer any questions we hold.
What is the point of living if we're just going to die anyway? Only you can answer that question for yourself, but you can't answer it for anybody else. Just like nobody here can answer it for you.

You believe that you have a soul. Why not ask your soul if you or your happiness matters to it?

Is the expression "fishing for compliments" coming to mind for anyone else here?

Hi Spirit Gurl,
 
 Maybe this isn't what your seeking either, but here's my go at it.  All life matters, the quality of your life matters--not only your happiness but the quality of your happiness.  I can't prove to you anything I say so take it for what it is worth to you.
 Everything matters,every action, every thought,every breath, every moment, everything known & unknown & on every realm. All is an interplay of energies. On a personal level either you raise your energy or you lower it. At any moment your energy vibration is at a certain level which causes you to be are aware of & interact with other energies that vibrate at the same level. All that is, is a part of the  Universal Spirit.  You said you believe in reincarnation but not karma? In my experience the two are inseparably linked & Universal Laws don't care who believes in them--like gravity.
 Sounds like your taking a jaunt down the existential/nihilistic--nothing matters detour. You will see verification of your belief as long as that's all your wanting/willing to see. Experience is the best teacher...  Do you have anything against meditation? Why not try meditation with the intention of if there is an Ultimate reality & a reason for my life--show me. Be sincere,  quiet and wait. In just regular consciousness , if you are open  & ask,  the Universe will reveal all sorts of amazing things to you.

 Tom:  To say Buddhism doesn't believe in God or the Soul can be misleading. They don't believe in one separate Supreme being that orchestrates everything but they believe in many deities & a whole array of Holy Beings aswell as Buddha.
  Not that you were relating it to existentialism but I found this interesting link that discusses it.

"Because Buddhism negates the existence of God and soul, many scholars, among them some Buddhists, mistakenly believe that Buddhism is related to existentialist philosophy. This is incorrect. Buddhism actually contradicts what is implicit in existentialism, and this point is proven if we look closely at three of the most important Buddhist concepts, Karma, Dharma and Nirvana:

  Karma: Buddhism teaches that what we do matters, and that good or skillful actions bring happiness, while bad or unskillful actions bring suffering. Actually, karma means that there is a cause and effect relationship between actions and their effects, so what we are experiencing in our lives is not pure accident, but was in fact initiated by ourselves in the past. Karma is also carried over from one life to the next, so our everyday actions not only have an impact on this lifetime, they are also shaping our future lifetimes.

Dharma: One of the meanings of Dharma is universal law. It is universal in the sense that it applies to all times and in all places. This means that there is an absolute standard of measure for all our actions. Buddhism teaches that in every situation there is a correct or dharmic way of action.

Nirvana: In Buddhism the goal of human existence is to achieve Nirvana, a state of being that is beyond this world. Buddhism points to a transcendental reality that is beyond this world, and the most important project we can have in our lives if to find this state. We can use the world to go beyond the world.

Have Existentialist principles ever been put into practice? The answer is yes, and with devastating consequences. Friedrich Nietzsche was Adolf Hitler's favorite philosopher, and Nietzche's concept of "superman" was one of the ideological pillars of Nazism. More recently, the Cambodian dictator Pol Pot (responsible for the deaths of a millon of his countrymen) was educated in Existentialist philosophy during the 1950's and 60's in France. More information can be found in the biography of Jean-Paul Sartre in the book The Intellectuals by Paul Johnson."
http://www.geocities.com/dharmawood/buddhism_existentialism_pt1.htm
Celeste

Odd. I knew nothing about existentialism. It sounds really depressing. I don't know how anyone could think of it and Buddhism on the same day.

You believe that you have a soul. Why not ask your soul if you or your happiness matters to it?

how? I don't know my spirit guide, and I dont know how to meditate.I haven't lucid dreamed or APed yet.

Is the expression "fishing for compliments" coming to mind for anyone else here?

why? is it coming to mind for you? you don't really even understand my question, so how can you judge me like that? how can you actually think that i'm asking this just for attention? you have no right to just assume that because i repeat myself, i am somehow here to waste your time. if you want me to go, i'll go. i wasn't aware that it was impossible to ask a question without 'fishing for complements'. would you like it better if i just stopped asking questions altogether? i have thanked you guys for your answers, and i did warn you at the beggining that i get emmotional sometimes. but of course, that was all for attention. i would never ask a question simply to get opinions, oh no, i need to get a few complements on the way. i'm not capable of asking a question without getting complemented. i'm just a little brat who spends all her time wasting yours.

i never forced you to answer, you know.  

You believe that you have a soul. Why not ask your soul if you or your happiness matters to it?

how? I don't know my spirit guide, and I dont know how to meditate.I haven't lucid dreamed or APed yet.

Is the expression "fishing for compliments" coming to mind for anyone else here?

why? is it coming to mind for you? you don't really even understand my question, so how can you judge me like that? how can you actually think that i'm asking this just for attention? you have no right to just assume that because i repeat myself, i am somehow here to waste your time. if you want me to go, i'll go. i wasn't aware that it was impossible to ask a question without 'fishing for complements'. would you like it better if i just stopped asking questions altogether? i have thanked you guys for your answers, and i did warn you at the beggining that i get emmotional sometimes. but of course, that was all for attention. i would never ask a question simply to get opinions, oh no, i need to get a few complements on the way. i'm not capable of asking a question without getting complemented. i'm just a little brat who spends all her time wasting yours.

i never forced you to answer, you know.  

The problem here is that you are asking a question that no one can answer for you.  And I know that is not the answer you are looking for.  The value of anything can only be given by you.

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

I can in truth only answer the question for myself.  That being how my happiness matters to my soul, my world if you would.  I know that I effect my surroundings.  I wish to effect it in a positive way, so in that case my happiness matters.  It matters becasue when I am not happy I can see how it effects every thing else in my life, and I don't like it.

You say you know for a fact that reincarnation is real, that it happens.  Do you then know for a fact that you will be coming back?  Well I for one am not so sure, and I am sure that there are many who would like such solid garenties.  In this way too it matters to me, I don't know if I will return.  From what I have been told I have been here as many as 9 times, my time may be running short, so every thing I do matters because I do not know if I'll be back.  And I am certain that it mattered in my other lives as well because even then I didn't know I was coming back.  


No matter how times you ask the question you will never hear the answer you seek.  For every person the answer is different and it is a choice they made on thier own.   You and only you can choose the value of things and thier impact on your soul.

interesting comments, a signature at the bottom of a letter can mean so much. The fact that you can read a letter is one gift taken for granted. Being dyslexic I find so frustrating not being able to read some books, that are interesting subjects for me.  our happiness? Begins from the time we enter this earth our happiness depends on our parents. Unfortunately if we are in a, unhappy environment in childhood. we may be used to thinking negativity all the time which puts a damper on our happiness.
I guess most of us are  frightened To Die but you must be an open-minded on all things for example. There seems to be some proof of ghost. out-of-body experience. mediums talking to love one's past. Etc. surely you must take all these things into consideration (Dictated by Viavoice)

Hi Tia,

You are getting so many different and confusing answers because the questions you ask really do have different meanings for different people. What the meanings are to someone depend entirely on what their beliefs are.

I'm not going to give you my answers to those question, as like the other answers given, they might be of no help to you at all. What I will suggest to you though is to have a really good look at what you believe in, because it will be from this belief that you will find the answers you seek and they will actually make sense and mean something to you.

You have stated that you don't believe in karma or enlightenment, but you do believe in reincarnation and God. You have also stated that you will think about the beliefs of others as long as they don't conflict with your own. That's fair enough. The best way to get confused is to start tacking on other beliefs to your own, especially if they clash. I've had this happen myself, from spending many years learning the beliefs of the christian church, then being presented with things that those beliefs could not deal with.

Ok, that's where you should start - take what you do believe in and work with that. Firstly, make sure that you really do believe in those things, from your heart, and not just because someone told you to believe them. If it helps, write down what you really do believe, as this will help you focus your thoughts.

This might seem like a pointless excercise, but knowing and being comfortable with your belief really is the key to understanding what your soul is, what your purpose or destiny might be, all of that.

One point that you might want to think about - there in no one right answer only. Just as you have your own personality and way of thinking about things, there is an answer that is right for you. God is far more flexible than most religions make him out to be, and he is not going to leave someone out of the picture just because they don't personally agree with the teachings of one particular religion.

Have I helped or just confused you more? I would like to help you find the answers.

My own personal belief considers that yes you are important, you have a purpose or a role to play. Yes you will die one day and then this world will no longer mean anything at that point, but your soul will carry on, and will take with it the memories of Tia - all the love, the sadness, the lessons of life she learned while on this earth. Nothing is lost, nothing is of no importance. It all gets carried on.
As to happiness? well, would you rather go through life enjoying things, or not caring about anything? It doesn't matter wether happiness means anything at the end of it all, but it does make getting there a lot more fun.

James

spirit_gurl, what would you loose if you died?

~kakkarot

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my name is Tia. I am 13 4/12.
I dont believe in karma or enlightenment. i believe in reincarnation and God.

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Dear Tia,

You mentioned you were Jewish. Well in the Jewish *mystical* kaballah (ask your rabbi about this), the equivalent of enlightenment is when one has reached the highest sphere of the Sephirah. In the Hindu tradition, just as in the mystical Jewish tradition, this process is broken down into various stages, with each stage ending in the word Samadhi. Buddhism and Christianism alike have their own versions of this, although in the Christian faith this is not openly talked about and is for the most part concealed/hidden or made "occult" (knowledge guarded in secret).

At the ultimate and final Samadhi, one transcends the Self and merges with God (or the ALL - everything - however one chooses to interpret this concept) thus becoming omnipotent (all powerful), omniscient (all knowing), omnipresent (being everywhere at once). The path one must trek to be successful in such a venture, is one that takes many lifetimes, and is a reality, (whether you are conscious of it now or not),  the ultimate goal of all spirits - regardless of which faith they belong to.

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okay. how does my life matter? when I die and yaddayaddayadda, will my soul care? it's not because i effect others, because how do they mater? it's not an intertwining tapestry... how does anything matter? we're all gonna die anyway. who, in the long run, will care if i die tomorrow? how does it matter if I'm happy right now?

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The questions you raise have been asked for millenia by countless humans. The answers are unfortunately not exactly simple and I will not pretend to be able to know them myself. Further, the complete answers to such basic but crucial questions aren't always conveyable in language form. Many great philisophers, spiritual men, and intellectuals alike have attempted to encompass the meaning of life in an all inclusive description - but to date none has succeeded. You see, the human mind can make sense of many things, but there are aspects of objective reality that can not be confined to intellectual ascertations, they simply transcend the mind and intellect.

This disclaimer aside, I will make my best attempt at an answer. Life does matter to your higher-self - that spiritual, eternal and invisible aspect of Self that at this moment, perhaps unconscious to you, aspires to become one with God (reach enlightenment). Such is the basic drive behind the concept of reincarnation. Life represents opportunity for self-improvement in all possible areas. Self-improvement toward perfection and purity.

All humans strive toward happiness, even the ones we deem as bad or evil; the difference being, such individuals take their pleasure from perverse forms of it, hoping to catch glimpses of satisfaction which they erroneously associate with happiness. Happiness as we have come to know it is certainly not a permanent thing. This is in part because the roots of such happiness are derived from things which are temporal (non-permanent) in life; such as personal achievements which took place at a specific time in your life, materialistic acquisitions, instances of giving and receiving etc. My point being that physically incarnated humans are incapable of permanent happiness and this is why, as you will find out in your life, all of us suffer in some form or another. You may have heard before the popular saying "I'm human, I am not perfect". However; if we worked towards perfection (as is GOD - the one thing that is permanent and eternal), then we could achieve endless happiness because we would transcend the Self.

Onto the second question... Others matter because others whom are more spiritually evolved than you may aid you in your life, and those whom are not as spiritually evolved will also aid you in recognizing and appreciating how far you've come in this life-time. Furthermore, humans are influenced and shaped mentally and spiritually by the environment they live in and the experiences they pass through. Others on this Earth play a big role in these two things. This question could lead to me writting a great number of paragraphs, and identifying further reasons, but these surface level ones should suffice for now.

Next one... Yes we are all going to lose our physical shells (die), but rest assured our spiritual counterparts are eternal - such is the truth and lesson behind all major world religions. Surely 6 billion people can't all be mistaken eh ? [;)] What survives physical death is our spiritual self. The only thing you can take away with you when you physically die is the positive and negative karma you've accumulated as well as any spiritual progress or degredation that you've made. Possession, knowledge, intellect, likes and dislikes, etc shall all die with your physical shell.

Part 4 (who will care if I die?)... Well on a basic level, surely all those that love you, like your family and friends will care a whole lot as will most anyone whom you've deeply touched throughout your life thus far. But from a spiritual perspective, dying or living can not be quantified by caring. That is a human made word trying to quantify a characteristic experienced by other humans.  From the perspective of higher spiritual spheres which lay beyond limited human understanding (mine included at this point in time), caring is simply not part of the equation. Before humanity every existed, concepts such as caring (and even happiness for that matter), did not exist. Such ideas, are our attempts at giving meaning to what we sense throughout our lives, but those are subjective experiences and do not represent reality as it objectively is. To get back on subject... A cycle of life consists of basically: You are born, your previous lifetime karma will determine your new life circumstances, during your new life you will take actions which shall accumulate more positive or negative karma, you will die. Your higher-self will reflect upon the life you've just lived for and indermined period of time, and then you shall be reborn. This endless cycle is only broken when you reach the ultimate form of enlightenment and transcend the Self. Such achievement however shall have as a pre-requisite that your karmic 'account' so to speak, reaches a state of absolute equilibrium... being neither positive nor negative as it was before your spirit ever existed.

Part 5 (what does it matter if I am happy right now?). It won't to most human beings on this Earth, but it surely matters to you if you dig down deep enough. As I've said before, *ALL* humans conciously or unconciously strive toward a state of pleasure or happiness - such is the reasoning behind our every desires which are motive for our actions - be these instinctual or intentional in nature.

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I'll always have another life to be happy in anyway.

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Perhaps, that shall be dependant on your karma accumulation up to that point as well as the 'work' you do toward reaching states of happiness in that lifetime.

Lastly, the concept of karma, or the Universal Laws underlining the existance of karma surely care not if you believe in them or not - they  simply are a fact of life as is the invisible air you breathe.
Before humans had even a choice in believing or not in gravity, it already existed. In our current existance, it is not up to us to determine or choose what the various aspects of the ultimate and all encompassing reality consist of, such matters have already been predetermined for us all. [:)]

I hope my efforts have (pardon the pun) enlightened you a little more,
Take good care Tia,
Adept_of_Light

thanks for replying, but, I don't believe in karma, or enlightenment, so.... just because im jewish by birth doesnt mean i somehow have to have the same beliefs. just because you tell me that they karma is still there wether i believe it or not; it doesnt mean i believe it! i simply do not believe in karma or enlighenment, no matter how much you say that they exist, i just can't believe that. you even quoted me saying that as the first few things i ever said on this entire site, "I do not believe in karma or enlightenment". and yet you ignored that. i appreciate it that you cared enough to reply, but im sorry to say that i still dont believe in karma.

kakkarot, I assume you have some weird reason for asking that, so il tell you. i guess i would lose everything physical. so? i could always be physical again someday, if i wanted to.

Dear Tia,
It was not my intent to convert your beliefs, only to offer some explanation as to why others might believe in what you do not. In my answer I tried to explain that the two things you believe in (God and reincarnation) are closely intertwined with the two things you do not believe in (karma and enlightenment), and with that as a base, attempt to answer some of your other questions.

I must say for a 13 year old girl, you raise some very good questions, but even at my age (27) having put a few years of study in these areas, I will fully admit that I have no absolute clarity in regard to all these topics myself. I can only comprehend so deep in each one, eventually I reach a point where the complete answers to my questions are not found in any books or in the words of wiser men than I. Some things just are the way they are and answers are not found in words, but in direct spiritual experience.

You may find it an interesting fact that in the Jewish tradition the study of the mystical Kaballah (the area of Jewish study which is focused on such deep questions) is usually only undertaken by those of 40 years of age or older. Until that day, continue to ask many questions, and search for your own answers. Do not believe what anyone else says to you at face value, do your own research, walk your own path and surely you will come to your own conclusions :-)

Take care Tia,
Adept_of_Light

Hello Tia,
I have no desire to change your beliefs. I didn't "ignore" anything you said. You asked. I, answered. I didn't take your comment to mean that if I had a different view point then you about karma, etc..that I was unwelcome to reply.
Happy Trails, Celeste

oh, did i say that? quote me on it, wherever you found it. i wasn't aware that i had said it. please, do show me.

Hi again Tia,

Thats a really good point that you brought up in your second last post -

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just because im jewish by birth doesnt mean i somehow have to have the same beliefs.

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This was something I was thinking of asking, but thought my post was long enough already.

There are those who are born into a Jewish family, just as there are those who are born into a muslim or christian family. This means that they are aware of all the practices and traditions, but doesn't mean that they have chosen to follow that faith.

I'm glad you said this, because it might help some to get off the jewish/religious aspect and look more at the general spiritual belief aspect. Would it help if you were to expand a little on your beliefs, or do you think you've put it clearly enough? as I sort of put it before, knowing what your beliefs actually are goes along way to understanding more.

James

Spirit_Gurl, you are looking for an answer that only a person with your exact own beliefs can answer and yourself. If I believe we go to Nirvana when we die and I believe the Gods from Greek mythology created the universe and the reason for happiness is so we can enter Nirvana and worship these Gods that answer wont sit well with you because its not what you believe.
Your question cannot be answered FOR you, but can only be answered BY you.
People here have Astral Projected, before I Astral Projected myself I thought so called Astral Projectors was a bunch of loonies talking rubbish (pardon my foreign language [;)]). Nothing would have persuaded me otherwise until I found out for myself it was real and then suddenly I became one of the loonies so to speak [;)].
(No offence to anyone by the way). [:)][|)]

What im saying is quite clear im sure, the question cannot be answered for you but by you and until you do this thread can possibly go on forever.

what will you gain if you live?

~kakkarot

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sure, but what do you want me to expand on? if you give me a topic it'll be easier for me to answer, and i will be able to beter try to not get off track and write 3 pages. im sure you dont want to read 3 pages. [8)]

Go ahead and write three pages and post it in the downloads section e-books along with how you want responses: e-mail, private message, file uploads, etc. Long posts have their places. You are right that a thread is not the place. Please be complete and detailed.

huh? just tell me what to write about. that way, no one will think i'm begging for attention. [TOM]

That was "fishing for compliments" and specifically on how important you are and how important your happiness is.

Whatever you were trying to use this thread for, that is what you could choose to write about. Emphasize the points which did not seem to be understood and the things that you want answered.

first of all, i was talking about how everyone else matters too. but since i was the one asking the question.


let's see..... what exactly was misunderstood?

It sounds like you have already started to identify things to write about in those three or more pages. It was about how anything and anyone matters. You believe in God so maybe you mean how do things matter to God? What I started by asking is what it means to you that something or someone matters. This is not as simple or obvious as it sounds.

How your life matters- This is something you have to discover through reflecting on experiences on your own.  Everyone has there own opinions so there's no one answer to this question everyone will agree on.

"okay. how does my life matter? when I die and yaddayaddayadda, will my soul care? it's not because i effect others, because how do they mater? it's not an intertwining tapestry... how does anything matter? we're all gonna die anyway. who, in the long run, will care if i die tomorrow? how does it matter if I'm happy right now?" ~Tia

If you believe in God, i think your answer lies with him.  Pray to God in search of your answer.  Remember, you are only 13 and things may seem hazy but as you age and come to understand life it will clear up for you.

You must sort that out for yourself, but take this into consideration:

• You have an infinite space, with infinite time ,which is just another dimension - that means that universe is static.
  
• There is an universal consciosness (god, if you want) not 'taking place' anywhere in the infinity, but able to perceive it.
• We are separated parts of the consciousness, which is perceiving the infinity as whole(its all knowing).
• It is possible, that the infinity/universe was created by the consciousness or that it is only a complex thought of it.
  

From this point of view nothing has a higher purpose - you are just PERCEIVING a part of the infinity ( YOU ARE ) and you cannot stop it.

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Karma- perhaps some system of organization of the universal consciousness.

Enlightenment- greater level of infinity-perceiving

Soul- part of the u.consciousness ( all living things in the universe have a soul)

P.S. Don't think about this as absolute truth.

Spirit_Gurl,

To answer your first question in the first page, I recommend
http://thefreedomofchoice.com/
Download the free e-book.
I hope you can find your answers.

Spirit_Gurl,

I can see that you are an intelligent girl asking intelligent questions. I am impressed by your age. Anyway, your answers to your questions can be found in the link above.
Good luck for your quest and NEVER stop asking intelligent questions.

hello Spirit Gurl,

happiness? Have you found the essence of yourself, what is at the core of yourself, what drives you, what makes you run and do things, what is the reason at the centre of yourself???  When you find it you will know, the door will open and you'll know why and find the happiness that you seek with all it's pain and joy.

How do you get there, only you can find the way by living life and experiencing it to the full extent of yourself without being foolhardy and by being curious with a need to want to know.

Why are you concerned about what others will think, if they will remember?  Those who will remember will be those who have experience of yourself, who you were, what you did when you have left.

Will it matter?  Who knows in the scheme of things, we are after all in reality no-bodies and no one of importance when it comes down to it all in the vastness, yet at the same time we are a link between one and another and help keep the vast web together.

The road is either long or short, and only you can find it[;)]

Love and Light
Voltarrens

(rolls eyes) BIG help. the dumb book won't download... [B)]

Hello Tia
I would like to say thank you to all the people who have replyed to your post, interesting and helpful [:)].
Tia I asked myself simular questions along time ago ,like whats the point of life and who really cares if I die. The answers I came up with might not help you or anyone that reads my post as they were my own answers for my own life. Tia close your eyes, what is there in the darkness....your thoughts, a connection to your physical body. Ask yourself why open my  eyes again ..ever. Is this like death until I come back as someone else?
What matters is you want to open your eyes to experience this life, your body demands attention your mind questions and seachers for answers  your spirit is  compaled to interact now not later! or keep them closed if you can and deny everything that matters to you. I hope this is helpful, it has helped me to understand some undeniable truths to why I am.You did ask for our opinions but your opinion matters mostly to you, we can only take an interest in your journey, and I think by all the replys you should be grateful of this fact.
Good luck in finding the answers.[;)]
Paul

Follow the link
http://thefreedomofchoice.com/e-book.pdf

okay. I read it. I read it two times. I do not agree with hardly anything he is saying. he makes our souls and he makes god seem like emotionless personality-less mathematical equations, and he makes his so called purpose sound like he is right above all else, and i dont believe what he is saying. i know someone is gonna start yelling at me, so just stop wasting your time. ive given you enuff trouble. if your next post is to lecture me orpatronize me or queston me, please just dont bother.

Nope, not going to yell, lecture or patronize you. For the most part I agree with you. I haven't read through all of it, I couldn't bring myself to. He annoyed me too much! You did well to read through it twice!!

By virtue of my career, education & training I tend to be very analytical, but some things - LIVING things, cannot be looked at this way. I believe our soul, and the one creator of all to be living sentient things, with thoughts, feelings, the lot.

I think I will take it as my freedom of choice to take on board select little bits of what the good doctor is preaching, and throw the rest away.

James.

why is everyone coddling spirit girl so much.  I understand shes young and you're all trying to help but at that age id be more insulted at the patronizing.  Youre so smart for your age I agree .. etc.. etc..

What is amazing to me is everyone keeps answering her even though she doesnt appreciate one single reply and even insults for not giving the right one.

I happened to like the freedom of choice book.  But i think its hard to get into if you have strong beliefs already on these things.

But im so proud of you spirit gurl for reading it youre doing good.. etc..

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Spirit_Gurl  said , "  he makes our souls and he makes god seem like emotionless personality-less mathematical equations"
Oh dear, Spirit_Gurl has missed the 'diamond' of the book. An obvious statement that Spirit_Gurl doesn't even try to understand what is written. I wonder what are the hidden motives of Spirit_Gurl. Anyway, you have zillion of years to understand. Truth will be truth and withstand ages criticism. Lies and deceit only provides constrast for the truth for those who has evolved enough. But for the unintelligent, truth, lies and deceit are just the same. [:(]

Spirit Gurl:

Keep asking the questions, and make your own mind up based upon the answers you receive - but always maintain an open mind and be willing to shift your position based upon the latest information.

The Freedom of Choice book is excellent as people have already said. I also strongly recommend the book I have just uploaded to the file library:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/file_library.asp?showmethefile=34&thatcat=14&thiscat=E%2DBooks

Which is a truly exceptional work, and almost completely in accord with the ancient age old truths, realities and wisdom as taught by the great Masters over the Millenia including Master Jesus (Joshua), notwithstanding the fact that in the case of Jesus his message was distorted by the bible over the centuries so as to make it largely unrecognisable.

Regarding "God" - God is beyond petty human emotions and ego. God is not a person, but rather is "everything"  - "The All".  God is the essence of the most powerful force in the Universe - Unconditional Love. But Unconditional Love is not the sentimental love of humans, but a much more powerful, higher vibration encompassing everything that "is", and which keeps the entire Universe together and unfolding naturally. By Universe I mean in all spheres - physical, Astral and Mental realms.

Keep asking the questions and do not be discouraged by the answers you get - the truth is out there, and you on on the path to find it.

With best regards,

Adrian.

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why is everyone coddling spirit girl so much
dont yell at ME, i didnt ask to be 'coddled'.

What is amazing to me is everyone keeps answering her even though she doesnt appreciate one single reply and even insults for not giving the right one.
uh huh. and tell me, are you sure I have never apologised or said thank you? thank you so much for pointing out the fact that I happen to actually care what I believe in, and please, do quote me on any insults that i haven't apologised profusely for, and I will apologise to whoever they were directed at. or maybe you could let people treat me the way they want to, and ill let you insult me or lecture me or whatever the heck your trying to do. Im sure that if you were worried about your meaningless life, you wouldnt be thinking about being polite every single moment? 'how does it matter if im polite? we'll all die anyway!' thats basically how i felt at that time. i apologised for it, i think i even warned you about it, and basically thats all i can do, since basically my life is meaningless anyway. its not my fault if i dont buy into other's beliefs, but i just tell people why. if someone told me that they didnt believe what i did, id kinda want to know why. and if not, i just wouldn't listen. I have said that I appreciate these responses, I have said thanks, but if all you see is my 'not appreciating one single reply' then seeing my thank yous, then i cant help that.

But im so proud of you spirit gurl for reading it youre doing good..
why, thank you! and Im proud of you for looking at my situation here and trying to understand! oh, and I also thank you for realizing that i only posted all this to get sympathy! I was wondering when someone would notice that i was making all the problems in my life bigger than they are! thank you for noticing that i have never once said thank you! thank you for telling me everything i needed to hear! I think I'll go somewhere else where I can have mood swings and not be yelled at for having them. that's what you want, goingslow and mj-12, isn't it? oh yes, I forgot, you two are always polite.... I forgot.

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thank you lots for your replies on this. I might get emmotional sometimes, but i try to be as fair as possible, and i will seriously think about each and every one of your beliefs, as long as it has nothing to do with karma because i don't think karma exists.

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sorry if that sounded rude.




~*~thanks a bunch~*~

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thanks for taking the time to reply...

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thanks for replying

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as you can see.....

I havened altered those quotes, except the first one where i underlined what was the most important part. I know, i know, youll probably quote me on everything 'insulting' i said too, but at least you can't say i never apologised or showed gratitude.

I actually appreciate your response and the honesty in it (not coddling there or patronizing).  What I was refering to more was the times you did get upset and people would answer "you're so smart spirit girl for your age you are asking wonderful questions".  I didnt get why they were doing that type of coddling.  

I think you have the right to be "bratty" or get upset and rude.  But if you see what I started the paragraph by saying I didnt get why people coddled you so much.  To me its condescending.. It might also be because of the work I do where I tell a person even a kid they are annoying me instead of smiling and being so "you're so good.. look at you".  

No I wont put your posts up there that really wasn't my point in the first place.  I have to admit I like when people here act more human instead of so "above it all" and smiling and nodding even after they're insulted.  But maybe thats what being enlightened does to you.. A person smiles and nods etc..

take care.

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But maybe thats what being enlightened does to you.. A person smiles and nods etc..

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Now I understand it!!!!!

Enlightenment = stoned out of your skull!!

Mmmmmmm....Enlightenment

[:)]
James.

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But maybe thats what being enlightened does to you.. A person smiles and nods etc..

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Now I understand it!!!!!

Enlightenment = stoned out of your skull!!

Mmmmmmm....Enlightenment

[:)]
James.

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I should have added something about munchies too.

lol..

*smile* *nod* *cram face full of snacks* ... *puff again*

Munchies gets as BIG smile & nod!!!

Enlightenment Option 2:

Journey to the Himalayas, sit on some mountain top with a tibetan monk. Wait for the oxygen deprivation to hit the brain....
Smile & nod. Not a clue what the bugger is saying to you coz your seeing purple Yaks with butterfly wings floating past.

aJsme.

Oops...sorry Spirit_gurl.
Going off the topic a bit here, but *long drag & hold it in for a bit* thats cool, no worries.

[:)]
James.

Ok, here goes nothing.....

I was born. My parents hated each other, had physical fights in front of us allllll the time...(watched my Mom try and choke my Dad one day..that was fun) did I mention my Mother was a raging Alcholic?
Finally one day Mom decided that my Dad's best friend would make a good husband.  Of course she had nooo idea he would want to touch and fondle her youngest daughter.  Oh, did I mention the Step-Dad was also a great drinker and decided to strip down to his underware and run up the neighborhood street for all to see? Lets see, that night ended with him having convulsions on the living room floor due to Alcohol posioning..pretty harsh stuff for a SEVEN year old to see.
What happened to my real Dad you ask?  Well he decided to marry some lady whom I never met until I came over one weekend to visit and he made the announcement..."oh, by the way, this is your new Mom" That was the only day she was "nice".. At the age of eight and a half I was cooking and cleaning..Real Dad was a truck driver, and in those days they were gone for DAYS.....I was continually woke up in the middle of the night to clean up after the dog, but instead of cleaning the one spot, I had to shampoo the whole carpet..Can't remember how many times I was woke up laying on the heater vent cause I was cold during the night...And I can't recall how many times she locked me out of the house and I couldn't get in after coming home from school, even after the time I got my butt kicked by some chick 5yrs older than me..there I was, bleeding and banging on the door...(I found out years later by my sister that she wouldn't let anyone open the door, to let me in)
I could go on and on....and I think I will, cause Spirit-gurl has...
OH..Oh..oh...oh.. did I mention the same step mother KILLED herself in MY bedroom?...yep..she left a note and everything, saying she hated me and all was my fault...(of course my father did not show me the letter at the age of 9, he waited a couple of years) Coodoes for him!! (If you can't tell I have now gone into Sarcastic mode.)

Fast forward 6yrs only to save your and my time.

Age 15.  Still fighting off the Step-Father grab sessions..Not to mention, taking care of my drunk as hell mother and going to school at the same time...When I say taking care of my drunk mother, I mean making sure she doesn't fall down the stairs or out of bed, or off the toilet for that matter...Here's a hint..Alcoholics don't just drink for one day...she was out for days.  I couldn't bring friends over and especially BOYFRIENDS, cause she would sleep with them..you got it...sleep with them..found that out later too, guess they had to get it some where, cause they weren't getting it from me.!

Fast foward to age 18 once again to save time.

Thought...ok, will marry to get out of bad family..oops..bad idea...indured ANOTHER 10yrs of hell.....just a different hell.
physical at first, then mental..my God, I have no idea which was worse.. Infact that is how I got into AP..I had to find a escape, and that was my answer.

FINALLY..

Prayed to God and said...I know I am stuck in this terrible marriage, and I will endure it, but please give me SOME happiness to be able to go foward with my life...Know what happened? of course you don't..you probable stopped reading this damn post 5min ago, but I met the man of my dreams..my Knight In Shining White Armor.. We now have been together for going on eight years.!! And he has done nothing but tell me how wonderful I am.  For Twenty-Eight years I had nothing but despair..Now, nothing but good times..

What is the point of this most private post?..Hell, I even forget, but I know I want some of that "coddling" that Spirit-gurl is getting..
Ok, no I don't..I want Spirit-gurl to realize that her "life" can't be that bad.. and PLEASE start living, and stop wondering all the time...Stop being soooo negative. Take people's advice (that was asked for) and take it how you will, but geez...stop being so rude when they post the wrong answers...
I have several post, but I don't get half the response's you do...hint of jealousy? perhaps.
As I said in another post to you...Go into acting, you will make a killing!

Well, I am shaking a little right now, But DAMN-IT, Life is GOOD!!
And who the hell am I to question what goes on in it..Just go with it.
[8D] Nay.

Geezzzz...no sarcastic remark?...Now I am hurt.

I guess deep down I do want to be coddled..[8)]

[;)] Nay.

Hello all. Very interesting.

After looking through this thread i wonder if a little ego work is appropriate. Do not take that statement as a slam to anyone. When trying to understand the "whole picture" our own egos try and block us. It is a bit deflating and scary to think that we ARE responsible for our actions, and effect others by our choices. Try (even though you admitted you are lazy) to read "The power of Now" (E. Tolle). You have quite a while to sort through things, and are asking great questions for your age.

Spirit_Gurl: look how simple decisions on your part have a ripple effect with everything. A small choice can have major impacts. If you are truly happy then your choices will tend to be positive, typically with positve outcomes for you and others. My personal advice would be to not believe or disbelieve anything you cannot prove either way. Read Robert's catch basket concept and apply as it fits your own quest for answers.

Best to you.

Hi Spirit Gurl

    I can tell you where your answer lies.  I don't mean to sound like the Matrix or anything, but you need to go to the Source.  The questions you are asking can be answered but can be better answered if you first answer these questions?

    Where did God come from?

    Why did God choose to create us?

    Did God create other types of entities besides us?

    Where are these entities homes, and are some created in a        
    permanent type home while others may have two or more homes  
    because of the transitional aspect of their created nature?

    Let's make this a discussion forum for these questions, and to find the answers that you and all of us are looking for.  Let's address the four questions above one by one.

Question No. 1:     God's existence I believe only has two possibilities.  He exists because he is pure love in his nature, and only pure love can defy logic, defy reason, and defy the impossible and come into existence by it's ownself.  The second possibility is that there exists one primary permanent reality from which all other realities that God has created stems from.  God himself exists in the primary permanent reality which is the ultimate true reality where the logical concepts of beginning and end, and start to finish do not exist.  In other words in that reality God has always existed and always will exist.  From that reality God created our reality along with ourselves.  After God created our reality he then also entered into our reality with us.  God created our minds in such a way that we could best interact with and enjoy our reality.  In order to do that he created a reality where there were such things as beginning and endings, and starts and finishes.  He then created our mind where it coincided with that reality, to where with our minds and our reality it only seems and will always seem that everything must have a beginning and end, and a start or finish.  It just seems logical to us.  Each reality has it's own set of what seems logical.  To us a beginning and end is our set.  To God in the primary ultimate reality, the fact that he exists and has always existed and will always exist, is the logic of that reality that only someone in that particular reality can see.  

Question No. 2:  Why did God Choose to create us?  First in my beliefs, I believe in the Christian Trinity.  The Trinity is a family who loves each other very much.  The love that the Trinity had for each other as a family could not be contained within itself, and the love over flowed from the Trinity out of unbelievable abundance.  This led the Universal one true God (The Trinity) to create us, to have offspring, and to share the love it had within itself with all it's offspring.  This also led the Trinity to create the universe and the different worlds in a way where they were structured along the lines of a family.  Families are very important to God, and God is a family within Himself.  So the answer is the Trinity created us to share his love, joy, and happiness with us.  To not have acted, and to not have created would have been a suppression on the natural out pouring of the love within the Trinity. For all we know the Trinity could still be creating worlds and entitys even right now continuing the families of all realities.

Question No. 3:  Did God Create other types of entities besides us?   From my answer from the last question, you know that I believe God has created other types of entities and worlds besides us.  Even people on this forum who have traveled the spiritual realm, have seen communities in that spiritual realm of certain types of entities.  Some have also encountered some of God's offspring in that realm, the Angels.  I believe in the physical realm that there are a number of other planets that are probably inhabited by entities who have some similarity as us, and by entities who look totally different from us in almost all aspects.  The one question that needs to be answered is whether God has created another cosmos separate from this physical cosmos, and in no way connected to this cosmos that we occupy.  Another question is whether the spiritual realm extends all throughout this physical cosmos, and if human beings could travel in the spiritual realm to another inhabited planet and see those physical enities (or aliens) from the spiritual realm through astral projection.  If this is true, then it means we can explore all the planets in this cosmos and identify all physical entities and offspring God has created besides us, before we acquire the complete ability for space travel through technology.  We can possibly explore and locate now, and when our space technology catches up we can then interact possibly with these other enities and offspring, and explore other worlds and other planets in the physical. But while we do this we must always keep in mind the reason that God has created to share his life and love with others.  We must also keep in mind that in some places with some entities that certain entities have used their free wills to try to sabotage and harm others.  If there is anyway to stop some of these entities, and do our part to try to help heal creation some, then we need to figure out ways to try to stop those harmful entities.  But the over all answer to this question is I believe God has created a lot of entities and a lot of offspring both in the physical realm in this cosmos, in possibly other cosmos, and in the spiritual realms of the cosmos's he has created.

Question No. 4:  Where are these entities homes, and are some created in a permanent type home, while others may have two or more homes because of the transitional aspect of their created nature?  This is an important question.  Human beings were created with two homes because of the transitional aspect of their created nature.  They first have their human home on the Earth in the physical realm, then when it comes time for them to pass away, they go to their 2nd home which has already been created and prepared for them by God.  It is the place in the spiritual realm where human offspring go.  This place is not the same place as the home for other entities and offspring created by God.  The Angels were created in a permanent home because there was not a transitional aspect of their created nature.  God created a home and place for his offspring,the Angels in the Spiritual realm.  There are probably a lot of other spiritual offspring besides the Angels that God has created.  These to had a place created for them by God where they live in the spiritual realm.  It's possible that humans sometimes while astral projecting have traveled through some of these entities worlds and homes in the spiritual realm.  Now it is possible even though each entity and offspring created by God has it's own particular home it lives in or that it eventually goes to (if he/she was created with a transitional nature), that sometimes some of the entities or offspring may be allowed to briefly pass through another entity or offsprings world, environment, or home.  For example the Angels sometimes pass through the environment and homes of the human beings in the spiritual realm, once those human beings have passed away and entered their new home in the spiritual realm.  In summary God has made a home for all his entities and offspring, whether in this cosmos or the next.

    Now Spirit Gurl to get back to your questions.  To find your answers we must turn to the Source.

Questions of Spirit Gurl and many others!

1.  How does my life matter? You'll find that answer by finding out your origin and why you exist.  You'll also find that answer by finding out why you matter to the Trinity that created you.  I think you now know the answers to these questions.

2.  Will my soul care when I die?I believe the answer to that question is up to you.  I believe our soul is part of us, and we cannot exist without it, and it cannot exist without us.  It's part of our being.  Your soul is part of you and will care if you care, and not care if you don't care.

3.  How does anything matter? To answer that question one must find where all things come from.  Then one must find out why some things may or may not matter to God more so than others.  If certain things matter to God, then an entity created by God must decide whether those things that matter to God matter to him or not.  Free choice and free will that was given us by God.  God loves us so much He will never violated our own free choices and our free will.  

4.  Who will care if I die tommorrow?The answer is probably most the same people you would care about if they died tomorrow.

5.  How does it matter if I'm happy right now?The only people it probably does matter to is yourself and the Trinity, and certain loved ones and friends.

6.  How do our lives matter?  Our lives matter to God (Trinity), and others we care about and who care about us.

7.  Why does it matter to be happy now, as there is always another life to be happy in?  First If I believe in re-incarnation it is in a very limited and rare sense.  But even saying that re-incarnation happens, and is happening to some human beings, lets see where the scenario of your question would lead.  If a person maintained the stance and attitude that you have mentioned in every life then they would never be happy.  A person has to start to be happy somewhere, they might as well start now in this life.  If they presently are unable to start now in this life because of some un-wanted situations they have run into that has caused them some difficulty, then they need to work on their mind, and learning about the mind.  They need to learn skills they can use with their mind to help them see past their problems, to be able to understand their problems, and put them into a perspective where those things or unpleasant experiences of the past can in no way hold them back.  It can be done.  There are many books out there written by intelligent and caring people about how to not let your mind control you, but you control your mind.  They have also written books on how to not let people get to you, and to just brush things off and keep going.  No matter what has happened you can with seeking and understanding gain your happiness back.  Seek (research)and you shall find.  

    Spirit Gurl, I hoped the reply I have written has helped. The human race is moving into a new technological age, and our Creator is going to be right there with us hoping we move in the right directions. However, there are some entites that have been created by him that have used their free wills for evil desires, and are seeking to harm others and harm creation.  God, I believe, is hoping we figure out a number of different ways to stop these harmful entities.  There are a number of laws that work in our reality.  We have managed by these laws to build efficient cars, spacecraft, and high tech. devices.  I hope one day we will figure out a way to completely stop these negative entities out there, and possibly find a way to imprison them, so they can no longer harm others or creation.  

    In Summary the Trinity created all of us.  In some worlds and some cosmos some things have gone wrong.  We as God's offspring as we keep our minds open and learn more, must do our part to try to help fix some of the things that have gone wrong.  We can do this why also enjoying the beautiful things in the world that God has created, and while also enjoying life and our friends.
 

i'm just being a picky little butt, but.. you never answered where god came from, just that time doesn't apply to him. whether he has a start or finish is not where he came from or why he is here.

changed a little when edited, huh?

if there is a god, wherever he came from, he surely isn't alone.

an interesting thought.. what would there be if nothing existed here? if there was never any life forms in these lower dimensions, if physical matter never existed, if no matter existed at all, what would there be? just an empty consciousness that has nothing to sense, or would there even be that much? at some point, somewhere, there was nothing here in the lower dimensions.. there had to be something for it all to start from. this is what some people need to try to figure out.. it's way over my head. it doesn't even make sense to me as to why there isn't nothingness. something would have to create itself from nothing.. and that just isn't right. you can say that thats god, but god would have to come from something. its weird..

It's true that God isn't alone Clover.  He exists as the Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.  At least that is what I believe.  If you read Question No. 1 again about the existence of God, I believe I can answer your other question.  I believe there is two possibilities and two possible answeres for His existence.  There could be another that could possibly make some sense.  
    You mentioned what existed in our space before God created Earth and the Cosmos.  I don't believe anything existed accept for the prime, ultimate reality God.  God then created another reality in which He then created our entire Cosmos where nothing existed before.  Also before something can really have an existence their must be a consciousness of some type there to acknowledge that some type of matter even exists.  What good is it for matter to exist somewhere if there is no consciousness anywhere that is aware of it.  It may be existing, but it doesn't know about it and neither does anyone else.  I feel it's only relevant for any matter to exist, if there is a consciousness somewhere that is aware of it's existence.

    Just something else for you to think about as you look for answers.

ah.. i worded that poorly. what i was wondering was where things started from. think of the matrix and the loading program, and how it's just there. nothing happens until something is loaded onto it. the same must have been true for the whole universe and all the dimensions. it wouldn't make any sense for something to have been around forever, going back into time infinitely. there would have to be something to spawn it, yet there couldn't be anything, or things would already exist. i cant really convey my question that easily because i suck with words. i guess i'm asking about the origin of 'time' (how we think of time, when all things began), only for all dimensions, including ones without time. does that make any sense?

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Why did God choose to create us?

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I found your answers interesting neg removal5. But on this question, i think that the problem may be a bit more complex (and i'm speaking here for every religions).
Indeed, if God is perfect, we can logically think that He is in an eternal (not in a temporal way) felicity, and therefore that He doesn't need in any way to create us all (and the universe), as we aren't necessary for Him. In that way, saying that God created us would ask the question of the His perfection, as He would need us to share His love and therefore be completely happy. But if He can't without us, that would mean that he isn't perfect, and thus that He isn't God.
On the other hand, if God created us, as he is perfect, only something perfect can come out of a perfect thing (it's logical), therefore we shall be perfect too, which obviously isn't the case. Therefore God wouldn't be perfect one more time ... (!)

For the other question of where God came from, it's very difficult to answer if He knows it Himself. Because if He knows when He appears, then what made Him appear ?, and if He doesn't, well He isn't anymore omniscient, and can't be God.

For Spirit Gurl, i think that all those questions are totally normal at your age, you become aware of yourself and want to know if there is a purpose for life. I have myself searched many years at your age to find it. I advise you to read a lot, religion but also and principally philosophical books, as many authors discuss this in many different ways, so you should find what you're looking for.

I personnally think that life has a goal : to make you happy, and to allow you to evolve spiritually. That is the only aim one should have. Don't think of others (but don't be egoistic, just don't care of the others' opinions etc), live YOUR life as you want to, and if you are happy, then it's the good choice. There isn't A way  but multiple ones, so just do as you feel. And never forget that your life is the only good that has value, it's everything you should care about, as without it you can't find your way to evolve and find your Truth.

Bye.

I see your points Kalonek

  What makes it difficult to find certain answers sometimes is because it's possible for some of these complex terms to be given different definitions without anyone really knowing which definition is correct.

For example the definition of the word "perfect".  One definition of the word in relation to us is that "perfect" means having a "free will", and not being created as robots.  This means that a spiritual being who was perfect must have the requirement of having a "free will", and not just be a robot.  But the problem with free will, as that some people can use their free will to choose not to do good, and to try to cause problems with other people.  If they did not have that option they would not be "perfect" as defined in the paramenters of a "being" with a "free will".  It's true they are not in any way perfect in behavior, but they are perfect in the sense of being a being that has a "free will".  

So God did create us as "perfect" spiritual beings with free will.  But such free will has the possibility of misuse of creation by those entities.

God is still perfect and so are his created offspring, but his offsprings actions are not always, by the choice of their own "free wills".

This same problem with the complexity of many definitions for a complex word can also apply to such terms as timelessness, soveignerity, omnipotent, omniscience, etc.  There are a number of options for these terms.  Only God and reality know for sure which of those definitions is correct, all we can do is come up with the different definitions and options, and try to center in on the ones that match most with reality.

Your answer is right, it's all in the terminology we use to explain what we think. What i exposed hereabove was in fact the epicurist philosophy on the theme of  gods. I'm glad you turned the question back :) I think that Truth about all this might be so complex that we can't handle it with our physical brain without getting mad at trying to understand, that's why like in science we use axioms in religion (things that are evident but can't be proven by any kind of method, even reason - ie : god is eternal, which brings up the problem i explained above with the omniscience etc). I think we call this Faith :)
Your definition of perfection is interesting. In any case i personnally believe that each person is a part of God, thus everyone as you say in a different way can act freely and create his own destiny.

holy excrement.

there is nooooo way im reading all 323534 pages of this thread.

spirit gurl, im also jewish [;)]

i think its impossible to know what happens after death. i think its impossible to know who created us, if anyone. i think its pointless to sit and think about it and talk about, because it will get us no where.

there are thousands of beliefs and religions. screw it ALL.

all i know is that we ARE here, TODAY. and as long as we are here, i think we should all do two things:

1: happiness.

we are alive. who knows why? we are. so lets enjoy life. lets be happy. lets all get along. lets have peace and prosperity.

whats the point of being alive if you arent enjoying life? if you dont want to live then why live? therefore, i must conclude that as long as anyone is alive, it is logical to be happy, no matter what.

but what if your name is hitler, and killing 11 million people makes you happy?

which is why i have rule

2a: selflessness.

what if you find some young woman on the street? what if raping her would make you happy? what if it woul dfeel good?

rule #2 of life is that the human race must work TOGETHER, so EVERYONE is happy. we must all make sure that we are all happy.

2b: children

this is called part 2b for a reason. if we are happy and selfless, then of course, we want to make MORE people, so MORE people can experience happiness and good. then THEY can make EVEN MORE, so we have billions of happy selfless people all enjoying life.


so stop wasting your time and LIVE YOUR LIFE.

help others and enjoy helping them.

get older and have kids, so more people can get the chance to be happy.

and have a nice life [:)]

#65279;I'm coming in late to this party so I'll start with the beginning and hope I can contribute something worthwhile.

How does a life matter (yours or anyone else's)?

Bottom line, as far as the individual is concerned, this life doesn't matter at all. However, your impact on other lives can matter a great deal to them. If you regularly put out food for a wild animal, and that animal comes to depend on you for its survival, then you stop, for whatever reason. Your life mattered very much to that animal, who may die for lack of your presence. Do you have a relative who thinks you are the greatest thing since peanut butter? Should you die you
would leave a permanent void in that relative's life. You matter to them.

Will your soul care if you die?

Here's where you're taking a left turn off the track. You ARE your soul. The physical body we inhabit is part of us. The other part is energy/electricity. This isn't metaphysics, just biology and physics. Two of the basic laws of physics are "Conservation of Energy" and "Conservation of Matter". They state that energy and matter can never be destroyed, but only changed in form. If you haven't run into them yet in school, you will.

When your physical part dies, it becomes part of the physical world. Eventually your body will be distributed throughout our world, part air, part earth, part water. Your energy part becomes -- something else. I don't know how that energy part will see things, or even if it will be aware at all. Maybe when you die your energy part will go into a melting pot of energy and become part of a tree's energy, or a horse's, or a mountain's.

But also, maybe, there really is such a thing as "karma" and "God". In that event, given that nearly all religions have a basic premise that you should do good in this world, then every good thing you have done in your physical body will matter to that Being. Your refusal to think about this aspect won't make it go away.

By the way, welcome to the world of mystery -- good hunting!

i've only read the first, original post in the thread.


 all of the things that we do, all of the different ways that we interact with other people...  every time we say "hello" and every time we stand up for something we believe in... all of this creates an impression on those around us.  that impression is in turn passed on by impression ad nauseam.  pretty much its like this:  the tiniest little thing has significant and identifiable effects on everything... in the long run.

well i read a couple more posts, saw that the conclusion i just wrote was kinda done before... and not only that, but spirit_girl needed to ask why it matters!

ok, so you believe in reincarnation, right?  you need to live life well now and every moment, so that every moment is filled with life and love... filled with god.

if you think of it more self-centeredly, then you do good in all your lives so all your later lives have a better world to live in.

of all those effects, some snowball quite dramatically.  ever hear of this guy named jesus?  or another named mohammad?  or another named Ghandi?

my name is Tia. I am 13 4/12.
I dont believe in karma or enlightenment. i believe in reincarnation and God.

I have read throught these forums and found 2 things on the purpose of life. my question is different, however.


okay. how does my life matter? when I die and yaddayaddayadda, will my soul care? it's not because i effect others, because how do they mater? it's not an intertwining tapestry... how does anything matter? we're all gonna die anyway. who, in the long run, will care if i die tomorrow? how does it matter if I'm happy right now?

I'll always have another life to be happy in anyway.

thank you lots for your replies on this. I might get emmotional sometimes, but i try to be as fair as possible, and i will seriously think about each and every one of your beliefs, as long as it has nothing to do with karma because i don't think karma exists.

so please, tell me your thoughts on how our lives matter. how it will matter if we are happy now, when they'll always be another life to be happy in.....
so who cares about this one?