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Title: duality of mind
Post by: alexd on April 09, 2005, 08:10:04
How does duality of mind work?

If the mind is ONE entity how can comparative analysis exist in the mind?

For example: As most people read this they will hear an internal voice reading it to them and their mind filtering the information, processing it and making meaning.
How can a speaker and a listener exist both in the mind. Shouldn't the nature of the mind be that it simply listens and comprehends without having to 'read it out to itself'?

Does anyone know any specific information about this?


Thanks
Alex
Title: duality of mind
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on April 09, 2005, 12:24:41
Brain is a neural network, so it can be programmed to act in every possible way. Not everyone's brain has to translate words into the sound first and then interpret it. When I read texts in Polish language, I understand them without translating them into voice first, I just see the words and interpret them directly. English texts sometimes have to be translated to voice first.
Title: duality of mind
Post by: Ben K on April 10, 2005, 21:14:48
How would you interpret them directly? It being text and all, wouldnt you have to in some way read it back to yourself to get the information into your memory? Or is it stored in images or another form of thought?
Title: duality of mind
Post by: alexd on April 11, 2005, 10:51:59
I have a problem with how modern science defines the "self". In terms of modern science, if you are your body, which part? Your brain? If you are your brain and the above proves that your brain is not one entity then which part of it is in essence "you"? I don't think this is defined clearly in our society, even though it may be more apparent in a spiritual context, but what about outside it?


Alex
Title: duality of mind
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on April 11, 2005, 16:19:51
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How would you interpret them directly? It being text and all, wouldnt you have to in some way read it back to yourself to get the information into your memory? Or is it stored in images or another form of thought?
Text can be read directly as images.
Title: duality of mind
Post by: Ben K on April 11, 2005, 18:22:04
Quote from: alexdI have a problem with how modern science defines the "self". In terms of modern science, if you are your body, which part? Your brain? If you are your brain and the above proves that your brain is not one entity then which part of it is in essence "you"? I don't think this is defined clearly in our society, even though it may be more apparent in a spiritual context, but what about outside it?


Alex

I like to think of my body as sort of a gigantic lens. My eyes are my lens through which my concsiousness can interpret sight for example. My ears interpret sound so my consciousness can hear.

In the astral, these senses are naturally not there, but since all you are basically is a point of consiousness, you create these sense strictly out of habit. Just like you look down and see your body out of habit. Except, the lens is much wider.
Title: duality of mind
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on April 12, 2005, 13:12:14
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like to think of my body as sort of a gigantic lens. My eyes are my lens through which my concsiousness can interpret sight for example. My ears interpret sound so my consciousness can hear.
Brain interprets signals from eyes and ears, they only turn signals from optical/audio to electrical.
Title: Duality, a matter of perspective
Post by: Lighthouse on April 14, 2005, 00:19:03
This duality stuff is very tricky. Why is it more comfortable for me to write as if I am writing to someone outside of myself and access the answers as if they are from outside of myself?

This is learned behavior. If it is more comfortable for you to access the information as if it were coming from a source outside of yourself, that is fine. If it is more comfortable for the information to be coming from inside of me, that's fine too.. Either way, you are communicating with God or your higher self so it doesn't really matter which form you use. You are creating more separation by assuming there is a source ourside of yourself yet if it helps you to be having a 2 way conversation, that is fine too. You are God and God is you and yes... things are the way they are because you say so and You are God.

the duality thingie can be unlearned but it really doesn't matter how you do it... as long as it helps you.

Love.
Light
Title: duality of mind
Post by: Greenrat on May 05, 2005, 14:36:33
hmm i think the mind  reading the words is only the tool the awareness uses to read it- the awareness is our true self, the voice reading it out in your head is more of a small reflex as apposed to being you in your entirety- the you which understands the words is the *real* you.
Title: Curiosity killed the cat
Post by: taoita on May 30, 2005, 15:03:24
Analysing the working of the mind (left and right sides) is a situation where it seems to me that most pioneers got themselves up the proverbial creek without a paddle.  I wouldn't know where to stand on answering such a question.  You see, I am more interested in focusing my awareness than working out how my mind works.  If I hit a bad day then I'll sort that out np and practicing a few moves in meditation, or trying the astral projection techniques are a nice way to unwind and read what is happening to me.

Kinaesthetic learning or active learning are basic ways in which less able people can engage with reading and get a lot out from the time.  You must be right on the button when you say that reading should really occur in a state of quiet, but not every situation is passive and not every reader wants to be alone in thought.

I don't know how it works but I can empty my mind quite easily and listen to a narrator when I need to.  The trouble is that now and again my mind fills up with the streaming consciousness of someone else.

If I am reading a book I have to make myself resonate with the story so that the language is living.  That's engagement at a certain level.  Then I write down the fresh information directly and from imagination so that I can look over it again some other day.  My awareness changes from day to day, so I make a record of it so I can have more time to interpret it.  If I am reading movements in dimensions through practicing moves, I only practice the new patterns because it is too forgetting otherwise.

I suppose it depends on how you make yourself evolve as a human which will elicit the answer to your question.  Maybe subjective and objective viewpoints are what you really are studying and I think this area is now opening up to new conversation.

Did you ever study the classics, the mythology is full of duals of minds and the nature of thought.
Title: Re: duality of mind
Post by: genep on January 03, 2006, 20:35:50
Quote from: alexdHow does duality of mind work?

If the mind is ONE entity how can comparative analysis exist in the mind?

For example: As most people read this they will hear an internal voice reading it to them and their mind filtering the information, processing it and making meaning.
How can a speaker and a listener exist both in the mind. Shouldn't the nature of the mind be that it simply listens and comprehends without having to 'read it out to itself'?

Does anyone know any specific information about this?

Thanks
Alex

The Supreme Comedy: on all its limitless levels and fathomless depths nothing in life ever appears to be what it is. Language is this Supreme Comedy ... each person on the face of the earth reads the same words differently, and the same person  will  read the same words differently  minute and minute and second to second.
The Supreme Comedy called language: if there is no way anyone can control the way words are read then  communication is an utter  exercise in futility.
Physics tells us the same story: the observer determines the observations. WHICH MEANS that life is not even our dreams but hallucinations, thoughts, fiction.
The message of this Supreme Comedy:  the mind cannot think because thinking is just a thought.

The mind is just a collection of thoughts one of which is: I can think.
And this "I can think" is the Supreme Comedy called life.

The Hindus figured it out over 5000 years ago; and 5000 years later physics tells us the exact same story: if there is such a thing as thinking then physics would have such a thing as  "particalizing."
Title: duality of mind
Post by: ubiquitous on February 08, 2006, 11:30:53
Life is a duel with oneself

the thoughts u develop from your mental fabric into a character absorbed by others

marley

is it a particle or a wave?