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[The AlphaOmega]

"A life without relflection is not a life worth living".
                                          -Socrates

[rhinegirl]

Originally posted by [)]mustard

[)]We are alive and we might as well try to do something because nothing comes out of not trying to achieve anything.

[}:)]Unless you're born into wealth and don't have to work a day in yer life.

[)]You have to understand that we have emotions that drive us to participate and feel >alive< because feeling alive is what makes life worth living and you know how it feels to be happy to feel good inside, you may not know it yet but this feeling guides and drives us all.[]

[}:)]Not neccesarily. Many desire safety over freedom adn feeling alive. Upon reading news from Amerika I would have to say I pity the people of Amerika because their govt is obsessed by fear and apocalypical thinking. this is also the thinking that Hitler used.

[)]Not doing anything or not trying to make the best of a situation you are in and trying to escape society because you think it dosen't matter what you do, no one cares and it's stupid or pointless,

[}:)]Some would argue that changing society in that way is trying to escape society.  

[)]Unfortunately the view we have of life is shaped by the environment we live in, and so many have grown up with a wrong view of life because of their unbalanced environment which is created by that and that emotion of hate fear loneliness that also gudes away from the everything that makes life worth living and so it spreads,
Don't let it spread please don't because it is capable of causing so much pain and suffering, so it has to begin with someone who has to provide happy and comforting emotions...[|)]

[}:)]But then what is the right veiw of life. What's right for you isn't right for me. What's right for a woman isn't neccesarily right for a man. The veiw of life is also shaped by internal causes other than desires and emotions.

[)]If anyone cares I'll post tips on how to reach that plateau of life...
Think of me as a therapist[][/b][/navy]

[}:)]How pretentious and presumptuous of you. I would like to point out that many who set themselves up on a podium are setting themselves up for a fall.

[}:)]Jessica

[mustard]

I don't know what I did to make you reply in such a way but you started it, I don't care what you say if it offends my personal views that I was willing to share if you don't like them why attack them,
I was trying to bring some sence and not tell people what to do or how to feel you took it as if am being the one who know all and I don't, the only thing you acopmlished is makeing me feel uncomfortable with sharing my views and I have nothing against you.
To write down everything I said AND REPLY THE WAY YOU DID IT, am not going to discuss it anymore, you completely did the opposite of everything I said and it's not right I never did it to you and I never will.[|)]

[rhinegirl]

quote:Originally posted by mustard

I don't know what I did to make you reply in such a way but you started it, I don't care what you say if it offends my personal views that I was willing to share if you don't like them why attack them,
I was trying to bring some sence and not tell people what to do or how to feel you took it as if am being the one who know all and I don't, the only thing you acopmlished is makeing me feel uncomfortable with sharing my views and I have nothing against you.

I was replying to each sentence. I'm sorry I intimidated you, it wasn't my desire to do so.

Jessica

[James S]

Mustard,

A calmer reply here would be more productive.
I read through Rhinegirl's response a couple of times, and apart from her comment about you being pretentious, which I think is understandable with regards to your original comments, I cannot see that she has done anything to offend or provoke you.

You said at the beginning - "the way I see it". Rhinegirl simply responded with the way she sees it. Neither view should be treated as wrong - just different. Both can be seen as equally valid.

Accepting that others have different perspectives brings about broader and better understanding of this life we are living.

Regards,
James.

[wisp]

Sorry James, your idea of rhinegirl having valid remarks is off. If you separate her statements (making them stand alone), they do not make sense. They lack full thought. I not only think she purposely was being rude and trying to destroy mustard's insightful thoughts, she also has made an anti-America remark. She's just causing trouble and discouraging other's free thought.

It would be interesting if she could instead construct her own essay. Maybe then, the fragmented and angry replies she made, will then have meaning.  Otherwise, it only detracts from a more valuable idea.

For what it's worth Mustard, I liked your piece, in spite of the attempted hack job, by rhinegirl.

It does say "Philosophy" at the top of this page, right?

[wisp]

Rhinegirl,
I'm looking forward to your own written philosophies on the matters you see fit to challenge mustard about.

I have a few questions I'm eager to get answers. Being the philosopher that you are:

1. Do you see the economic conditions that are brought about with a particular mindset? Please.....elaborate.

2. Please explain further your quote, "Many desire safety over freedom adn feeling alive".

What's your source of news information on America (or Amerika as you say)?

quote:Not neccesarily. Many desire safety over freedom adn feeling alive. Upon reading news from Amerika I would have to say I pity the people of Amerika because their govt is obsessed by fear and apocalypical thinking. this is also the thinking that Hitler used.

Hmmm...your quote here is very interesting. I would love to hear the basis for your statement. Please elaborate.

I notice you use the phrase, "fear and apocalypical thinking". Do you know what that means? Where are you coming from on this part?

Do you have some post war views after the Hitler regime? You see a connection with America following suite? Please, explain.

3. You have some theories on society issues with this question, " Some would argue that changing society in that way is trying to escape society".

4.Mustard's quote  

quote:Unfortunately the view we have of life is shaped by the environment we live in, and so many have grown up with a wrong view of life because of their unbalanced environment which is created by that and that emotion of hate fear loneliness that also gudes away from the everything that makes life worth living and so it spreads,
Don't let it spread please don't because it is capable of causing so much pain and suffering, so it has to begin with someone who has to provide happy and comforting emotions...

You have particulars in regard to Mustard's generalised statement about life you want to focus on? How is a man's and a woman's view point different here?
What exactly do you mean by, "The view of life is also shaped by internal causes other than desires and emotions". In relationship to mustard's general statement, that is.


Looking forward to what you have to say.

[James S]

Wisp, I see your point.
It would be interesting to see a complete reply, a flow of thought focussing on the whole, rather than fragmented responses.

The 'analytical breakdown' of a post - it does seem all the rage now doesn't it?

I still do not feel though that Rhinegirl's response to each segment is really in any ways provoking, and I don't quite understand why Mustard feels the way he does to her response. Still, that's just me I guess.

Regards,
James.

[wisp]

James,
I can see clearly why Mustard is offended. Check out the clown heads rhinegirl chose to place on his statements. Then she makes herself clever little demon heads for her responds. She's a neg!  She's having free run of the forums with these same negative loose statements. These statements are not even her's. She picks up catchy statements she hears, and then plops them down is places without knowing what on earth she's talking about. If this chick has said anything intellegent since being at AP, please, tell me where? I sure haven't seen any from her.And what's more, she doesn't have a philosophy, and I have no doubt she cannot answer any my questions on subjects she expresses knowledge on. In two places in the forum she talks of banishing things (God for one, how ignorant!). Oh please, how old is this banish word!? She's a loose cannon with problems. This forum has seen it's share of neg invasion, her ammo, and choice of targets sucks. What has she offered positive or intelligent?

When someone like Mustard opens himself up to express himself, the last thing a person needs is an attack. A philosophy is much like a poem. Would someone come along a rip apart a person's heartfelt poem?

[rhinegirl]

Originally posted by wisp[/i]

Rhinegirl,
I have a few questions I'm eager to get answers. Being the philosopher that you are:

1. Do you see the economic conditions that are brought about with a particular mindset? Please.....elaborate.

[:I]Which particular mindset are you referring to? As I see it, the Amerikan empire is conquering the world though economic subterfuge. This subterfuge increases wealth exponentially for the very few on top while robbing many of what little they have, hence turning the planet into a group of haves and have-nots....with a WIDE gap on between. The Amerikan corporation will do all it can to become more and more powerful. I find it odd that corporations are given rights of personhood while flesh and blood humans are disposable.
2. Please explain further your quote, "Many desire safety over freedom adn feeling alive".

What's your source of news information on America (or Amerika as you say)?

[:I]BBC, Indymedia, Drudgereport, Coasttocoastam.com,and many other news services. I listen to both consrvative and liberal voices from all sides.

quote:Not neccesarily. Many desire safety over freedom adn feeling alive. Upon reading news from Amerika I would have to say I pity the people of Amerika because their govt is obsessed by fear and apocalypical thinking. this is also the thinking that Hitler used.

Hmmm...your quote here is very interesting. I would love to hear the basis for your statement. Please elaborate.

[:I]In germany before Hitle came to power the was the equivalent of the U.S. depression. no jobs, no food, no purpose. The various govt factions fought for supremacy and the nazis killed off a few rivals and gradually the Nazi mindset became the norm. In order to save the economy they started building weapons. While this saved the higher ups, the poorer classes were still afflicted. So the NP chose to blame the Jews for everything and distyracted the people enough so they did not notice their rights being taken away from them. Hitler and other Nazis claimed that the Golden Age was possible once and only once all the jews were killed and Germany was in complete power.

I notice you use the phrase, "fear and apocalypical thinking". Do you know what that means? Where are you coming from on this part?

[:I]Yes, it in reference to your president Bush's attempt to stir the minds of the people through fear...all graet tyrants use this method. By Germany's standards of what cults are, most xian denominations are cults. People like pat robertson, and others like him would not be allowed to spread their hatred. For Bush to declare his Christian faith is scandalous, we saw Hitler do the same thing in one of his speeches that I saw at school.

Do you have some post war views after the Hitler regime? You see a connection with America following suite? Please, explain.

[:I]We have seen how easy it is to become fanatics, we learned our lesson. Yet the Nazis learned theires as well. They no longer seek world domination by force but by economic manipulation. Did you know Bush's grandpa (prescott Bush) was a financial contributer to the Nazis?

You have particulars in regard to Mustard's generalised statement about life you want to focus on? How is a man's and a woman's view point different here?

[:I]Men have been traditiuonally stronger than women and in power moreso than women. Chemicals in the body also affect veiws, for example a man with high levels of testosterone may feel the need to conquer, a woman may feel the need to hide...in teh same situation.

What exactly do you mean by, "The view of life is also shaped by internal causes other than desires and emotions". In relationship to mustard's general statement, that is.

[:I]People ultimately have choices. the choice to lie, steal, kill, etc are often caused by internal character rather than outside circumstances.


Looking forward to what you have to say.

[:I]Jessica


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[rhinegirl]

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Originally posted by wisp[/i]

James,
I can see clearly why Mustard is offended. Check out the clown heads rhinegirl chose to place on his statements. Then she makes herself clever little demon heads for her responds. She's a neg!

>You base neghood on that? What if I use ALL the heads?[^][8D][}:)][:O][][][:X][xx(][B)][!][:I][V][8][][]

 She's having free run of the forums with these same negative loose statements.

>I have NOT been loose!

These statements are not even her's. She picks up catchy statements she hears, and then plops them down is places without knowing what on earth she's talking about.

>How the heck would you know[?][?] Dammit! There's me being loose with those heads again!!

If this chick has said anything intellegent since being at AP, please, tell me where?

>I speak to people at the level they can understand.

I sure haven't seen any from her.And what's more, she doesn't have a philosophy,

>Do I need to put my thoughtss in a box so others will feel safer? The point of freethought is to think freely without limitations.

In two places in the forum she talks of banishing things (God for one, how ignorant!).

>Why is it ignorant???

Oh please, how old is this banish word!?

>Don't know. Do you? I know my grandfather used it when he talked about ritual magick.

She's a loose cannon with problems. This forum has seen it's share of neg invasion, her ammo, and choice of targets sucks.

>You're right, the targets do suck.

When someone like Mustard opens himself up to express himself, the last thing a person needs is an attack.

>He gave an opinion of life, I gave another and challenged him. A philosophy is NOT like a poem. Would you include political debate in the category of philosophy and poetry? How silly!![)][)][)][)]

A philosophy is much like a poem. Would someone come along a rip apart a person's heartfelt poem?

>How is philosophy like a poem....elaborate please. What about teh Nazi philosophy? was that like a poem? Was tearing it up the right thing to do?

>jessica

[mustard]

Rhinegirl,
I understand your intent to challinge my views but next time please don't put clown faces in front my words because it confused me so I might have interpretd it the wrong way and it gave me a negative opinion of your character which made me reply the way I did.

"Unless you're born in wealth and don't have to work a day in your life."

Those who are born into wealth and am assuming by you saying "don't have to work day in you life" you mean they have it served on a silverplatter, gain no experience in hardships of life and therefore they grow up to miss (I believe)some important lessons or values of life which I would not want to miss.[]

"Upon reading news from Amerika I would have to say I pity the people of Amerika because their govt is obsessed with fear and apocalyptical thinking."

I live in America and the govt is not obsessed with fear, but it is trying to be cautious since 9/11/01, you would have to live in US to understand how much it has changed since 9/11/01, with a disaster of that mass in which many innocent lives were lost am sure any other country would thighten up and as far as the apocalyptical thinking well the media will hype anything for ratings or attention(my belief)[].

"Some would argue that changing the society in that way is trying to escape society."
[]
Changing the society in what way?
All I meant was that trying to get involved  in the society will give you the drive or the sensation to live, trying to make the best of a situation, how is that escaping the society I mean who wouldn't want it to be better meaning nice,comforting,peaceful...
I know what's better for someone else is not better for the other person but am writting in generall and makeing the best of a situation I just don't see how is that escapeing the society.[?]

[wisp]

rhinegirl,
1."As I see it, the Amerikan empire is conquering the world though economic subterfuge. This subterfuge increases wealth exponentially for the very few on top while robbing many of what little they have, hence turning the planet into a group of haves and have-nots....with a WIDE gap on between. The Amerikan corporation will do all it can to become more and more powerful".

Yep, that's a real problem. And yet, people continue to go along (mostly against their will) with this system. One step, it has to be recognized by larger numbers. And there has to be some bold souls who who can show and produce a better way. I'm doing it. It's a slow process, and I have to have something to show for it. But, I can at least talk some ideas. Unfortunately, so far, I'm being crushed by this very system. I'm working on practical ways to defeat it.

" I find it odd that corporations are given rights of personhood while flesh and blood humans are disposable".

What does this mean?

2."BBC, Indymedia, Drudgereport, Coasttocoastam.com,and many other news services. I listen to both consrvative and liberal voices from all sides"

I'll check these places out. Any links?


3." In order to save the economy they started building weapons. While this saved the higher ups, the poorer classes were still afflicted. So the NP chose to blame the Jews for everything and distyracted the people enough so they did not notice their rights being taken away from them. Hitler and other Nazis claimed that the Golden Age was possible once and only once all the jews were killed and Germany was in complete power"

Here was a situation where there was a real problem with people not seeing the significance of their personal freedoms being  taken away, and therby, not seeing their own vulnerabilty, until it was too late.  Yes, this can happen again, and a real danger in my opinion.

4. "Yes, it in reference to your president Bush's attempt to stir the minds of the people through fear...all graet tyrants use this method. By Germany's standards of what cults are, most xian denominations are cults. People like pat robertson, and others like him would not be allowed to spread their hatred. For Bush to declare his Christian faith is scandalous, we saw Hitler do the same thing in one of his speeches that I saw at school".

If I became a prisoner of George B. or Pat Robertson, I would feel like I would receive humane and kind treatment.Their not the enemy. The enemy is a system being built. The system needs examination, not necessarily an individual.


5."We have seen how easy it is to become fanatics, we learned our lesson. Yet the Nazis learned theires as well. They no longer seek world domination by force but by economic manipulation. Did you know Bush's grandpa (prescott Bush) was a financial contributer to the Nazis?"

Yes, I've read that on the Prescott Bush info. Maybe improvement happens by looking back at grandpa's mistakes. Not just that grandpa, if you know what I mean? Learning from previous generations, the negative, as well as the positive.

6."Men have been traditiuonally stronger than women and in power moreso than women. Chemicals in the body also affect veiws, for example a man with high levels of testosterone may feel the need to conquer, a woman may feel the need to hide...in teh same situation".

Sorry, don't buy this at all. Women have a long way to go about learning how to be self sufficient. I know a lot about women's independence and potential power. When women in general decide they want it, it's there for them. Women have a lot of dependency, and more undesirable traits, character, and other issues to get past.  

7. "People ultimately have choices. the choice to lie, steal, kill, etc are often caused by internal character rather than outside circumstances".

This also is a true statement. I have some idea on this very subject. You can take a potentially good person, and yet he/she is sucked into a system built to destroy. This is one reason the corporate mindset is a good place to study this collective evil intent. The judicial, social system, and health care systems are also good places to follow on this. Indentify the big lies and the big theives, and see why the same is produced on a smaller scale. Maybe then, we can discover what drives people to kill, in more ways than one.

I'll have to finish the next part later, have to go somewhere.

[findtruth]

I liked your philosophy, there.  Personally, freedom and helping other people in my own way (whether or not they know of it) make me happy, along with training, creating, and generally, getting stronger, gaining knowledge, and so on.
About having a negative view of life, I went through that, and it always seems to me, that other people are the root of it.  Or rather, being around other people too much.  I find I feel most alone when I'm standing in a crowd and I watch all the people buzzing about around me, or when I'm talking to a friend and I think of how little that they know of me.  
Oh, and i think Rhinegirl just enjoys pissin other people off[]

[mustard]

Thanks findtruth for bringing me some comfort[|)]...

[findtruth]

Your essays are most often well worth reading.[|)]

[mustard]

The purpose of my topic is to explain the... well my view of life and what it is about living that we search for.(THE WAY I SEE IT)

We are alive and we might as well try to do something because nothing comes out of not trying to achieve anything.

You have to understand that we have emotions that drive us to participate and feel >alive< because feeling alive is what makes life worth living and you know how it feels to be happy to feel good inside, you may not know it yet but this feeling guides and drives us all.[]

Not doing anything or not trying to make the best of a situation you are in and trying to escape society because you think it dosen't matter what you do, no one cares and it's stupid or pointless, well it's not, would you or anyone else feel nothing by not getting involved because feeling nothing leads to everything that makes you feel lonely and loneliness is an emotion that can drag you deep you and destroy you from the inside, we really are perfect and capable of reaching steps with no boundries, but this perfection is destroyed by
not being stable and haveing a negative view of life.[:O]

[B)]Unfortunately the view we have of life is shaped by the environment we live in, and so many have grown up with a wrong view of life because of their unbalanced environment which is created by that and that emotion of hate fear loneliness that also gudes away from the everything that makes life worth living and so it spreads,
Don't let it spread please don't because it is capable of causing so much pain and suffering, so it has to begin with someone who has to provide happy and comforting emotions...[|)]

If anyone cares I'll post tips on how to reach that plateau of life...
Think of me as a therapist[]