while i was in the shower the thought came to my mind.
the purpose of humanity is a very popular and unansvered question .
and my brain randomly generated an idea about this interesting topic that i will try to lay on this virtual paper as accurate as i can.
since it comes to me at very random times and i dont have pen and paper i try to retain as much of it in my head as i can.
so one of the popular beliefs(rumors,ideas,thoughts) that the purpose of humanity is to learn the truth(generally speaking)
by truth i assume they mean to understand the everything that is happening around us and inside us to become one with everything.
and that is the ultimate knowledge that will bring us to ballance, bring us closer to god, and such.
and that the truth is very hard to obain becaue if it was too easy then any idiot would know it and use it to harm himself or others...(but if he knew the thruth then it would be hard to call him an idiot)
it requires sometimes one sometimes many lifetimes to obtain it (the problem is we have a reset button) so we got about 100 years each time but we dont know what we here for.
so if the purpose(the truth the ultimate knowledge and understanding) is here, its been here forever, "before the time was time":)
what is the purpose of our learning process.
the things that we go thru to learn it?
the truth is not the purpose its the cause of all this. what is the reason for our life?
the goal is to learn and understand. but it seems artificial to me. it feels as if the actual life is more important than the final destination. why ?
id love to discuss this topic and get new ideas to process thru mymind. its interesting what comes out of it.
He he, I have some of my best insights while in the shower.
Have you ever heard the term "the great cosmic joke"? For some, that's how they describe their realization of the truth: they realize everything they took to be real isn't real like they thought it was, and now "get it", like they see through the "joke" of life. It's not pointless, just not as it seems to be when you're in the middle of the experience.
I wont claim to know what the goal is, maybe we are gods in training? :wink: What I do know and believe is that the point of these lives we live seems to be for a person to have as rich an experience as possible. Just revel in the wonder of life and contribute to the wonder and experience of others. Share as much as possible. What seems artificial about experiencing and sharing?
We are actually rather primitive beings at this point, so just accept the notion that you cannot know the so called "ultimate truth" yet, because it would ruin the experience for yourself and everybody else. :lol:
I had an epiphany of my own a while ago, and it was that the purpose of our existence here on this plane is to find a purpose for our existence. This is a manifestation of the ego.
Everyone has has their own purpose that their ego puts in front of them. From fast cars to young women, to millions of dollars to huge mansions. Or hollywood fame, if that's your thing.
We must learn to go completely beyond the mind and ego. We must look into the core of our being to find out what our existence as an individual spirit is. Going beyond the ego and mind are very hard things to do, but once it is done, it will be the best thing you have ever done.
ok i think the first post was long and confusing enough i will try to compress it.
because i just had another moment of thruth after watching stargate continuum.
turns out the guy lived his life in 3 different parallel times
anyway.
if the soul is immortal, and is ONE with everything, why do we not have a slightest idea about what we are doing here.
why do we not remember our past lives.
i dont know.
but!! if you were say a throwout bearing in the clutch of your car, you would not have a clue as to whats outside your designated place of exisence, until you re worn out and replaced, then you go to junk yard or recycled into a brand spanking new part and might be a spring in some lady's bicycle seat(mmmm lol), or repaired and put back in your place.
and the only few things that know your reality as a whole would be( the creator, the manufacturer,the mechanic, and the service manual)
and before that you existed as part of a rock or a muntain, before the creator got to you.
on another level, the mountain is now becomes part of our human existence
so if we are just parts of the machine, i belive that it need a new mechanic, otherwise its gona go to junk yard, but the materials will most definitely be recycled...
another one for you to think about.
when you play a computer game, do you think that the game world is as real for its character as this world is real for us?
In the physical dimensions we learn about misery, pain, sorrow etc etc.
Dear tenshi_R,
The idea that the purpose of suffering is learning is a lie that is distributed by The System of reincarnation that wants to sustain itself and the Universe by keeping souls imprisoned in a perpetual cycle of life and death. The System is sustained by the release of energy from incarnates through suffering, a continual process of harnessing, a regulated state of misery the planets are kept at on purpose. The Universe and it's astral Systems are an artificial creation that is now running out of fuel as we are now witnessing the beginning of it's structural collapse.
kind regards,
Paul
I like that
So there has been a lot of discussion about other realities or dimensions. Maybe we don't reincarnate into the same reality each time. Maybe the last reality I lived in looked much different than this one. Many physicists believe in parallel universes. Who knows for sure. What I do know is that I would really prefer to not reincarnate back to Earth. I'm ready for the next level.
I constantly have this unshakeable feeling that reality is kind of a joke.
You know, like all of this is a dream like in waking life or we're just inhabiting the equivalent of an atom inside the leg of some bigger creature and all the galaxies we see are just other electrons or something. So the one that we're all a part of is a leg.
Its a creepy feeling.
that makes me think we're just a fractal of a larger fractal construct made up of other fractals just like us, which may be because I've become fractal crazy lately.
can it be that we(physical universe) are not the main but the part
the lower structure.
in the process of learning.
the process of our consciousness getting the experience and knowledge
yeah I've thought that the purpose of f1oC - c1 is to provide a stable learning environment also. Its mostly accepted here that the physical is only the beginning and you will spend the shortest amount of time here, basically that the point of the physical is to prep you for the nonphysical. Just as f3 is to prep you for f4, all areas are a stepping stone into infinite.
no i didnt mean is as a step in an individual development.
i meant we as individuals are a part of much biger thing (beeing,entity,wholeness etc).
and while individually developing, our experiences add up to beeing a part of something larger.
otherwise the individual existence for purpose of self development makes little or no sense at all because we die every 100 or so years and even if we are reborn we start from a clean sheet of paper every time.
if you think about the earth as a whole
and take one step down the evolutionary stairs, the animals dont have the ability to analyze or pass on the knowledge to the next generation besides the basic specific environment things. does their existence make sense?
if physical is so short lived.
each time we are born we are a certain combination os same atoms that are beeing reused over and over again.
it would only make sense that theres something beyond the lives that we live as individuals
i think it's a bit "egotistical" of us to assume this place is here so that we can learn and evolve.
i think we have a bad habit as humans to assume that we are fantastic and the universe revolves around us. i understand why we think that, as far as we know we are all there is. but let's not get too full of ourselves.
Quote from: personalreality on May 24, 2010, 14:06:11
i think it's a bit "egotistical" of us to assume this place is here so that we can learn and evolve.
Why is that egotistical?
That's exactly why I think we're here...
Although, to give perspective... when I say "we", I mean all living beings in our universe, not just "humanity".
~Ryan :)
you have to admit that humanity has a bad case of thinking our shiz don't stink.
maybe its because we dont know what to think.
i mean to be honest, all of this is speculation.
without much proof besides gospels and bedtime stories.
theres no definite proof of anything its all based on belief.
even personal experience is very personal to a point that it cannot be verified or recorded...
I think that I favor a slight variation on the above theme. I think the purpose of the cosmos, if it indeed has one and it may not, is an exploration of every possible mode of being and existing- not really learning per se, because it doesn't happen in any linear sequence, and it doesn't inform a particular being to any end, but more of an "expression" of every type and way of being at all.
For instance, over here, this is what it is like to be a musical composer, and live through capturing your emotions in notes; over there, this is what it is like to be an abused horse, dreaming of fields full of rich grass, forced to pull a plough; over in this corner, this is what is like to be a mentally ill person, creating mental worlds out of line with the one you live in; there, you can feel what it is like to be a body of water, moved by inorganic forces; up in that roost, you can see what it is like to be the guy pulling the strings, creating different schemes of realities for others to experience.
I don't imagine it would have any final end in particular, but rather just be something complete in and of itself- a kind of catologue of every kind of existence and experience.
There are many that are fond of saying that the cosmos or God is infinite.... to me, that is what infinitude would need to imply- that there is a sort of record of every mode and method of existing and being, and that one could at times try and appreciate them all.
the purpose of any life form is reproduction and multiplication. the summarians said that we have no meaning, just live and die, and because we are half breeds, there is no heaven for us just an empty void in the after life.
Quote from: misinformedia on May 25, 2010, 09:50:20
the purpose of any life form is reproduction and multiplication. the summarians said that we have no meaning, just live and die, and because we are half breeds, there is no heaven for us just an empty void in the after life.
What you speak about is the reason for how we (humans and other life forms in this physical reality) continue our physical existences and how we make it possible for more spiritual beings to come to this planet to do whatever it is we're here to do.
The question more pertains to *us* in our natural, spiritual forms... why do we choose to come to this rock, for what reason do we come here.
Why come to live physically on this planet when you can literally have whatever it is you want on a whim living in Focus 3?
~Ryan :)
I think it may be more about "realization" than learning. And learning takes place to come to that realization.
so i have a tendency to try to find similarities between things, add them wtf is the word for that lol. to see the interaction between things.
for example FOLDING@home project that im sure people have heard of.
what is Folding@Home?
Folding@Home is a project conducted by Stanford University. It's purpose is to investigate the folding and misfolding of proteins. While it may sound insignificant, this work is actually very important. The behaviour of proteins can cause diseases such as cancer, so studying them can provide valuble information towards prevention and cures.
Stanford's project revolves around computer generated simulations and analysis
it is based on simulating as many possibilities as we can in order to ge the result.
if you look at humans we are as well a combination of many things in different time and different circumstances(environment families etc) and for that reason each one of us has different experiences that he accumulates during his life.
now animals accumulate experiences as well but not on the same level as we do.
and they dont pass it on to future generations as we do
sothere must be a reason for us to have the ability to think and analyze
How are we "half-breeds"?
summarians believed that we were made half gods blood half earths. gods went to heaven, we go to limbo for eternity. they were also the first known civilization on earth.
http://www.sitchin.com/
mr sitchin was on of the first to transalat the text and write about it for the public.
lol, you fail to mention that he says that the gods were extraterrestrials, the good ol' Annunaki (those who from heaven to earth came).
i love sitchin's books.
I'm going to give my take on this one-
I think we are all extensions of Source Intelligence and we are simply experiencing.
Sumerians might have been the first known civlization, but they were far from the first to have religious beliefs.
what's that got to do with anything.
they are just the one's whose writings we still have.
My point is those beliefs have no more merit on anything than any other religion, so bringing them up in what has nothing to do with anything.
the point is that they weren't really religious writings. they were documentation using a vocabulary that too us seems religious and mythical but to them was quite real. it just so happens that the best way to explain extraterrestrials were to call them "gods".
doesn't mean sitchin's work is right. just sayings it's not really about religion.
that's what sitchin implies anyway
Here's an alternate way to look at Sichin's work. I've always found him to be a shill, but that's just my gut, not my brains.
http://www.sitchiniswrong.com
From the creator of the website:
QuoteThe work of Zecharia Sitchin was brought to my attention in 2001, shortly after I completed my book, The Facade. As a trained scholar in ancient Semitic languages with a lifelong interest in UFOs and paranormal phenomena, I was naturally enthused about Mr. Sitchin's studies, particularly since I had also heard he was a Sumerian scholar. I thought I had found a kindred spirit. Unfortunately, I was wrong. Zecharia Sitchin is not a scholar of ancient languages. What he has written in his books could neither pass peer review nor is it informed by factual data from the primary sources. I have yet to find anyone with credentials or demonstrable expertise in Sumerian, Akkadian, or any of the other ancient Semitic languages who has positively assessed Mr. Sitchin's academic work.
I've read his stuff before.
I don't really put much stock into what sitchin says, but i like the books. the story is very fun and interesting. it's a fun interpretation.
thanks for killing my thread
Anytime
Quote from: tenshi_R on June 19, 2010, 23:21:18
thanks for killing my thread
You're free to take this thread into a new direction or to continue your discussion on the current topic. :)
~Ryan
i thought of a bit better more refined version of the original theory yesterday.
im not sure what was the cause of this and where the idea came from.
this wouldnt possibly rule out the existence of god or gods in the universe and beyond
or any other supreme beeing or other that we dont have the capacity to understand individually.
one single human life is very tiny in comparison to how long the earth been around and the unverse as well.
its not even similar to a life of a fly that is seen by us humans.
what if all of our experiences dont go unnoticed, every little experience whether good or bad is stored somewhere
all of our experiences add up to a single memory of beeing, the whole reason we have a choice to do good or evil is for a puspose of that experience and there can be no good or evil besides inaction.
since if thres no action good or bad it doesnt benefit that collective memory.
kinda like an organ in human body that doesnt really do anything but absorb nutrients to support itsself.
so humans that are simply consuming the resources without contributing to the advancement us as species would be considered parasites.( lil too harsh i know but im trying to explain it best i can and its not that easy)
in other words what if our whole exisence here on earth is a stage in development of that higher beeing.
because how do we learn?
by having experiences.
we have certain experience and we learn from it whether its good or bad.(some people dont learn some people learn slow)
but we all are a collection of experiences that we accumulate during our lifetime.
and what would be a purpose of those experiences we accumulated if they disappear at the moment of our physical death.
Share as much as possible. What seems artificial about experiencing and sharing?
*removed link to non-astral projection related website ~Xanth
bummer. they make one post and you edit it.
they probably won't be back
I do have to agree with Stookie- it is okay to read Sitchin, if you are aware you are reading science fiction :wink:
I'm aware of the criticisms of sitchin, but it doesn't change the fact that he was one of the first people to really propose this idea of ancient aliens in our modern scientific times. He brought back an area of research (ancient high civilization and alien visitation) that had been stomped out by orthodoxy and for that I will always admire him. Also, the criticisms aren't that definitive, no more than sitchiens work. Kind of a 'my word against yours' type situation if you ask me.
i mean to be honest, all of this is speculation.
without much proof besides gospels and bedtime stories.
theres no definite proof of anything its all based on belief.
Quote from: johnsonkid on May 17, 2011, 04:51:56
i mean to be honest, all of this is speculation.
without much proof besides gospels and bedtime stories.
theres no definite proof of anything its all based on belief.
... which is why you need to experience it yourself and then join the appropriate club.
It's a beautiful system. Nobody on earth can cheat the system. Well... not really. ;P
Quote from: personalreality on March 30, 2011, 18:19:02
I'm aware of the criticisms of sitchin, but it doesn't change the fact that he was one of the first people to really propose this idea of ancient aliens in our modern scientific times. He brought back an area of research (ancient high civilization and alien visitation) that had been stomped out by orthodoxy and for that I will always admire him. Also, the criticisms aren't that definitive, no more than sitchiens work. Kind of a 'my word against yours' type situation if you ask me.
I think Von Daniken (badly spelled) was first. Sitchin just took VD's ideas, added a little Velikowsky and repackaged them with the Sumerian angle. Just sayin'.
I think that this question has merit and even a common answer.
Certainly Consciousness + Intelligence = Purpose/Reason.
I suspect that F4 is the 'gathering place for the purposeful' and that the purpose is shared/agreed and worked on - 'brainstormed'
I suspect that F1 is where that shared purpose is most beneficial to the other areas as a whole.
I suspect that F2 and F4 are intimately linked as are F1 and F3 - I understand that they are aspects of one consciousness but these aspects appear to be linked a certain way.
F4
F1 F3
F2
or
F1
F4
F2 F3
....Still it is a good question...
Interesting perspective. But if there is such a thing as F4, it is beyond human comprehension. It wouldn't be anything that we can relate to directly. Even purpose there is only a concept. There could be purposeless 'ideas' brainstormed too. These could be created due to the laws of infinity (but even this is probably a human concept). F4 has probably a lot more in common with quantum logic rather than human logic (there's a massive difference between the two). Now...there is only purpose if we (whoever we are) make one up. A lot of the things that surrounds us, which we consider to have purpose, depend on many other separate elements in order to sustain this sense of purpose in our minds.
Say a vehicle is built with the objective of carrying passengers and taking them to designated locations. In this example, let it be a school bus. It is essential within the system that we abide by because: it takes children to school; it's used as a 'tool' by someone who's job is to drive the children to school (paid qualified driver); it uses up fuel which is paid for at a petrol station (contributes to that business making a profit).
The school bus, as we can see, has many reasons to be or to exist. We made it for those reasons. Now take away the schools from existence. We'd have to find another use for the bus. It no longer is a "school bus". It's just a bus. Another use could be to take passengers on a joyful ride to the countryside. Take away the petrol stations from existence and we will find that its new purpose will be short-lived. Take away the driver and it's no longer used for that purpose. It might as well be a stationary vehicle susceptible to vandalism. It may have a use for hoodlums. Take away our civilisation, fast-forward in time to a new one where vehicles are non-existent. The new people look at the vehicle and wonder: "what is it?"..."why was it made?"..."What good is it now?" - suddenly someone comes along and finds a new purpose for it. "It's a pre-historic relic!" - someone says. Let's put it in a museum and any one who wants to see this wonder will have to pay. That way we make a profit.
You see where I'm going with this? Everything is defined by everything else. So what's the purpose of our existence? I have an idea, a postulation. Our purpose is to give meaning to the existential data. This data is like a matrix of many zeros and ones inside a computer. We sort out the combinations and decide what they represent according to whatever system of living we have devised. The data is very REAL. The concepts are ILLUSIONS which are made real in our minds because we make them matter. Just like Frank Kepple devised his focus model to make sense of the data he was receiving. From this, we can infer that even Focus 4 oC is merely a concept in his mind. The human mind tends to categorise everything. It feels the need to do this due to its simplistic nature compared to the whole.
What do you think, Wi11iam?
I don't see how any of that really matters.
You're, literally, wasting your time trying to figure out someone else's interpretation of something 100% subjective.
You might as well tell what colour 'square' is... or the shape of blue...
I highly suggest you spend your time journeying to the non-physical yourself and *DIRECTLY* find your own answers.
Here's a hint: Your answers won't come from the mind of someone else.
Your answers won't come from the mind of someone else
Essentially - there IS no 'someone else' and that is part of what Frank speaks of realizing.
Sure, you don't have to agree - it is not an expectation, but perhaps you could use your own experiences to 'ask the guides' or some such other thing - investigate.
I am not saying that they will know any different or would be able to enlighten you further, for they may not realize themselves the full extent and may be distracted/preoccupied with whatever it is they are doing which keeps them that way...
I highly suggest you spend your time journeying to the non-physical yourself and *DIRECTLY* find your own answers.
I will - but tell me if you can...with your 'answers' and my 'answers', and everyone's 'answers' what will be the final answer? That there is no answer because there is no question because there is no purpose? Hey I will get back to you about what it is I think summerlander....later
Ok, Wi11iam. By the way, Xanth has a good point and may I add...OOBEs usually bring more questions than answers.
Entertainment – Attainment.
F4 is not 'beyond human comprehension' summerlander Do you get that from Frank's description? Would you go there "if there was such a thing"?
Part of the aspect of F4 has to do with it being a zone where your sense of self merges with other senses of selves in order to.....do...what....?
Franks reports offer us some clues – and yes you are 'free' to argue that it was all in Franks 'mind' – but I can assure you that it is also in mine, (and I get the 'feel' that I am not alone in this) and yes, from the 'outside' (F3) of this zone (F4) from individual perspective of those who do indeed know of it and its existence, there will be differing labels and ideas on what it might be (including "invisible" and "incomprehensible") but I am convinced that the zone of F3 is where the purposeless 'ideas' that you mentioned are being brainstormed. F4 is more the area where the 'results' are examined.
Those "inside" F4, will know and comprehend
No doubt you are correct that F4 has common ground with 'quantum logic', but in no way is it 'rather than' – it is a bridging device between the two 'logics'.
You are exactly correct ( as in closer to the mark) in understanding that in order to have purpose, 'we' as One "Make it up as 'we' go along" and this is the purpose of F4 – in relation to the connection it has with Itself, with its 'parts' (F3 - F1), and with its Wholeness (F Or Ever.) :)
ʘ
A lot of the things that surrounds us, which we consider to have purpose, depend on many other separate elements in order to sustain this sense of purpose in our minds.
Only One Being Existing
On the contrary – "things" are "things" and what WE are OF, is Only One Thing, and that Thing is Conscious and Intelligent = With Purpose.
That Thing is where the sustained 'sense of purpose' 'dwells' like the dominant reality that It Is.
That which you refer to as 'our minds' is a small factor – part of The One, except for the small fact that 'our minds' might not necessarily be aware of this.
It is not The One whom rejects 'our minds' but 'tother way 'round...for now...
This is why F3 exists. F4 in comparison is hardly occupied, and exists, as I understand, as a connection to a vaster Reality With Purpose...and in a small way, part of that Purpose has to do with F1 F2 F3 F4 and the Purpose is communicated through F4.
An aspect of F3 acts as a distractive noise to that Purpose F4 is transmitting to F1, in which F1 finds very hard to hear through.
F4 has 'ways and means' to circumnavigate the F3 'noise'.
An aspect of F3 has agencies to stop up those 'ways and means' but F4 is always one step ahead.
Back on the School Bus...
F4 = "The Driver"
F3 & F1 = "Passengers"
F's 1,2,3 & 4 = "The Vehicle (Bus = Be Us) built with the Purpose of carrying Passengers"
F Or Ever/F5 = "The Fuel"
Fulfilling the Purpose = "The Profit"
F's 1,2,3 & 4 = "The Schools"
Take away the Schools (F's 1 2 3 & 4) from existence and 'we' would have to find another use for the F's 1,2,3 & 4 is to understand "we" and "F Or Ever/F5" are One and The Same.
We are 'The Fuel'
A prehistoric relic! = Consciousness Without Form (F's 1 2 3 & 4 non anything's)
:D
Now on a more sober note, the thing is, yes everyone can and does create a real place for them to dwell in what is erroneously sometimes seen as 'the after life' – and herein as all of the experiencee's will verify, is where 'things happen' and these things seem real and vibrant and even seem eternal, but there is still doubt as to the 'reality' of these places – this is a good clue. If we doubt the reality of our experiences in F1 & F3, then it is likely they don't really exist.
Fortunately we share a reality in F1 which is verifiable, thus extremely hard to doubt. Its 'purpose' might not be shared as one 'thing', and that is another aspect worth focusing on, as to 'why' this is so.
Do you see where I have gone with this?
So, these 'after life existences,' – If they are not real, then why are so many experiencing them?
And in the content of their experiences shared, why are most appearing to doubt the validity of them? Could it be that the areas of experience are not destined to be permanent and thus, are not really real.? Those who created them do not seriously want them to be permanent ...perhaps...
Truth is, yes we are experiencing a creation of our own making. Truth is, within this we have our own individual creations to tend to.
F3 is NOT "forever"... it appears to be, but it is a place of 'hold and examine content and activity until further notice".
...but that is an ongoing story...
Planet Talks btw (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/focus_5-t32621.0.html;msg282529#msg282529) summerlander, but not in a language easily understood, I admit. The easiest way to 'listen' is to examine while observing. I am sure someone or more have created 'talking moons made of cheese' in F3 somewhere – would be fascinating to look for and find, but also a distraction.
You see where I'm going with this? Everything is defined by everything else. So what's the purpose of our existence? I have an idea, a postulation. Our purpose is to give meaning to the existential data. This data is like a matrix of many zeros and ones inside a computer. We sort out the combinations and decide what they represent according to whatever system of living we have devised. The data is very REAL. The concepts are ILLUSIONS which are made real in our minds because we make them matter. Just like Frank Kepple devised his focus model to make sense of the data he was receiving. From this, we can infer that even Focus 4 oC is merely a concept in his mind. The human mind tends to categorise everything. It feels the need to do this due to its simplistic nature compared to the whole.
What do you think, Wi11iam?
The data is real yes.
The way the data is filtered depends on the purpose of the individual receiving the data.
As to F4, it exists summerlander, as a real data filtering system of 'minds' which have combined into 'mind' and connected to F5 – it is our whole species repository for all the information we individually experience, even as we collectively experience.
Too often the ILLUSION comes about from the individual unable to comprehend or recognise even the possibility of such a living system of information storage, collectively gathering and categorising and filtering and retrieving and reflecting back from where it derived....in 'all directions' including 'outside' of the whole system of information gather 'inside' the experience of the whole consciousness that is 'ours'.
F4, you are free to believe, only exist(ed) in Franks Model, devised so he could make sense of his experiences, and truly you can only go as far as your own creations allow you to, because that is your choice.
Have you done any experiments to find out once and for all one way or the other if F4 exists, or have you had no particular interest in pursuing the answer? I don't really know a great deal about your experiences in F3, if you are occupied with helping, retrieving, making things, exploring, slaying dragons, or whatever.
I sense you don't have any particular purpose in relation to experiencing the things which 'astral projection' allow you to experience, so your experiences will reflect this back to you (the consciousness experiencing) through the actual experiences you have.
No thing more and no thing less.
how come you don't use the quote button?
Quote from: Lexy on May 26, 2011, 01:16:16
how come you don't use the quote button?
:-D
WingMakers: "Express your authentic feelings of appreciation to my inmost presence within you and others"
Wi11iam: Sometimes I just prefer to be with the small amount of individuals I can – the internet is easier in some regard because in relating to consciousness there-in, there are many things I don't have to 'deal' with all at once.
Ouija Principle: Intimation Think In Terms Of...
... Now
Wi11iam: "In the moment, Being"
Lexy: how come you don't use the quote button?
Wi11iam: In answer to your Q, Lexy, I prefer to use different colors because I understand that the internet and Ouija Principle are so similar, and how I have developed this principle of communication using a word processor and computer etc...well when I do, "I" am the blue font and "You" are say, the brown font and it is like a 'script' unfolding (as conversation is) and a 'play' happening. (as life on earth unfolds also is).
So I have transferred this method Forums...I don't do it to be disrespectful – I think manwesulimo2004 asking me to clarify what I meant when I said in this thread (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_members_introductions/my_journey-t33884.15.html) that I understood the Ouija Principle and the internet were similar, and I started doing this, rather than using the quote button, as a way of expressing this understanding.
:)
Quoting... is more about forum etiquette than anything else. It makes people want to read your posts.
Honestly? I hardly read anything you type, because I can't be bothered to muddle through your font colours.
I glance over it, my eyes glaze, and I move on. But that's just me.
Wow! A lot of big words and complex theories with a bunch of F's thrown in the mix to understand the purpose or our existence, hehe. :-o Sounds like a lot of work and... thinking. :?
Quoting... is more about forum etiquette than anything else. It makes people want to read your posts.
Perhaps some are like yourself and do this, and it is their choice to do so, but although how I post might not be considered correct forum etiquette by some, it likely does not matter to others because they take no offence, which the subject of etiquette is concerned with.
What 'makes' people want to do anything, has to do with their own inner interpretation of outer events, and their purpose as they see it.
Honestly? I hardly read anything you type, because I can't be bothered to muddle through your font colours.
I glance over it, my eyes glaze, and I move on. But that's just me.
Well that may show the type of personality you wear rather than anything I am saying?
Still, I myself find it far more valuable not to hold attitudes about how/what others 'should' or 'shouldn't do as I know that missing important information in any situation where I have opportunity to receive it is unhelpful in my purpose of existence. That is 'just me'- honestly, and it is a good discipline to adopt in any situation, be that here or in the other aspects of conscious experience.
Wow! A lot of big words and complex theories with a bunch of F's thrown in the mix to understand the purpose or our existence, hehe. :-o Sounds like a lot of work and... thinking. :?
Yes it can be – but most enjoyable, purposeful and liberating! :) A lot of individuals do prefer to be entertained because it distracts them from thinking for themselves and certainly they can and do get a bit hostile/defensive if you happen into their 'world' with things they don't care to be informed about.
But everyone is in this together, so building walls in ones mind about small nuances is an opportunity to examine one's mind as to why one wants a wall there and is that appropriate to one's purpose (?) especially if one is moving from being merely entertained to learning for oneself. Information is available, but not necessarily palatable in the moment.
Certainly no one has to care about the thoughts of another – and just as certainly no one has to say so to that other.
Quote from: Lexy on May 26, 2011, 01:16:16
how come you don't use the quote button?
I'm guessing because its easier to copy and paste what they say in one post instead of go back and forth hitting quote and edit it into one post.
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 27, 2011, 14:31:25
Yes it can be – but most enjoyable, purposeful and liberating! :) A lot of individuals do prefer to be entertained because it distracts them from thinking for themselves and certainly they can and do get a bit hostile/defensive if you happen into their 'world' with things they don't care to be informed about.
But everyone is in this together, so building walls in ones mind about small nuances is an opportunity to examine one's mind as to why one wants a wall there and is that appropriate to one's purpose (?) especially if one is moving from being merely entertained to learning for oneself. Information is available, but not necessarily palatable in the moment.
Certainly no one has to care about the thoughts of another – and just as certainly no one has to say so to that other.
Which is part of what makes experiencing life in this realm so interesting. There is definitely a wide variety here with each individual with their own unique perceptions and their own unique journeys. Anything goes here. All of which are neither right nor wrong, or course. :wink:
I'm guessing because its easier to copy and paste what they say in one post instead of go back and forth hitting quote and edit it into one post.
Yes Some Random C&P do have a lot to do with it, but I most always create my 'replies' in a word document and read through them, edit and save. This is a practice I have been doing for years, as far as communications with 'others' go...it is a great learning tool, and after a while I started to realise just how 'script-like' conversation can be, and the different characters involved acting out the play...so life is a bit like that between 'individuals'.
Then I notice my 'method' (style/approach) and how I use 'these' and "these" a lot, and understand that this can be 'annoying' to 'others' who let such things annoy them, and then transfer that annoyance back to that which is 'seen' to be the source of that annoyance.
Truly I have learned that the source of all reaction resides within the thing reacting.
And thus I have learned to 'step out' of that thing, but still love to interact with it, so have to also find ways of 'trying to please all the people all the time' so that they can learn to hear me too. Somehow I have to reflect love, use PUL in F1 which is hard to do with mere 'words'.
Perhaps if I just admit I am an "A" hole, things will get better?
But then I am reminded of my old saying... "Just because we all have one, doesn't mean we have to be one!"
8-)
But don't let this confuse the issues, because really, We Are One...its just seems as though we are "separate".
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your color coding is confusing
it looks like you are talking to yourself
I really can't stand it, so I don't read any of it
you are doing youself a disservice
its too new agey, makes me cringe
its hard on the eyes
that's all
your color coding is confusing
Confusion is confusing...where is it sourced?
it looks like you are talking to yourself
Taking with myself– aspects of myself. This is closer to the truth than the belief that we are separate individual consciousnesses, totally unconnected in any way whatsoever.
I really can't stand it, so I don't read any of it
Lexy, If I thought it was the same with everyone I would try the more 'normal in the box way', but hey, when experiencing F1 or F3 do you put conditions on the experience, and the 'players' in those experiences or do accept that some things confuse you and many things are not the way you might think that they should 'be', but it makes no difference so you accept it or maybe not?
Would it be closer to the truth perhaps, to say that whatever way I present, you might not 'stand it' and not 'read any of it'? Why not accept new 'ways' as interesting variables which might just potentially add to the color of life?
Your rabbit avatar looks sad, and slightly angry, but I don't let it get me down, or feel defensive. Please relax with me.
you are doing youself a disservice
I am not doing myself any disservice – It is a bit sad that you choose to react the way you have about how I present my replies, but if I thought that it really did you or anyone else any harm, I would certainly change the way I share.
I cannot say that I am in charge of your owned emotions, or responsible for 'making' you feel any particular way, because it is simply not true.
That is not the purpose of my existence.
:)
:roll:
i heard that we exist on this word to expirience things we cant on other worlds.
well my personal theory after mulling it over is nonexistence is the only impossible and any purpose you can think of is the purpose of existence. :roll:
can our ability to think be considered as a separate dimension?
we have acess to information that other animals dont.
when an apple falls on dogs head dog looks up and moves.
when an apple falls on mans head man picks it up and either throws it in anger or starts to fn wonder why did it fall
why did it hurt his dome so much its just an apple
why did it fall on him
what are the chances of it hapening and what circumstances brought him to that tree.
would the apple still have fallen if he was under a different tree?
I entertain the idea that existence is a game, more so than other ideas I've had or heard of. I heard some one refer to it as 'being the best actor, & the best audience' we all get sucked in & believe in our own stories, that we are individuals separate from one another & from everything else. Like when you watch a brilliant movie with brilliant actors, & you really get into it & the world around you all but disappears, but you only come to realize you are in this state, or rather were in this state, after you have 'snapped' out of it and back into 'reality'.
So going with that idea, I think any notion of there being the purpose to existence, is already achieved by our existence as individuals aka our existence is our purpose. Beyond that, I think it's a case of picking your poison, no purpose can be wrong, it's just what ever you fancy. I don't think you can do anything wrong in this game, as I don't think there are any expectations of a particular result, which is what I think is meant by 'everything/one is perfect'.
Not saying any of that as a matter of fact, or even as my own opinion, pffft I can barely commit to what I want for breakfast, let alone an idea on the purpose of 'my' existence. :lol: I do like the idea though, & based on this idea, I don't think it matters what I believe, or what I do, there are no expectations for me or anyone to get it right other than my own & others expectations of me as an individuals, which would be part of the game. ... Or something like that. :? :lol:
Hehe, I will throw in my belief here... :-o
I believe we (humans) were created by other beings. We lived together here on Earth and once we were very spiritual and one with all.
Then something happened.
A war between... beings.
One won... Not of the good.
Our history was destroyed and hidden. They brought up a system which they evolved with at time which have conditioned us so badly that we simply have forgotten who we are. They have taken us over in many ways and use us as slaves.
The purpose of life here on Earth before all this was just to have an experience as humans.
Now... I hope the evil will disapear and love will enter and take over again... Universal Love.
And most of us can reunite with our families and begin to heal this planet and have a more beautiful experience.