What is real?

[MJ-12]

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[Athios]

quote:Originally posted by MJ-12
The great void of unmanifest existence is real.

Everything else, from rocks to people to God, is illusion struggling towards its own creation.

LOL! I don't necessarily believe it, but...nicely said.  []

[shadowatcher]

all matter is frozen energy, so, reality is simply a really big place full of frozen energy.[8D]

[Tab]

quote:Originally posted by MJ-12

I'll go.

The great void of unmanifest existence is real.

Everything else, from rocks to people to God, is illusion struggling towards its own creation.

[8D]

Agreed [8D]

[Varner-LaPrade]

Everything is here.Everything is not here.

Explains it all.

[Squeek]

I think someone summed it up pretty good in their signature once.  EDIT : I found it! Parmenion had it :p

Imagination is the beginning of reality.
You have no idea how close imagination is to reality ~ Jim Rohn

Heeheee I found it :p

~Squeek

[beavis]

Real is when a lot of life forms agree to think the same things exist. That energy attracts other thoughts about similar things, and it continues to get denser. Earth is very dense.

[lateralus897]

To me, everything you experience is real. I live by this, putting emphasis on imagination, dreams, and things I question the reality of.

[hashpuppet]

It's all much simpler than you think, anything you think is real is real. That doesn't mean everything you think isn't real doesn't exist, but everything that you think is real surely does.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

quote:Originally posted by lateralus897

To me, everything you experience is real. I live by this, putting emphasis on imagination, dreams, and things I question the reality of.

This is how I see. What you experience is real, though you may not be seeing the entire truth in your experience and thus your perception not be entirely accurate. But what you experience is your reality.

[Ensoñador]

We percive thanks we project. We live in our minds. Our experience  is a mental displey.  There is a  ONE THING living and experiencing itself as many. We dont live in a material world, we live in a mental thing. Cognitive psicology tell us that perception is a construction. We see things as if outside of us, but probably that is not true. Cuantic mecanics started to include conciouness in phisical phenomena. We dream and are being dreamed by some "Great otherness"

THe word re-presentation, mean a presentation of something for a second time. Whenever perception ocuurs, what we see is that second time play. We live in our believe system, not in reallity. We can expand our way of representing ourselfs and the others, OBE for example. A great Idea is taking place in everything, and some day that idea will be ready to end, and start a new cicle.

The brain is another ilussion, or at least shouldnt be take at the basis of reallity. Remember, when we see a brain, we are also looking to a representation of something unknown.
         
Thinking all this make me have headaches!!. I thing its better to exploring rather than expalining. Our explanations are always going to be parcial views.... We cant understand "our" universe just reasoning.

What is real?  I dont know for sure.

                                      Ensoñador

PD. A great recomendation on this topic would be to see the movie "Waking life", I,ll bet youll love it.

[RJA]

The ocean of consciousness that we often call God comprises everything and is essentially energy in a variety of forms.  In that sense all that is real is myriad forms of energy swirling around.

What we call the physical universe is likewise just a particular arrangement of various energy, as are our bodies.  In our case, consciousness (another form of energy) uses various types of perceptive biological constructs (eyes, ears, brain, etc.) to give subjective meaning to different types and arrangements of energy.  Blue is blue because we are biologically hardcoded to perceive it that way.  Likewise with shapes, sounds, etc.

That makes what we perceive as the physical universe "real" in a subjective sense but not real outside the bounds of our particular perceptive constructs.  This would seem to indicate that even in the absence of a physical universe meaning would still be subjective, subject to whatever non-physical perceptive abilities we (or other beings) bring to bear on the pool of energy in which we swim.

This would seem to indicate that if you continued up the spiritual ladder ultimately there would only be energy without meaning (because there would be nothing apart from the energy to perceive it and lend meaning to it).  And without an observer quantum physicists would argue that there is nothing to observe.  Thus, nothing is real and nothing really exists.  But I'm pretty sure that I'm missing something here and that somewhere behind it all is the all-encompasing consciousness that we call God. []

[D.E.A.T.H]

What is REAL?  Come to think of it this is realy something we will always ponder on.
Everthing we do see feel touch hear experience is basicly just electrical impulses interpreted by your brain like in the Matrix,
only their world is fictional and ours isn't or is it?
Think about yesterday, isn't it all just a memory, where you realy there and did you do the things you did, or do you just remember it?

So basicaly the past isn't real, only now while you are reading this it's real, but after a while you will notice that you only remembered this and so How can any of this be REAL!!?

[JoWo]

I would say that "real" as something that exists.  By this definition, even a dream is real, or an illusion, because if I have an illusion, it does exist as such, if only in my mind.  This means that there are different levels of reality, an illusion being the most fleeting one.  On the other end of the "reality-spectrum", the "most real" reality is whatever is the basis of everything.  I believe that this basis is the transcendent, unifying Whole of All that Is, which I call "All-Entity" because the prevailing concepts of God tend to be inadequate.

Jo.

[Nick]

Thanks for the nice thread fallnangel77. In reading over the last post by JoWo I have a comment. I wanted to say that I like what JoWo wrote. The "different levels of reality" makes sense to me, with the basis of the "most real" reality being the All or All-Entity.

This reminds me of something that I read recently in a nice little book called The Kybalion.

To quote: "There are many planes of Being-many sub-planes of life-many degrees of existence in the Universe. And all depend upon the advancement of beings in the scale, of which scale the lowest point is the grossest matter, the highest being separated only by the thinnest division from the SPIRIT of THE ALL. And, upward and onward along this Scale of Life, everything is moving. All are on the Path, whose end is THE ALL. All progress is a Returning Home. All is Upward and Onward, in spite of all seemingly contradictory appearances."


Very best,

[JoWo]

Thank you for your reply, Nick.  Your passage from the Kybalion is a good description of how I imagine the Great Reality.  An interesting aspect of this view is that it seems to oppose common sense.  We tend to think that the most "solid" is also the most real.  In court proceedings, the most  "solid evidence" is physical evidence, and nearly everyone thinks that rocks are more real than mental subjects.  Yet, on the scale of cosmic realities, the "grossest matter" is the most illusory one and therefore the least real.  

Also, in spite of the apparent divisions between reality levels, no divisions and separations exist, as viewed from the highest, most real, level of Reality.  This seeming contradiction is caused by the limitations in consciousness experienced by the inhabitants of the lower levels.  The smaller the scope of an individual's consciousness, the more separated and divided its world appears, simply because it can perceive only a limited subset of the Whole and cannot experience the interconnectedness of everything.

Therefore, our advancement up the scale towards THE ALL is not a matter of overcoming separation.  (Nothing is separated from form the Whole of THE ALL, or THE ALL would not be Whole.)  Rather it is the Awakening to the fact that we are already ONE, you, me, the Pleiades, Everyone and Everything [].

Warm Greetings!
Jo

[WalkerInTheWoods]

I see a lot people, especially those new to this, asking the question, "Was this real?". I can understand where they are coming from, but from where I stand it does not make a lot of sense to me. So I ask you, What is real?