What is the point?

[dentrakas]

Just die man!


dentro yparxei anthropos xoris dentranthropous

[n/a]

If you want attention, you got it!

 Go ahead, elaborate on the point you're trying to make.
 




                 We're waiting...

[darrenbeck]

....

[Adrian]

Greetings Darrenbeck!

quote:
my point is, there is no point to doing anything, why not just sit.

It is an interesting idea for sure.

But how long do you sit for, and do you eat and drink?

And, while you are sitting, would you not meditate on why you have incarnated into this particular life, and whether there must be a purpose that your are intended to fulfill?

Keep moving

Best regards,

Adrian.

[n/a]

Ah yes,

  I sat down once, for almost a year...
Then I realized If I wanted something I had to go and get it myself.  No one takes pitty on a sitter, you'll just get stepped on.  I had to get up, shake off the dust, and change my ways of thinking.  And no one told me to. It just came one day, the reflection of who I was, and I didn't like it. The hardest part was changing how I perceived everyday life.  I didn't focus anymore on the downside of things, and they became less of an issue. I had more time to reflect on the good points of each day, beit however small.  People seemed more enjoyable and I was in a better mood more often than not.  

I didn't sleep as much, felt healthier, and started a list of things I wanted out of life.  I planned for these goals and set about doing what was needed to attain them, some were for the future, some were for the years end. But I knew everyday that I was coming closer to getting what I wanted. And things will start coming your way and life gets easier.

It takes a little pushing or effort to get the ball rolling, after that all you need to do is steer it through life.

Take this life you have, and make it your own. Attack it, harness it,
change it, chew it up and spit it out.  And have fun being in control of things.

Now get off your butt and get things done!  You want a Corvette? Plan it out, make steps toward that direction...  How about an electric guitar?, get out and earn some extra money.  If you want an OBE? Demand it, desire and make it happen, you control it.  Your body will learn to listen and you will get results!

             Good luck.

  Nightflier...

[Rob]

Because...
Life has its ups and downs, it seems in fairly equal proportions. If you disconnect yourself all you have is a slightly wobbly middle line, which can get a bit boring at times - am there, doing that
So you want excitement, happyness, sadness, variability, changes or just the stability and general nothing of the average?

If life is getting the worst of you, I think disconnecting can be very valuable and helpful, to get your head straight, set your goals and generally figure it all out. Then when you decide to step back into the river of life can live it how you want to.



Edited by - inguma on 05 April 2002  02:20:46

[Invictus]

If I may play devil's advocate here for a minute, but only because I want to hear your replies on this What is the point of acumulating material things in this life when you will just die and take nothing with you. What is the point of acumulating knowledge in this life when you will just die, (re-incarnate?) and forget it all. What is the point of even having worthwhile knowledge if there is nothing you can really do about it in one lifetime. What is the point of living to learn some lesson(s) when you will just die, forget it all and repeat the whole proccess ad nauseum. Some say your return here is pre-planned based on very accurate future probabilities that will allow you to learn and grow. But in the end you are still just the product of your environment and the people and events around you. And it is all still just probabilities, it may not happen the way intended, in fact it may go horribly horribly wrong and set your development back ages. How can you make any real progress and not end up doomed to repeating the same mistakes in the same environment when you just forget everything and have to start all over again. And then you read/hear about all these advanced alien races and behold their achievments in wonder/awe and perhaps as something to aspire to. But then you learn that they live for hundreds/thousands of years and that they remember everything from their previous lives too. "If you can change yourself you can change your environment"? But it is only your perception that changes, not the world. Oh yes, and I've also heard/read about all that "your life is what you make it", "you can do anything", "insert optimistic clishe here" etc. Yet, it is just not like that for the vast majority of us. We live and die meaningless/robotic/pointless/controlled lives comprised of 90% needless suffering despite most of our efforts and 10% hardly worth mentioning. However, we are expected to perservere. To strive for... what exactly, what is the point, what is the reward. Enlightment perhaps, unity, which in fact is a loss of identity? Is any reward worth this and aren't there an infinite number of better ways to go about getting it. What idiotic higher power came up with this way of existing? Who in their right mind would willingly agree to come back to it, even after living here once? Maybe we don't even have a choice. Maybe we are just puppets. Controlled by a higher part of ourselves which profits from our experiences while sitting in some higher dimension all happy and loved. Occasionally sending us messages of hope/"knowledge"/love and whatnot to prevent us from giving up. This of course is just the tip of the iceberg. I could go on for hours just to have my post meticulously disected and see the same replies as always to almost every section of it. But are they original replies based on personal experience or irefutable proof or something equally believable, nope. Anyway, I think this enough for the purpose of this post. What are your real thoughts and feelings to all this?

PS - This post is not meant to offend anyone or their beliefs, only to provoke discussion. If possible, I would like you to avoid "faith" based answers, if possible

[n/a]

Invictus please...  Blah, Blah, Blah..
If you will check out the "Integral Philosophy" forum you will find the "Meaning of Life" thread there.

Darrenbeck stated a general plee. He didn't give the reason for his statement, so I suspected he could really be depressed or suicidal.
I gave him my understanding of getting through life, in a general nonspecific manner.
And you come in and shoot it down, like a pothole in the road(clishe).
I'm glad you feel that life is bullsh*t, I hope you get your fill of it! he he he...

                        Nightflier...

[Kevan]

Strewth mate - that was a hell of a "whats it all about Alfie" post.
I must admit to have asked myself most of the same questions on numerous occassion - especially at low points in my life..

The material things of the home, I gather to make my life more physically comfortable. The books I read and things I do (some successfully and some not) are to try and bring me hope. Hope for what may lie ahead, 'cause like you (I suspect), I would hate to think that all these tough lessons are for nought if we cant take the experience with us when we die, pass-over or whatever it is we do..

Why do some people have a breaze of a life and others have nothing but crap thrown at them from the day they're born ?  I dunno, but "Hopefully" one day we'll all find out. And thats it realy, its all just hope. Only the fortunates who have experienced anything other than this mortal life can actually say "I believe", for belief comes from experience and without experience we only have Hope...

[Mobius]

G,day Darrenbeck & Invictus!

I am sorry to hear you guys are going through this negative part of
your lives,but by the simple fact that you are on here asking
questions & looking for answers means you will probably find what
you are looking for.
I think everyone who is on this site has gone through exactly what
you guys are going through now.
Skeptics say that when we arrive at the point in time where you
realize you are on your own & your parents have died or can not
help you any better than you can help yourself,we all get this
question in our minds "Who is looking after me now?"
Unfortunately people realized they could make money of that single
fear "Now my parents/guardians are gone & I,m the one in charge now,
there has to be someone to fall back on,for guidance & advice"
& so we have religions.

If you look right now all around you where you are sitting,there is
the reason we don't just wait to die.Everything in your house or
appartment is made or thought up by someone who is probably allready
dead.Would you say that the person who invented the watch/art/books/
cars/bridges/chairs/tables/t.v/radio just to name a few drops in the ocean lived for nothing? after all they couldn,t take the car/t.v/
radio with them,but look how many people alive today are benefitting
from their work now!
We take for granted the things we do everyday just to exist & don't
realize how every little task performed either benefits you or others
for a long time to come.

Anyway I could talk for ages on this topic & good on ya,s for having
the courage to come out & say that you don't have all the answers to
life,neither do I,but if you do nothing all you can expect is nothing.

I wish the buck stopped here,as I could use a few.

Cheer up & good luck

Mobius

[bitsmart]

I dunno, Nihilism is gaining popularity as I write this. I hear they're going to start selling a fantastic new product for Nihilists called the Nihilism-o-matic. You simply push the big red button on this device and...can you guess what happens?

Spontaneous combustion maybe...hmm?

I'll refrain from posting my opinions on this topic, because it doesn't sound like fun right now. I'd rather post about General Metaphysics and Spiritual Development & Meditation.

Cheers!

bitsmart -
information illumination -
bitsmart@bitsmart.org -

[PeacefulWarrior]

Of course no one can really convince someone else about what great meaning life has, but one can prove that he or she is happy.  When you are happy then of course you desire to live life, to share and learn and do everything else that brings this feeling.

If you don't see the need to live, then you are not happy. . .and if you are not happy then there is something wrong.  What is wrong? I think that is the question you need to ask yourself before you decide that life is not worth living, and then fix it.  

I don't mean to sound flippant or arrogant, because I think I have felt similar feelings of despair.  I am no one to judge, so I am not passing judgement.  I just want you and everyone else who feels that way to get up and realize that life is eternal and it's now or later. Choose now.

"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"

[Invictus]

Dear Moron (aka nightflier101)

Invictus please... Blah, Blah, Blah..
If you will check out the "Integral Philosophy" forum you will find the "Meaning of Life" thread there.

- Oh yes, do forgive me for expressing my opinions here. I mean, it's not like I made a relevant reply to a post relating to the context of mine or anything. I didn't know I didn't have that freedom, I didn't know I had to scour the boards for the "Meaning of Life". What was I thinking...!?

Darrenbeck stated a general plee. He didn't give the reason for his statement, so I suspected he could really be depressed or suicidal.

- Oh, I'm sorry my post didn't touch you enough to feel like I deserved a kind reply. I'm sorry I didn't sound depressed or suicidal enough for you. "Kindness only to those who deserve it" isn't that right nightflier?

I gave him my understanding of getting through life, in a general nonspecific manner.
And you come in and shoot it down, like a pothole in the road(clishe).

- That's right! I came here specifically to attack you. If I had only thought ahead about how you might take it and said something like this from the start. "If I may play devil's advocate here for a minute, but only because I want to hear your replies on this " But maybe in your rush to get back at me for the sheer audacity I must have demonstrated you missed it. Perhaps I should have reminded you not to take it so hard at the end of the post as well. Oh wait, I did. "This post is not meant to offend anyone or their beliefs, only to provoke discussion". Dear God, what have I done!!

I'm glad you feel that life is bullsh*t, I hope you get your fill of it! he he he...

- Oh yeah, you sure told me where to go. Even so I'll still be here enjoying it long after your gone. he he he...

- Ok, that's probably enough sarcasm for one post. As for the rest of the people who actually took the time to write a meaningful reply to this post, thank you. It may not seem so now, but I do appreciate you input and have taken some of your comments to heart. I'm glad you saw this post for what it was rather than immediately assume the worst about my intentions or me.

[Qui-Gon Jinn]

NO POINT DOING ANYTHING?´

 I´ve felt like that a few times, I´m sure most of us have.
I don´t do anymore though, far from...  I´ve started viewing life here on earth from the perspective of a "Universe Career".
  Here´s is how I see it, very briefly;

From the viewpoint of a Universe Career, Earth´s challenges may just be ideal circumstances for our lengthy evolutionary process.

One long-term benefit arising from being here on this earth, under these often very "dark" (or what do you wanna call it) conditions and environments, and feelings of "separation", could be that our experienced "isolation" (from the spiritworlds and the more "lighter" realms) helps building a very strong soul that can live on hope alone. Our human souls must reach deep into inner resources to overcome war, confusion, poverty, violence, and ignorance.

A Universe Career spans much longer than a single human lifetime on planet Earth. Human souls progress on a path of development in a multidimensional Universe, depending on our choices and actions in our Universe lives, so it really matters what we choose to do, just "sitting it out" won´t serve any of us in the long run...

Looking at your life on earth fearlessly as a Universe adventure deepens its meaning (even if you believe you simply vanishes without a trace when you "die", try viewing it this way and you´ll have a hell of a more exciting and rewarding life here on this planet). Planning your life is more than a cradle-to-grave exercise. A successful life career includes activities and in-depth orientations that endow the soul for its continued career into the next
lifetime(-s). Life on Earth is part of one continuous cycle for the human soul, extending into other non-temporal dimensions.

 This is how I see/face life, as a Universe Career, and since I started viewing it this way all aspects of my current life on earth has been enriched largely....   as I said above, it takes on a complete new meaning..  

    Be well //Qui-Gon

- Your focus determines your reality -

Edited by - Qui-Gon Jinn on 07 April 2002  18:45:29

[MJ-12]

Id

[dentrakas]

Well let us sit

dentro yparxei anthropos xoris dentranthropous

[cainam_nazier]

Invictus.

That was a heck of a read.  Long.

My spin of things.(short version)
Maybe what you said is true.  But then again maybe it is not.  We exist to learn and grow.  To do so past our current state.  Evolution in the works.  I heard that a paper was published saying the evolution of man has stopped.  Stating so because it is now not only the strong that survive.  Not true however.  It has only shifted.  Our evolution is currently mental in nature.  The more it is done the more we break free of our constrants.  That is why we are all here on this forum.  Not every thing is lost through death, only that which is unimportant.  What is needed surpasses death and is passed on to our children and then to thiers and so on.  We live and learn not for our sake but for that of the next generation.




"My brain is full...Can I go now?"


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

[darrenbeck]

....

[distant bell]

Hm.. I think that it´s wery hard to pin down the point of living.
There actaully might be no point to life. Then why not just sit down and wait to die? - well, that´s not so much fun I guess... It´s funnier to go after the wild wierd game of life. Just do anything.

[muzza]

My advice is to hang in there....
I am struggling through probably the toughest period in my life at the moment. There have been many times in the last few weeks where I thought what is the point...may as well give up...but thinking that doesn't help. Yesterday I nearly became another statistic but the kindness of a stranger saved me!

Just gotta have some faith in humanity and your part in it all...

I'm now mostly ready to face whatever changes are coming! http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_big.gif" border=0>

-- Muzza

[eYeBallKiD]

Hey Invictus, I spent a good part of my life in that place.

At one point I read the book- Nausea -by Sarte, which at the time, seemed to cyrstalize my thoughts on the subject. Man, that is one depressing book!  But at the time it seemed to speak the truth to me. What turned me around and forced me to look at the matter differently instead of viewing it in reductive terms was a book by Colin Wilson titled,The Outsider.

Give it a read, it definitely changed my life. And give Nausea a read if you dare just for the contrast.  It's not for the faint of heart.
 
   -David

[distant bell]

I have read Camu- The Stranger amd Hesses - Steppenwolf, both have
affected me. Good or bad ? I don´t know.
I have been in that place too.. but sometimes it goes away leaving room for
happines and a sense of meaning.

-- Love is the Law - Love under Will --

[eYeBallKiD]

Hesses- Steppenwolf, should be read by everyone. Great book!
Best book on existentialism I have ever  read.

[Josh Redstone]

-N/A

Which do you think is less boring?  Doing nothing your whole life, or doing something while your here. I think doing something would be a little less boring and a little more fun. I await your answer.

[Josh Redstone]

Oops, I didn't meen N/A. I ment the other guy. The guy who thinks its all pointless. Darrenbeck. Thats the one. Sorry about the slip up.