Many people argue that 'air' is not an element. In fact i'm reading a book now that states it isn't, but instead is like a glue between fire and water, a mediator. I dont know if its true or not, but i know that it has to be some kind of seperate thing.
So i was wondering, what you air magickians can do with, air! What purposes do you use it for? I know it can be used astrally as well as physically.
I'm just a starter at this. What i've tried to do is:
1) picture myself 'dissolving' into the air, and then controlling it like that.
2) trying to sort of 'force' it to do what i intend (not a great option, and it didnt really work)
3) For lack of a better description, 'ask it' to move in the direction i wish it to.
4) Today i've just figured out a new way i might try: Instead of 'dissovling' into the air, becoming part of IT, i will try to 'suck it in' or make IT apart of ME.
5) Hope really really hard.... (just kidding)
Also, i find it 10x harder to do it indoors.
Any thoughts, comments, ideas, etc?
Anybody...?
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I'm not really an "air magician" as you put it, but I do work with the elementals in much the same way as angels. I find that if all else fails, a few well worded prayers in the direction of this element will result in a bit of serendipitous inspiration to do something, usually very non sequetur that ends up solving my problem. Don't know if that helps, or is anything like what you were looking for, but it is my experience, and I can share little else. :)
YAY! Anything is of use. Any thoughts, or whatever.
Thanks bloodsong! Anything ya'll want to share, including you blood is just what i was asking for.
Somebody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :( lol oh well guess there aint many elemental ppl here
What are all those elements needed for? Isn't it easier to just make a wish while in the trance and watch it happen?
If you want to research elemental magick, there's much info on summoning elemental spirits in "Summoning spirits" by Konstantinos(an excellent book btw). I can email it to you if you want.
Hey OrionsDream, :D
I could see that you got SO much feedback with your question, that I thought I might as well throw in something!
I have worked with all the elements, and YES air is one of them. What book is it that you were reading which called it "glue"???? That's just crazy!
Have you ever done magic which effected the weather - maybe moved a storm on so that it wouldn't affect what you were doing that day, or raised the wind? This is some of the magic you can do with air! Also, the element of air has a lot to do with wisdom and knowledge and intellect.
Another thing to think about is that in Qabala, Air is one of the three primal elements: Fire, Air, Water.
According to Qabalistic theory, those three were synthesized to create the Fourth Physical element, Earth, through the Spirit of the Creative Powers (not sure what God Name was used to depict this Fifth Element.)
Quote from: OrionsDreamMany people argue that 'air' is not an element. In fact i'm reading a book now that states it isn't, but instead is like a glue between fire and water, a mediator. I dont know if its true or not, but i know that it has to be some kind of seperate thing.
So i was wondering, what you air magickians can do with, air! What purposes do you use it for? I know it can be used astrally as well as physically.
I'm just a starter at this. What i've tried to do is:
1) picture myself 'dissolving' into the air, and then controlling it like that.
2) trying to sort of 'force' it to do what i intend (not a great option, and it didnt really work)
3) For lack of a better description, 'ask it' to move in the direction i wish it to.
4) Today i've just figured out a new way i might try: Instead of 'dissovling' into the air, becoming part of IT, i will try to 'suck it in' or make IT apart of ME.
5) Hope really really hard.... (just kidding)
Also, i find it 10x harder to do it indoors.
Any thoughts, comments, ideas, etc?
I just tried picturing myself disolving into the air and I thought of a direction for the wind to blow and it work! This is the first thing that has actually worked for me. Thanks alot for posting this OrionsDream.
3588.. :Np :) thanks for responding! Thats a good way, and if i find any more ways, i'll make sure to post them here.
Cacodemon- PLEASE EMAIL ME THAT BOOK!
thanks sooo much! And a use for elemental magick is that it can be used astrally too. I dont know a ton about this, but air is used as messaging in a way. Also its fun!
Wizard of Light: I was/am reading a ebook called "hermetics". I think it talks about air being like a glue, but still a element itself, and yeah it has a lot to do with wisdom and stuff.
Ever since i was a little boy i wanted to control air :P and i jumped for joy when i learned it was possible!
As for the weather thing- I have controlled thunder. Before I go further, the way I do my air magick is sort of silly, but its something i've gotten attached to. I use my hands and a bit of my arms to do motions when controlling air/etc.
So anyway, i was trying to make it rain, and when i did the motions it thundered. Not a loud crack, but a deep rolling thunder. i did it more, and more and it kept working.
Keep up the responses! thanks every! (you too bloodsong,srry didnt mention you, but keep going sounds interesting)
CaCoDeMoN-any chance you could mail that to me also?
:-)
karnautrahl@gmail.com
I am not sure if you were telling me to keep going, but if you want to read more on where I initially heard this from, I read it in Manly P. Hall's "Secret Teachings of All Ages, Chapter XXV, "The Qabbalah, the Secret Doctrine of Israel". You can read it here:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta27.htm
I've also read it through Regardie, but finding his books online is a bit more difficult as the Ciceros still own rights to his legacy of writings.
Bloodsong
Ok, I've just sent the book to both adresses, but I have an advice: NEVER leave your email address in an open forum, otherwise it can be scanned by a web bot and lots of spam guaranteed.
What email :roll: I dont see an email in my post :D
thanks for the book! and thanks for the link bloodsong!
Just a few things that have worked for me:
I visualize myself becoming/dissolving into air. The more comfortable I am the more focused I can become. Not to be nasty but being horny will totally screw up your concentration.
Yeah I definetly agree, being focused in a comfortable way is the key, at least for me. If I'm tired, it's a lot lot harder. Even if im just a little tired.
Also, inside a house or buliding it is 10x harder to control air, bc it feels like 'trapped' and not in motion (eveno tho it still is).
It's too bad we spend so much time inside!!!
Any other ideas/thoughts? thanks alex, that is a really good way. P.S. afteryou 'dissolve' into the air, do you feel like 'you are the air' and sort of try to control 'yourself' which is the air? Thats similiar to what i do.
I feel like I am the air and sort of visualize blowing past myself.
Yeah i c what u mean...
When I heard "air magi-ck",I think "climatic magics" :) Like rains and especially winds. But it takes some time.(like 2 days)
Elemental are more different to me. I used air creatures for get some knowledge...I don't know if it's a right usages of them...
Air is the element associated with thought and thinking, so using them for knowledge, including intelligence gathering (aka spying), is within the sphere of the abilities of the air element.
Bloodsong
I have a book that suggests getting to know all of the elements. When I focused on wind things in my house started tipping over or blowing away for no reason.....The door would even pop open. I think it's a valid elemental.
monicat
Monicat- IF IT IS AN EBOOK YOU MUUUUUST SEND IT TO ME!!!!! PM me or post it here, I dont mind but I would grately appreciate it if you would, sounds like it gives some good results!!!
The book is called Psychic Self-Defense...It was written by a woman known as Dion Fortune and originally published in 1930.
The book itself more or less eludes to magick. (she was in an order at the time) But, a clever person can pull a lot from it. It held my attention entirely. She can be a bit of a tough read....Written English in the 30's is not at all what it is today.
She wrote a lot of books. I'm really into them. I only have 3 so far. But, I will read them all.
Oh :( so they aren't on ebooks, but in bookstores only?
Why don't you want real books?
No, its not that. I'm still in high school, under the age of driving and my parents dont know a thing about this kind of stuff, so its near impossible for me to get a book like that and for them to not know.
ebooks r much ezer of course.
Quote from: OrionsDreamNo, its not that. I'm still in high school, under the age of driving and my parents don't know a thing about this kind of stuff, so its near impossible for me to get a book like that and for them to not know.
ebooks r much ezer of course.
I know what you mean. It's not that my parents would care (or even disagree) about stuff like magic and AP, it would just take too long and be too awkward to explain. E-Books are pure genius. 8)
I know!!
Imagine this
"Hi mom, I'm going to the bookstore to purchase a book on how to move wind, will you give me a ride?"
Yes ebooks are certaintly the pinacale of internet evolution in the past decade.
Not to continue my ramblings but how but this one, "Mom! You just ruined my energy raising! Now I will never AP!!". Good times, good times.
Here's a few more E-book libraries. I must say that I like the idea as long as it is the only option, but once you can afford it, if the books are still copyright protected, buy a copy, even if you have read it already. As an aspiring writer, I can say that I would like to have my things read, but for all the work I put into it, compensation is much loved.
If the books are copy released, though, no harm, the only one getting paid off of a purchase is the publisher. Unless it is put out by the smaller publishing houses, they make too much off their talent anyway. Getting as bad as record labels. Rambled on enough, now. Here's the links:
Not in ebook format, but you can bookmark a lot easier the place you are reading:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm
From the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn's public library:
http://www.golden-dawn.com/temple/index.jsp?s=library
Poking around on this site yields a lot of info, membership is free:
http://www.the-book-of-thoth.com/index.php
A standby and rather well known one:
http://www.esotericarchives.com/esoteric.htm
Hermetics home page, ebooks link on the right, lots of other stuff to see, too:
http://www.hermetics.org/home.html
Another site dedicated to Hermetics, but also has a slight Crowleyan focus:
http://www.hermetic.com/
And, as a Crowley reader, myself, I feel I should include a link that helps to explain Thelema, the spiritual path Crowley founded:
http://www.thelema101.com/index.html
Bloodsong
Great links Lola and blood! :D
YEAH!!! WOW these are awesome, thanks everyone!
Honestly, I don't believe in elementals. I do believe a person can be classified to an element and share many traits of that element. I am air. Yes air is and element. Think of elements this way. What are the four most destructive, natural forces, on the planet that we would all die without? Fire, Earth, Water, and Air.
OK, so what you are saying is that you believe the elements exist, but see no way they could be personified?
Bloodsong
more or less. The only type of energy that's able to be controlled to a point is Ki, chi, or qi. However you choose to spell it. I have tried working with elementalism before but trust me when I say this, it is only something that people wish that they could do. Everything about elementalism is only in the users imagination.
Quote from: LeonPrimroseI have tried working with elementalism before but trust me when I say this, it is only something that people wish that they could do. Everything about elementalism is only in the users imagination.
Well mabye you just suck at it.
Naw, besides what she's talking about is more like a kind of Psychokinesis instead of elemental work.
Pheraps Leon if you would give me some proof of what you say about elemental manipulation in either the form of a site or something, i'd be happy to trust what you say.
I mean i know you didnt just come to that conclusion without any evidence/proof. Would be like saying "bush sucks" and not giving proof of his actions/quotes that he has done.
Many people think that the control/manipulation of an element is a type of telekinisis or somethin.
QuoteWould be like saying "bush sucks" and not giving proof of his actions/quotes that he has done.
Funny, I was under the impression that at this point the only real evidence that was needed was a picture of the guy to prove this.
Case in point:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/images/20050823_p082305pm-0045jpg-515h.html
Bloodsong
lmao, dont worry i hate him too :P but just using it as an example. Maybe that was not such a good one, cause every1 knows he sucks lol
Lololol
Where's a tad more evidence ;p
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4441/pic28103tm0dh.jpg
I honestly dont know about anyone else hear but I am tied into the elements deeply. The only talents I posses at least for now are the manipulation of the elements. I can make it rain, windy, cloudy, cold, occasionally thunder and lightning but only happens in times of intense emotion. I have had this since I was little. around the age of five I would make little mini tornadoes (not 100 mph winds or anything more or less like 10 mph) around leaves and watch them swirl around. Its hard to explain this because its not really magic for me it just is there. I have never met anyone else like me though I have the knowledge that others are out there. huuuuuuuuu (deep breath) answers soon made clear