Hi, everyone, does anyone here know anything about Chaos Magick in the context of OBE/Astral Projection?
Sounds very interesting.
Perhaps explain what chaos magic is?? thanks.....
Blessed be!
www.chaosmatrix.org
I was just wondering were there any techniques based around chaos magick?
Jesus what exactly is chaos magic anyway?
Chaos magick is the holy grail to every anime freak who is interested in the occult!
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And to those who don't want to limit themselves to a specific paradigm.
As for techniques, probably every chaos magick site offers informations about sigils and "gnosis". I don't know if those things are especially based around chaos magick (somehow I doubt that), but who cares anyway ...
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/tomekeeper/begin/begin.html
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/tomekeeper/index.html
(^very good site about different types of magic^)
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Austin Osman Spare in his book "The Book of Pleasure" describes the theory of the Subconscious , He states that anything that passes to the subconscious mind avoiding the conscious , or rational, will manifest in real life. Here is a relation to astral projection , you know that to experience oobe it is required to master trance state, which means entering in the subconscious mind realm.
Quote from: daidaluzAustin Osman Spare in his book "The Book of Pleasure" describes the theory of the Subconscious , He states that anything that passes to the subconscious mind avoiding the conscious , or rational, will manifest in real life. Here is a relation to astral projection , you know that to experience oobe it is required to master trance state, which means entering in the subconscious mind realm.
wow, that's sounds mindblowing. Tell me more! where did you hear about his guy? got any links I should read?
many thanks.
A.O.S (Austin Osman Spare) was the first one in publishing formal studies on subconscious mind (even before than Freud and Jung).
He states that mind is split into three "levels".
Conscious mind (rational) - Subconscious - Unconscious
-Conscious is our normal state of awareness, here everything passes through complex net of logical and rational structures.
-Subconscious is just a messenger that gives information to thee unconscious mind, and vice-versa.
-Unconscious is the mind that keeps everything functioning and working in a way that rational mind can't do (heart pumping, lungs breathing etc.)
You see, unconscious mind has the energy and resources to maintain things working for an undefined period of time. Conscious mind cannot do that because of its rational structures that keep information (ideas, etc) in a , very extensive, logical motion.
AOS came up with a technique, called SIGILS, that consist in stating an idea and making it pass directly to the subconscious mind, avoiding conscious, so the subconscious takes it to the unconscious to become real "as a magical procedure".
As you see, this can explain very well some techniques as modern hypnosis, and some old magic belief as shamanism and some others.
Being able to avoid conscious mind means working in trance state (see relations to gnosis).
There is a lot of info about Austin Osman Spare, Sigils (and its "evolutions", servitors, egregores, god-forms). You can download The Book of Pleasure from many "Chaos Magick" web pages.
That really is interesting, explains a lot, if you in the UK and interested
in a well known UK mentalists called Derren Brown.
I will look into it.
I wonder if I can ask you a question, I wrestle with this all the time.
I think something is going to happen, and basically the opposite happens.
i.e I think something is going to turn out good a event or situation,
and it turns out bad, and vice versa.
I therefore, don't try to pre-judge the outcomes, which is just as stressful.
I dead something about this once, but can't remember where, there are theories about this.
Something like, your unconcious mind is actually ahead of you! And knows things are going to happen before you.
Or say you were on a pirates ship, and were on a plank, the fear of falling, would make you fall, I think because your worst fears become reality.
I really want to learn more about this, can you help me?
I suppose this helps to explain all this mind-split thing!
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Well, from what I gather, it's pretty much mixing a bunch of ideas into your own personal blend. Kind of like making a cookbook out of occult ideas. Chaotic as that sounds (pun intented) It fits for the kind of person I am at least.[/quote]
I think is about levels of understanding. What you understand by CHAOS???
If I were you, I wouldn't regard www.chaosmatrix.com with high standards. The entire website is based on a fictional item, the Necrominicon, from a book written by H. P. Lovecraft. The idea of chaos as a force of the universe to be evoked is valid, just not how they put it. If you want to start "chaos magic", I would suggest meditating upon the nature of chaos, how it connects to anything else, and build techniques upon this.
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If I were you, I wouldn't regard www.chaosmatrix.com with high standards. The entire website is based on a fictional item, the Necrominicon, from a book written by H. P. Lovecraft. The idea of chaos as a force of the universe to be evoked is valid, just not how they put it. If you want to start "chaos magic", I would suggest meditating upon the nature of chaos, how it connects to anything else, and build techniques upon this.
Read the story of FOTAMECUS on this site. It's a best explanation what chaos magick really is. If chaos would be something like an element, it would be elemental magic then.
Just because something is fictional, doesn't make it impotent.
"nothing is true, everything is permitted"
Quote from: Shadowarrior13If I were you, I wouldn't regard www.chaosmatrix.com with high standards. The entire website is based on a fictional item, the Necrominicon, from a book written by H. P. Lovecraft. The idea of chaos as a force of the universe to be evoked is valid, just not how they put it. If you want to start "chaos magic", I would suggest meditating upon the nature of chaos, how it connects to anything else, and build techniques upon this.
Well , magic (including chaos magic) , spiritual path, etc. are explained in a very specific symbolic language, the reason for this is to put in a safe place the keys of power. You may still find the original thread in many "fictional" texts.
Lets see the process of
expanding self consciousness (evolution) as a CIRCLE. Lets say you are at the beginning of this process, what you see from the perspective of this point is all you have to accomplish yet (all experiences you have to learn and get control over ). All this energies you have to learn and control may be seen as Chaotic energies (think about this).
In the other hand, if you have already completed this
Circle and are at the end of it (notice that the ending point is the same than the starting point in This particular circle), you'll see all the experiences learned as energies you have control over, this energies are Bright Energies (dominion), and you can command them to have certain influences over your life, and over those who are still in any point of this process.
You see that the starting point is the same as ending point; the absolute black is the same as absolute white; absolute evil is the same as absolute good in the perspective of this CIRCLE.
Well this is the base knowledge of chaos magic and is the key to building control over life.
one time I imagined an aura of swirling spiraling water around me, and that all poeple outside were covered in flames, during this everyone in the store looked at me with pale faces in fear, and were also shaking. this happened when I was buying stuff at a grocery store, and I don't know what happened anyone know what's up with that?
is it magick?
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one time I imagined an aura of swirling spiraling water around me, and that all poeple outside were covered in flames, during this everyone in the store looked at me with pale faces in fear, and were also shaking. this happened when I was buying stuff at a grocery store, and I don't know what happened anyone know what's up with that?
is it magick?
You probably have a well developed energy body. Why you did such thing? I am scared when I hear of such irresponsibility....
I suppose you could create a sigil to help you project. I'm not sure how well that would work, though, since sigils work best when you don't constantly think about them and the outcome you desire. If you're thinking about projecting a lot, it might be a waste of time.
Chaos seems to be more of a concept and a result more than a specific energy... all orders have their chaos on the horizon... I should read that site to be more sure though, I do like the idea.
Ahhh Chaos Magick, where do i begin? It is the idea of the universe i most resonate with, and its also the concept that got me into magick. While i currently have no experience with actually changing my reality :( i know a lot about the idea (im still practicing meditation, im not really ready to get to the trance state). Chaos magick considers itself to be a meta paradigm, a belief about beliefs. The idea is that faith or belief in something is not the end in itself, but the means to get what you want. Adopt whatever you need to achieve what you want, discard anything that holds you back. To change your reality you must get to a trance state and visualize a sigil or say a mantra (at least those are the most common methods) made from your intent. Those are some of the basics.
I have used a sigil for lucid dreaming that worked suprisingly well for about a week, and i still get lucid dreams here and there, just not directly from the sigil. Instead of getting to the trance state i would visualize it every night before i went to sleep, although i think its lost its potency for some reason :x .
And yah you could technically create a sigil to help you project, you can do whatever you want (including using cthulhu mythos as a belief system).
Quote from: tiberseptimAhhh Chaos Magick, where do i begin? It is the idea of the universe i most resonate with, and its also the concept that got me into magick. While i currently have no experience with actually changing my reality :( i know a lot about the idea (im still practicing meditation, im not really ready to get to the trance state). Chaos magick considers itself to be a meta paradigm, a belief about beliefs. The idea is that faith or belief in something is not the end in itself, but the means to get what you want. Adopt whatever you need to achieve what you want, discard anything that holds you back. To change your reality you must get to a trance state and visualize a sigil or say a mantra (at least those are the most common methods) made from your intent. Those are some of the basics.
I have used a sigil for lucid dreaming that worked suprisingly well for about a week, and i still get lucid dreams here and there, just not directly from the sigil. Instead of getting to the trance state i would visualize it every night before i went to sleep, although i think its lost its potency for some reason :x .
And yah you could technically create a sigil to help you project, you can do whatever you want (including using cthulhu mythos as a belief system).
what was your sigil to make you have lucid dreams?
Quote from: tiberseptimAhhh Chaos Magick, where do i begin? It is the idea of the universe i most resonate with, and its also the concept that got me into magick. While i currently have no experience with actually changing my reality :( i know a lot about the idea (im still practicing meditation, im not really ready to get to the trance state). Chaos magick considers itself to be a meta paradigm, a belief about beliefs. The idea is that faith or belief in something is not the end in itself, but the means to get what you want. Adopt whatever you need to achieve what you want, discard anything that holds you back. To change your reality you must get to a trance state and visualize a sigil or say a mantra (at least those are the most common methods) made from your intent. Those are some of the basics.
I have used a sigil for lucid dreaming that worked suprisingly well for about a week, and i still get lucid dreams here and there, just not directly from the sigil. Instead of getting to the trance state i would visualize it every night before i went to sleep, although i think its lost its potency for some reason :x .
And yah you could technically create a sigil to help you project, you can do whatever you want (including using cthulhu mythos as a belief system).
what was your sigil to make you have lucid dreams?
Ohh sorry, i kinda forgot to look where i posted, but what exaclty do you mean, do you want me to show it to you? Its much better if you make your own, so that your subconciuos actually knows what it means.
Quote from: tiberseptimOhh sorry, i kinda forgot to look where i posted, but what exaclty do you mean, do you want me to show it to you? Its much better if you make your own, so that your subconciuos actually knows what it means.
Well, I've never done a sigil, I hardly even understand how to create such a thing, I think it's something that cuts straight to your subconcious, bypassing your concious?
from what you know so far your correct :D !
this should help http://www.chaosmagic.com/archives/sigils/index.shtml
browse through this, it has some info on sigil making techniques, and why the hell you should use them.[/url]
I forgot to say that i tried the sigil again, i was trying to AP and i had started to get the heavy feeling when your body starts to go to sleep, i used the sigil to concentrate on so my thoughts wouldn't stray. The last two nights i have had more vivid dreams with lucidity in them. (The AP didn't work though :cry: )
alright now
Chaos Magic:http://www.realmagick.com/articles/80/1780.html
and the links
www.chaosmagic.com
www.realmagic.com
Gnosis
http://www.gnosiscentral.com/
go to the book online
and then look for introduction to gnosis
you'll find sigils in one of the links