Curses!!!

[xander]

I'm sorry that you experienced that. I have cursed and broken curses, most were very weak curses. There are indeed those who can curse people, many people though, curse themselves via their subconscious needs and desires. I've seen lots of people who desire punishment.

One guy I knew was constantly waiting for God to strike him down for his sinful thoughts, and he did quite a bit of things to himself via his own secret desires. I caught him crying in his room one time because he had had lustful thoughts about a woman. I tried explaining to him that God didn't hate him and that he wasn't going to be punished. Sadly the other xians around at the time encouraged his behavior.

My point is that often there are things about ourselves hidden to us that others are able to discover through observation, and with a few keywords they can get inside your head quite easily. Many fundies in most religions are easy to get to.

Xander

[Mustardseed]

Couldnt agree with you more. Met a lot of those types. This was actually my point and concern about Church Christians. They are so lulled asleep in a false security and think they are impervious to such things. Sad to say they are more open through their unspirituality, than most others and get singed easily.
I was suprised at the verocity of the attack, and I think that almost 15yrs in India had gotten me to a state of ignorance in a way. I saw sooooo much there and had a lot of experiences with negs but maybe had a special annointing (helper?) while there. I was also constantly aware and vigilant and would not have dreamed of exposing myself like that. It is a bit like germs. It requires constant cleansening (India). Coming back west I thought that I could let my hair down a bit sort of, and as I let down my guard I was struck. I had absolutely no buissness being there and should have left these people alone, but in my pride I chose instead to attack them. Anyway I learned a lot about spiritually fighting and I think it was worth it. I have tried to get these point across to many Christians but they take my openness and admission of fault as weakness and the general consensus is that I must not have been "really" saved []

So much for the Fundementalists. Their Churches are full of spiritually handicapped people, but it seems that this is true of other religions as well as groups. Even the Astral Pulse have their share. Just the Human aspect I guess.

Regards Mustardseed

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by Mustardseed

I have tried to get these point across to many Christians but they take my openness and admission of fault as weakness and the general consensus is that I must not have been "really" saved []

I've heard the "not really saved" line many times as well. There is a saying in many religions that God causes those who he loves most to suffer most. In a way I beleive it and wonder what lies ahead on my spiritual journey. I need to also let go of my anger towards God. I think my biggest concern is that if I work with angels or YHWH in the esoteric sense that i'll be let down. It's too easy to project human frailities on spirit beings.

Xander

[Mustardseed]

I think I have gotten a bad name here. Sorry guys I will stay in my section. Just thought it was interesting, and it was very intense for me.
RG MS

[Gandalf]

An interesting point is that curses are not just restricted to conventional 'magick'. Vindictive people who are christians, or any other religious group, are also known to pray to god in order to 'smite down thy enemies', this can be against an enemy army or on a more personal level, individuals that the person doesnt like.

By placing the 'power' of the curse onto god is no excuse whatsoever, as the intent is still the same, and ultimatly, its intent that matters. At least the magician openly accepts responsibility for his own actions.

Douglas

[Tisha]

quote:I think I have gotten a bad name here. Sorry guys I will stay in my section. Just thought it was interesting, and it was very intense for me.
RG MS

excuse me? did something happen here that the rest of us did not see?

[Mustardseed]

No Tisha Its just me being a sensitive wallflower[:I] I will get over it. (thought you guys here didn't wanna talk to me)

About the Christians being cursed it happends all to often without them wanting to do anything about it. I was very glad I had that vision of the woman telling me what happened that way I knew what to fight. Many do not. This is why I feel that Roberts book about self defense is groundbreaking. Though I do not see compleately eye to eye with him on some things and use other banishment rituals it is nevertheless in the diagnosis the answer lies.

An interesting verse in the Bible states that "the sins of the fathers shal be visited on the children 3 or 4 generations. I wonder if these negs that are used in curses as well as the negs picked up otherwise have a limited energy span.? It seems that unless they can somehow renew their attachments in their current target the curse is either ineffective or weaker somehow. I realise there are many differences in curses, some might even curse themselves so to speak by a continual yielding to very negative thoughts. Same principles at work

Regards Mustardseed

[Mustardseed]

Hi all
I have not previously visited this section a lot, Maybe becourse of alternative priorities. However I have had a very heart shaking and sobering experience with a certain witch and I thought It would be fair to explain to all. I realise that it could be  taken as a defeat to the Christian population but it is the truth nevertheless and if folks wanna take it that way it is their option. It concerns a experience I had  in 1990 while working in west Berlin as a Missionary.

At the time I was active in W. Berlin taking various aids through Checkpoint Charlie, I carried gospel tracts Bibles and a variety of medicines to aid detoxoification. We worked out of a Camper parked in a parkinglot on the highway and took the subway home after dodging the border. I was very spiritually proud at the time ( no need for comments here []). I thought I was "saving the world" so to speak.

I was also having a lot of very bad contention with a "brother" on the team, we were 6 people,  he was very pushy and agresive and I resented him.

At a certain point we visited a place in Prinzlauerberg E. germany known as a Hippie heaven and came in to what we later found out was a Witch coven. Contrarily to the counsil of friends, and inspite of having gotten a strong warning from the Spirit, I decided to go tell the witches about Jesus. Very proud and very fool hardy. After having met a few people and had some time there I met a Girl who was a professed witch. After talking to her at one point she looked straight at me and told me " I am gonna curse you"
at first I thought Yea ha ha whatever, but after coming home to the camper I started to develope pains in my chest. During the night I had increased pain along with a vision of the same girl explaing how she had cxursed me. I was diagnosed with a double pneumonia after puzzeling the doctors for 24 hours. I almost died.

During my time in the hospital my wife sent out a prayer chain and I had approximately 4000 people pray for me and i also fought my own private battle and was finnally healed.

My lessons through this were enormous, I learned sooooo much. Do not assume curses are not real, they are. You can avoid curses, and minimise their effect  and change a lot of things but they are real.

Regards Mustardseed