3 days ago i was training with energy when suddenly i couldn't do anything i felt a deep darkness inside me and i have realized that its a black magic i found the sowers : it was a little boy that i don't know.... the feeling was very scary all my energy has gone..... i don't know what that boy wanted from me but it was really hard to get rid of him maybe it's because a year ago i was training in black magic and a few month's ago i had a little deal with a demon (the deal is off now)
what I'm trying to say is................ don't mess with dark magic!!!
Dark magic should not be deemed 'evil' magick. Theres shouldnt be a 'good' and 'bad'. Is it evil if a shark eats a fish?
To us it would seem cruel if they killed a dolphin for food. But it is how they live. It is not evil, it is not right.
Dark magick has its own purposes, and ppl should know the outcome. I think dark magick usually has what we would call 'evil' outcomes, but that is the purpose of the magick. If that 'evil' outcome is ultimetly used for a 'positive' outcome, or what you wanted, it has served its purpose.
Sadly, most ppl don't know the consequences of dark magick. I dont totally, so yeah good idea, messin around with dark magick is a baaaaaaaaaad idea.
please some one else?
Hi electronic pulse, :D
I feel that you need to fill us in on this black magic stuff that you did prior to now, I am feeling that this is likely the key.
Have you been doing much magic work since then? Or is it only recently you started practicing some form of magic/energy work again?
The interesting thing is, you make a deal with something like a demon and they don't tend to just go away - whether or not the bargain was called off.
Do you do much protection work/Psychic self defense?
Don't worry I don't MESS with black magic like you.
I take it seriously, something you should seriously do. No offense.
i have removed that demon away off me, and yes i am doing allot psychic defense and no i haven't one magic work from then.
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i have removed that demon away off me, and yes i am doing allot psychic defense and no i haven't one magic work from then.
If you've removed it then it was not a real demon.
why he wasn't a real demon?
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why he wasn't a real demon?
Only typical negative entities can be removed easily. One person described his problems with demon on this forum(Psychic Self Defense section)
Only typical negative entities can be removed easily
i didn't say that i have removed him easily
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i didn't say that i have removed him easily
By "easily" I meant "before it will destroy your life completely, will corrupt your soul and irreversibly harm your mind".
But doesn't it depend on HOW you use black magick? (can it be used for *positive* purposes?)
Really there is no "black" or "white" magic, only magic. So of course you can use it for positive things! :P
All too many people get hung up on having to create all too many labels for things. MAGIC is MAGIC. :wink:
Good point, it's all about how YOU use the magic.
Dark and Light both have to exist for either to exist. (u know what I mean) That is universal law. Yin Yang bla bla.
I personally think it is unwise not to be familiar with both.
When it comes to curses and things of that nature...you need to be really certain what you are doing and you have to be willing to accept the consequences. I have found that if you don't keep your will focused for an astoundingly long period of time....Whatever energy you've put out there will come spiraling back to you....it's closest source. It's a fire that has to be fed or it will consume you. Does this make sense to anyone??
Even if you do it for justice, you have to expect to be judged, by the same measure and punished as severely.
If you use any darker ritual and don't stay focused until the end and then bind it, you gonna' pay! LOL It is walking a tight rope. So to anyone attempting darker works, their is validity to it....I think you should be familiar with all. But, educate yourself and take responsibility. Be prepared. It's not like some cookie cutter make bobby like me thing. You are messing with the will of others. And don't forget not to play karma police cause everybody has a little of that waiting around the corner. Im out! LOL
-monicat
I agree that there is dark and light in everything, one cannot exist without the other.
Understand that EVERYTHING that one single person does, affects every other person in the universe. We are energy, affecting the energy around us, which affects the energy around that which affects the energy around that, ect (you get the picture). We do a lot without even realising the affect we are truly having.
So, we do need to understand magic as a whole, to have any concept of what we are sending out and what that in turn might do, and what that in turn might cause to happen to us on its return. And believe me when I say it does return. Energy is like a boomerang - it goes out there and does what it needs to and then returns with whatever that energy has attracted. :roll:
As for "darker ritual" requiring more concentration, I ask you why? Is it because when you stuff it up the effects are more noticeable because you have sent something malicious out there rather than something pleasant? Both require equal concentration, we are just less likely to notice anything nasty happen to us if, for example, Sally gets our healing energy rather than Jessica! :shock:
Well you know you can send good out there and all is fine and well if you don't continue to stay focused. You can just lose yourself in the realities of everyday life.
It's like having a good dog or a sinister monstrosity for a pet. A good dog will lay down and behave and know when the day is done.
A sinister monstrosity will wait for you to fall into a deep sleep and then rip your face off. You have to watch it and be mindful of it constantly, and be self-assured in who is boss. Until you remove it from your presence.
I'm sorry but you can mess things around just by not staying focused for ANY kind of magic. It is just that you can mess things around MORE when it comes to the "darker ritual".
You might think that it doesn't hurt for the lighter-type of magic to go off on the wrong direction because of a lack of concentration, but lets take my previous example, where Sally gets the healing rather than Jessica. Sally might not be ready to face the issues that she has in her life. Having these issues thrown in her face from the magic we have done, may cause her headaches, nightmares, depression, and if her stuff being thrust in front of her face is too bad for her to cope with, she may even get to a point where she commits suicide. What kind of energy does that bring back to us?? :?
I really don't follow....
Wisdom and experience is what matters.
If you can't send someone positive, healing energy....without it coming back to bite you in the butt then IMO, don't quit your dayjob! LOL
Of course you can send someone positive magic, my point is that it still takes just as much concentration as any other type of magic. We shouldn't just take an "it doesn't matter" type of attitude just because you class it as "white magic". There is consequence to everything.
My example was, of course, an extreme one, but this is the type of responsibility we take on when we do any kind of energy work.
Quote from: electronic pulse3 days ago i was training with energy when suddenly i couldn't do anything i felt a deep darkness inside me and i have realized that its a black magic i found the sowers : it was a little boy that i don't know.... the feeling was very scary all my energy has gone..... i don't know what that boy wanted from me but it was really hard to get rid of him maybe it's because a year ago i was training in black magic and a few month's ago i had a little deal with a demon (the deal is off now)
what I'm trying to say is................ don't mess with dark magic!!!
Nah, I think YOU shouldn't mess with dark magic. (:
OMG I just can't believe that 20 people actually answered me thank you lol
Actually it seems that four people answered you, two of those got into a personal shouting match and blurred the topic instead of taking it into IM.
J.M.O.
Just My Opinion
Bloodsong
I agree completely. Sloppy magick of any kind is a bad idea. It always takes concentration and knowing what you are doing to be effective, just like anything else in life, right?
I am afraid I don't buy the "there is no dark magick, it's like sharks" idea at all.
There is totally black and dark magick and it is all about using our free will to choose. A shark can't choose. It just is. But we humans can and do. And for some reason people choose to align themselves with evil.
Black/Dark magick is a choice to stand up with the bad guys. You are consciously choosing evil, the dark side. Dark magicians do this for their own gain, to get what they want, often at the cost to someone else without care of the effects. And that is well.... evil!
Not at all like a shark who is just at the top of the food chain.
As E. Pulse has observed the outcome always sucks. The thing about dark spirits is they always LIE. (He is called the prince of lies after all) and due to the threefold rule (the energy that you send out comes back to three times. Cause and effect really.) you always, always get whacked. Really hard. With a big stick.
Meddling in magick when you don't know what you are doing, or don't really believe in it is a bad idea. Magick is powerful (On either side) and it's easy to get burned. I have seen, known and helped people recover from some really crazy things. Like those who think conjuring demons would be "fun" cuz they don't really believe anything will happen and don't seem to get that demons are truly evil beings whose mission is to destroy humanity.
E. Pulse, if you have really given it up, you should dedicate yourself to the light. If you have written a contract you need to get it back and burn it. If you received the dark baptism and signed a contract, you are pretty much hosed unless you do.
Going really far in the other direction is the best idea. Become a born again something. get rebapstised into the light. You need to practically join a monastery to recover from truly joining a black magic group. (It depends on how deep you got into it..)
And by all means give up all magick and occult activities until you have sorted yourself out.
Many of the charismatic christian groups do something called "deliverance ministry" to help with hard core demon removal and breaking contracts. Try the Pentecostals. The only deal is you have to convert.
The worst thing about this stuff is it has long lasting karmic implications and mess you up not only in this lifetime, but in all your next ones too.
Please make sure that demon is really gone. Often they lurk in the back ground or go dormant only to pop up again if you continue your occult activities.
If you want to know more about demons, read Ed Warren's book, "The Demonologist" (but watch out it, it's SCARY!) or Mcnutt's book "Deliverance from Evil Spirits."
Good luck and stay in the light! It's nicer over here....
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E. Pulse, if you have really given it up, you should dedicate yourself to the light. If you have written a contract you need to get it back and burn it. If you received the dark baptism and signed a contract, you are pretty much hosed unless you do.
Going really far in the other direction is the best idea. Become a born again something. get rhapsodized into the light. You need to practically join a monastery to recover from truly joining a black magic group. (It depends on how deep you got into it..)Please make sure that demon is really gone. Often they lurk in the back ground or go dormant only to pop up again if you continue your occult activities.Good luck and stay in the light! It's nicer over here
don't worry i didn't get really far away with the black magic and the demon is 100% gone and I'm already in the lite side
but anyway thank you
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and don't seem to get that demons are truly evil beings whose mission is to destroy humanity.
So why nearly all the demons I've summoned were nice and helpful? I guess that most problems with summonings are caused by people who are trying to abuse summoned spirits by commanding them and use abusive summoning methods.
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E. Pulse, if you have really given it up, you should dedicate yourself to the light.
I think that dedication to the light is as bad as dedication to the darkness(as you call it). Can't the people just be dedicated to finding their own true joy, to finding true harmony and balance through spiriual evolution?
By dedicating yourself to whatever side you are joining a war, and every war has many causualties.
Seems to me like that is gray magic, everyone out for themselves. A. Crowley was a the founder of that school and he came to a very sticky end did Uncle Al. "do what thou wilt...." was his motto.
Personally, I think "playing" with demons is is a lot like playing with a loaded gun. I know that lesser demons are around in plenty and are easy to command, I just think that will come around to bite you some day. I have been around in the magickal worlds going on 20 years now and that is what I have seen over and over again.
Since this is a forum, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and experience and you will of course go on with life and magick in your own way....
But do yourself a favor and read Ed Warren's book "the demonologist" I would love to hear your opinion after you have....
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But do yourself a favor and read Ed Warren's book "the demonologist" I would love to hear your opinion after you have....
I'd rather stay ignorant on the subject.
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I think that dedication to the light is as bad as dedication to the darkness(as you call it). Can't the people just be dedicated to finding their own true joy, to finding true harmony and balance through spiriual evolution?
By dedicating yourself to whatever side you are joining a war, and every war has many causualties.
i think that what you said was relay true and right every person need to do what he feels that is true for himself
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By dedicating yourself to whatever side you are joining a war, and every war has many causualties.
Personally I believe that everyone is already in a war. The sides however, are not based on what type of energy or magick you use. I personally only feel comfortable using light energy and am solely interested in making sure I do what's best for people. I have made allegiances with darker people who are interested in the same thing.
You can be dark and do good, you can be light and do evil. The choice as to which you do is what's gona bite you in the bum, as it were. It's a good idea to know what dark magick can do, it's a good idea to know what light magick can do. But if you want to gain any power and follow through with what you see as being right... I suggest you do choose a path and stick to it, rather than dabble in this gray area.
Magic is, as Stated by Aleister Crowley, "the science and art of causing change to occur in conformity with will." If this is true then any magical act can be reversed with an equal amount of force. It is completely possible to get rid of any malicious influence in your life with an equal amount of counter-force. The remedy for a demon all depends on the amount of power that demon has, but you can be rid of ANY demon with enough force; contract or not. My Friend and I created a temple dedicated to the forces of Lucifer, using the Goetia and various black arts. For three years my life was surrounded by macabe, evil and death. I had vivid "hallucinations" of bloody torsos and furry babies with bloody heads. I was diagnosed with schizophrenia, which they believed to be the cause of sleep deprivation. I could not sleep for fear of hell. I had nightly dreams of hell and demons. My room was infested with evil figures and malicious shadows. It took a year and a half of constant exoricms and homemade holy water to get rid of the visions but I did. Almost anything can be reversed with enough will, but there is a Point of No Return; it is a complex ritual called The Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. STAY AWAY! The effects of this ritual are irreversible. Consider yourself forewarned.
Im wondering where you all learn't magic? I looked on google and found only crap websites where you get 8 candle's and look in the mirror :P
I dont do magic, I do psionics, but they are very similar. Some say they are the same. I did lots of my initial learning from the wingmakers site, but the site I would recommend using to learn psionics is //www.psipog.net
Some Facts:
Black magic is part of the evil of this world. Those who pursue it - will definitely receive their punishment from God. Your question is whether it is God's will to have black magic! it is an agreement between practitioner and the demon. Only god can save you if you truly wishes.
Why do people resort to black magic, Jadoo, etc.?
Generally, people are driven to black magic due to jealousy.
When a person has a flourishing business or popular and holds a distinguishing postion in society, etc. this is not tolerated and accepted by others. People desire that those prosperities be taken away from their brother. This jealousy causes a person to harm his brother. His ultimate purpose is to cool his eyes by witnessing his brother's downfall. Thus he stoops to the despicable and Haraam act of Jadoo to achieve his ambition.
more info: http://www.quranichealing.com
More facts. Magick is not black or white. It is a pure force in the Universe, and thus is neutral, just as is creation itself. Good and evil are concepts that we wrap morality around based on instinctual reaction to certain intelligent stimuli.
Black magick does not exist! Magick is a force used just like fire. The only thing that can be called "Black" would be the intent the magick is used to further. Just like it would be a "black" application of fire when used to burn down the home of someone who slighted you.
Those who pursue magick in any of its various true forms have need to fear no divine retribution. Those who engage in acts that can be considered immoral need fear that. Then again, morality is a personal choice, so given that idea, it is really hard to say just who will receive that retribution, isn't it?
Bloodsong
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Why do people resort to black magic,
I have resorted to black magic because of the contract with the demon
and just so you'll now i have putted him into some thing like "astral jail" and now he can't get out
(<MUAHAHAHA>) :P
You asked me to reply, and I'm doing so right now...
Mr.Maximillian, why didn't you tell them anything of MISTER FUJI!?!!
Shame on you! Shame shame shame!
Note to other members: I happen to know "Electronic pulse" in real life. Who do you think tought him all energy/spirit related stuff?
As for your demon, he was no more than a playful punk. Not a real threat in my book. Oh, and he is in no prison. I have just talked to him yesterday :lol:
Ohh Jenia Jenia Jenia....
did you HAD to tell EVERY-BODY about Fuji?
...... and I know that the demon so call "Z" was poor (and stupid)
(just to bad i realized that to late :? )
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Mr.Maximilian
and stop calling me Maximilian my name is max :evil:
Hah, his name was Crowley? Did he have a Bentley?
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Sorry, never mind me.
Magic, (note the lack of a 'k.' There is no 'k,') or the manipulation of spiritual energies, is much like science. Like has been said, it can be used for good or evil, to create or destroy - an atom bomb versus a vaccine.
With that said, I'm going to refer to "Black Magic" as the use of magic in destruction or for self-serving purposes.
I would recommend not jumping into the Black Magic unless you're a twenty-something or younger goth type who thinks it will make them hardcore. Usually everyone just laughs at them, anyway, and they don't end up doing a lot of damage.
Now, when you've got the intense serious Black Magic types, you want to watch out. Scary folks.
Stick with safe, garden-variety charms unless you really want to devote your entire life to it, because it'll take up all your energy.
I have a few questions for those who replied in this topic. First, how would you conjure a demon and make a deal with it I'm just curious.....and Second, i heard a story of people by focusing amounts of negative energy were able to create "dark creatures" that they could control to inflict minor harm....I was just wondering if you guys could help me out and just give me your thoughts
-Astral Raven
To give enough information for this to be of use to you, it would require more area than is allowed by the forum, probably.
If you are truly interested in these topics, it would be much easier to read up on it. Either Google search on demon/angel/entity conjuration, and entity creation, or go to Amazon and look for books on the subject.
Bloodsong
Dark magic...
I like have fun with my spells. Sometimes I'm doing some "good" spells for reduce the affects of my "dark spells". And during this time I play "the angel grll":)) It's too funny as me... :lol: :lol: :twisted:
so exactly how did you meet this demon? and how did you learn all this stuff about dark magic?