Maybe your magic can help you go up to a girl in a bar, or say hi to someone hot walking down the street. That's a good start. Don't think a spell will help you in that arena. Personally I don't think it holds any real power at all... and I would certainly like to watch you try to get the world to spin the other way.
A woman is not going to fall into your lap, something you have to work for.
I think you have to put some trust in the forces that work around you and which you´re not conscious of.
Maybe you now consciously want to find your love, but the part of you that´s unconscious intends different. The conscious part of you is like the tip of an iceberg compared to the unconcious part of you.
By the time that you really want to and are really ready for it you will find your love for sure.
But I think love you do not make or create consciously; love has to arise spontaneous!
Eeb
A classic problem. In general, serious magic-types tend to be solitary, studious, and introverted. We don't get out much. Bars and nightclubs hold no appeal for people like us. Also, it is hard to find other magic-people . . . ordinary people (muggles) hold no appeal! And then, when we're in a relationship it's hard to maintain, due to the emphasis upon transformation . . . which means we tend to transform ourselves out of relationships faster than your typical muggle. Such a dilemma!
But, to me, it is worth it, to take the EFFORT to find a partner (it IS work!). I crave solitude for my studies, but would rather be in a partnership than not (resulting in my former situation - a long distance relationship).
This is how I found him: I put out my magic antennae. If it were not for my antennae I would never have found him . . . a manager in my company, 13 years my senior, on the other side of the country and married for god's sake! How inappropriate is that? A MARRIED MUGGLE? If I did not have my antennae up, I would have passed him right over; in fact he wasn't even my "type!" But the antennae said "BOINGGGGG!!!!!!!!!" and for months I was really, really, confused. And then voila, he was divorced, and for some mysterious reason, he came to town and we found we just couldn't keep our hands off each other, despite the fact that we weren't each other's "type!" And it turns out he is descended from an occult family (Italian strega). It blew my mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That was almost 5 years ago. I said "former" relationship, but events are twisting and turning in magical ways and there is no saying how things will turn out in the end. My dreams tend to be prophetic, but the jury is still "out!" In the mean time, I still have my antennae on.
My point here: Do not look with your eyes. Put out the magical antennae. Its criteria are magical. You will be surprised at what makes them go "boinggggggggg!"
I wasnt expecting such quick replies so soon. Thanks guys.
I do go up to a girl in the bar. (I did that today) Nothing happens!
Girls have fallen into my lap. (it happened today) Nothing happens!
I do trust in the forces. (like I did today) Nothing happens!
My antena is always out. (like it was today) Nothing happens!
Why do you think I sent this post? I need help beyond the 'you are just not trying hard enough' or 'you need to be patient' or 'your time will come' senarios.
nothing works... I try so hard... and at times I dont try so hard... but still... there has to be something wrong with me... Maybe I was never meant to be with anyone? Maybe im just not designed for that... but please.... why torture me about it?!
I dunno... just, nothing or no one works. and im not just talking about a gf either.... im talking about a true friend...
Why is it so hard for me?!
Sometimes I feel that my life would be better off without this magical path. Sometimes I feel I wish I never understood the things I do now. Sometimes I feel that I wish just a normal bob or joe so that I can just live a 'normal' life like everyone else.
If magic is so powerful then why cant it even at least bring two people together in the same place? Even if they dont talk or meet. At least if it was real they would be in the same place. If magic was so real, then you could just feel happy by looking at someone and know they are in the same situation as you. But where is that even?
I mean, even nature brings insects together to mate... but not all of them do mate and some end up dying. I sat next to a lake once by myself and watched thousands of dragonflies doing their thing for hours. Where is the person I could do that with?? Where is my friend that I can simply just walk through a forest with??? Where is my life gone?! Am I meant to just be with myself? I just dont.... see why it is this way...
Am I just oblivious to the fact that I am alive and this is the way life is? Even if the magical path I follow isnt the truth I think it is, wouldnt that mean that somehow somewhere along the line a 'normal life' option will present itself? If there is more than one path in life for me to walk down, then how come there is only just one path in front of me? Even if I chose to follow the path around the corner...
All magic has done is create the same 'story' over and over again. It dosent change! It wont change! Im stuck... everytime I think I have acheived something somewhere, I get shoved back to square one as if I was not meant to advance. As if "for being the person you are, you will suffer" is the only rule. Sure life is great and all... but magic?
Why wont the spirits listen? Why dont they help? Why do they just sit there and watch me? Why do they let things repeat themselves... not just with events but with things like identical birth dates and names and even....... death.
Does anyone share my feelings or am I to continue believing im the only person in the world where the rules just dont agree and no matter how much magic one might think they have... nothing seems to work. Nothing except everything that you dont ask for...
It is just mathematically impossible for all of this to be true! SO why then is it true?
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there has to be something wrong with me... Maybe I was never meant to be with anyone? Maybe im just not designed for that
wwoo wwoo. That you didn´t encounter (still) your best friend doesn´t mean ofcourse that there is something wrong with you. Ofcourse there´s nothing wrong with you.
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Why wont the spirits listen? Why dont they help? Why do they just sit there and watch me? Why do they let things repeat themselves... not just with events but with things like identical birth dates and names and even....... death.
YOU are in control of everything, only you don´t realize (still).
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I mean, even nature brings insects together to mate
So what do you understand with nature? Why would insects be puppets without willing? On a technical level, insects produce a substance called pheromones that enables opposite sexes to find eachother. You can say that between 2 people attracted to eachother also exists such a kind of chemistry...
Just don´t worry and let things come along. If you think or experience the magical path (whatever that may be) standing in your way; then you have to reevaluate wether you want to continue with it or change your direction.
Skymageinfinity,
It might seem unfair, but capable women run screaming from men who put out the kind of vibe that you are putting out. It is no wonder you are coming up empty-handed.
Do you think that by simply believing in magic, that things will fall into place for you? If this is the case, you don't know anything about magic!
Here is where to start: Yourself! Keep your magic antennae out, but STOP LOOKING! YOU'RE TRANSMITTING ANXIETY AND DESPERATION! Even if you do not think of yourself as anxious and desperate, it is the vibe you are putting out.
You need to become the kind of man who actually has something to offer to the world. Build your power-base! Prove yourself to be a man who will take the initiative and effect change. Women can't resist THAT vibe.
Life is not fair. Being nice is not enough; it's a jungle out there.
Alright, I normally keep this a secret, but you seem quite distressed aobut women, so here's the secret to finding love. First you need to find eye of newt (pick it up at your local grocery store). Next you need to catch a male bat and cut off his testicles. If it only has one, that should suffice. The last two ingredients are 5 hairs from a 5 legged goat, and a toe nail clipping from your left big toe! Mix them all together in a blender with some ice cream and chant "oh powers of love, my antennae is up and I am ready to recieve you" over and over again while drinking the concoction upside down. If done properly a dimensional gateway will open up and your soul mate will fall right into your lap. Hope that helps!!!
I am stuck in pretty much the same perdigament as you. Cept I'm in a school where there are so many tempting girls, yet I hardly even know any of them, most of them aren't in the same grade as me (the school did this retarded thing where half the 10th grade goes to one school, half to the other, so of course most of my friends end up in the OTHER school). Needless to say I haven't gone out with anyone in a while, but the last time I did I noticed something perculiar. Before I started talking to my (now ex) to be girlfriend, we never even noticed each other in the hall. Then one day we just struck up a conversation (we used to be friends a long time ago) and then from then on we kept running into each other all the time! Nothing changed, except my outlook on things. It has to do with how minds react on the subconcious level. When you are lonely and depressed, unfortunately for us spiritual types, this is magnified and projected. But when you are in an uplifted and confident mood, its a whole nother world. People you would have never thought they would have talked to you start talking to you, people that normally treat you like crap start acting a little less like a jerk toward you.
It all has to do with confidence. If you get all high strung about it, always asking when you're going to find love, it will never happen. Relax, have a little hope, and don't think about it too much. It works.
Telepathy can be used to find somebody you will probably like before you talk to them. That is how magic can help.
Just from your replies I have an idea of what kinda people you are.
I can tell The AlphaOmega is a CLOWN!!! No respect for the seriousness of the matter.
The Seeker, eeb, beavis and PyroPsion69 although obvious, are likely to become my good friends in real life... simply because they are kind and have a genuine heart to help me (at least in this post).
And TISHA would be one of those women that would try their witchcraft to get me, but wouldnt have a chance because Id smell their magic a mile away. Havent you ever heard of filtration? Obviously if women like you run from my 'negative' vibes (without even knowing if that was the real me or not) you will most likely not even notice the other positive extremes of me, and you would just be wasting my time. *HSSSSS*
My point is, that I dont believe magic is as strong as people think it is. No one has presented to me a real solution for LOVE using magic. LOVE is the only thing that has been proven to me to be more powerful than magic. That really is what I was trying to get at (if you havent already noticed). Also, Im not necessarily talking about the physical human side of LOVE either!
I trust in the spirits and my magic is constant. Howwever, I find it hard to speak the same language of the spirits. I have changed to them, because ive gone through some kind of spiritual metamorphisis process that I can not understand. And because of that, I am unable to speak to them as much as I used to (when I had more power for love) and was wondering if there was a way of somehow finding that power again and restoring it.
As for the Chemistry... Im not a dragon fly- they are too common. Id be the lone scorpion out in the hot desert. I only come out once in a yellow moon to play with all my friends. Im only out to get stung or to sting! Either way, I just want that exchange in power- that which I call love.
Gee wiz, sky. Everyone has given you good advice, some bluntly and some not so obvious. Don't be so quick to judge. Look beyond the surface of the words for the meaning.
The world is not fair, atleast on an individual level. No one is guaranteed to find some soul mate and be happy the rest of their life. The only one torturing you is yourself. Learn to be happy where you are right now with yourself. Stop looking outward for your happiness and love because ultimately it starts and ends within you. Change your perspective. Don't be down just because it is raining. Go outside and play in the puddles. You might always be alone, but atleast you will have fun dancing in the rain.
You don't find love; love finds you! [;)]
in other words, you are maybe One boring Gay!
looking for his similarity: "is this..-like me?"
looking to find the same male mind, on his own likeness.
stop searching! in mirror is your love! you have found him!
Tisha is right about the vibe thing. Everytime I've found love it's been when I wasn't looking. If you're confident, and you get involved in things that you are genuinely interested in, you will find like-minded people.
If for instance.. you like yoga, so you join a yoga class. You will meet like-minded people (not everyone there, but some). But, if you join a yoga class for the sake of meeting people, you will come across as needy and push people away.
You do not need 'magic' to make friends, so don't rely on it. Hope I was of some help. Good luck.
*ignores Azaithoth999 the red*
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Originally posted by Nagual
You don't find love; love finds you! [;)]
Assuming love does find you, how do two people find each other if neither of them are looking to find love?
I dont understand how this can happen unless two people bump into each other at the exact same second of time at exactly the right place in exactly the right way. For this to happen it would require Divine Fate or one hell of an 'impossible' coincidence.
From my experience if this crossing of paths between two people occurs, it usually is perfect for a few minutes or hours... and then its all over.
If coincidence (instead of magic say) is so mighty, why then will it take forever to bring two people together just to take them apart again? This is what I meant before when I said,
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It is just mathematically impossible for all of this to be true! SO why then is it true? [;)]
All I am trying to do, is try and understand the dynamics of this 'match making' system so that I can maybe find a way to 'crack' it. This is the reason why I must sit and ponder the most 'negative' 'vibes'. If I keep with the same mind set, I will not learn anything new! And when I change it as a tool to help me, people instantly assume that I am that kind of person. This really diarrhea me since most of the times people think of me for something I am not. And once their mind is set, I can not change it.
I am sure understanding how the universe 'matches being' will be much easier than understanding the stupidity of human nature into not seeing what really is there in front of them and then not knowing what it means [once(if) they do indeed see it].
Also, why is it so much easier for us humans to destroy love than it is for us to make it?
Perhaps a translation is in order.
You stated, basically, that you are looking for a match, the one who is just like you - - another "Scorpion."
Your match is in the mirror. Your match is another man. This is why Azaithoth teases you so mercilessly.
If you are looking for your match in a woman, therefore, you will always come up emptyhanded! If you wish to succeed, start looking for your polar opposite!
Also, if you REALLY yearn for companionship, kill the scorpion. They are solitary, cranky creatures unfit for human companionship. My bobcat-teacher tells me they are crunchy and good with ketchup anyway.
Just because my match is in the mirror, it does not mean it is another man. And dont think I havent thought about it.
I get along better with females but my magic works better sometimes with some males. I never asked for someone to be my sexual partner. You and your chump Azaithoth are just as bad as each other.
Also, if you REALLY yearn for companionship, kill the scorpion. They are solitary, cranky creatures unfit for human companionship
You really make me laugh you know. Really shows what kind of twat you are being. You either have no idea or are just playing stupid! *shakes head*
And btw, how do you know Im not setting you and your bumchum up for bait? There is much more info about you two than there is about me. Do not overstimate yourselves! You really think I didnt know you were a moderator? HAHAHAHAAHA
And you see that thing infront of you called a monitor! No flaming sword can fly through there. That is if your precious Azaithoth even knows what a sWord is.
But dont worry, I know your 'monitor' tricks... Im sure everyone has dealt with the "I rule the forums" syndrome...
*sigh*
It's been said that relationships are about chemistry, but really, relationships are about an exchange of energy. When you meet someone, there's a pairing of the chakras (which I've talked about briefly before). If there's a sexual attraction, for instance, tentacles reach out and pair you off at the root chakra, and an exchange of energy takes place. Normally women are more receptive, and men are projective. That means that men (theoretically) give off sexual energy, and women receive it, and it makes them feel good (usually semi-subconsciously). This is the basis of a woman's sexual attraction to a man.
The type of relationship you develop with people depends on the type of energy you give off most prominently. For instance, a "soulmate" or *true love* relationship would be paired off primarily at the heart chakras (and actually, all of the chakras), and exchange a higher vibration of energy.
I associate a "buddy" or "pal" type relationship with the navel chakra, though I haven't really seen anyone else who does this.
A relationship where one person is under the "dominion" of the other, or is subservient, would be the solar plexus, which has to do with Will. But I digress.
The point is that you attract women based on what kind of energy, and how much of that energy, you're transmitting subconsciously (usually) to people. Sexual energy is basically a necessity if you want a romantic relationship, or even if you only need it for an initial attraction. Sometimes we have inhibitions ingrained into our subconscious about sex, that we don't even know about. They feed off your sexual energy and basically drain it before you can send it out to attract someone. Introspection is necessary to determine if you've got anything like that going on.
Tisha gave some great advice, and it's especially helpful since she's a woman. When you're told that women are attracted to confidence, it's for the reason that I stated above. Being confident and self-assured lets you project your energy outward, rather than being self-critical and focused inward. When you're too critical of yourself, and worry about a woman's reaction to you, you're being too receptive and basically reversing the gender roles. Since attraction is mostly subconscious, this is a real problem.
Also, it's possible that you're trying to get something out of a situation that wasn't intended for that result. What I mean is, do you think God (or the Universe, or whatever) is going to set you up with your soulmate while you've still got insecurities and inner conflicts that would screw up the relationship? If you don't have trouble meeting girls, but just can't get the relationship you want out of them, try changing your attitude and expectations. Don't envision everyone you meet as the person you want to spend the rest of your life with. Treat them as opportunities to work out your insecurities and demons that will threaten your *real* relationship later on in life.
A good rule of thumb to remember is that God isn't going to put you into anything that you're not ready for. If the thought of being alone completely freaks you out, then you're probably not ready for a real, healthy, blessed relationship. That fear of being alone will mess things up for you later on if you don't work it out beforehand.
Aside from this, if you don't want to wait for God (or yourself) to work out the problems you have, and want a relationship RIGHT NOW, then yes, magick can be used to manipulate other people. With direct energy work, with some proficiency (maybe a year of working with energy *well*), you can consciously increase or decrease the flow of energy between yourself and another person, effectively altering their mood and subsconsious thought patterns regarding you. In my opinion this is pretty shady business, and you shouldn't expect to get any deep meaningful relationship out of it - well, no more than if you were to make it a habit of lying to women to get them into bed with you. Manipulation of people tends to be out of selfish desire, and isn't really helpful for spiritual, magickal, or any kind of personal development. But I'll leave the ethics to your conscience.
Paul
"I do go up to a girl in the bar. (I did that today) Nothing happens!
Girls have fallen into my lap. (it happened today) Nothing happens!
I do trust in the forces. (like I did today) Nothing happens!
My antena is always out. (like it was today) Nothing happens!"
Maybe it's you that's not happening.
When you go up to a girl in the bar or whatever,
what do you do/say?
You can't make someone love you, I believe.
You can make them -think- they love you. But that's all.
But I'll marry you, if you're that desperate =)
Woah! Thanks for your thoughtful reply Cruel Tendencies. I have to admit you are the only person that has really gotten to the point unlike other people (not to mention any names- you know who you ARE!)
lullabi: 95% of the time, I am purely honest, straight to the point, and am not afraid to get where I want to get. In otherwords, I do a good job at expressing my true self. I go with the flow, and if I am not interested, then I stop there. I do put up alot of barriers, but that is my way of making sure not just anyone talks to me. I am patient and I am willing to sacrifice a few people along the way in order to reach my objective.
Cruel Tendencies, I can usually see the tentacle attraction between other people... Just not myself for some reason. I guess that is what I am trying to figure out how to do. How to see MY energy flow with others is my concern.
As for sexual attraction, being a scorpio my body part is my genitals. That is probably the problem. I tend to hold it back because I am cautious about transmitting the wrong signal, and on the other hand I am cautious that if I just let it go, Ill attract the wrong person or worse... cause trouble! I figure I just get cant get the balance right.
A 'stranger magical' person once told me that I had a blockage, and he was probably talking about the chakras without even knowing it. People can sense things in other people without knowing about magic. He was one of those people. He sensed something, but I doubt he knew where or what. Until now, I dont really get the truth behind what he said.
My true problem is my true nature. An Extremist, Im either one or the other, and im rarely in between.
I trust the universe, but at times it is telling me to do something, that I cant do it for some 'personal' reason. If you like, God speaks to me so strong and clear I can almost hear him in my ears. When that happens, I usually dont do anything about it because a part of me does not want to turn another page- its not sure if it is GOD or something else.
I am always alone... it is what I prefer. It is my nature and it is what gives me strength. But as an extremist, on the other hand, I am the total opposite.
Oh yeh... I would use 'manipulation' magick. But only if I was sure that I was meant to. Say for example, that person is being influenced badly by someone else and they needed my help to 'wake' them up. And maybe with someone that needs a bit of a 'shove' in order for them to realise who I am or what it is I want. Either way, usually I am feeling a little bit troublesome at the time. I can be selfish and possesive at times... but they are often squeezed out by my other more dominant characteristics.
Cruel Tendencies, do you have any ideas on how I can improve seeing my energy attraction with those around me?? I can feel it, but I want to see it like I see others so that I know what to do with it, if anything. Is there a book around on energy exchange or something?
Woah.. Im being propsed to already by lullabi.
Looks like my magic charms are already starting to work!
Im not that desperate, but can we urm... at least talk first? or do you wanna just cut the chit chat? :)
HAHA, how funny would it be if we were the first couple to get married through 'Astral Pulse'
*chuckles*
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You really make me laugh you know. Really shows what kind of twat you are being. You either have no idea or are just playing stupid! *shakes head*
Giggle! Twat = Tuat = Egyptian underworld; sometimes a uterine cavity, sometimes a great snake around the world's outer rim. Yes, I am a twat-tuat, giggle! [;)] Yeah, I know the sWords!
Ah, but I digress. You were given the key to this mystery, but you threw it in the lake, choosing instead to pick at the lock with your fingernail clippers. It is a pity, because when people ask, I like to tell them, but you are young, so perhaps someday you will figure it out on your own before you're a vindictive, lonely old man!
By killing the scorpion, I was not referring to you as a Scorpio (I find many Scorpios compellingly sexy). I was/still am referring to your ugly, vindictive, reactionary, cruel mean-streak that lashes out every time you feel threatened or challenged. This is the scorpion you need to kill if you want a strong, intelligent woman as a partner. Because right now, only the stupid weak ones will let you near them, the ones that don't know how to run.
or the guys=gays!(blockage of sexual Energy)[:)]
Since I am such a compellingly sexy scoprio... Its better if they dont run... I like my women tied up :)
If it wasnt for my 'scorpion' like nature, I wouldnt have called you a twat and gave you the giggles... so please leave me be twat :)
Azaaithoth: I LOVE YOU!
The only thing that really helps being able to see energy is continued energy-body development, maybe with some extra work on the brow chakra. In my opinion, though, what usually keeps a person from being able to efficiently sense someone else's energy and what it's doing is when their own energy is too "loud". What I mean by that is mosttimes when we want something from someone, our own desires cloud our mental space. We feel our own energy in the form of what we want the other person to be feeling, and get the two confused. Getting to know how your own energy feels - knowing what it feels like to feel *normal* for you - is probably a good idea. Go out and notice how you feel when someone new looks at you, or when you form a connection with someone. Experiment with shielding techniques, and severing connections so that you know when you're sensing someone else's energy and when you're sensing your own desires.
Now obviously I don't know your specific situation or what it is you do when you're interacting with a woman, so I'm just trying to address what I feel are common barriers to forming good relationships. If you're looking for something lasting and meaningful, and you say you can hear when God is speaking to you, then you'll probably want to begin making the changes that you're being told to make. Your "demons" feed on fear, and so they tell you not to change, because if you changed and no longer felt fear (no matter how slight it may seem) they'd be out of a free meal.
But really, the best advice is the simplest. Just be confident, and patient, and don't expect too much out of every woman you meet. The energetic processes will take care of themselves if you do these simple things.
Paul
Youd be suprised how patient I am. In fact I suprise myself even.
I sometimes sit down somewhere and wait for hours until the energy is 'right'. And I know it was right, when later along the path I bump into someone, or I see something happen that is so perfectly timed I sometimes think I am pure energy myself.
As for the confidence, Im sure I can work on that more. Usually, its not the confidence, but the patience required for the timing. Once I know when to act, whatever the reason for, I get up and go, regardless of my confidence. If anything, I will probably have to work to be not so over confident.
Like I said before, I just need to get my balances sorted out so they dont interfere with each other negatively.
Ugh
You'll never find anything worth seeing until you stop looking.
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Azaaithoth: I LOVE YOU!
I thought that only worked with 'Negs'...
[:P]
i sympathize with you, skymageinfinity. i experience the same problems. people always want to blame the person who's having the problem, always saying, "you're trying too hard" or "you're not trying hard enough" or "maybe you're not doing this right" or "maybe you're not doing that right", etc! and for the longest time i've thought, well maybe they're right, and i've tried all the various advices with zero results, and i keep pondering over what it could be that i did wrong this time. i've most especially done the "not looking thing", and i really wasn't looking; i didn't mind being alone for a long time, but neither was i about to reject any possible loves that came up. but nothing ever came up. i got involved in classes and stuff to meet people with "similar interests" and nothing ever happened. and so i've spent a lot of time pondering over what it is i'm always doing wrong, what the hell is wrong with me, why the hell am i such a f*ck up, etc., etc. you know what? f*ck that sh*t! there's nothing the hell wrong with me, and i see people with worse personalities, people oozing with desperation, people with zero self-confidence who still find someone. so i don't think it's always "the seeker's" fault. i think there are other factors. i think that the general population can just sense when certain people are "different". that think differently, that have different values. i live in a town full of very narrow-minded people, very wrapped up in petty material concerns. i know i'm different, and maybe they know it too, because i simply cannot "connect" with anyone around here, and most anywhere else either. like my bestfriend has stated, it's like "we're on a totally different plane than everyone else." i'm tired of thinking there's "something wrong with me/something wrong i'm doing/something i'm "radiating." there has to be someone out there who likes me for me, who appreciates me despite my faults and whatever. there are certain types of people that are very rare, very hard-to-find like a tiny needle in an eternal haystack. i know i'm just going to have to wait longer than most people to find the right person in a huge population of... er, very UNlike-minded people. i know it's frustrating as hell, but i have confidence that i will meet a love eventually, and i'm confident you will, too.
That makes two of us now doubtsevenhere17!
No one understands why I get ticked off when they say those things "its your fault" etc. Instead they have a go at me by saying "change yourself, change your style, change your apporach, change this, do that do this go there blablblabla"... There is evidence of that in this very topic.
No one ever goes up to you and says... "you are too good for people"... or "the reason you arent with anyone is because you are special and you have to go through a period to gain something much better than everyone else"... its always "you suck" "Get over it" all negative stuff.
I know I am different. I dont exactly 'fit' in this place. Even though I have been here my whole life, my soul is different to everyone elses around here. I come from a different background, culture and religion... my soul although adapted here, retains its own signature mark... Not everyone can see it, but when someone does, like you said, its very rare.
I think people like you and me suffer more because of the fact we are human. If you believe in previous lives etc, we must have done something bad or good or significant enough to affect us this very day. I feel sometimes that I deserve to suffer for being who I am, because life is suffering and things like love and friendship are only their to ease our passage in life. However, our souls are beyond the superficial 'bliss' of such things in life.
I at times only complain about not having love and whatever because I am indulging in my senses and my emotions. I at times dont want to admit to myself that really, all this stuff is not important in the big picture of things. I am tempted by worldly things and this consequently keeps us binded to this physical world. Afterall I am human and my soul is trapped in it, struggling to set free. It is my human nature to do what all humans do- place too much self importance on ourselves. How small minded to be so selfish and selfcentred into thinking that we need this and we need that. What gives us the right as inferior humans to decide what it is that we should and should not have. It is not up to us! We did not create our selves.
What is important is that I walk the path I am meant to walk the way it was planned out for me to walk it. There was a deeper meaning to my topic that nearly everyone overlooked. I wasnt essentially concerned with human love. I was asking about my love for the path I am to chose. It has more to do with destiny or fate more than human attachment. My spirit- much like others here, reaches out for that love. Not love of life, but love of something that I cant explain with words. Freedom maybe? Freedom of being human on this forsaken planet? Freedom of thought? Freedom of emotions? Death?
Who knows. Bottom line for me is, I have been severed from what I once knew and was part of. I am trying to find my way back, but I no longer see the signs of love that I once did before. I no longer have a human companian or lover to show me the way...
I am alone and alone I must light up my own path since alone I will leave this existance.
As for who or what darkened the path in the first place... I dont think it really matters. What matters is that I do my duty and follow my heart so that I can release my spirit to where it needs to be released.
What my duty is, what my heart wants and where my spirit needs to go or needs to do... I dont know.
What I know regarding this matter is that I need a guide with greater wisdom than myself.
The spirit guide that my human nature and environment has detached me from, I must seek.
Dear skymageinfinity,
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If magic is so powerful where is my love?
Well, how have you tried to use magic to find your love? "magic" isn't powerful necessarily. I believe the malformation of your question highlights a slight misunderstanding.
Magic is like an engine. Engines only work when they are given enough gas and when the vehicle operator knows how to turn them on. Just by itself, an engine will not function at all. Likewise, magic (a set of universal rules that can yield precise results) by itself (without an operator, and without enough power) will simply not work.
My point is, if you have tried to use magic to influence your love life and it has not worked, then you either did not have enough power in your operation (you didn't give the engine enough gas), or the operator (you) was not knowledgeable enough to get the magic to work (you couldn't find the hole or didn't know you needed a key to turn on the engine, or didn't understand that putting the key in the hole was still not enough).
Magic, like turning on a car, is an exact science. When all the right variables are in place and things are executed precisely as they should be, you will get results every single time without failure!
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I have been asking this question ever since I have began to understand and follow the magic path. No matter how many answers it provides for what I ask it to provide me with, it NEVER provides me an answer about who I am to be with.
You ask to know? Why aren't you bold enough to ask to find out instead? Does that thought scare you or intimidate you in the least? If yes, then you are not ready to know yet.
*** BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR! ***
This golden rule in magic can never be stressed enough, especially for beginners. Please people, do not use magic to try to attain things or people, because unless you really know what you are doing, if you can even get any part of it to work but you didn't think things through to a very fine degree of perfection, then there is a chance things will not work in your favor. Those who play with fire get burned. Those who play/dabble with magic will have magic play/dabble with their lives.
My friend according to your profile you are 21, there is plenty of time to find the right person in your life. At 21, believe it or not even the most intelligent of persons have not acquired enough life experience to be ready for the relationship of their lives. There are of course exceptions, but exceptions are never the majority. I urge you to keep trying by "normal" means for now to find the right woman.
Let me ask you this, can you tell me with extreme and very detailed accuracy EXACTLY the woman that is to be your soul mate? If you aren't 100% sure, if there are any doubts what so ever of who this woman will look like physically, who she would be emotionally, and mentally, then I can guarantee you that it is not 100% safe for you to be using magic to influence your love life! NEVER FORGET THIS!quote:
If all of us magic folks are made to be lonely, then where is my lonely magic folk?
Your misconstrued questions indicate to me you still lack much right understanding. This is not to sound condescending or insulting or anything of the sort. I was once where you were asking similar questions that highlighted my ignorance. I praise your courage to be bold enough to ask and this is why I am taking the time to offer you what I know from personal experience in magic. :)
Your statement about the perceived notion that magic folk are made to be lonely is nothing but a myth. If that is how you understand your reality as a magician, then your reality as a magician will be bound by your limited understanding. If you can not imagine yourself as a magician with a life partner that will keep you company, then it will never become a reality for you. Man can never create that which he can not first imagine!
Further, and at a deeper level. If you are merely "lonely", then how can you justify to yourself that finding a magical partner is the only solution to this need of yours? People who are lonely can be cured by surrounding themselves with other people they like. This is called friendship. Other people can find sufficient company by getting a pet. My point is, loneliness is NOT the right justification to be looking for a love partner. If you need love in your life, then that is one of many other little pieces that could justify looking for a magical partner in your life.
In order to get to a deep enough level of understanding about what we should do or not do and how, we must constantly engage in uninterrupted inner dialogue - contemplation. Try to find your inner voice, and when you do hear it, question its authority and choices. If you do this, you will find little need to ask any more questions of the nature which you've asked here because all answers will come from within and from a source that will always look out for your best interest.
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NO matter what I do or what I try, I might be able to make the world spin the other way... but I can not create love!!!
Bingo! Love can not be synthesized. To find love, one must first be true to oneself, and then true to our partners and the same from their perspective. If it is otherwise, true love can not manifest.
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My dreams occasionaly show me who she is... but even if I did understand who she really was... I could not dream forever!!!
Hang on to your dreams, some days that's all we have. You will not dream forever, each day you will awaken with the ability to write a new chapter in your life. Each day you may chose to awaken with hope and be bold enough take action that will advance your needs in life and do something to manifest those dreams into a reality you can experience. Or alternatively, you may waste that day grumbling that nothing is going right and with negative thoughts in general.
Another golden rule in magic is that: "Where thought goes, energy follows." If your mind is filled with poor thoughts, then a poor reality you will experience. If your mind is filled with negativity, then negativity you will experience. Cleanse your mind of limitation, and your horizons will expand. Believe you can, and you will!
Never lose hope my friend, to do so is to kill all your dreams.
Never lose your dreams my friend, to do so is to kill your potential reality.
Take good care,
Adept of Light
Hello again :)
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No one understands why I get ticked off when they say those things "its your fault" etc.
"Humanity is fortunate my friend, mankind only suffers by his own hand!"When you dig deep enough, the problems in your life are always to some degree related to something that you could have done differently and better to avoid a negative situation in the first place. Analyze all your sufferings until you find out where you went wrong - only then will you learn enough to not suffer for the same reasons again.
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No one ever goes up to you and says... "you are too good for people"
You are too good for the people that don't deserve you :)
You are not good enough for the people you don't deserve :/
You are just right for the right person. =)
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... or "the reason you arent with anyone is because you are special and you have to go through a period to gain something much better than everyone else"
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So long as you choose to compare yourself with others or what they have, you will endure periods of superiority and other periods of unworthiness. Both of which are time well wasted in suffering and ignorance. All that matters is you and you continue improving yourself, regardless if you are at the bottom of the pile, middle or at the top.
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... its always "you suck" "Get over it" all negative stuff.
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"In the presence of great men, turn your gaze toward them and learn. In the presence of bad men, turn your gaze inwards and learn about yourself".
-Lao Tzu, Tao Teh Ching (paraphrased)
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I know I am different. I dont exactly 'fit' in this place. Even though I have been here my whole life, my soul is different to everyone elses around here. I come from a different background, culture and religion... my soul although adapted here, retains its own signature mark... Not everyone can see it, but when someone does, like you said, its very rare.
Congratulations, you have just come to the realization you are human. Welcome to the club my friend :)
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I think people like you and me suffer more because of the fact we are human.
We are all human. We all suffer. Show me a human who does not suffer, and I will tell you either he is not human, or he is lying to himself and others. Maya is suffering. Enlightenment is to exit Maya. Strive for the highest goal and you will end suffering... or so the theory goes. Here I can not speak from personal experience (yet).
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If you believe in previous lives etc, we must have done something bad or good or significant enough to affect us this very day. I feel sometimes that I deserve to suffer for being who I am, because life is suffering and things like love and friendship are only their to ease our passage in life. However, our souls are beyond the superficial 'bliss' of such things in life.
Not bad, not bad :)
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I at times only complain about not having love and whatever because I am indulging in my senses and my emotions. I at times dont want to admit to myself that really, all this stuff is not important in the big picture of things. I am tempted by worldly things and this consequently keeps us binded to this physical world. Afterall I am human and my soul is trapped in it, struggling to set free. It is my human nature to do what all humans do- place too much self importance on ourselves. How small minded to be so selfish and selfcentred into thinking that we need this and we need that. What gives us the right as inferior humans to decide what it is that we should and should not have. It is not up to us! We did not create our selves.
Now I am actually applauding! This is what I meant earlier about inner dialogue and contemplation. Keep going my friend, there is much potential for you to realize! Just don't forget to smile now and then... it tends to ease the suffering :)
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What is important is that I walk the path I am meant to walk the way it was planned out for me to walk it. There was a deeper meaning to my topic that nearly everyone overlooked. I wasnt essentially concerned with human love. I was asking about my love for the path I am to chose. It has more to do with destiny or fate more than human attachment. My spirit- much like others here, reaches out for that love. Not love of life, but love of something that I cant explain with words. Freedom maybe? Freedom of being human on this forsaken planet? Freedom of thought? Freedom of emotions? Death?
Are you trying to make me stand up with applause? *grin*. Well said, except for the last word. Death is not freedom. Death of the spirit is impossible for we are eternal. Death of the body does not bring freedom of the spirit for it will re-incarnate and keep suffering. So the answer is not in Death, but in Life. Each life we are presented with opportunities to rise to the pinnacle of possibility until we are so high we penentrate the perimeter of suffering and englobe Entirity and eternal bliss and nirvana is experienced.
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Who knows.
The ones who have done it know. These are the ascended Masters of the various religeons and many others that chose to have no disciples.
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Bottom line for me is, I have been severed from what I once knew and was part of. I am trying to find my way back, but I no longer see the signs of love that I once did before. I no longer have a human companian or lover to show me the way...
One of the greatest human misconceptions is that, that true and perfect love we all subconsciously wish for can be found in another imperfect human. Simple logic will make it obvious this line of thinking is flawed.
Our other half is never another human being, but instead our higher selves. However, until we are ready to merge with our higher selves, having a loving relationship with another human is a very base and low grade replacement that can yield a certain amount of satisfaction and provide enough suffering for us to eventually grow enough to realize human love is possession and binding and not that secret unsuffering freedom we actually desire so deeply.
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I am alone and alone I must light up my own path since alone I will leave this existance.
Even in your darkest hour you will never be alone.
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What my duty is, what my heart wants and where my spirit needs to go or needs to do... I dont know.
Perhaps not, but your higher self does :)
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What I know regarding this matter is that I need a guide with greater wisdom than myself.
Refer to my previous statement.
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The spirit guide that my human nature and environment has detached me from, I must seek.
Seek with everything you have and you shall find indeed.
I feel I need to thank you for this lovely post of yours. It has put a smile on my face :)
Adept of Light
Thanks for your support and post and sorry its taken me forever to reply. Ive been 'away' on a journey :)
There is so much more to it than we speak and because of the limitations of our language, it is hard for us to share the experiences.
As we get deeper and deeper into the realms we realise that the 'ordinary' world is harder to return to and as days go by it also becomes harder to share your wisdom and let other experience your experiences. The world today filled with machines and technology has its role in the alteration on the transferal of spiritual knowledge.
If we have lost or failed in passing the knowledge of 2000+ years ago, one can only hope that we will be able to maintain it 2000 years from now.
The more our world becomes smaller and the more the earths nature becomes destroyed, the more the demand is for us humans to turn inwards to find the peace.
It is sad that we are sinners in this world of beauty.
you're pretty mean sometimes sky. i'm surprised tisha is still tyring to help you out after you attacked her like that.
i especially find it strange how you said: "And TISHA would be one of those women that would try their witchcraft to get me, but wouldnt have a chance because Id smell their magic a mile away. Havent you ever heard of filtration?" and yet are using magic yourself to try and find love. are you dense? or just joking?
if you ask for help, accept it when it is given. don't criticize those who are genuinely giving you help.
and no, you're not the only person who feels love for someone they've never met. i do as well. but you know what? i'm still single too! and whoever said that thing about yoga class had the best advice of all: if you are just going to meet people you will push them away. do things you are interested in and you will eventually find someone else interested in the same things.
and finally: love is a strange thing. don't try to understand it. the best mystics, philosophers, scientists, spiritualists, etc of our age and of ages gone have never been able to understand, let alone "command", love. why think that you or i can?
~kakkarot
ps, who do you think would cherish a great feast more: a king who is used to such things, or a poor man who wouldn't dare to believe that he could ever taste of such?
get lost kakkarot
If you havent already noticed skymageinfinity and Adept_of_Light have gone on talking about the real matter of the topic. The matter of 'human' love was not my real concern in the beginning if you even bothered to read all the posts and realise it for yourself!
Just because I ask for help, it does not mean I should accept it from anyone and everyone! And I know when someone is genuinely giving me help or is just there to reply to the post. And you kakkarot are just there to reply to your post, otherwise you wouldnt be such a critic in your post saying that im doing this wrong and this wrong. Instead youd fill your post with some actual advise, which really you havent done! All you have done is just blurt out rubbish. Ive posted more constructive than criticising posts in this thread. You have posted ONE and its negative! Look at it that way and we realise who the non genuine non helper is.
What does flirtation have to do with what I said to tisha??
Just because I asked how to use magic for love, that does not mean nor imply that I am actually using it.
Man, I thought I had finished this pointless conversation with Azaithoth. Are you one of his messengers?
You either have something worthy of saying or you dont say it. Nothing you said was related to the most recent posts in this topic. So in otherwords, you have done a good job at derailing the flow of this thread. Well done! And you expect me to listen to your 'love' advise?!
Why should I listen to anyone about love, when they themselves dont show that love?!
And by the way the King would cherish it more. From the way you described the poor man, it doesnt look like he would even have his eyes open to see the feast!
kakkarot, I hope you are a strong person and can handle a bit of heat, otherwise I apologise for my 'mean' way of saying things.
actually, it DOES imply that you are using it.
and i didn't know you were flirting with tisha, i apologize.
also i apologize for not reading the whole last four posts nor the times they were posted, eventhough i took the time to read the rest of the thread.
and no i don't know Azaithoth except by having seen his name a few times in these forums.
~kakkarot
Well I am not using it. I am not casting spells or doing rituals to attract love.
I wanted to find out how the interaction between love and magic exists so that I could tweak/fix it with my mental powers.
If you call that tweaking, magic, then I guess yes, I am using magic. But I dont call that magic.
But really, I dont need to use magic to attract someone. I trust in the universe to guide me to the right person at the right time. However I just have trouble in taking the first step in acheiving what the universe wants me to do sometimes.
I might know that I should be doing something, but I am 'frozen' and cant. Maybe it is the negative forces playing against my will. Who knows. It is like something is holding me back and that force that is holding me back is what I needed to understand in the beginning. This not just applies to human love but the way I do things everyday (hence the bigger picture Adept and I have been discussing).
I dont believe it is a force that is a part of me. I feel it is a foreign force similar to a curse that I havent found a cure for. Most probably, I have put it on myself- inviting some demon to reside in me due to problems in the past. But to solve this problem, id have to talk about the situation which is personal. And I dont even know if it is that or not. It could be something else, it could be nothing.
My experiences in life has shown me that the greater things that have happened are those that were not planned and agreed on. They were things that just happened or created by the almighty universe. Putting aside everything else, I think having faith in that is the most important thing.
My biggest problem is maintaining faith in that which I once strongly believed in before. Like I have mentioned, it feels like my connection to the universe has been severed and I somehow have to get it back.
I wrote a poem about this called the "Fruitless Cycle". Maybe it would help people understand what I am trying to say. I might post it in here sometime- if I can find it.
Lots of good advice. Took me a while to figure all this out myself. Once i empowered myself and stopped "wanting", it opened up the floodgates. Truly, magic is not wanting or needing anything. Realise that you have it all right now and this will become your experience.
This system is absolutely fair. One of our prime reasons for being here is to imagine up the best experience we can. When you are fully self-empowered/realised, then you will be able to give yourself any experience you desire. The wonderful irony is, when you have everything, you are satisfied and cease desiring to experience everything.
New systems (games) begin to beckon [:)]
All this time I thought I was looking for love in someone else when in reality I was looking for it in me.
Alright....
After about 1 month from my last post I realised that what everyone else is saying about finding your true love in yourself is true... well as true as true can be.
So what now? How do I love my self? Do I keep looking in the mirror and watch my head bop up and down while I dance to the beat or is there some 'special' way of doing things.
Azaithoth... I think I think thats your name, I cant remember... its ok... I want you to help me this time...
as a friend...
Hi Skymageinfinity -
I came upon this thread, and gotta tell you, you definitely are not alone. I have some thoughts and some advice from my perspective. Maybe it'll be useful, maybe not - but I am inspired to give it a try.
I just scanned through the posts so may be repeating others here and there - but my personal take on your question is that it sounds to me (and tell me if I'm on the right track here by all means) that you're longing for connection to what I would call loving presence of the creator - God the father as it were - or however you might characterize and personalize such a concept; and, a soul mate.
The world is a hostile place, and human beings are lonely and alone in it. If I were to put a name to your thread, I would call it "existential angst." We are alone, and we seek for connection to that which is greater than us, directly by seeking God, or the Source, or the (some name here). To me, a soul mate is the personification in the concrete world of a piece of God that interacts with us where we are - spiritually, intellectually, emotionally, physically.
Longing for belonging, connection, comfort, love, safety in trust and all that neat stuff - in experiencing spirituality and having it in the mundane in the form of a loving other/mate/community is what I'm hearing you talk about.
We are all alone, but not. Every one of us seeking with different levels of awareness - some folks find it, for a short time, for a long time - I had it once, and am looking for it again. When our needs are met on a certain level, we grow, and that level stops sufficing unless it can change with us. We start another climb up a steep slope of growth, until we find another level - and on and on again until we leave this world. Sounds to me that you are on a spiritual developmental path, that you have opened yourself up to that possibility - good for you.
It takes time, but don't give up - connection to/relationship with loving presence in the universe is possible. Its not necessarily constant though. I've felt it and I'm not anywhere near complete as some respondents would have us believe that we might need to be to "deserve" a connection. No person is ever totally and permenantly centered and aware of who it is that they are and what it is that they want, whether they are 21, 37, or 68, or 100. If someone is sure of who they are and what they want - and that is constant for a significant piece of time, then maybe they are less than human, or more than human, or maybe they are being dishonest with themselves or others, or, maybe they lack understanding, or they are sufficiently underdeveloped to be aware of the phenomenological complexity of consciousness and living. It takes a certain combination of emotional intelligence, temperament, trait, motivation, personality characteristics... etc and so on and so forth, to participate in angst consciously, honestly, in a meaningful way, without self-deception and self-distraction, with knowledge of how we may be "blind," or at least with awareness of that possibility - being humble enough to admit it at least to ourselves. (IN MY OPINION)
What I think the key is, is having a level of comfort with ambiguity, with not knowing fully, but having a level of faith, and geniunely asking and actively seeking, with pure emotion, for that relationship - that connection. It takes courage and sustained energy to be geniune and actively seek, it takes courage and sustained energy to be willing to feel and experience geniunely the sorrow and suffering so that one can continue to seek for what one is seeking in a conscious way.
So what to do? That geniuneness and intesity of emotion is important - want connection with all your heart and soul. Wait until you feel that desire for loving connection with acute clarity - prepare for acutely feeling its absence - because things are defined by their absence, and then when alone and focused in that - ask in prayer - or whatever magical ritual you use. Keep doing it. And have faith. Use your angst. And, periodically and systemically throughout, give yourself a break from the effort and just enjoy good things that life has to bring you. We all need a break and to go easy and just be - that's about balancing effort and taking care of yourself.
By the way - like I said before - connection/being in relationship to source/to love is a process that has its low and high points. It takes practice and understanding of the process to balance the extremes.
I hope this helps - this all from a fellow seeker - and is all IMO.
Kristen
P.S. Arrogance, unfeeling, and intolerance demonstrated consistantly without regard for context or purpose are definitely not character atributes of a person I would want to take spiritual advice from. If we would take advice from someone, let that person demonstrate a working and geniune understanding of Humility and being for others - let them at least demonstrate respect for the human spirit, and a lack of need for unecessary power differentials.
Ehmmm, what exactly were you trying, in the first place? What are we even taking about?!
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Skymageinfinity,
It might seem unfair, but capable women run screaming from men who put out the kind of vibe that you are putting out. It is no wonder you are coming up empty-handed.
Here is where to start: Yourself! Keep your magic antennae out, but STOP LOOKING! YOU'RE TRANSMITTING ANXIETY AND DESPERATION! Even if you do not think of yourself as anxious and desperate, it is the vibe you are putting out.
You need to become the kind of man who actually has something to offer to the world. Build your power-base! Prove yourself to be a man who will take the initiative and effect change. Women can't resist THAT vibe.
Blah, too much work that requires way too much energy. Best to just sit and eat chocolate donuts while watching old star track re-runs.
Ho-ray this one has the Borg in it.
-luke
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If magic is so powerful where is my love? I have been asking this question ever since I have began to understand and follow the magic path. No matter how many answers it provides for what I ask it to provide me with, it NEVER provides me an answer about who I am to be with.
Well I don't admit to knowing too much about magical type stuff but it helps if you are in an area with a high ratio of females. I myself have found that women are much more friendly and less judgmental when they haven't been out in six months because all the guys already have girlfriends. Thus making it easier to find someone who you can get along with.
But maybe that seems strange to those of you who already live in an area with less than a 60% male ratio. I unfortunately don't.
If you're male and are thinking of moving to Norfolk, Virginia than know that you are going to be very unhappy here.
If magic is so powerful where is my love? I have been asking this question ever since I have began to understand and follow the magic path. No matter how many answers it provides for what I ask it to provide me with, it NEVER provides me an answer about who I am to be with.
If all of us magic folks are made to be lonely, then where is my lonely magic folk? NO matter what I do or what I try, I might be able to make the world spin the other way... but I can not create love!!!
My dreams occasionaly show me who she is... but even if I did understand who she really was... I could not dream forever!!!
skymagelonelycomeandbringmebacktolife