I think if you have a way to help yourself, and other use it - as long as it does not hurt anyone.
Yes Lysear, the nature of a shellfish is to be a shellfish, yet our nature as human beings is to cast spells, whether we are aware of it or not. Be good!
Mirador
Greetings Lysear,
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Originally posted by Lysear
are all spells selfish in nature? If so what hope do we have? if not, why not?
I like to think that the majority of spells are selfish to an extent, but on the same side of the coin, there is nothing wrong with using magick to get ahead in the material world, as long as somebody else doesnt suffer as a result of this.
is there really a difference between using magick to gain money and using a skill you have over others such as physical dominance or knowledge, to do the same thing? I think not, as all are a part of nature, a part of the whole.
what do others think of the points I have raised here?
All Magic is governed by the immutable laws of cause and effect, and so before performing any form of Magic you must ask yourself what the effects would be, positive of negative. Motive is also very important.
By using Magic to help others, you will automatically bring about a positive effect for yourself.
As to whether the use of Magic for personal gain is selfish, the answer is that by definition it must be selfish because it is being performed for self, but that is not necessarily a bad thing, especially if no one else is affected, i.e. whatever you are needing is left to the universe and not aimed at any particular individual.
The ultimate question to ask is what the Magic will do for your own Spiritual advancement which is the reason we are all here, and not material advancement or to impress others.
With best regards,
Adrian.
does anyone know a spell to make there slong bigger
i may be casting some spells in a few years.. i really want to go to a certain college, yet it's really expensive. even if i get in, i'll need some big scholarship cash to get in there for anything less than expensive. i was hoping that if that problem arises, i could do something like the astral magic described on another page of this site, and get some cash for college. it's not for anything really that material, just an education, and my problem seems to be similar to the example on the astral magic page.. so i'm might have to rely on that [V]
btw ronaldo, i'm sure you can find plenty of web sites to help you with your problem. i must get half of them on my hotmail account every week x.x.. i should make a decoy account for signing up for games and services from now on. who knows who has my email address.. satan..
Dearest magical practitioners, nothing happens in a vacuum. Cast a spell and you'll change Reality in ways you never intended. Your only hope/desire is not to disturb anything else in the process, but you need to be ready for it, and willing to take responsibility for it, if such a thing happens. EYES OPEN EVERYONE!
Not all magical practitioners believe in "an ye harm none." The Italian Strega feel that you may "do as thou wilt" as long as you take responsibility for it. It sounds selfish on the surface, but if you think about it long enough, it's a more realistic way of looking at things. I'm not a Strega; I just wanted to pass on the info!
Casting spells is not selfish as long as you use them intelligently. Don't use a spell to try and make someone do something against their will, or to get something that belongs to someone else. Spells can help us in ways nothing else can. There is more than enough in this universe to go round for everyone. It isn't greedy or selfish to take your share.
The idea of selfish spellcasting I see as being more a plot convenience for story-lines rather than a real life concern.
In the forward of David Eddings' novel The Riven Codex he speaks about this. His character Belgarath the Sorcerer could easily have used his rather considerable powers in a god-like way to save all the other characters from any harm or danger. It would kill the plots and there's be no story to read, so Eddings put a number of moral limitations on Belgarath
Similarly the screenplays for Charmed, where the Charmed Ones aren't allowed to use their powers for personal gain are purely plot conveniences.
In the real world we do have moral considerations on our actions, and we do have cause and effect, but hey, I'd like to turn the colour of my eyes to a rich violet. It can be done, I've found a number of spells that will do it. It's a purely selfish egotistical thing to do, but really it's up to me, and it only really affects me.
I don't see using spells to get ahead in the world, or to make life better for yourself as being any different to using technological means for the same reasons. There are benefits and there are considerations. Being thoughtful about spells is no different to being thoughtful about any other tool or device we might want to use.
I say go for it![8D]
James.
P.S.
If I do ever manage to turn my eyes voilet I'll let you know[;)]
Hi Lyear
It is selfish to use magick for your own personal gain, even thou you will get what you deserve I personally wouldn't dabble in these matters, materialism is an anchor to your soul.
If it's money problems you're having I usually envision my bills paid in full, then I go out there and make it happen because sitting on my behind won't get them paid. But in my vision it is real and the faith that I put into it gives me the courage to on with more pressing matters. Use your Magick to help others, use it to heal the Planet, there's so much more you can do in a positive way and the rewards are more gratifying than an extra buck in your pocket.
BW
Hello BW and Lysear
The universe and all that belongs to it is present in the mind of God. All things that exist in the mind of God can be brought into your life by visualization and transmuting the energies to bring this about. It doesn't hurt anyone or take anything away from anyone. You are just bringing these things into your life.
Healing the world and all of the rest of the positive causes work best when the person is capable of manifesting things. You can heal the world in a small part by making your life better. You will then have the means to help others to make their life better. A smile can help heal a small part of the world.
Nita
I think since magic is very much connected to universal powers, it can't be selfishly, but in the mean time it gets really selfish sometimes. Magic used for selfish purposes is not as beautiful as that used for the sake of more than one person. A mage should be somewhat a leader more than a selfist egoist[:)]
Before we can help others we must help ourselves and by helping others we help ourselves.
Remember magic is neutral it is the motive of the user which makes it good or evil.
Gwathren, the necromancer- bringing dead posts back to life!
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Originally posted by Tisha
Not all magical practitioners believe in "an ye harm none." The Italian Strega feel that you may "do as thou wilt" as long as you take responsibility for it. It sounds selfish on the surface, but if you think about it long enough, it's a more realistic way of looking at things. I'm not a Strega; I just wanted to pass on the info!
Hmmm, don't know much about these Strega folks but my guess is they are a recent order that borrowed stuff from other traditions. Got any decent links on them?
Also the quote "Do as Thou Wilt" is from the book Liber Al by Crowley and used by his followers of "Thelema" ("Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"). It does not mean "do what you want." The basics of it is that you should strive to find your "True Will" (i.e. God's Will, your Higher Self's Will, etc) and do that so you are in harmony with the Cosmos kinda thingy.
Even Franz Bardon uses that phrase in his "Initiation into Hermetics".
i believe that selfishness is not something to be avoided. i don't think that it can be avoided. as personalities, everything we do is geared towards the psychological and physical stability of ourselves as organisms(or at least what is perceived to be the best way to accomplish that). Magick is a tool- we use tools to serve our needs, even if it's to help burning orphans. we helped the orphans because we couldn't bear to see them burning.
as for cause and effect, i don't believe in karma. my only rule is do what you want, but if you hurt what i love- you'll pay.
hmm Cause and effect and karma is 2 diffrent things even if they seem similar , Cause and effect says whatever action there will be counteraction (effect). Karma says you get 3 times back for everything you do.
While cause and effect can seem like karma sometimes theres nothing that says you WILL get back with that you sow , there is fully possible to get good effects out of "evil" actions and opposite (road to hell is paved with good intentions[:D]).
While cause and effect is something you cannot escape no matter if you do magic or not . Karma is something you gotta belive in (i think [;)]). I atleast havent seen any big proof or karma.
It would be like mother Theresa went on a gambling spree to collect her due for being so good to children and poor.
Or that every Lottery winner must have done something realy wonderfull before.
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Originally posted by Colin
Gwathren, the necromancer- bringing dead posts back to life!
Necromancy, or resurrection? And anyway is it bad then?
Not bad, just funny.
Greetings Jon_88
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Originally posted by Jon_88
hmm Cause and effect and karma is 2 diffrent things even if they seem similar , Cause and effect says whatever action there will be counteraction (effect). Karma says you get 3 times back for everything you do.
While cause and effect can seem like karma sometimes theres nothing that says you WILL get back with that you sow , there is fully possible to get good effects out of "evil" actions and opposite (road to hell is paved with good intentions[:D]).
While cause and effect is something you cannot escape no matter if you do magic or not . Karma is something you gotta belive in (i think [;)]). I atleast havent seen any big proof or karma.
It would be like mother Theresa went on a gambling spree to collect her due for being so good to children and poor.
Or that every Lottery winner must have done something realy wonderfull before.
Karma is an integral aspect of the law of cause and effect, and as such there is no provision for causes to be amplified by a factor of 3, it simply is not possible in accordance with immutable Universal laws. Like everything in the Universe, a cause is energy just as an effect is energy, and energy cannot be either created or destroyed.
Everything gives rise to a cause, even a thought is a cause, for which there will be a corresponding effect sooner or later. Karma is simply another way of expressing the law of cause and effect at a personal level.
With best regards,
Adrian.
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Originally posted by Colin
Not bad, just funny.
And funny-->fun is positive, right? [:)]
i think that what people get messed up is what cause leads to what effect- and what variables are involved.
doing black magic is not going to automatically get you bad karma. if you have a belief system that affirms that doing certain.. unpleasant things are what you should be doing- then you're fine. if you are doing the black stuff cause you feel like being naughty- then i can see the implications.
are all spells selfish in nature? If so what hope do we have? if not, why not?
I like to think that the majority of spells are selfish to an extent, but on the same side of the coin, there is nothing wrong with using magick to get ahead in the material world, as long as somebody else doesnt suffer as a result of this.
is there really a difference between using magick to gain money and using a skill you have over others such as physical dominance or knowledge, to do the same thing? I think not, as all are a part of nature, a part of the whole.
what do others think of the points I have raised here?