Hi All. I'm trying to put together a generalized list of the types of magical practice available to man in our day and age. It can and should include everything, from Hermetics to backyard witchcraft. Left path, Right path, i just want to get a good overall picture of the options and definitions of magical study, no matter the origin. I'm sure different people would have different opinions on what qualifies, so any input is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Oh, there are too many actual things to list. If you want actual physical schools where you can go to learn... I think the church of life has a monk program. Most schools are self-taught.
I was looking for schools in the sense of "types" of magic. Yes, i'm sure there are quite a few, and lots are the same thing with different geographic/cultural titles.
Well, i suppose i can start the list:
Hermetics
Egyptian magic
Kabbalah
Nature Magic (what other names?)
Witchcraft
Enochian
Elohim
Shamanism
Druidry
Ok, that's a start. But it gets rather extensive and complicated, as there is a lot of crossover among the categories.
Whether Druidic , Wicca, Hermetic, Thelmetic, Qabalistic or Direct Magic, these schools use any one or more of the following categories of magic:
Black Magic
Celestial Magic
Death Magic
Divination
Elemental Magic
Enchanting
Life Magic
Nature Magic
Psi Magic
Satanic Magic
Sorcery
Summoning
White Magic
Wizardry
I hope this helps.
Kerux
IMHO they are all really the same thing at the core. Lables are just a human way to categorise, and set limitations. If you could study all of them, you would find so many similarites in different aspects. That is to say certain things get done the same way regardless. While other things can be done many differnt ways.
I can think of 4 very different techniques to heal the same problem in a person(there are more, I'm going with what I know at this time), yet the end result is the same. So does it really matter if one is hands on, one is hands near, one is hands on guided, and one is hands off guided?
you forgot kitchen, sexual, and vampiric magick :P
Thank you, that is what i was looking for. I agree Rastus that the end result of most of these categories is the same thing. But from the standpoint of wanting to just collect the "labels" then this is helpful.
I've never heard of Kitchen before. Would that be involving the enchantment or putting energy into food?
I wondered about that myself. And how would one define "Direct" magic exactly?
Kitchen magic, sexual magic and vampiric magic all find there homes in the magical castes already mentioned. There are not castes in and of themselves.
The question of Direct Magic and how it is best described as it compares to Ritual Magic. Where as the castes exist in both there are elaborate rites or rituals one goes through to accomplish one's magical goal. Direct Magic dispenses with the ritual and goes right to the task at hand.
If you are interested there an entire web site devoted to Direct Magic that is The Library of Knowledge http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/tomekeeper/index.html
Kerux
Quote from: narfellusI wondered about that myself. And how would one define "Direct" magic exactly?
My guess would be that the "Direct Magic" is the most powerful form of magic - without the need for any spells, rituals, tools or other utensils - pure "thought makes/changes reality".
Quote from: keruxIf you are interested there an entire web site devoted to Direct Magic that is The Library of Knowledge http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/tomekeeper/index.html
Thanks for the link. 8)
Is it really possible to learn magic?!
Sure you can learn magic. The magical arts are as old as the hills, highly developed and refined. :wink:
kerux
No way!...
Magic still exists?... But... How?...
You need to understand the term 'energy'
and you need a proper definition of 'magic'
???
I'm reading the simple definition of Energy
http://www.benwiens.com/energy1.html#energy1.2
Not so simple... Very long...
"Yes way" magic still exists. You need to understand the term magic. I am all to familiar with "energy" as it is an integral part of Magic.
Grey Magic may be defined as:
Magic or magick is the science and art of causing change to occur in conformity with the Will using means not currently understood by Western science, (Which makes magic the science of the future.) for the purpose of causing either physical or non-physical good to yourself or others and is done either consciously or unconsciously.
Black magic is the same only is for the purpose of causing harm to someone.
White magic is similar but the goal is more to gain knowledge of the Angelic realm.
Hope this helps.
Kerux
It helps very humongously...
I need to be able to feel my energy rght?
I just purchased Rober Bruce's NEW energy ways book... I am currently trying...
Can anyone tell me if Black Magic is visible?
Using black magic was my dream since I was a small kid...
Why dream of learning something that's somewhat negatively orientated? Is this showing something about yourself that you have not yet grown to understand?
I don't know... It's just... I always favored dark concepts... Evil things... They always made me feel.... Home... It's weird huh?....
Magic is real enough. Very real actually, although i've yet to master it. Magic in this world is simply enough manipulation of energy. In terms of evolution, the human species (and all species and matter, extraterestrial and otherwise) are striving toward perfection. Perfection being a Oneness with God, which is the Universe, meaning comprehenion of Existense from the perspective of God. All humans are destined to achieve this goal. It is not a race, and we wil all reach it eventually, some simply before others. Jesus was, in esoteric terms, a spiritual magician. Christians would probably consider that blasphemy, but i was raised christian and i consider it the highest privelege. It's all about perspective. magic is not EVIL. It is a tool, and as any tool, it can be used to harm or hurt. that's a big reason why magic has been kept secret for so long before now. Humans have abused it in the past, it was taken away, society restarted, and only recently have we "earned" the right to use it responsibly. We as humans along with Mother Earth are striving to a New Age of love and perfection. Magic, in time, will become commonly understood Science, i'm sure of it. Astrology, Tarot, Grey, White, Black, etc, etc...they are all pieces of the whole. Religions are attempts to explain greater universal lessons, and none are wholly correct nor wholly wrong.
We Westerners are too absorbed in materialism, and it hurts us as a whole. At the same time, we have great potential and wealth to lend to the rest of the world.
Hello Everyone
Kitchen Magic is using herbs to enchant food while cooking and simple household things. An example of this is a jar of knots. You take threads and pieces of yarn and knot them three or seven times with things you wish to bring to you or keep from you. You place it in a jar and keep it in your kitchen.
Direct Magic would probably be dusting someone with voodoo powders or herbs to cause them problems. Sort of primitive but used to make a person afraid where the rest of the magic would work.
I have a discussion group where we talk about different subjects although most of the time it is slanted more towards hermetics and ritual magic. I did a discussion group so I would not have the ranks or structure of a school. I wanted it so people could freely study what they wanted and be able to ask questions. Everyone is working upon themselves with Initiation into Hermetics by Franz Bardon.
Anyone who is interested email nita@astralpulse.com
The main troubles I have seen with schools is that they teach you what they know and do not diversify enough where a person can find what is correct for them. Ranks of who is better than the other person engenders ego problems and fights between people. It defeats the purpose of the school most of the time. Controlling the people and intimidating them is also another problem.A discussion group is more freewheeling and has a better variety of knowledge.
Nita
For the record, i'm a member of Nita's magic group, and it is a totally open and free environment for learning, as she stated previously. Franz Bardon was and is a master of hermetic teaching, meaning basically that he was and is and will be a divine representative of God and Divine Providence, from time Before and As Will Come. Their group is a wonderful environment for questions and answers, with the caveat that it is rather advanced thinking. Think of it as a Grad School college class, and most humans are mere high school freshman...You're ready for what you're ready, and not a moment before.
I want to join too T_T...
lol.. I already sent an e-mail to Nita though...
Refuse or Accept... Either is fine by me....
Black Magic... Is that a bad thing to learn?...
Dude,
Everyone forgot Kao$ Magic. It doesn't use a metaphysical 'system' or Hierarchy of gods unless you want to. Its very free form and you can use it with any chosen school of Magic. The whole idea is that belief is a means not an end, and that belief gives you power. Magical power doesn't stem from a god it stems from you.
Anyway if you want to learn more look it up or go to
www.chaosmagic.com
To the person with the interest in "Black Magick" Is your interest to go around hurting people, or is it to find union with that darker aspect of self? You inner beast, as Carl Jung refers to it?(might want to look into his work, a bright fellow, he was.) If this is the case, might I suggest a book? The title is Out of the Shadows, An Exploration of Dark Paganism and Magick by John J. Coughlin. Its an easy read, but may help you to understand your interest a bit better than you do now. The key stressed in this book is balance really, appreciating and acknowledging all sides of self, including the light and the dark.
Brandon
I wanted to find my inner darkness... As I adore darkness... I also just feel like I want to posses it.. For the sake of self protection... But I am in a group of White Magic as well ^^
Hello Everyone
I wanted to mention that I have started a magical school online called www.hermeticuniversityonline.com I will have my first class started on February 21st. I hope that all of you that are interested will check it out.
The first course is free as I figure out the program and get everything to work properly.
Nita
Hi Nita
I've always seen my world in a different perspective, and I've found that my concepts (for learning and for transmitting my knowledge) fit perfectly with hermetics and alchemy.
Which branch are you teaching for hermetics?
Congratulations , everything that helps people to free themselves is just Great.
Hello Daidaluz
I am teaching a more universal hermetics where I work upon the basics and then go up the scale. I prefer Franz Bardon's books the most out of a regular training course for Hermetics.
I also feel that people should be able to know about different aspects of Magic so they can find their own way and work upon themselves. I plan to do a few things that I am knowledgeable about later on in some of the more advanced courses.
Nita