I agree with you about it being up to the intent of the user whether pentagrams are banishing or invoking, and what element it is. However, I do not agree when you say that starting at different points for different elements etc is complete rubbish! this helps the magick worker to focus by association, you recognise that a certain method of drawing the pentagram is associated with a specific element and this aids in the process of intent.
Also, I find you calling it complete rubbish very confusing, as it is clearly not. Very experienced and talented ocultists have been using these methods for a very long time, and they worked well for them. I am sure that You can assume that such people experimented with various methods and found the one that was more effective for them.
However, I will definitly try your extra line technique, it sounds very interesting. Thanks for that.
Lysear
"This is complete rubbish.........."
Ok I'll rephrase that to: it is absolutly unnessessary.
What you must realise is that the real magical keys are NEVER given in books, even the oldest and most respected ones. Real magical knowledge is kept secret and must be either learned for oneself through trial and error or given to you (as I am doing now). When Bardon wrote his book or whomever you wish to quote, have you ever seen them physically do the pentagrams for yourself??......I think not!.....The difference between what is written for the profane and what is actually done by real magiciens is like comparing day with night.
Everything in magic revolves around the visualisation and the intention.
Please try this technique and see for yourself how your protection increases. Of course you are free to do as you wish....read books and follow the intruction manual or push yourself to the boundary of magical operation.
Take care.
what is that short for?
Greetings goingslow,
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Originally posted by goingslow
what is that short for?
If you mean "LBRP" it is the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentragram.
With best regards,
Adrian.
Dont get me wrong, I really appreciate your help. In fact, after trying the LBRP with you new pentagrams (with the line, and from the top) i had a really intense dream or nightmare. There was something outside of my bed, attacking me, I tried all sorts of incatations and got so desperate I even tried some from Harry Potter! When I woke up, energy was coursing through my body, I have never felt anything like it before. In fact I then got up and performed the Kabbalistic cross. Perhaps though, along with your advice, I need to learn these things for myself before I accept them, I have only been practising ceremonial magick for a year and 3 months so I am still a beginner.
P.S I havent read Bardon before, I started studying from D.M Kraig, and have used many variations since then, but pretty much stuck with "Modern Magick." I know this book has its weaknesses but I feel it has been an excelent introduction to ceremonial magick for me.
Lysear, what your experience says to ME is that by filling your mind with banishing/protection thoughts, you drew that frightening experience to you. I'm not saying this in a blaming sense, only in a sense that we truly create our own realities, and we DO draw beings and experiences toward ourselves, based upon where our heads are at. Sometimes it happens by accident, sometimes we go down into the dungeon on purpose.
Very interesting. HM! Lessen to all . . . think twice before delving too heavily in the hidden realms. There is probably a way to study protections in a way that won't draw the attention of unfriendly entities. I just don't know what that way is yet. Probably something akin to neurolinguistic programming. HM, let me think.
Tisha, what kind of protection rituals do you use if any? This is the first time that anything like this has happened to me in over a year, I'm still not sure if the dream was related to the alteration of the ritual or not, I will have to do some more experimentation first.
Hi Lysear,
I use salt/water incantations, "magic circles," incense, pentagrams, creative visualization of "bubbles" around me, and once I even used copper pennies as wards.
When I do it, I intend sacred space, a sort of blessedness, peace, and safety within my area of control. The boundary I set up is my area of control.
At one time, by boyfriend's ex-wife, who blamed me for their breakup (never mind she's nuts), put extraordinary efforts into finding me so that she could "destroy my life and career." Despite the existence of phone books, my boyfriend's cell phone directory, our coworkers, and her police officer boyfriend, she was unable to find me. What I did was create some powerful wards, but they weren't "against her" per se; rather they were for me to remain anonymous. And it worked!
Hope that makes sense!
I get what your saying, wards can be very powerful in terms of misdirection etc. The problem with the LBRP is that it tends to light up the astral plane with lines etc and this attracts negs and astral nasties (or so I am led to believe) as highlighted in my experience a few nights back! One protection ritual that works differently is the rose cross, its supposed to contain and curtain your aura, I may try this more often. However, I will not stop using the LBRP as I have used it for over a year pretty much every day and I dont what to stop yet. Lately I have been looking into more pagan methods of magick, witchcraft and druid bits and bobs and this all seems to appeal to me, so I may try to expand my experience into these areas.
thanks for sharing your experiences Tisha.
Lysear,
When you do this kind of pentagram using intention as the tool; as you draw the pentagram infront of you towards the appropriate direction simply state outloud or in your mind the following "I hereby banish the element XXXX from this space" or words to this effect. This will back up and confirm your intention. Only use this technique to banish for the moment as you have already found out it is very powerful?!!!
Another important point is that when you activate the pentagram by pushing your fingers into the centre after you have done the last line your fingers or dagger remain there briefly then trace the continuing circle towards the next cardinal point and the next pentagram (this is so as to not break the circle)
As you have just started this technique please only use it with the four pentagrams and in a banishing form as to to add more pentagrams will only attract more attention than you want.
I would be interested to know by how much your protection has increased by using this method, if you can measure it, it would be useful.
Above all keep doing it and you will see results, remain focussed on what you are doing but don't project anything into the ritual (ie your fears, hopes, or the outcome) other than your intention.
I know it sounds a bit contradictory but you mustn't be emotively involved in the ritual but be functional, concentrated and almost clinical.It's Your emotion that attracts the nasty's in the astral so cut out the emotion and you will realise the full benefits of this method.
Good luck Lysear and keep us informed of how you get on.
Regards
Since I have been using this new technique, I have onl experienced the neg problem once, but that was enough!! I have never really felt any immediate results from my banishing rituals, but in the long run, I feel more in control, confident and various other feelings too numerous to mention.
I also have tried using it with the banishing ritual of the hexagram (golden dawn style) What is your opinion on this Alchimiste?
Lysear,
The hexagram for planetary work is not as effective as the heptagram although you can apply the extra line to all unicursive magical shapes.
The extra point in the pentagram makes a total of 7, in the heptagram it gives a total of 9 (both very magical numbers) yet in the hexagram it gives 8 which is a number that can add to your karma.
The hexagram in my opinion is a trap, although it works, but the heptagram is much better for evolutory magical purposes.
keep it up. Regards
thankyou,I will try and find some protection rituals involving the heptagram, or construct one of my own. Perhaps I will just use the Hexagram rituals but change the sigils to heptagrams.
Lysear,
you have a very good attitude towards magic; To develop your own methods is an important key everyone must learn.
The pentagrams and heptagrams are a good starting point for real evolutory magic and are not just protections. They are the start of the alchemical marriage of the energies and their alter egos.
Regards
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To those of you asking about protection in the astral:
The most important aspect is to practise your prefered protection daily or twice daily until it intergrates itself into you and becomes permanent.
for instanse if you do the LBRP as a protection, measure your protection before you do it and after you do it. You can easily do this by using a pendulum and a scale from one to a hundred. ask to be shown your present level of protection then afterwards measure again. It should have increased??!! then ask to be shown your level of permanent integrated protection. you will be surprised at the differences.
Daily practise should slowly increase your permanent integrated protection.
For those of you that do the LBRP, here is a key for you to look for: try doing eight pentagrams instead of four. ie a different pentagram at all the 8 cardinal points (use a pendulum or your intuition to establish their colours and elements) please note that as you evolve the colours and elements change towards the element of pure spirit so keep checking to make sure you are still doing the right ones.
Do this for a while and then measure your protection again. Your permanent integrated protection will have risen dramatically.
And to finish here is a VERY important key for you all!!
Many magical texts explain to alter the starting point of the pentagram if you are banishing or ev/invoking a certain element.
This is complete rubbish..........
The unicursive pentagram is ALWAYS started from the apex (up top) then down right and so on and so forth.....it is purely your intention that dictates the element and whether it is a banishing pentagram or otherwise.
When you get back up to the top (your starting and sixth point) you still have not finished, (I'm gonna get attacked big time for divulging this bit!!) descend to the middle of the pentagram to create a central (and seventh) point and then push your joined fingers ( or dagger) into the pentagram to activate it. All the lines including the last must be drawn unicursively (in one continuous line)
This is the method that will make your protection REALLY work.
I think thats more than enough to be getting on with for now.
If Adrian wishes to move or make a copy of this post to the magic forum I think it would be very useful.
regards