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PLEASE PEOPLE HELP ME HERE, I AM IN URGENT NEED OF HELP..... ok let me gimme my short intro... I am a 20yrs old guy... my parents got separated from each other when i was just 10yrs old... from then onwards i live with my mother.... i have no contact with him since then but my parents have are not divorced... now the real problem starts here.. my father is into black magic for over 10 yrs now... he is cursing us our whole family now for more than 10years..... i have lost hope in life... we tried our best to sort out this problem but nothing is helping us... he has carried out all kinds of black magic upon us but don't know how we have survived till date.... it looks like a miracle to us.... we are very much emotionally disturbed....now i feel me and my family's only chance to get out of this is Astral Projection... do u think it is advisable for me to learn this astral projection in this type of situation?? also till date i had many out of body experiences ... not to mention that once i saw my father in graveyard at around 3.00am with another person doing nasty things targeting us.... so my question to u is should i go for astral projection? will i have any problem there , because i have read many books on astral projection and i am scared that because of my vibrations i many end up in lower planes, this is what is scaring me from trying to do it.... so people please help me, please serious genuine replies only.... sorry for a long post .... Thank you.

aw i wish i could help. I'm going on a retreat the next couple of days (starting today) to refine my astral techniques and stuff, maybe I can help then.

Remember, in times of peril, love energy is strongest, it'll make you invincible spiritually.

I'll send you strenghtening energy in the meantime.


kind regards,

Paul

thats sweet of you Tiny! but please help me answer my question should i go for astral projection or not??

Quote from: Shrikrishna on December 31, 2010, 06:29:19
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PLEASE PEOPLE HELP ME HERE, I AM IN URGENT NEED OF HELP..... ok let me gimme my short intro... I am a 20yrs old guy... my parents got separated from each other when i was just 10yrs old... from then onwards i live with my mother.... i have no contact with him since then but my parents have are not divorced... now the real problem starts here.. my father is into black magic for over 10 yrs now... he is cursing us our whole family now for more than 10years..... i have lost hope in life... we tried our best to sort out this problem but nothing is helping us... he has carried out all kinds of black magic upon us but don't know how we have survived till date.... it looks like a miracle to us.... we are very much emotionally disturbed....now i feel me and my family's only chance to get out of this is Astral Projection... do u think it is advisable for me to learn this astral projection in this type of situation?? also till date i had many out of body experiences ... not to mention that once i saw my father in graveyard at around 3.00am with another person doing nasty things targeting us.... so my question to u is should i go for astral projection? will i have any problem there , because i have read many books on astral projection and i am scared that because of my vibrations i many end up in lower planes, this is what is scaring me from trying to do it.... so people please help me, please serious genuine replies only.... sorry for a long post .... Thank you.

Hi Shrikrishna!

Welcome to the Astral Pulse.

The first thing to realize is the section of your post that I bolded and underlined.  It's probably the most relevant and important towards your own happiness.  Realize that YOU control your own destiny and nobody else has that power.  You say that "YOU" have lost hope... I don't think this really has anything to do with anything anyone is doing "to you".  Stuff like "Black magic" (or whatever you want to call it) can only affect you if you give it the power to do so.

Choose to have hope.
Choose to believe.
Choose to be happy.

In my opinion, that's the cure.  :)

I wish you all the good luck in the world.

I have entity's using black magic against me all the time
They do only really have power if you let them

I think astral projection for you would be a good thing.it would show you what you was capable of and also reduce much of your fears

try this method for removing any negative links you have with your father or anyone else
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/help_for_beginers-t32612.0.html

Good Luck
:NoY:

thanks a lot everybody :-D.... but still i am expecting more replies to this post .... :-)

Shrikrishna, the only way to solve this problem is to dissolve your fear. Always remember that you have control over your own reality. When you dissolve your fear, you will be able to astral project much easier and face your fear of "black magic". If you let your fear control you, then your subconscious will associate this with "black magic".

I advise you get rid of any fear that you may have of black magic. You can face all of your fears through astral projection if you are able to achieve it.

Remember, You always have control over your destiny,

+Explorer+

Quote from: Shrikrishna on December 31, 2010, 06:29:19
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PLEASE PEOPLE HELP ME HERE, I AM IN URGENT NEED OF HELP.....

Hi Shri Krishna.  I have some questions.

Quoteok let me gimme my short intro... I am a 20yrs old guy... my parents got separated from each other when i was just 10yrs old... from then onwards i live with my mother.... i have no contact with him since then but my parents have are not divorced... now the real problem starts here.. my father is into black magic for over 10 yrs now... he is cursing us our whole family now for more than 10years.....

Where did you get this information?  How do you know that he is cursing your family, and how do you know this is working?

Quotewe tried our best to sort out this problem but nothing is helping us... he has carried out all kinds of black magic upon us but don't know how we have survived till date.... it looks like a miracle to us.... we are very much emotionally disturbed....now i feel me and my family's only chance to get out of this is Astral Projection...

Why do you think Astral Projection is going to help with a curse?  What is the mechanism of this curse?

Quotedo u think it is advisable for me to learn this astral projection in this type of situation?? also till date i had many out of body experiences ..

If you are a spontaneous projector, then I do think it's advisable to learn to control your experiences.  However, if you are consumed by fear, you may project your fears into the experience.  But then again, I suspect you are already doing this, so you may have (no, you will have) to learn to separate your projected fears from the real fears.  The fact that the only damage done has been to you so far is emotional, speaks volumes.

Quotenot to mention that once i saw my father in graveyard at around 3.00am with another person doing nasty things targeting us....

Why were you in a graveyard at 3am, or did this happen in a dream?

Quoteso my question to u is should i go for astral projection? will i have any problem there , because i have read many books on astral projection and i am scared that because of my vibrations i many end up in lower planes,

Ok, I will say something completely controversial, that will bring much argument into this thread- but I suspect your vibration is not going to send you to any lower planes, but your fear will create scenarios that are designed to terrify you and make you understand that you cannot be harmed.  You will continue to go through these until this fact comes home to your mind- that you cannot be harmed physically, and the mental damage you are suffering is due to your fear and belief.

Quotethis is what is scaring me from trying to do it.... so people please help me, please serious genuine replies only.... sorry for a long post .... Thank you.

There are various techniques on learning projection- but in your case I think you need mental discipline and meditation, and if you have a religious persuasion call on the God of your understanding, so that you overcome this fear, and start to be proactive about your situation.

I hope this helped.
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thanks for concern CFTraveler and +Explorer+ .... yes we have seen and experienced the effects of black magic to a very large extent... my father himself cursed me so that that i become mad be get admitted to a mental hospital... we met many spiritual people , many curse removers may be which you people call them as witches they all tried their best but all failed.... after removing the curses and hexes and other black magic things we used to feel better for some days but we were back at the same old story.... there are some things i have seen in my life for which i have no words to explain , i believe even science cannot explain those things and trust even you won't believe(no offence please)...
as i said earlier i saw him in graveyard but i forgot to mention that it was in a dream but actually i feel it was my projection because i felt a falling down from e big height sensation , i usually project at night during sleep , sometimes also during afternoon night... just two dayz back i had a nightmare... In the dream the ghost was holding my left hand tightly was unwilling to leave me... that scared the **** out of me... i screamed a lot but was unable to get out of the dream state, this screaming was heard by my mother too... she tried to wake me up

but was unable to do so.... the witch we had consulted was telling us that our father has put up the soul of a dead pregnant woman after us to cause accidents to us and other physical loss.... my sister who is married and is residing in US is experiencing the same thing .... she met with two accidents first a major one and then a minor one... mostly at night i have many spontaneous projections ,,, i also see myself visiting a snake temple again and again and also see many snakes in pond... too many not just one...they don't bite me but they are just there... i also see many people visiting that temple .... i talked about it to many people but they tell us nothing to worry about it since they don't bite but some said that its the created of my father,, my mother knew all my father's wrong doing even before i was born, that he was into islamic black magic.... still today he has been ... by the way we are hindu by religion and a bramhin by caste..... i am very sorry if i am hurting anybody's religious sentiments but friends please don't get me wrong.. this is the truth what i am telling you..... so my request to CFTraveler is that when you project yourself do see my current condition and the pain we are going through if its possible for you .... :cry: sorry again for a long post ... thanks again for those points u mentioned :-)

I am trying to understand some of the things you are talking about, and I still don't understand.

How do you know your father cursed you and the rest of the family?

And why would he do this?  What is his purpose, what would he gain if something bad happened to you or your sister?

Quote from: CFTraveler on December 31, 2010, 17:40:05
I am trying to understand some of the things you are talking about, and I still don't understand.

How do you know your father cursed you and the rest of the family?

And why would he do this?  What is his purpose, what would he gain if something bad happened to you or your sister?

dude, this is long story short what i had told you....we stay in house which belongs to him and i mean that its registered in his name.. we
don't have any other house to live in .... he wants to stay with us to teach us a lesson it seems.... in 1983 year he took the power of attorney from my mother  of which my mother was not aware of then... ( in India its a rule that when a power of attorney is given to another person, then that another person has complete control over the belongings of the other person from whom it is taken) since then about 10 years ago he left our house with all the money which he had and he could have since then our sister looks after us.... then he started spreading grapevine that it was done by us purposely for the money thing.... again i must tell you that before all this happened we were Millionaires ...we did a project in Real Estate which was very much liked by the Indian Institute of Architecture (IIA) and we also received award for that... in our locality people fear him, they say his mind works like that of a small child.. always in a mood to fight with everyone... he has lots of extra marital affairs... his name is VISHNUDAS... many days earlier he used to sleep at his shop which is near to our home... then used to wake up at around 2.30am with something in his hand which he used to bury in the ground near our house...just outside our compound gate... all these 10 years we had lots of quarrels and fights in our house.... whenever we were thinking of doing any work or day today activities itself were taking lots of time.... he also got the black magic stuff reach my stomach due to which i started to grow thin and for sometime my mind stopped working but then it was removed and i am back to normal now.....he has also written letters stating clearly that he has killed so and so people from black magic from our own colony/society!!! we still have those letters... he has spread the news everywhere that today or tomorrow we will come to him begging for money and asking for forgiveness.... i want to know as to where he goes and does all this black magic things .... to me AP seems to be the only answer to stop him... by the way the most shocking thing to tell you is that he is 67yrs old!! but i am still confused whether to go AP or not because he has cursed us with so much of black magic that when as soon as i project i am not sure which ghosts or whose dead soul i am going to meet up there.... this is what is stopping me from doing  it. Won't the black magic have any effect on me in the astral plane? obviously it is going to have a bad effect, right??

Quote from: Shrikrishna on January 01, 2011, 03:51:09

I cannot help you much. But I will suggest you do yoga and meditation.

While black magic may exist, but like other members here have already said, the more you fear - the more the effect of these black magic may be.
Also, you said that you already had OBEs, and if you were not harmed during those OBEs, then why are you so scared now?

BTW, where in India are you from?

Quote from: Shrikrishna on January 01, 2011, 03:51:09
dude, this is long story short what i had told you....we stay in house which belongs to him and i mean that its registered in his name.. we
don't have any other house to live in .... he wants to stay with us to teach us a lesson it seems.... in 1983 year he took the power of attorney from my mother  of which my mother was not aware of then... ( in India its a rule that when a power of attorney is given to another person, then that another person has complete control over the belongings of the other person from whom it is taken) since then about 10 years ago he left our house with all the money which he had and he could have since then our sister looks after us.... then he started spreading grapevine that it was done by us purposely for the money thing.... again i must tell you that before all this happened we were Millionaires ...we did a project in Real Estate which was very much liked by the Indian Institute of Architecture (IIA) and we also received award for that... in our locality people fear him, they say his mind works like that of a small child.. always in a mood to fight with everyone... he has lots of extra marital affairs... his name is VISHNUDAS... many days earlier he used to sleep at his shop which is near to our home... then used to wake up at around 2.30am with something in his hand which he used to bury in the ground near our house...just outside our compound gate... all these 10 years we had lots of quarrels and fights in our house.... whenever we were thinking of doing any work or day today activities itself were taking lots of time.... he also got the black magic stuff reach my stomach due to which i started to grow thin and for sometime my mind stopped working but then it was removed and i am back to normal now.....he has also written letters stating clearly that he has killed so and so people from black magic from our own colony/society!!! we still have those letters... he has spread the news everywhere that today or tomorrow we will come to him begging for money and asking for forgiveness.... i want to know as to where he goes and does all this black magic things .... to me AP seems to be the only answer to stop him... by the way the most shocking thing to tell you is that he is 67yrs old!! but i am still confused whether to go AP or not because he has cursed us with so much of black magic that when as soon as i project i am not sure which ghosts or whose dead soul i am going to meet up there.... this is what is stopping me from doing  it. Won't the black magic have any effect on me in the astral plane? obviously it is going to have a bad effect, right??

Hi Shrikrishna,

It's really unfortunate what has befallen you and your family.  I can tell you one thing though, none of which has happened to you is due to black magic.  This man has just really got into your head in a very psychological way... that needs to be cut off.  I don't believe the Astral Plane isn't going to help you here.

Basically, he's just being a complete jerk... but from what you say, he's doing it well within the limits of the law.  Unfortunately.
You'll need to find a more "physical reality" solution to your problems.  :(

I'm sorry we couldn't help you more.

Quote from: cyborg on January 01, 2011, 10:35:20
I cannot help you much. But I will suggest you do yoga and meditation.

While black magic may exist, but like other members here have already said, the more you fear - the more the effect of these black magic may be.
Also, you said that you already had OBEs, and if you were not harmed during those OBEs, then why are you so scared now?

BTW, where in India are you from?

Hey Cyborg, I am from Goa, INDIA... but may i know the reason why you are asking??

Quote from: Xanth on January 01, 2011, 11:49:56
Hi Shrikrishna,

It's really unfortunate what has befallen you and your family.  I can tell you one thing though, none of which has happened to you is due to black magic.  This man has just really got into your head in a very psychological way... that needs to be cut off.  I don't believe the Astral Plane isn't going to help you here.

Basically, he's just being a complete jerk... but from what you say, he's doing it well within the limits of the law.  Unfortunately.
You'll need to find a more "physical reality" solution to your problems.  :(

I'm sorry we couldn't help you more.

Yes i agree to what you have said in the second paragraph... but i don't agree with what you have said in the first one... dude black magic does exist and when its cast upon you , your whole life is turned upside down.... i have seen and heard the same thing from many people... :( :(

Quote from: Shrikrishna on January 01, 2011, 16:24:55
Yes i agree to what you have said in the second paragraph... but i don't agree with what you have said in the first one... dude black magic does exist and when its cast upon you , your whole life is turned upside down.... i have seen and heard the same thing from many people... :( :(

Well, then I'm sorry... but, at the very least, I can't help you as long as you retain that particular belief.  My apologies.

As several people have already said to you in this thread... you control your own destiny.  Not someone else.
However, you have to choose to accept this as your reality.  What you're doing now is simply giving in.

I suggest you read this book right here: http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Psychic-Self-Defense-Handbook/dp/1571746390/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1293936043&sr=8-9

The above link is the book that will be released on Feb 1st
An older edition is: http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Psychic-Self-Defense-Understanding-Influences/dp/1571742212/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=IVHSQ1WWPJD1Z&colid=2APRMECRK9J88

Quote from: Shrikrishna on January 01, 2011, 16:20:44
Hey Cyborg, I am from Goa, INDIA... but may i know the reason why you are asking??

I was curious.
Anyway, I hope you are able to solve the problems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU

Shrikrishna, the best way to solve your paranormal problems would be to keep your mind centered and not resist those things you're afraid of. I'm not the first to say something like that, but I don't think that's practical for you since its been happening for so long. So instead, I'll tell you something I just thought of now designed to cancel out such things. You say the guy is really good at his "black magic". I don't like the word "magic" because it means theres no way to explain how it works, but I know what you're talking about. If you try to do the same thing back to him, you'll just make it worse, and I doubt you would expect it to have much effect since he's had so much practice at it. Instead, try dealing with the problem at its weakest point, which is: Why do the effects of his "black magic" go toward you instead of somewhere else or lots of places at once spread out and ineffective? Its targeted at a specific thing. If you don't look like that thing any more, it would go somewhere else, regardless of how powerful it is. So this is what I recommend (and I've never done this before, but I know enough paranormal things in general to predict what it would do)... Create a voodoo doll of yourself, which is simply a mental association of the doll and yourself that is strengthened over time. Make the connection really powerful until you get the feeling that if something happened to the doll it may be more likely to happen to you a little. Then burn and destroy the voodoo doll of yourself. Try to make all the bad things coming from that guy do their stuff to the doll of yourself. From what I understand about paranormal stuff, I'd expect that to reverse that guy's view of you and whatever he is doing. The bigger they come, the harder they fall. At least in theory.

But the best thing for you to do is stop resisting what he's mentally doing and let it pass through you without affecting you.

I just thought Don't worry, be happy was a cool route to go.  :-P

Does it feel like old times, Beavis?  :-)

Great!  Now I feel bad.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2e4NlnLr28

Naykid, yours is not a bad solution, but I don't think Shrikrishna has the state of mind that could do that right now, so I proposed something in the opposite direction and a double negation (on self instead of the attacker) to have the same effect as what you proposed.

Quote from: beavis on January 02, 2011, 23:36:54
Naykid, yours is not a bad solution, but I don't think Shrikrishna has the state of mind that could do that right now, so I proposed something in the opposite direction and a double negation (on self instead of the attacker) to have the same effect as what you proposed.

Huh?....

The purpose of my proposal was to cause Shrikrishna to have a centered mind. Shrikrishna is afraid of the "black magic". By doing some on self, the fear is cancelled out. There are paranormal effects of it too, but they should follow that same pattern. Its the paranormal version of reverse psychology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKGAdE6wwTM

I know it seems repetitive, just go with it.  :-)

Are YOU doing well?...

Quote from: beavis on January 02, 2011, 23:45:11
The purpose of my proposal was to cause Shrikrishna to have a centered mind. Shrikrishna is afraid of the "black magic". By doing some on self, the fear is cancelled out. There are paranormal effects of it too, but they should follow that same pattern. Its the paranormal version of reverse psychology.

I'm doing well, and you? 

Shirkishna is going to feel whatever he feels...be it "black magic" or not. 

Can you expound on the 'paranormal version of reverse psychology'?

It's so good to SEE YOU BEAVIS..it's been.....what?   Four or so years? 

I think I've confused people in this thread enough already.

No, don't run away.  I was thinking you were going to acknowledge my existence.  Tis all.

I was just having a go at ya.  Gov'ner,  :-P

Quote from: Shrikrishna on December 31, 2010, 06:29:19
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PLEASE PEOPLE HELP ME HERE, I AM IN URGENT NEED OF HELP..... ok let me gimme my short intro... I am a 20yrs old guy... my parents got separated from each other when i was just 10yrs old... from then onwards i live with my mother.... i have no contact with him since then but my parents have are not divorced... now the real problem starts here.. my father is into black magic for over 10 yrs now... he is cursing us our whole family now for more than 10years..... i have lost hope in life... we tried our best to sort out this problem but nothing is helping us... he has carried out all kinds of black magic upon us but don't know how we have survived till date.... it looks like a miracle to us.... we are very much emotionally disturbed....now i feel me and my family's only chance to get out of this is Astral Projection... do u think it is advisable for me to learn this astral projection in this type of situation?? also till date i had many out of body experiences ... not to mention that once i saw my father in graveyard at around 3.00am with another person doing nasty things targeting us.... so my question to u is should i go for astral projection? will i have any problem there , because i have read many books on astral projection and i am scared that because of my vibrations i many end up in lower planes, this is what is scaring me from trying to do it.... so people please help me, please serious genuine replies only.... sorry for a long post .... Thank you.

Hi

I think you shouldn't do it until you can stop being afraid.. You being so afraid will undoubtedly cause you to have a negative experience. Since you believe so much in this dark magick it will only you make it even more real. You will start to curse yourself with your own beliefs. Do whatever you can to help yourself believe that you are stronger than this darkness. Believe that Vishnu will protect you & your family & make it so.

Shrikrishna,

1. When you feel anything bad and suspect a self-conscious entity, say something like: "Go away! I don't want you here and you don't belong here. Go now! You, who causes me trouble, go away!"

2. When you rest and think of your father, send your feelings of love to his heart, that will stop most of the bad effects.

3. If you OBE, ask for a guide, and if the guide shows up, ask what to do.

Those are good ideas.
Shri Krishna, I do think that there is black magic and that there can be effects from it, but when I read your initial description of events, I do think Xanth is correct in saying that your problem is that your father is using psychological intimidation on you- and it is working.
One of the most powerful countermeasures in any psychic self defense is the knowledge- absolute knowledge that you really can't be harmed physically.  Anything else is cream at the top of the pie, so to speak.
If you approach this with fear, you need to convince yourself that you are not in physical danger.

Quote from: Xanth on January 01, 2011, 16:50:14
Well, then I'm sorry... but, at the very least, I can't help you as long as you retain that particular belief.  My apologies.

As several people have already said to you in this thread... you control your own destiny.  Not someone else.
However, you have to choose to accept this as your reality.  What you're doing now is simply giving in.

hm...... its ok Xanth,, no problem .... i agree to what you say... :-)

Quote from: +Explorer+ on January 01, 2011, 21:41:10
I suggest you read this book right here: http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Psychic-Self-Defense-Handbook/dp/1571746390/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1293936043&sr=8-9

The above link is the book that will be released on Feb 1st
An older edition is: http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Psychic-Self-Defense-Understanding-Influences/dp/1571742212/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=IVHSQ1WWPJD1Z&colid=2APRMECRK9J88

thanks dude i am looking forward to buy that book  :-D

Quote from: beavis on January 02, 2011, 22:59:49
Shrikrishna, the best way to solve your paranormal problems would be to keep your mind centered and not resist those things you're afraid of. I'm not the first to say something like that, but I don't think that's practical for you since its been happening for so long. So instead, I'll tell you something I just thought of now designed to cancel out such things. You say the guy is really good at his "black magic". I don't like the word "magic" because it means theres no way to explain how it works, but I know what you're talking about. If you try to do the same thing back to him, you'll just make it worse, and I doubt you would expect it to have much effect since he's had so much practice at it. Instead, try dealing with the problem at its weakest point, which is: Why do the effects of his "black magic" go toward you instead of somewhere else or lots of places at once spread out and ineffective? Its targeted at a specific thing. If you don't look like that thing any more, it would go somewhere else, regardless of how powerful it is. So this is what I recommend (and I've never done this before, but I know enough paranormal things in general to predict what it would do)... Create a voodoo doll of yourself, which is simply a mental association of the doll and yourself that is strengthened over time. Make the connection really powerful until you get the feeling that if something happened to the doll it may be more likely to happen to you a little. Then burn and destroy the voodoo doll of yourself. Try to make all the bad things coming from that guy do their stuff to the doll of yourself. From what I understand about paranormal stuff, I'd expect that to reverse that guy's view of you and whatever he is doing. The bigger they come, the harder they fall. At least in theory.

But the best thing for you to do is stop resisting what he's mentally doing and let it pass through you without affecting you.

hm...... ok thats a very good idea... i wonder why i didn't thought about it earlier  :-D anyways thanks a lot

Quote from: beavis on January 02, 2011, 23:45:11
The purpose of my proposal was to cause Shrikrishna to have a centered mind. Shrikrishna is afraid of the "black magic". By doing some on self, the fear is cancelled out. There are paranormal effects of it too, but they should follow that same pattern. Its the paranormal version of reverse psychology.

i got what you said but i think its going to take sometime now ... may be a month or so.... so lets see how it goes for me.. but according to what you said earlier if there is a deadly spell is placed and if its not removed in time then i fear that it will affect both of us -the voodoo doll and me  :? is it? won't that create more problems? or is it that what i am thinking is wrong practically?

Quote from: beavis on January 03, 2011, 00:02:47
I think I've confused people in this thread enough already.

Nope... you haven't  :-D

Quote from: testing on January 03, 2011, 03:24:47
Hi

Believe that Vishnu will protect you & your family & make it so.

are you talking about my father or the Lord Vishnu??  :?

Quote from: Pauli2 on January 03, 2011, 05:46:03
Shrikrishna,

1. When you feel anything bad and suspect a self-conscious entity, say something like: "Go away! I don't want you here and you don't belong here. Go now! You, who causes me trouble, go away!"

2. When you rest and think of your father, send your feelings of love to his heart, that will stop most of the bad effects.

3. If you OBE, ask for a guide, and if the guide shows up, ask what to do.

i think thats the best thing i can do right now  :-)

Quote from: CFTraveler on January 03, 2011, 12:49:10
Those are good ideas.
Shri Krishna, I do think that there is black magic and that there can be effects from it, but when I read your initial description of events, I do think Xanth is correct in saying that your problem is that your father is using psychological intimidation on you- and it is working.
One of the most powerful countermeasures in any psychic self defense is the knowledge- absolute knowledge that you really can't be harmed physically.  Anything else is cream at the top of the pie, so to speak.
If you approach this with fear, you need to convince yourself that you are not in physical danger.

dude, trust me black magic exists in this world, if u deny it then the effects can be less but that doesn't mean that its going to stop working completely  :-( 

I wonder what must happening to those black/dark magic spell casters/practitioners .... in the meantime won't they create bad karma for themselves just because they are getting paid for ruining other people's life.? aren't they brought to justice by GOD??  :x

Quote from: Shrikrishna on January 07, 2011, 10:51:40
I wonder what must happening to those black/dark magic spell casters/practitioners .... in the meantime won't they create bad karma for themselves just because they are getting paid for ruining other people's life.? aren't they brought to justice by GOD??  :x

I don't believe in karma or god...
So, per my beliefs... no.

They'll judge themselves when the time comes though.  Whether that act of self-judging means anything, we'll never really know. 

Quote from: Shrikrishna on January 07, 2011, 10:41:45
are you talking about my father or the Lord Vishnu??  :?

Lord Vishnu


Aren't you Hindu? What gods do you believe in.

Quote from: testing on January 07, 2011, 11:04:02
Lord Vishnu


Aren't you Hindu? What gods do you believe in.

yup i am hindu, but for the tantras and mantras i mean for the dark/black magic subject only one god has the absolute power although others do have if you know and that he is Lord Shankar! but we do worship Lord Vishnu  :-D

Quote from: Naykid on January 02, 2011, 23:27:59

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2e4NlnLr28

nice songs thanks for sharing   :wink:

Quote from: Shrikrishna on January 07, 2011, 11:10:45
yup i am hindu, but for the tantras and mantras i mean for the dark/black magic subject only one god has the absolute power although others do have if you know and that he is Lord Shankar! but we do worship Lord Vishnu  :-D

Ok, why don't you believe that Lord Shankar can protect you?

Do you practice magick yourself?

Quote from: Xanth on January 07, 2011, 10:55:34
I don't believe in karma or god...
So, per my beliefs... no.

They'll judge themselves when the time comes though.  Whether that act of self-judging means anything, we'll never really know. 

If there is no karma belief, than why bother with the self judgment? And why bother coming to this plane to begin with?  Do you believe in learning lessons, or are we here just to satisfy our own ego? 

Quote from: Naykid on January 07, 2011, 13:21:24
If there is no karma belief, than why bother with the self judgment?

I'm referring to someone else who might believe in such.

QuoteDo you believe in learning lessons, or are we here just to satisfy our own ego?

I believe we're here to simply experience in a different way than our natural state of being is.

I see it like this... as a spiritual being who isn't afflicted with any of the "physical reality" limitations that we have to put up with (survival, hunger, emotions, etc) how do you experience things?  How does someone explain what "hunger" is to an immortal spiritual soul?  The questions that arise out of answering that will feed a hundred more questions... while it's just easier to experience it. 

It's probably very much along the lines of why we tell people who come here asking for proof of astral projection that they should learn to experience it for themselves... cause explaining it just takes too long.  :)

Here's a thought...
Perhaps, as immortal spiritual beings... we're just really REALLY bored and live out these lives as a way to entertain ourselves.  LoL

Quote from: testing on January 07, 2011, 13:11:39

Ok, why don't you believe that Lord Shankar can protect you?

yes we do believe in him and probably because of  that we still have survived  :-D

And do you practice magick yourself?

Quote from: testing on January 07, 2011, 14:44:34
And do you practice magick yourself?

no i don't but i am actually interested in that , can you guide me as to where should i start?? i am very much interested in the occult things... but have decided to learn it in near future .. what you say ?  :-)

Well, actually I don't think its a good idea. I was wondering if that was part of your problem. You might want to work on overcoming your fear of the occult first.

Quote from: Xanth on January 07, 2011, 14:14:18
I'm referring to someone else who might believe in such.
I believe we're here to simply experience in a different way than our natural state of being is.

Oh, ok.

Quote from: XanthI see it like this... as a spiritual being who isn't afflicted with any of the "physical reality" limitations that we have to put up with (survival, hunger, emotions, etc) how do you experience things?  How does someone explain what "hunger" is to an immortal spiritual soul?  The questions that arise out of answering that will feed a hundred more questions... while it's just easier to experience it. 

I'm not quite sure I get this.  You are a spiritual being who HAS to live in the "physical reality" What are you saying here? 

Quote from: XanthIt's probably very much along the lines of why we tell people who come here asking for proof of astral projection that they should learn to experience it for themselves... cause explaining it just takes too long.  :)

OK, wait, are you saying you don't want to explain your belief/opinion because it will take too long?

Quote from: XanthHere's a thought...
Perhaps, as immortal spiritual beings... we're just really REALLY bored and live out these lives as a way to entertain ourselves.  LoL

That sounds like a very ego driven thing, IMO.  Thus the reason for my question about satisfying the ego.

Quote from: Naykid on January 07, 2011, 15:54:32
Oh, ok.
I'm not quite sure I get this.  You are a spiritual being who HAS to live in the "physical reality" What are you saying here? 
OK, wait, are you saying you don't want to explain your belief/opinion because it will take too long?
That sounds like a very ego driven thing, IMO.  Thus the reason for my question about satisfying the ego.

Naykid please stop arguing with everyone ..... :-)

Quote from: Shrikrishna on January 09, 2011, 12:42:27
Naykid please stop arguing with everyone ..... :-)

Excuse me?  Do I know you?

I was merely asking questions and it seems Xanth does not like answering them.  I think it's great to have an opinion, but it's usually just as great to tell why, instead of saying you just don't feel like explaining yourself.  Of course this is my opinion and I'm once again, merely stating it. 

I'm afraid that your behaviour is what Xanth likes to call instigating, so I would appreciate if you would discontinue, unless we can be assured that no one will be banned for their opinion, in that case, I'll be more than happy to continue said conversation.

No Nay, I'm just tired of having to constantly correct your incorrect assumptions that you seem to base your entire responses around regarding my opinions. 
So I choose to not engage you. 

My last post was quite concise... please re-read it if you wish to garner anymore opinion out of me.

Quote from: Xanth on January 09, 2011, 13:23:31
No Nay, I'm just tired of having to constantly correct your incorrect assumptions that you seem to base your entire responses around regarding my opinions.  
So I choose to not engage you.  

My last post was quite concise... please re-read it if you wish to garner anymore opinion out of me.

My god, I feel like I'm stuck in some really bad after school special.   :lol:

And why is it OK and not against the rules for you to instigate me?  But that aside, I'm trying to understand why you believe what you believe.   I didn't understand you because you didn't answer my question.  If you disagree with what I had to say then fine, that's cool, but instead of acting like some victim, explain why you don't think that.  For example, I quoted you saying, "Here's a thought...Perhaps, as immortal spiritual beings... we're just really REALLY bored and live out these lives as a way to entertain ourselves.  LoL" and I said that I thought that WAS satisfying the ego.  

Do you agree or not?  It's not an argument, it's a question.  Because in my mind there seems to be a contradiction, I'll go back and read though, as you suggest.  My reading comprehension isn't that great.

SO TO EVERYONE MY LAST QUESTION IS SHOULD I LEARN ASTRAL PROJECTION IN THIS CHAOTIC SITUATION? WON'T THAT HARM ME MENTALLY IN ANYWAY?? PLEASE EVERYONE ANSWER UP TO THE QUESTION ONLY, any suggestions are also appreciated.... ( i hope newcomers read the older posts to know my background)

SO TO EVERYONE MY LAST QUESTION IS SHOULD I LEARN ASTRAL PROJECTION IN THIS CHAOTIC SITUATION? WON'T THAT HARM ME MENTALLY IN ANYWAY?? PLEASE EVERYONE ANSWER UP TO THE QUESTION ONLY, any suggestions are also appreciated.... ( i hope newcomers read the older posts to know my background)
atleast somebody please reply to this post ,

Quote from: Shrikrishna on January 22, 2011, 14:45:54
SO TO EVERYONE MY LAST QUESTION IS SHOULD I LEARN ASTRAL PROJECTION IN THIS CHAOTIC SITUATION? WON'T THAT HARM ME MENTALLY IN ANYWAY?? PLEASE EVERYONE ANSWER UP TO THE QUESTION ONLY, any suggestions are also appreciated.... ( i hope newcomers read the older posts to know my background)
atleast somebody please reply to this post ,

The question is, can you learn it?  It requires detachment and concentration, and some degree of a peaceful environment to be able to do something with it- so I really don't think you have the emotional energy to cultivate it.  So, if I were you, I'd work on many other things before considering this.

Quote from: Shrikrishna on January 22, 2011, 14:45:54
SO TO EVERYONE MY LAST QUESTION IS SHOULD I LEARN ASTRAL PROJECTION IN THIS CHAOTIC SITUATION?

Perhaps you should learn some kind of astral healing method first?

Quote from: Shrikrishna on January 11, 2011, 14:48:07
SO TO EVERYONE MY LAST QUESTION IS SHOULD I LEARN ASTRAL PROJECTION IN THIS CHAOTIC SITUATION? WON'T THAT HARM ME MENTALLY IN ANYWAY?? PLEASE EVERYONE ANSWER UP TO THE QUESTION ONLY, any suggestions are also appreciated.... ( i hope newcomers read the older posts to know my background)

Why don't you try meditating first? Get in touch with your center. Try some energy work like qigong or tai chi to help you become clear.  Then you should have no doubts going into astral.

i not shure but it can help but if he too advance u need to find a advance spell teacher do dispelled the curese here ill find u his site hopefully he can help u he has 20 something years of experiences there also stuff selling on ebay called haunted on and on to help dispell them curses and protects u from curses and bad people with bad intentions hopes this helps man wish u best of luck

here it is u gotta find ur own way to contact him

http://spellsandmagic.com/page2.html

i noe this will diffinetly help so keep me up dated this guy can hang him self with actual hooks and he can stop the bleeding and stop pain this guys in sane with magic

maybe you need to learn some black magick. look up luciferian magick

Quote from: steveo233 on March 27, 2011, 14:28:54
maybe you need to learn some black magick. look up luciferian magick

I wouldn't recommend this.

I would recommend praying, forgiving your father, and filling yourself up with love. It may seem stupid but love is unimaginably powerful.

Quote from: MilesB on April 07, 2011, 22:55:45
I wouldn't recommend this.

I would recommend praying, forgiving your father, and filling yourself up with love. It may seem stupid but love is unimaginably powerful.

I Agree with you milesB , even some astrologers suggested to us the same thing , but now i am here with a new question, he has been casting black magic spells almost daily for more than 7 years now , how come that evil/bad karma hasn't effected/affected him in anyway?? is karma cleaning possible in a situation where you try to kill your own childrens and fill others with joy?? is this the rule of this world??? we often "say what goes around comes around" but is this true?? i am highly doubting this saying..... almost have lost faith in GOD now... are there any free spell-casters available??.. one more thing how can a person cast spells almost everyday?! or even curse others everyday?? if  you are comfortable with astral projection then atleast once you just try to monitor my father's activities because  its the only way you will be able to see how insane he is .... i am not forcing you but just you can see it for yourself....may be you can explain me what you saw!

Quote from: in_search on March 24, 2011, 08:45:41
i not shure but it can help but if he too advance u need to find a advance spell teacher do dispelled the curese here ill find u his site hopefully he can help u he has 20 something years of experiences there also stuff selling on ebay called haunted on and on to help dispell them curses and protects u from curses and bad people with bad intentions hopes this helps man wish u best of luck

here it is u gotta find ur own way to contact him

http://spellsandmagic.com/page2.html

i noe this will diffinetly help so keep me up dated this guy can hang him self with actual hooks and he can stop the bleeding and stop pain this guys in sane with magic

thanks a lot dude, i have been looking for such people but till date didn't found anyone that helpful.... :-)

Quote from: steveo233 on March 27, 2011, 14:28:54
maybe you need to learn some black magick. look up luciferian magick

hey i am just a beginner in magic and i haven't carried out any initiation yet ... just reading books at first hand ..trying to explore more..
i mite not be comfortable with that thing... i am not an experienced magician... so it mite turn into something more worse ... what you say?? can you recommend me any books on black magic for beginners??? i really want to learn black magic, i have lots of interest in it! :-D

Quote from: Shrikrishna on April 09, 2011, 08:12:47can you recommend me any books on black magic for beginners??? i really want to learn black magic, i have lots of interest in it! :-D

this is a book with really interesting, [link ->]   dark end heavy magi (http://www.amazon.com/Harry-Potter-Deathly-Hallows-Book/dp/0545139708/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1302355175&sr=1-2) !!!

i recommend seeing a therapist.

Quote from: Pauli2 on April 09, 2011, 10:08:32
this is a book with really interesting, [link ->]   dark end heavy magi (http://www.amazon.com/Harry-Potter-Deathly-Hallows-Book/dp/0545139708/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1302355175&sr=1-2) !!!

was that a joke??!! i am fighting for my life here and you are thinking of harry potter!! have you any sense of the link you have forward me??

Quote from: personalreality on April 09, 2011, 10:19:32
i recommend seeing a therapist.

I'll second this.

I'll also say... DO NOT try to get help for your issues on the INTERNET.  Nothing here can help you.

Quote from: Shrikrishna on April 10, 2011, 17:00:41
was that a joke??!! i am fighting for my life here and you are thinking of harry potter!! have you any sense of the link you have forward me??

If you are fighting for your life what makes you think dark magic is going to help?  It's like giving a loaded gun to someone who is being punched in the face repeatedly-while it's happening.  Chances are they are going to shoot themselves-or the other person will take the gun and shoot them- and there is no coming back from that.
I agree that you should seek therapy- and maybe it can help clear your mind for anything else that might work.

OP, I would like to clarify that I am not a non-believer.  I don't doubt the power of magic.  There is no such thing as black or dark magic though, there are only black or dark magicians.  It's the intent and purpose behind a ritual that makes it a malevolent act.  In and of itself, magic is very neutral. 

A large part of my job is helping people counteract what they believe to be magical attacks against them.  I NEVER tell people to retaliate, for two good reasons.  First, how are you doing right by yourself if you just react?  It's more important for your own development to handle the situation in a non-aggressive manner (in my opinion, but I have practical experience).  Second, stuff comes back to you in magical practice.  I don't know the "physics" behind why, but I've seen it happen. 

When I teach people how to handle these things I always suggest practical, real world solutions first.  Talk to the person you suspect, try to remove them from your life, whatever.  The point is, if you can settle something through communication and understanding, that's what you should do.  If you cannot do these things then your next option is to cleanse and protect yourself.  You can cleanse yourself in numerous ways, but I would suggest sage smudging yourself or something similar.  You should also burn a black candle to absorb all of the "negativity" that is being directed at you.  When the candle is done, if there is any wax or other part of the candle left, bury it.  (This is very important because black candles ABSORB, which means that if there is any candle left, it contains all that negativity and it will leech back into your environment)  Then I would burn a white candle to purify yourself and your space.  You could also invest in a black crystal to wear or carry, and that will protect you.

Now, having said that, I don't think this is your problem.  If you're just being intentionally over dramatic for the fun of it, then you are annoying and should just move on to another forum of people who are silly enough to get all dramatic over nothing as well.  If you really believe this and are this intense about it, I think you may have some paranoia problems or something similar and you need professional help so that you don't hurt yourself or others.  I'm not saying that you're crazy or mentally ill, but everyone needs someone to talk to sometimes and we may not be the right people to be your counselor in this situation. 

Either way, one of these solutions could be of use.  Just don't let yourself be bamboozled or taken advantage of when there is no legitimate cause for concern. 

Quote from: personalreality on April 12, 2011, 00:55:08
OP, I would like to clarify that I am not a non-believer.  I don't doubt the power of magic.  There is no such thing as black or dark magic though, there are only black or dark magicians.  It's the intent and purpose behind a ritual that makes it a malevolent act.  In and of itself, magic is very neutral. 

i agree with this one.... you are absolutely right ..Magic can be used in both the ways... and so there are those people who are good / evil... magic is always neutral... :-)

Quote from: personalreality on April 12, 2011, 00:55:08

A large part of my job is helping people counteract what they believe to be magical attacks against them.

do you have  a website of your own?? i mean is there any way i can contact you?

no.  i work at a metaphysical bookshop, so i help my customers.  it's partially for sales, they buy the supplies they would need for such a job.  however, quite often i find a way for them to do it without having to buy anything because i refuse to use my counseling to boost sales, it's just not what i'm about.  but, i will offer any advice i may have that could help here on the forums.  just PM me and i can try to help, at least tell you what i'd do.

Astral project and find your spirit guide. I believe that's what is protecting from all these troubles. By the way, your dad is going to die a horrorble death if he doesn't stop. The only light waiting for him at the end of the tunnel will be mighty hot.

Quote from: Lucidmage on May 17, 2011, 13:17:07
By the way, your dad is going to die a horrorble death if he doesn't stop. The only light waiting for him at the end of the tunnel will be mighty hot.

i agree with what you have said because its the same thing many spiritualists said to us ...... many people have said that he wont die in a easy manner..

Quote from: Lucidmage on May 17, 2011, 13:17:07
Astral project and find your spirit guide. I believe that's what is protecting from all these troubles.

hm... ok thats not a bad idea but the problem is that will i encounter any black magic attack on me the moment i enter astral plane? because as earlier i told you iam attacked by black magic and i doubt that might attract not so pleasant astral entities .... what is your opinion about this??

Shrikrishna,

I feel your pain.
Curses, black magic, and hexes are real. They are all based in evil concepts and get their power from terror and fear.
First defense is not to be afraid. Fear is used as a weapon by them. You will feel their black magic on your skin as they cast you. Be not afraid, for help is at hand.
I will stand with you against him.
I am a magician of the unconventional sorts. I have outcast a high black witch using my own brand of White Magic, magic based in Love and Light.
PM me, I will personally assist you in casting against this person.

Love and courage,

Neil

Quote from: Shrikrishna on December 31, 2010, 06:29:19
:cry:
PLEASE PEOPLE HELP ME HERE, I AM IN URGENT NEED OF HELP.....

Never cast black magic against someone even in return, that makes you guilty of casting black magic. Black magic gets its power from evil.
We get our power from Love and Light. It is far stronger by magnitudes than black magic. Don't even return his spells to him. That is unloving.
He is exempt from karma, because being orientated towards evil, he is rewarded by doing evil deeds.
Now something important to note: being on the side of Good and Love, you need to be especially cautious in being good to everything around you. Any little slip ups, no matter how small, and by the law of karma, you are more effect of his spells. Nice one hey?
Try to be nice to him if you speak to him telephonically. Sure hate him in your mind but not face to face with him. Don't acknowledge to him (if you have already it doesn't matter) that you know he is casting you.
Then, together with me, we will cast him with all our love and righteousness, on the same level you are being affected by black magic, he can be punished by Love magic.

Quote from: Shrikrishna on April 09, 2011, 07:57:51
I Agree with you milesB , even some astrologers suggested to us the same thing , but now i am here with a new question, he has been casting black magic spells almost daily for more than 7 years now , how come that evil/bad karma hasn't effected/affected him in anyway??

Shrikrishna
You don't have to learn to AP in order to cast this guy. Believe me, he isn't casting you directly on the astral. Your spirit is getting hit on the astral, though.
If you project, you will be too unconscious in order to effectively either defend yourself or to attack him.
Depending on his level he might be very aware on the astral, and this can make it dangerous to project anywhere near him. He can hit you on the astral and do some serious damage to your astral body.
He cannot hit you nearly as badly when you are firmly encased in your physical "protection".
As you learn to cast Love magic, you will become more aware of beings on the astral.
I recommend that you Cast by power of Will (Postulate) based in Love and Light, in normal reality circumstances.
I do not know Magick, but I do not think it is based in Love and Light. If not, then I recommend using Love magic above Magick.

Quote from: Xanth on January 01, 2011, 11:49:56
Hi Shrikrishna,

It's really unfortunate what has befallen you and your family.  I can tell you one thing though, none of which has happened to you is due to black magic.  This man has just really got into your head in a very psychological way... that needs to be cut off.  I don't believe the Astral Plane isn't going to help you here.

You'll need to find a more "physical reality" solution to your problems.  :(

I agree Xanth, and it's also possible the stalker/father is actually poisoning the family or something along those lines. Anything from arsenic to a hallucinogen. Maybe they're even being microwaved. Get them declared mentally incompetent, power of attorney... I don't know much about Indian culture but this sounds like classic controlling behavior and psychological warfare from someone who can't admit they were wrong. JMO here.

Shrikrishna would it be possible to hire a private detective (or get a friend) to see what your father is really up to? I have a sneaking suspicion that crimes are being committed, and then you can report him to the authorities. Or, perhaps he's doing nothing at all, and you can then try to figure out the real source of your family's trouble. That's the only suggestion I have in the non-astral realm. I don't have enough experience to answer your original question.
Oh, and go see your doctor for a complete physical.

Experts on magic insisting there is no magic LOL

Quote from: Lizelle on May 29, 2011, 08:33:25
I agree Xanth, and it's also possible the stalker/father is actually poisoning the family

Quote from: Shrikrishna on December 31, 2010, 06:29:19
:cry:
PLEASE PEOPLE HELP ME HERE, I AM IN URGENT NEED OF HELP..... ok let me gimme my short intro... I am a 20yrs old guy... my parents got separated from each other when i was just 10yrs old... from then onwards i live with my mother.... i have no contact with him since then but my parents have are not divorced... now the real problem starts here.. my father is into black magic for over 10 yrs now... he is cursing us our whole family now for more than 10years..... i have lost hope in life... we tried our best to sort out this problem but nothing is helping us... he has carried out all kinds of black magic upon us but don't know how we have survived till date.... it looks like a miracle to us.... we are very much emotionally disturbed....now i feel me and my family's only chance to get out of this is Astral Projection... do u think it is advisable for me to learn this astral projection in this type of situation?? also till date i had many out of body experiences ... not to mention that once i saw my father in graveyard at around 3.00am with another person doing nasty things targeting us.... so my question to u is should i go for astral projection? will i have any problem there , because i have read many books on astral projection and i am scared that because of my vibrations i many end up in lower planes, this is what is scaring me from trying to do it.... so people please help me, please serious genuine replies only.... sorry for a long post .... Thank you.

What makes you believe that your father is cursing you with black magic, Shrikrishna? Also, have no fear and you won't manifest any "lower planes". Lower planes only exist in the minds of those who believe in such things. Should you go for astral projection? Absolutely, it could provide you with some helpful insights about you and those that surround you, it can also be great fun. But you must enter the state free of preconceived ideas. Just be the explorer rather than jumping to conclusions about the nature of things.

Btw, ether2, there is nothing "magical" about astral projection. :roll:

Quote from: Summerlander on May 29, 2011, 15:43:48
Btw, ether2, there is nothing "magical" about astral projection. :roll:

WT... :roll:

where did i even say that?

agreed...astral projection is not "magical"... especially only being the Astral Plain :-D

what do you do for a job, man

good luck

love all

 :-D

I'm an artist, an illustrator, a salesman, an administrator, and above all...a parent. Oh yeah, currently writing a book about OOBEs and my journey with this phenomenon too! So I guess that makes me a writer too!

Interests: Science, consciousness, dreams, psychology, Buddhism.

Quote from: Lizelle on May 29, 2011, 08:33:25
I agree Xanth, and it's also possible the stalker/father is actually poisoning the family or something along those lines. Anything from arsenic to a hallucinogen. Maybe they're even being microwaved. Get them declared mentally incompetent, power of attorney... I don't know much about Indian culture but this sounds like classic controlling behavior and psychological warfare from someone who can't admit they were wrong. JMO here.

Shrikrishna would it be possible to hire a private detective (or get a friend) to see what your father is really up to? I have a sneaking suspicion that crimes are being committed, and then you can report him to the authorities. Or, perhaps he's doing nothing at all, and you can then try to figure out the real source of your family's trouble. That's the only suggestion I have in the non-astral realm. I don't have enough experience to answer your original question.
Oh, and go see your doctor for a complete physical.

have had hired many private detectives , some of them were called from out of town also ... everything is confirmed , i stand by whatever i have said..... i still can't digest the fact that you don't believe in Magic.......   and i do not need a complete physical checkup ... i don't have any serious mental or physical problems ... i think you have misunderstood me... if you still can't believe me then a better idea would be to astral project and see my condition ..... i give you the full  permission to watch on my condition .... or a better thing to do would be to spy on him ..... if possible do it .. and see for yourself whether i am speaking truth or false..... i have the proof but the worst thing is that we don't have laws for black magic in India the courts doesn't accept it ... they don't care whether you are cursed or you are cursing someone .... many lives have been lost and families have run into all kinds of physical and mental losses ... specially the GOA state of INDIA is the place where  magic things are practised widely.... travel here and ask anyone , i bet they won't deny it.... India is not that good country..... i don't what else to say to convince you....  :|

Quote from: Summerlander on May 29, 2011, 15:43:48
Lower planes only exist in the minds of those who believe in such things. Should you go for astral projection? Absolutely, it could provide you with some helpful insights about you and those that surround you, it can also be great fun. But you must enter the state free of preconceived ideas. Just be the explorer rather than jumping to conclusions about the nature of things.

Btw, ether2, there is nothing "magical" about astral projection. :roll:

i felt like giving it a try but i am somewhat afraid ....  :-(

Quote from: GodsProxy on May 29, 2011, 10:21:57
Experts on magic insisting there is no magic LOL

LOL!! hats off to them! LOL LOL!!   :-D  :-D

One thing i have found is that Magic is Totally NEUTRAL ..... the spell casters intentions decides whether it will be white or black!!!! correct me if i am wrong ....  :-P

Don't be afraid. Nothing can truly harm you in that state. You know what I do when I see something scary in that state? I no longer run. I just face it unafraid and such things just end up vanishing or you end up having power over them. I stand in front of them unafraid and take away their claim to an actual existence in my mind. In the end I reduce them to nothing - pretty much like what the Buddha did to Mara (the lord of illusions) in his enlightening meditative state as the story goes...

Because of this attitude, I'm more likely to encounter beings who are either more pleasant or indifferent to me.

Quote from: Summerlander on June 08, 2011, 15:28:33
Don't be afraid. Nothing can truly harm you in that state. You know what I do when I see something scary in that state? I no longer run. I just face it unafraid and such things just end up vanishing or you end up having power over them. I stand in front of them unafraid and take away their claim to an actual existence in my mind. In the end I reduce them to nothing - pretty much like what the Buddha did to Mara (the lord of illusions) in his enlightening meditative state as the story goes...

Because of this attitude, I'm more likely to encounter beings who are either more pleasant or indifferent to me.

:-)

Quote from: ether2 on May 30, 2011, 05:29:02
WT... :roll:

where did i even say that?

agreed...astral projection is not "magical"... especially only being the Astral Plain :-D

what do you do for a job, man

good luck

love all

:-D  :-D

i don't know the context, but ap is the pinnacle of magic.

only the master magician can properly and effectively project.

Quote from: personalreality on June 08, 2011, 20:45:18
i don't know the context, but ap is the pinnacle of magic.
only the master magician can properly and effectively project.

I occasionally saw similar comments by stray neophytes and aspirants on the main Magick boards.

In my communication with a world renowned Master Magician it was clearly indicated to me that AP outside the confines of ritual preparation and direction was strictly TABOO.

He told me this when I was just starting to AP under my own steam, on my own, when I dern well pleased.

In this particular case I think the neophytes may be on to something.

I think the Magick Order Schools produce initiates of relatively high intellectual achievement but in actual practice their demonstrable level of attainment can be less than impressive.

QuoteIn my communication with a world renowned Master Magician it was clearly indicated to me that AP outside the confines of ritual preparation and direction was strictly TABOO.

:roll:

Have you ever thought of the reason why they DECIDED to label it taboo?

Quote from: personalreality on June 08, 2011, 20:45:18
i don't know the context, but ap is the pinnacle of magic.

only the master magician can properly and effectively project.

Magic??

:?

Explain...

QuoteHave you ever thought of the reason why they DECIDED to label it taboo?

There were a variety of good reasons. For one thing, it was observed over the years that more than a few initiates would become mentally and emotionally unstable during the course of the early training and the OBE state made matters much worse. Even without their intensive training regimen, even just dabbling in these matters is not without some small manifestations of this. "Delusions of Grandeur" is a common aspect of this phenomenon and we see these types on metaphysical forums on a regular basis.

The Magick Orders routinely reject a number of aspirants seeking initiation. At a certain level of the Magick Training Regimen continued lessons would become the equivalent of placing a homicidal psychopath in military, Special Forces training.

Quote from: personalreality on June 08, 2011, 20:45:18
i don't know the context, but ap is the pinnacle of magic.

only the master magician can properly and effectively project.

obviously you dont just mean just projecting to the Astral plain as clearly their are other plains/realms above that...

what do ya call if ya go better than that, im not talking about projection either...levitation, teleportation and then their something above those two as they are way over projecting...i would have thought one would call that the pinnacle of magic(al) if one choose to use that term as im sure Franz Bardon being the one that bought the word magician of Hermetics to the public would agree being the pinnacle...

good luck

love all

ether2, I think many people would agree that you are the lamest troll ever. I can see why the people at Astral viewers are getting sick of your garish manner already. I've been getting complaints on my Facebook from AV members I kept in touch with! You tend to kill the threads with your nonsense. I think you only come here to make fun of people and you haven't even tried to induce an OOBE or anything. I don't think you even believe in that. I feel sorry for you! :lol:

LOL! I felt like being mean! I guess it's the caffeine antagonising my adenosine levels. :-D

AVers hay,  funny people over their :roll:...

induce OBe's that would be a minds ability, right... that would mean ya would ya need to access a higher in consciousness, agree...the  consciousness is the knowledge/wisdom which comes from the dimensions we live in, agree...which is the minds abilities gained from the higher in consciousness in and if ya lucky above or in the dimension/s we live in...

as ya know i can OBe/AP at over 100 km/h whilst driveing a car fully conscious and aware of both my actions in the nonphysical and the physicals whilst driveing a car, safely of course...OBe longest time over 5 seconds, AP longest time around 2 seconds, highest speed just above 135 km/h for OBe only for half a second maybe...

of course being able to do that you need to know how the cause and effect of things happen which of course i am talking about safety, meaning to avoid crashing, which of course i know a shlt load about...

so why people have their books/CD's i add a little more that enables ya to extend that knowledge and go further than that (to gain knowledge in higher in consciousness/dimensions which is minds abilities) should one of course study their books/CD's that teach ya how to OB'e/AP, i dont know any books/CD's that teach ya how to OBe/AP whilst driveing, and safely of course, it's just knowledge from the higher in consciousness in the dimensions we (or are to be :-D) live in...
this will help ya on ya way:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_metaphysics/the_conscious_mind_ladder_of_dimensions-t34269.0.html

hence... Love All




you just miss me, because i have not been very active lately on sites, as i have finished to a degree in areas :-)...
i am working on cornering the economies (make it work) of economics/energy/minds abilities etc ya get the idea of it so as to tie it all together complicated process (fun) as ya know mostly everything for reason :-)...so these people that study the mind and practise/abilities can make a good liveing out of it...
you could really laugh at me for that last paragraph, you know make fun of


hows that for trolling :-)


good luck

love all

LMAO!!!! :lol:

Higher consciousness! Higher this, higher that...in the dimensions we live in... :roll:...don't you get tired of repeating yourself? And in the end it's all about you. how much you know and others don't.

The ego... :-D

No wonder you think this world is hell! Because so many people contradict you. So many people threaten your ego. And then there's death...I mean this is the one that really threatens you! All that is you...GONE! You...gone! Hmmm...

There's a comfort in that thought... :evil:

hay SL
you should have a word to Xanth that he deleted my replys to this reply/post of yours, it might look like to some viewers that im ignoring you, i would have responded sooner but i thought i would make you look a little better, see how nice i am...
:-D

good luck

love all

Quote from: ether2 on June 22, 2011, 20:50:18
hay SL
you should have a word to Xanth that he deleted my replys to this reply/post of yours, it might look like to some viewers that im ignoring you, i would have responded sooner but i thought i would make you look a little better, see how nice i am...
:-D

good luck

love all

You're such a saint... >_<

Quote from: Summerlander on June 09, 2011, 17:11:16
Magic??

:?

Explain...

I'll refer loosely to Arthur C. Clarke, the sci-fi author. 

One of his three laws is something to the effect of, any sufficiently advanced technology appears as magic.

That in mind, magic is a scientific/technological understanding of reality and how to manipulate it.  We, as ones who chase the mystery, are indeed aspiring magicians.  we seek to understand reality and how our perception interacts with it.  that's all magic is.  nothing supernatural about it.  it's just a technological understanding that "modern science" is either unaware of, or unable to acknowledge.  we are still systematic in the way we approach this stuff.  and the techniques are repeatable by other people with similar results.  of course, because of the nature of the topic (subjective as it is), the results won't be identical, but results are rarely identical, even in the most well designed experiment.  bottom line, magic is nothing more than an ability to use our will and intention to direct our attention in a manner that shows results in our reality.  astral projection then is the pinnacle because it requires the utmost control of attention in order to completely disassociate from the body and explore the otherworlds.  with proper training, AP is the most effective manner in which to manipulate physical reality.  it is literally a "graphic user interface" for the mind.  go into your mind, move things around, change some, remove others and your physical reality changes, beliefs are altered and reality moves in kind.

Quoteastral projection then is the pinnacle because it requires the utmost control of attention in order to completely disassociate from the body and explore the otherworlds.  with proper training, AP is the most effective manner in which to manipulate physical reality.  it is literally a "graphic user interface" for the mind.

This would be a great opener for a new thread. PR, I don't know how this is viewed here but this discussion seems to have drifted far off course.  Perhaps you could paste this last post of yours into a new thread and we can pick it up from there...?....

done.

it's in the magic section.

Someone said:

"AP is the most effective manner in which to manipulate physical reality"

REALLY??

I am currently typing away on my keyboard and manipulating physical reality. If I wanted to, I could cause havoc by smashing my neighbour's face in, kick the butcher in the gonads, knock fences down, chop trees down and make them fall on vehicles...

Tell me...could I do all of this to the physical realm during an OOBE? :roll:

I'd have to assume that they mean manipulating that which isn't easily seen in our material, physical reality.

Manipulating the data behind our reality.  I'm sure the member in question will correct me if I'm wrong.  :)

lol.

you knew EXACTLY what was meant summerlander.

you just need to start sh*t whenever you can.

but yea, in the sense of like blowing stuff up with your mind.  lol!

kidding.

but seriously, when talking about making changes in the mind, ap is the most effective method.

i guess i should be more clear, but i guess i assumed that in a forum discussing META-physical phenomena, people would get what was meant by "manipulating reality".

my fault.

but you're not wrong in a strictly physical sense.

Personally, I don't believe in black Magic or curses. To believe in a curse is really about allowing outside influences to weaken your personal power. To hold onto the belief that you have been cursed may very well be an excuse for you not to acknowledge your personal responsibility in creating unpleasant life situations.

So, what do you really want? What is it that helps you create change when you are struggling and resistant to help? The reality is "You can't help someone who is not willing".

Turn your thoughts and conversations around to be more positive and power packed with hope, love and action.Don't be afraid to believe that you can have the peace and love you want and deserve.

"Your worst enemy cannot harm you as much as your own unguarded thoughts."
Watch your Thoughts, they become words.
Watch yourWords, they become actions.
Watch yourActions, they become habits.
Watch yourHabits, they become character.
Watch yourCharacter, for it becomes your Destiny.

I hope this helps :)

Quote from: questerr on June 24, 2011, 21:21:50
Personally, I don't believe in black Magic or curses. To believe in a curse is really about allowing outside influences to weaken your personal power. To hold onto the belief that you have been cursed may very well be an excuse for you not to acknowledge your personal responsibility in creating unpleasant life situations.

Firstly, if someone actually believes that then they have no idea what magic is or what they're talking about.

Secondly, word up.  I call it victim consciousness and it is the plague of humanity.  Everyone constantly wants to feel like a victim to outside circumstances (to circumstances, genetics, energy, whatever) without ever taking personal responsibility for their situation.  I don't care what your excuse may be, anything that ever happens to anyone is a result of their actions, beliefs, thoughts, etc.  Whether people buy this or not is irrelevant, we all act like giant magnets, attracting what our subconscious puts out there.  Granted, we are often conditioned before we have an opportunity to dispute it, but nevertheless, we are still responsible, we are the ones that attract our lives, no one else.

That might sound a bit harsh, but nevertheless, I agree with you 100% questerr.

Well... from experience, I have had evil people astral project to me! into black magic and such! for the most part protecting yourself and your family is quite easy! Though many may disagree the first thing that needs to happen is WHO IS THE SPIRITUAL HEAD in his house? if its him... then he can take spiritual control of his house for his family! Black magic wont work against a protection prayer or affirmation. I know it works because my visitors at night cant come anymore, after I took control of the house, claimed I was the spiritual head and shut down all areas of attack... of course its his father attacking him so he needs to sever ties with his father spiritually. You see, if his father is indeed the spiritual head of that domain he can cause havoc to those that live there! No matter if they fear or not! Loving isnt enough if your under his spiritual control... i could type for hrs on this topic... but be assured... YOU NEED TO TAKE DOMINION OF THAT HOUSE! if you need help PM me... I help countless individuals who have had the same problem of Black magic torment...
Hate to put it this way... but its kinda like a cat... that urinates in every corner claiming its his and if you come in your butt is mine... in the spiritual! Often after setting a protection... all black magic sent will fall on the sender if it has no where else to go! Then He would be tormenting himself! HAHAHAHAHAHAAH
I need to modify for clarity... lets look at the plagues of Egypt back when Moses was here... they put blood on the doorways to keep the plagues out! same concept! Now... it does not matter your religion!!!!!!!!!!! use a protection prayer... but first take responsibility of the spiritual head first!!!! or your wasting your time!

well, he's got a point  :evil:

Hello everyone am back after a long time , .,.,, and thanks everyone for those replies , am back with some positive energy , hope you all can feel it , :D .......................ha! so now i would like to share with you my current life situation , my life is atleast much better than it was when i had posted my problems here ..... thanks to a local deity , yes you all heard it right , a local deity , the story is like this :
me and my mother were searching for a permanent solution to our problems as you all know what it is , i won't be going through it again , so one day me and my mum were at the place of a spiritual master seeking the answers to our solution(we had an appointment with him)  , there was this one lady sitting on the chairs outside the cabin of the master , so we just had a brief chat with her and then my mum shared our story with the lady , and it felt like she already knew the only solution to our problem , she then took us to the home of another "lady" which i will call lady2 , so this lady2 is a lady who used to go in Trance , she still does it , and when she did a local deity(goddess) used to possess her body and she gave accurate answers to everyone's problems , she was so powerful that i could feel her aura nearly 200 meters away!!!!! her home is in a village near to our city(in the same state) when we(me and my mum) first met her , i felt true love , i almost broke down in tears , and my strong will power was almost melted , she poured out everything my father had done to us .... but she didnt promised anything , but she helped us a lot , she brought down the strong will of my father , she also told us that my father has been keeping ghosts around him for his protection , and she also told that he had directed two ghosts towards us ,  this was very shocking i got instant goosebumps , now i mean how can a person maintain ghosts around him for his proctection??????? "and that too absolutely under his control??????? """ is this really possible ?????  i want to know the truth ......  she then chanted some mantras and gave us some kind of orange powder and told us that it should be kept in our palm and should be blown away in his name (anyone knows what happens by doing this????) and we did this process almost 8 times not everyday but in between 7-8 months and then one day my mum heard my father saying to his lawyer that its getting tough for him , he said he feels like his energy is draining and all , and he cant take it anymore , during last year after this process we did , he was coming at 8am to open his shop , instead of coming at 6.00am his regular time , he was tired we could , suddenly in one year everything changed , this lady2 changed my whole life .... i got good people's company and now everything is on track , it hardly gets off the track sometimes , my life might have all happiness i need but it certainly does the mental peace which i was missing for quiet a long time , now that i have the positive mental attitude i feel i can do anything that i want , our father is still cursing and is hexing us but that doesnt seem to make much difference to us like it did years before ......... i really don't know how to thank this lady2 ....

""where there is a will, there is a way"" :D my father is still doing his black magic on us , but i dont give him a excrement , now my question to you all is this: what would have happened if i had astral projected to him when he had these ghosts near his body protecting him 24/7 ,,,,,i would have been dead!!!!!!( thank god i didnt do it)?????? during this time he did visited temple , then how come these ghosts didnt get scared ??? secondly his native place where he is residing for the past 8 years is very close to his temple , almost 20 meters away from the temple is his room then how come those ghosts stayed with him for so long????? these two questions are really needed to be think about ....... i want to tell you all that he is using the Islamic Black Magic very much to do these things , a month ago he had thrown some threads and a silver colored tube , they were like a pendant , and there were two of these wrapped in a 2x2 inch white color cloth ,were thrown near my window, my mum opened it and she was then ill for two days , she had fever and cold then she got ok , today he had thrown a white paper with my name written on it -inside our compound wall, i don't know what it was for but i didnt touch it , instead we burned it outside our compound , our fight still goes on for a better tomorrow, and Since we are on the path of truth , we are not giving up , hoping to live life fully one day , :)

 Kharma will always catch up to you sooner or later. It seems it has caught up to him and now it's his turn to "pay the piper". The only thing is he gets it back 3 Fold. I hope you are not paying this Lady2, for I feel you are being taken for a ride. All you need is a white sphere of light around you, no magic can penetrate that if you believe. Light can always brighten a dark room, but dark can't influence the light at all unless there is no light to begin with.
Good Luck and Safe Travels!  :-)

i want to ask you all a very serious question , you people believe that you get back 3 fold everything bad that you do to others in black magic ,then after so many years of cursing , hexing , and killing others using black magic how he had still survived , he has not got any cancer , he is doing so many bad deeds to us and to anyone who is his enemy , he has been doing like this for years , sometimes i wonder when he is going to get back all these things , when the law of karma is going to apply to his life , and most important of all what would be his future????      am sure he is going to have a very dangerous death , probably his body is going to take up a disease that will be never curable and even heard of by anyone anywhere on this planet, many people say that he is going to die a very slow death(where he will beg that he wants to die),  i dont know whether its true or false , what you people think ???? 

Quote from: Lionheart on October 17, 2011, 18:21:58
Kharma will always catch up to you sooner or later. It seems it has caught up to him and now it's his turn to "pay the piper". The only thing is he gets it back 3 Fold. I hope you are not paying this Lady2, for I feel you are being taken for a ride. All you need is a white sphere of light around you, no magic can penetrate that if you believe. Light can always brighten a dark room, but dark can't influence the light at all unless there is no light to begin with.
Good Luck and Safe Travels!  :-)

yes , we worked with her for free , we didnt pay her anything , and please dont say anything to her not because that she might harm you( i dont mean to offend you) but she is being worshipped by many in India , she has many temples in one state ,.,.,.,.... many people worship her , so definitely she cannot be fake , if she really wanted money she would have tricked us , as simple as that , but please answer my questions also that are in the previous post , thanks a lot for the reply .....

You know what I've come to a realization over the past few years.
Magic will only work If you believe in it.

You can cast a spell and If you believe it don't believe in it and have doubts then it won't works but If you believe in it with all your heart than it will work.

Think of it like this, You look through eBay and decide to buy something the moment you click the purchase button you know your getting that item.
You know it will be delivered to your door step. Magic is the same.

Another example if  cast a wealth spell and I believe and know I'll receive 500 bucks next week I will.
If I don't cast a wealth spell and I believe I'll receive 500 bucks next week I still will.

So what is magic, simply it doesn't exist. We'll not to put it that way, but it's the power of harnessing your thoughts.

Magic is just another word for harnessing the power of your thoughts, and desires to attract the concentrated thought or desire.


Have faith my friend, believe you are protected, believe nothing can harm you or your family and to be honest nothing will harm you or your family.
I know you have what it takes you are safe ok :)
Believe it.