Everything is magic!!!
any technology significantly more advanced than what we know is indistinguishable for magic.
what if its not technology?
Hi beav31is,
Sometimes when I see the word magic in the context of a spiritual/metaphysical topic it refers to the wiccan and pagan type. So perhaps a broader definition would include that. In any event, your post got me interested in doing a Google search, and this interesting website popped up:
http://www.magick.com.au/community/
Very best,
this board should probably be spelled 'magick' instead of 'magic'.. 'magic' is more commonly used for slight of hand, while 'magick' is different.
you could use magick and belong to many different religions, but the basic concept is that everything is energy on one level or another, and the human mind/spirit can alter that energy if it wants.
when you perform magick/a ritual/etc., what you want is set into motion to eventually happen somehow. you have to have confidence in your spell/ritual, have some energy built up your in chakras to use, and be very focused and concentrated on what you are doing, constantly thinking about what you want done.
there are all kinds of ways of going about doing those things.. whats great about magick is that anything goes. its all mental. you make your own truth. thats what lets the spells on sites like www.spellsandmagic.com or anywhere else, really, work.
there are articles on this site about astral magick.. this is about the same thing, only in the astral.
Telekinesis -magic, levitation-magic, mind over matter-magic.
Just like a cavemen in 20 000 years visiting the modern techno exhibition.[:D].
Magic is a word use to refer the lack of knowledge and understanding about it. There is nothing paranormal except the lack the knowledge. We should use, telekinesis -knowldge, levitation-knowledge.....
Magic is nothing to do with rituals.
Just my humble opnion.
maybe it's my opinion the sky is red. [|)]
if you don't think magick has anything to do with rituals or spells, do some research on it.. quick research: google.com. telekinesis, psychokinesis, etc.. are just that.. kinesises.. back in the 1700's, someone could easily confuse such things for magick due to a lack of knowledge, but back then, anything unexplained was magic (ie births of animals such as mice).
forget the idea that 'magic' is the same thing as any kinesis.. two completely different things, related only by the fact that they are both metaphysical. just look it up, man.
What I actually mean is that ritual masks out the truth of 'magic'. Rituals are not required to preform 'magic'!!
Greetings everyone,
Magic has nothing to do with spells and rituals per se, and they are definitely not required to bring results. Spells, rituals, candles, and other instruments, are merely tools which people use to provide the necessary focus, energy and intent directed towards the universal laws and energies, in order to manifest the desired results.
Magic in its highest form involves working directly as an aspect of, and in total harmony with the universe,The All, Spirit.
Magic is also very often confused with sorcery and other such practices.
With best regards,
Adrian.
Thanks Adrian,
I hadn't really thought of "magic" before other than one would think of a tv magician. The only other related word I came across had the "k" tacked onto the end with the ritual related connotation.
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Originally posted by Adrian
Magic in its highest form involves working directly as an aspect of, and in total harmony with the universe,The All, Spirit.
Can you recommend any books or websites that touch on the concept in your quote? I like what you had to say there and would enjoy reading any related material.
Very best,
I'm impressed no-one has regurgitated the traditional golden dawn definition of magick yet (or not word for word any way!) this is a good thing, because the way i see it, magick comes in all sorts of packages, and the golden dawn system is just one of those, albeit a famous one. Magick, for me is all about the special feelings associated with the metaphysical. The tools, the sigils, the hand movements, its these special bits and bobs that attracted me to it in the first place.
Greetings Nick,
quote:
Originally posted by Nick
Thanks Adrian,
I hadn't really thought of "magic" before other than one would think of a tv magician. The only other related word I came across had the "k" tacked onto the end with the ritual related connotation.
The "k" was added by Aleister Crowley. The general opinion seems to be that he added the "k" so as not confused it with stage magic, illusionists etc. With Aleister Crowley things were very rarely that simple however, and this is just such an example it seems. Aleister Crowley often had much deeper motives, and I reckon that this is most certainly no exception. I don't want to go to deeply into this matter of the "k", but suffice it to say that "Magick" is now generally considered to be the spelling for Crowley's idea of Magick. Wicca also uses the spelling "Magick" because Gerald Gardner who constructed Wicca, largely obtained much of the Wiccan ideas, rituals etc. directly from Crowley himself and who he knew very well.
If you think about it, adding a "k" for the reason of identifying it from Magic is completely superfluous anyway. If you are speaking about Magic(k) with someone, then the spelling will not arise in the conversation, it will be obvious what is being said and in what context. If you are reading about it, then again, the words will speak for themselves. If anyone saw "Magick" written down in isolation, it would rightly be assumed to be a spelling mistake.
Magic is a sacred science, originating from the Magi, the highest initiates, involving full identification with universal laws, and there is absolutely no justification in altering the spelling.
With best regards,
Adrian.
"Magick is the Science and Art of causing Change to occur
in conformity with Will." - Crowley
hehehe
sorry had to be done
and I fully agree with above definition. Except perhaps that it doesn't emphasise how the change is directly caused by the will.
And I like the k! I think it is necessary to distinguish true magick between stage trick magic. If someone think its a spelling mistake then chances are they have barely heard of real magick anyway!
Rob
I consider magic to be 'simple' things like the sun rising/setting, the moon and the night sky, friendship, music etc. - the things some might take for granted.
Magick on the other hand is, i think, perfectly defined with that Crowley quote Inguma posted. So spells/sigils and such would be magick. I think i read a (Crowley?) quote once also describe the writing of a book as magick. And the different tools used to publish it etc. as being a part of it. I wish i had saved it somewhere now.
If I was to go out in my school and say "I practice astral projection", the first thing most of them would say is "Ha, he thinks he's Harry Potter, look at the 'magical' guy"
Most people use the term "magic" to describe anything that science can't, which is totally wrong. Most of it, like psionics, is purely energy manipulation, and is readily understandable. As for real magic, I have no clue.
Greetings no_leaf_clover,
quote:
Originally posted by no_leaf_clover
this board should probably be spelled 'magick' instead of 'magic'.. 'magic' is more commonly used for slight of hand, while 'magick' is different.
It never ceases to suprise me just how much Crowley has managed to confuse things regarding Magic! It won't be the first time - his "love is the law, love under will" was responsible for the sexual revolution of the sixties when everyone misunderstood "love".
The fact is, as I have said before, Magic has always been Magic since time immemorial, named after the highest initiates - the Magi. Magic is the highest and most sacred science involving alignment with and utilsation of universal laws.
It is of no importance that illusionists, charalatans, prestidigitators and others have hijacked the word "Magic". Does it matter to true magicians what the charlatans call their trade anyway?
There is not much doubt that Crowley added the "k" for "other" reasons, and not for what people might think, and certainly not for this "to differentiate it from stage magic" thing.
If people saw the word Magic(k) written down, they are hardly going to say to themselves "ahh yes, that means it is not stage magic" - people not involved in magic do not think that way. If they saw the word "magick" written down, they would likely think it is a spelling error which in fact it more or less is.
with best regards,
Adrian.
OK I'm going to jump in again here.
Many people who practise, infact most who I have come across, *do* use the magick spelling, simply to differentiate themselves from the other ground. Myself, I definately use it - and if someone else sees me writing this, and dont know much about real magick (hehe), I would hope that they might wonder "why is it being spelled like that?" - if they knew me they certainly would teehehehe. The fact is that the word has not just been hijacked - its use for 99.9% of the population simply means conjureres. It has been totally derailed and trampled on as a word, meaning something totally contrary to what it should. Myself, I prefer not to associate the art of magick with cheap stage shows [}:)]. Even if it just makes me feel a bit better!
OK so the word came from magi - but the roman alphabet is not that old in the big old scheme of things. If you are looking at the root of the word, and the word" magi" really is very old, then the spelling is simply a phoenetic thing anyway. So you might as well use either spelling.
But yes, crowley probably did just change the spelling (if it was him who did it originally) just to "mystify" it a bit. I will concede to that. But won't object to it! I *like* mysterious lol!
We should have a vote.....
cheers!!
Rob
Magic - That which has no logical explanation, but yet was manifested. Beyond reality and defying all explanation - An illusion. Trickery!
Such meanings are complete and utter nonsense. All that happens is an effect of some cause, and all causes are actions and if it was acted once then it is a reality and all realities are possible more than once, and through repetition we may study behaviour and the HOW of occurance thus leading to understanding and an explanation. There is nothing that is, was or will be that has no explanation. Rather, it is humans who do not (yet) understand the underlying workings of seemingly magical acts that define magic the unknown manifested.
The truth my friends is that there is no magic in magic. It is only in our ignorance of reality that we consider the manifestation of the unknown to be a work of magic.
Scientists are quite right when they stand up against the claims of magic... for if it lacks logic, it can not be! However, the counter arguement is that given that Science admits to still be discovering new things each day, then by that very fact they can not claim to know everything and with that their right to state the impossibility of an unlikely but true manifestation is thus revoked from them! They do not yet know all Universal Laws, and if they ever did, discovery would cease to exist, for all would be known and all would be explainable.
In the study of magic, the only veils are the truths which we have ignored or not yet learned.
In the end, the highest magician knows there really is no magic; for he knows everything that is possible is also real and there are no mysteries - Nothing seems magical to him. When this is achieved, when no amazement is left, then real attainment has taken place.
All is natural and all within the confines of the Universal Laws is possible. Existence outside of Universal Law is an impossibility. It is only individual men blurting the "miracle" word that admit their ignorance and especially their inability.
But that too is normal.. all is as it should be, for it can not be otherwise.
Happy Contemplations :)
Adept of Light
Adept of Light, that depends on your definition of magic. If magic is just causing change with your will, then something like baking a cake would be magic just as much as invoking a spirit. If that is your definition, then magic would still exist, it would just be applied in a more general way. Of course there may be no need to the word, but what the word stands for would still exist.
I hope people can undersand what i just said [:D]
Edit: Had to change my bad cake-flying analogy. Then i had to edit the edit.
Greetings everyone,
I have to agree with Adept_of_Light on his view of Magic.
As I mentioned in my other posts, Magic is an entirely natural process which utilises universal laws, correspondence, cause and effect etc.. For every effect there is always a cause, notwithstanding the fact that most people including science do not understand the cause and effect of Magic.
I think the most important point to make is that true Magic in its highest and proper form is not about spells, rituals and the like - although that might not be the case for Magic(k) [:)]
I would cite the so called "miracles" as quoted in the bible. These might seem like "miracles" to most people, but in fact they were nothing more than the outworkings of natural universal laws.
With best regards,
Adrian.
yeah i woke up early this morning and it was magic.. brewed some coffee which again took some magic.
I personally like definitions that cloud the issue less and tell a person who doesn't practice "magik" or really know what it means to practice it what the heck it is.
This "magic is everything you do there is no definition" type of thing really says nothing at all and smells of keeping your secrets or trying to be intentionally enigmatic which is annoying.
Why does true and high magic not involve spells or ritual but magik might. Is that another slight on crowley? The more I read about that guy and the types of people he bothers the more I want to read his work.
I thought the spelling wasn't necessary so why then is there a distinction?
Greetings Goingslow,
The reason I said that Magic(k) might inlude spells and rituals is for no other reason that the people who spell it that way do tend to focus on spells and rituals. Let me say straight away that there is nothing wrong with spells and rituals, they are just another tool for manifestation, specifically the direction of intent, energy and focus.
What this thread is really about is defining true Magic which requires non of the above, because a true Magician understands how to align him/herself with universal laws and bring about the desired results naturally, and without all of the theatricals.
Everything is Magic (as Alchimiste pointed out), because each cause has a corresponding effect. Magic is about higher causes, and hence the phrase "High Magic".
High Magic is no more about spells and rituals therefore than it is about illusionists and prestidigitators.
With best regards
Adrian.
"High Magic is no more about spells and rituals therefore than it is about illusionists and prestidigitators."
Magick and high magick use the same forces, unlike illusionist who just use slight of hand to achieve nothing. The rituals and spells are tools. An artist might use a brush, or his fingers, but he is still an artist either way. However someone who hangs pictures he didn't make on walls and says "look at this!! look at me!!!" is not an artist, he's a charlatan. But if everyone thought that this is all that artists do, maybe the real artists would prefer to call themselves painters or etc.
Dear goingslow,
If you were to take your coffee machine and walk up to village of tribal men who never before saw a "civilized" human, let alone a coffee machine and you started serving up expressos... would they not think you and your diabolical machine to be magical? Would they not ooohhh and ahhhh at your every action ?
As I've stated before, "it is humans who do not (yet) understand the underlying workings of seemingly magical acts that define magic the unknown manifested.".
There is nothing more magical about your coffee machine as there is about levitation. The difference is you understand how your coffee machine works but not how levitation does.
But the concept of magic, in a more spiritual sense, *IS* far more than just mere knowledge, it is more than just the ability to control the manifestation of that knowledge, it transcends powers or fancy manifestations all together. Magical acts, powers and special abilities to the spiritual aspirant are actually distractions he should not pay much attention to, because the real magic is at the end of the path, not in the side-alleys with glittery lights and temptation.
Things magical, are not completely secret knowledge because there are people who know it, it is however hidden from those that are not yet ready to use it.
In the same way that a tribal man might hurt/burn his hand handling the coffee machine or get electrocuted if he is not careful with the electrical cord, in a similar way there are dangers of varying degrees for those that perform magic without understanding exactly what they are doing or have little control of their performance/ritual/will etc.
If you search long enough, you WILL find books that'll teach you how seemingly amazing magical things might be performed, but what you will also discover is that the Holy Mysteries, the most seemingly amazing magical acts - ARE SELF-REVEALING and no book or collection of words in conveyed language shall bestow upon you the power to control the manifestation of magical acts. Like everything else worthy of achieving in life, you will have to work for it. Only when you are ready (read: have done the necessary preliminary work) will the veil be dropped and the mystery revealed, and then my friend, there will be nothing magical about it because it will be completely natural to you. As natural as operating a coffee machine!
There are dozens, no hundreds of definitions of magic out there. Everybody and their grandma can give you one, and it would be hard to get everybody to agree on one. This is so because people are all at different levels of evolution and have had different levels of experience in magical arts, so what is little more than natural for one person might be a HUGE revelation or scary power to another person. The definitions vary according to one's perspective, experience and understanding - as is the case with anything else. For me to give you my definition would almost be pointless and take away from your ability to reach the same conclusion on your own, through self-discovery. I do not wish to take away from you the magical experience that such a process might provide you with. Some things are better left to self-discovery, rather than attaining quick answers which in themselves contain only words, words, words and no real magic [;)]
Take good care,
Adept of Light
Adept of light,
Thank you for the explanation. It makes a lot more sense to me what people mean by that expression. Its just past 4 am so I cant think of anything else to say.. thank god for that miraculous coffee. Im sure they'd also be impressed at the waking up effect my medicine would have =)
Adept of Light,
If you don't mind my asking your opinion on this,
Do you believe that the Kabbalah is an accurate model to how the universe manifests?
Also, would you recommend the books of Franz Bardon?
Thanks for any input.
Lasher
There must be at least as many forms of magic as there are operators. From Black magic (the real black magic, that has nothing to do with the rubbish that is out of the twisted minds of the inquisition, or the throat cutting of chickens on a Saturday night) White magic, Red magic and Green magic and all those practices that filter between these four "mother" magics. All unfortunately of little interest as having been completely bastardized and corrupted they are useful only to the avid readers of todays tabloid off the shelf Grimoires and spell books!
"THE ONLY AND TRUE GOAL OF MAGIC IS THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE OPERATOR, TO FIND HIS/HER DIVINE ESSENCE, TO MERGE INTO THE ALL POWERFULL LIGHT, TO AID HIM/HER SUCCEED AND REALISE ON ALL THE PLANES OF HIS/HER EARTHLY EXISTENCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GRAND LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE."
R. Gascon 1993
Magic is a tool for evolution.
Hello Lasher, I do believe the *Mystical* Kabbalah to be an accurate model of how the Universe manifests yes, but that is only one of many models.
I would recommend the books of Franz Bardon for those that are serious about an ascendance type path and are looking for instructions, not fancy philosophies or elaborate theories.
His material is the type that is much better appreciated after one has seriously searched around and has not been satisfied with what was found. To give such material to a newcomer would be as giving pearls to the swine; I assure you it would not be understood, and would be regarded as boring and dry material (as are most instructional manuals).
Recognize though that Hermetics is not for everyone, and there are many other worthy paths out there. If the path you are on brings you to balance, understanding, love and spiritual evolvement, then pay attention, for you may have found one worth persuing.
alchimiste, I enjoyed "R. Gascon's" definition of magic. Thanks for sharing that.
Best Wishes,
Adept of Light
Is the kabbalah good enough for us ? Yes. is every other form concievable to the human mind good enough for us? Yes. Do we truly really know how the universe works? I guess no, maybe someone does, or has done once in times past. Maybe the time of understanding is round the corner, maybe the only time we have a glimmer of how the universe manifests itself is when we die. Until then I will continue to delve into the mysteries in all shapes and forms and try to discover where we belong in the scheme of things.
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Originally posted by Adept_of_Light
Hello Lasher, I do believe the *Mystical* Kabbalah to be an accurate model of how the Universe manifests yes, but that is only one of many models.
Thanks for your response, Adept_of_Light.
Recently I began reading some about the Mystical Kabbalah in the Jewish tradition. I had always stayed away from books about Kabbalah because they seemed very complex and intimidating. But I picked up a cassette tape set called, The Mystical Kabbalah by Rabbi David A Cooper, to listen to while driving my route.
The ideas presented really resonated with me. It was like all my diverse readings on religion, spirituality, mysticism, and the occult, were pulled together and could comfortably co-exist within the Kabbalah. Like a puzzle that makes no sense until the final piece is put into place.
But as soon as I returned to the bookstore for more insight I was overwhelmed by all of the books on Kabbalah. Where to begin?
I bought a few books that turned out to be kind of pop pablum for the masses. Not what I was looking for.
After reading this thread a bit, I decided to look at book reviews on Amazon.com. I decided that the book which most likely contains what I'm looking for is, The Key to the True Kaballah by Franz Bardon. Since it is the third book in a series of sorts, I decided to order all three, including Initiation Into Hermetics and The Practice of Magical Evocation.
To complete my order I bought, The Kybalion: A Study of the Hermetic Philosophy of Ancient Egypt and Greece by Three Initiates. A friend had lent that to me back in High School and I remember that it kind of blew my mind back then. I figured that this book would give me a good philosophical/historical foundation to build upon with the Franz Bardon books. They're all big books, so it will be a while before I make it to The Key to the True Kabbalah. But I have a feeling that it will be a very interesting journey...
Lasher
Hi Lasher -
Have you read Dion Fortune's Mystical Qabalah and Israel Regardie's Tree of Life or Garden of Pomegranates? I recommend them all... actually anything by these two authors are classic and important additions to a magickal library alongside Franz Bardon.
take care,
Kristen
P.S. dude - cool homepage
Greetings Lasher,
A very productive "trip to the bookstore" [:)]
There is no harm in having Bardons second and third books if for nothing more than to flip through for the moment. If, however, you choose to become a student of Bardon you will find that it will take you quite some time (years) to work through the first book. It is reccommended that one not progress beyond IIH until one has attained mastery of at least 4/5ths of the work (STEP 8)
I found the "Kyballion" to contain much more than the sum of it's words. I'll not comment more on it, rather let you draw your own conclusions.
Happy reading!
Dave
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Originally posted by Kristen
Hi Lasher -
Have you read Dion Fortune's Mystical Qabalah and Israel Regardie's Tree of Life or Garden of Pomegranates? I recommend them all... actually anything by these two authors are classic and important additions to a magickal library alongside Franz Bardon.
take care,
Kristen
P.S. dude - cool homepage
Hi Kristen,
Thanks for the book suggestions. I will definitely check them out.
Also, thanks for checking out my website. [:D]
It would be even cooler if I ever had time to update it. It hasn't been touched in well over a year. [:O]
Hopefully that will be changing soon, though.
Parmenion,
Thanks for your insights on the books. I can't wait 'til they arrive. [:)]
Lasher
Greetings everyone,
quote:
Originally posted by Adept_of_Light
Hello Lasher, I do believe the *Mystical* Kabbalah to be an accurate model of how the Universe manifests yes, but that is only one of many models.
I would recommend the books of Franz Bardon for those that are serious about an ascendance type path and are looking for instructions, not fancy philosophies or elaborate theories.
His material is the type that is much better appreciated after one has seriously searched around and has not been satisfied with what was found. To give such material to a newcomer would be as giving pearls to the swine; I assure you it would not be understood, and would be regarded as boring and dry material (as are most instructional manuals).
Recognize though that Hermetics is not for everyone, and there are many other worthy paths out there. If the path you are on brings you to balance, understanding, love and spiritual evolvement, then pay attention, for you may have found one worth persuing.
alchimiste, I enjoyed "R. Gascon's" definition of magic. Thanks for sharing that.
Best Wishes,
Adept of Light
Once again I would like agree completely with Adept_of_Light on all he says above.
Philosophy such as the Kaballah (and Sephir Yetzirah) and the various other ancient traditions and orders are all very well, but are unlikely, in and of themselves to enable progression on the path.
At the final analysis, progression incudes complete equilibrium and balance of body, Soul and Spirit, taming of the ego, (including the complete equilibration fo all negative attributes),and realisation of the Divine within ourselves - true Magic. These take dedication and work,and no strictly philosophical work will help much there.
There are many paths in the world of course, Yoga being one of them in all of its forms, but Yoga mostly focusses on just one aspect of the "I", e.g. the path of love, the path of devotion etc.,and are therefore not balanced.
A path of initiation is excellent if a person has the necessary discipline and dedication, but anyone and everyone can work upon the fundamentals as mentioned above on a day to day basis.
People that have attained such equlibrium can easily perform those things regarded as "Magic", but in reality it is the realisation and out-working with immutable universal laws that enables true Magic - not spells, rituals or philosophies.
With best regards,
Adrian.
"What is magic? (as appose to magick)"
-isn´t the Magic Energetic experiments?
because nobody knows exactly what is he doing,
nobody knows exactly what he does or practise.
-especialy in magic.
-isn´t this true?
lets take an example of driving a car.
everyone knows what is the result
of turning the ignition.
-but exactly how is this happening?
chemical reaction, physical- are all well known, and familiar,
a lot of people know that, -there are even hundreds of textbooks!
-but exactly how is this happening?
-nobody knows.
magic is even complex then igniting a car.
-do you agree?
Magic is sensitive Energetic skill.
and races and nations have been studying it
for thousands and hundreds and hundred and thousands of years.
they have learned a few magic tricks,
a few technics they have gained,
even to levitate and project, into the animal and human,
walk on water and to kill with the thought.
they learned how to manipulate a variety of persons and entities
they have even gained their cultures
after their magic.
wrote thousands of textbooks.
but they have never yet found out
how does the magic work.
-do you know, O´ Magicians of the forum?
infact, many or the all of the participants
of this forum, yet,
haven´t have read not even one of those books
developed for the thousands of years.
you are not even looking for that books.
you just experiment.
-how come you know so much about the magic (forums)?
thanks.
P.S.we are not in the baloons, separated from each-other.
we are in the same Universe connected with the Energy strings
from above and below.
those Energy strings(channels) operate through energetic commands
or so-called elements.
there are certain beings who only understand elements.
there are certain beings who only understand element commands.
those are the higher ranking beings,
because we are in the physical world,
and they are in the Energetic world.
those are the higher ranking beings, because they are elemental.
we have our protection while being in the material world,
but when dead, feeding the worms,
what do you think,
what this beings will do to you?
could you stop them?
they are well-practise and skilled ONLY IN
energetic influences and attacks.
and there are milons of them
What is then you think that will save you from them?
-the goodness of your soul?
or your "magic" skills and technics?
perhaps you could stop a few of them with that.
do you think you will be protected using your charms and
spells, or cuting their throats with your "magic"-swords?
-by the way, they do not have throats!
do you think you will be able to avoid them using
"standard-magic-diversion number 2"?
then what then?
toothbrush or the chatolic cross?
or then you will convert to Christian faith.
maybe that will stop them.
maybe they have watched the TV,
especially Vatican chanell especially the sunday-mass .
and then, maybe out-of-the-laugh that will stop´em.
we are not in the baloons, separated from each-other.
we are in the same Universe connected with the Energy strings
always! influencing each-other.
(depending only on the state of consciousness we are in.)
and you do not know even what you do.
you just makes excuses for yourself and others.
I guess, then,
not all of the people could be magicians.
some of you are only the food for a large variety of creatures.
so, the question stands.
how does exactly magic work/operate?
please, without analysing my words.
Azaithoth999 the red, that was beautiful! It captured some of the truth.
The truth being, most of the people on this forums ARE NOT MAGICIANS. Only do a very small number of the (30,000 now?) Astralpulse members practice any form of magic(k), or follow any kind of esoteric path.
Most people on Astralpulse come to this site originally because they want to know more about out-of-body (OBE) experiences. Some might go on to practice to have an OBE and succeed, while others try to OBE, but then quit (because it is difficult!). Others will be content to have fun posting messages and learning new things.
The Magic Forum on Astralpulse is only a few weeks old. Only a few who post here claim to "know" anything about magic. And NOBODY here is an "expert!" Magic is a glorious, Divine Mystery.
As for me, I have what one could call "witch moments." Meaning, through most of my day, I am an ordinary Mother, driving to work, drinking too much coffee, running around an office doing too much work, taking care of my child at home, cooking and taking care of my house . . . BUT . . .
. . . in my more quiet, solitary moments, where I do my magical "work," I enjoy incredible clarity, where I understand, I know magic, the Holographic Universe makes perfect sense, I move through different worlds, talk with plants, animals, and otherworldly beings,change the shape of things through the application of Intent, (Will) and CHANGE REALITY ITSELF in the process. . . . but not all at the same time of course! These moments come and go like a dream, and they have NOTHING to do with ceremony or ritual. THIS is what Tisha calls magic.
I have so much more to say, but this message is too long! So much to say about what is "out there" when we die. All I can say now is that your head matters! Your soul matters! Work on your SOUL so that when you die, of the INFINITE number of realities on the Astral, you will find yourself in a nice place, instead of on the Lower Astral, where so much negativity lurks, "Black Lodge" and "negs" and such, ew! Dwelling on the negative will GUARANTEE its company. Work on blessedness instead.
Have a blessed day everyone,
positive and negative. they eliminate each-other.
what is the 3RD part?
and, never-mind the astral.
-that´s just a new invention!
(of human unconsciouss emotions)
-that´s just an Internet of Energetic fields.
and Internet is just a childrens-play-ground.
Energy field of Power-play is more Interesting
and more real.
and you can die there, not just dream.(Tishue day-dreaming)
Cool a new forum.
Is magic anything we cant explain? What if we explain it later with increased paranormal knowledge, is it still magic? Or is magic anything paranormal? Or is it a card game?
I think all magic can be explained and understood by an entity of sufficient intelligence and experience. I consider telekinesis to be magic.
I think some of the great magicians like david copperfield did real magic, not tricks, and they not only didnt want to give their secret away, but also couldnt because most people wouldnt understand the paranormal.