Hello peeps.
First of all about me. My name is David, i'm 29 years old and live in England. I have recently gone back to university to study biology after giving up my job of 8 years. I have had 3 experiences throughout my life that I believe are linked to OBE's and have ultimately led me here. My intent is to ascertain the validity and the truth of some of the (lets face it) rather fantastical claims made by verious people on various sites. Let me begin by stating that I am COMPLETELY open minded to ANY possibility. I feel I should also state that it is not my intention to have anyone prove the truth of astral travel to the world at large (although that would be my goal and aim should someone ADEQUATELY prove it to me)
I am not asking anyone to submit themselves to medical science or get strapped to a table in the lab or anything so tasteless and vulgar. What I propose is quite simple (if we take the claims of many on these sites to be true) and i fail to see why it has not already been done.
My challenge then. If you are reading this and can astral travel at will then PM me. I will give you my home address (slightly risky you may think but on the physical plane at least I am more than capable of looking after myself :wink:) We will arrange a date and a time. On said date and time you will project into my bedroom and tell me something specific (to be decided, it could be as simple as what posters do I have on my wall) You will then PM me again and tell me the information we have agreed on. If you can do this then that is all the proof I require. You will have my eternal friendship and gratitude. (although anybody who has taken the time out of their busy life to read this post has that too)
If you cannot AT at will then please do not just skip this post by. Pass it on to someone who can, or tell a friend about it and ask them to pass the message on. Please, please, please!! the more people that read this post the more likely I am to find a kindly soul willing to work with me on this endeavour. If you do one kind thing today then help me to circulate this thread or direct me to where I might I might recieve more help.
I must be honest and say that I am not expecting much of a response to this post and certainly not expecting anyone to take up my challenge, however I am prepared for you to pleasantly surprise me.
Just for those of you who think that I have no faith in this let me re-state. I personally have experienced 3 events in my life that as of yet escape a logical explanation. It very much felt like i was 'out of my body'. I would be more then happy to discuss these events in more detail with anyone intrested. However I cannot consciously and deliberately re-create the experience, though I continue to try.
So for me the jury is still out. My own experience may well have been a result of synapses mis-firing in my brain. Or a result of the gas the dentist gave me when I was 9 years old. The only first hand evidence that I have to support astral travel is this; When I was 21 i was trying to induce an OBE and entered what I think was the vibrational state that is so often talked about. It scared me out of my wits and I haven't tried again since until very recently.
Thankyou ever so much for taking the time to read this post. Whether astral travel and OBE's are true or not, whether you decide to help me or not I love you all dearly. If there is anything I can do to help anyone with their own enquiries just give me a shout. Keep smiling and have a fantastic day.
David
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So, you're looking for "absolute proof" of OBE's... you're going to be looking for a very long time.
The only proof you need is the proof you can provide on your own, to yourself.
Why is this so? If you told me you could lift 1000 lbs with your little finger would you reasonably expect me to believe you without a demonstration? I wouldn't think so. People are claiming they can seperate from their bodies fly around their neighbourhoods (or the world, or even the moon in some cases). People are claiming they can stick their etheric heads through walls and see what their neighbours are doing etc. So show me. Come and stick your head through my bedroom wall. Tell me what colour wall paper I have. It certainly isn't unreasonable to ask for a demonstration.
Let's try another approach then. Tell me why this can not be done. Lets start there.
I can give you a link to a past experiment that was similar to what you are proposing.
http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/chat-forum/viewTopic.jsp?t=57803
The thing that you have to realize (which is why it's better for you to learn to do it and experience it for yourself) is that projection is not 'push a button and you're out', and then go somewhere and see something.
There are many variables in projection- the ability to do it when you want to- I don't know any projector that can do this. Most of us who are experienced can do it a certain percentage of the time, and you can end up going to a 'real' physical location, but you can also end up in an astral plane that is entirely conceptual, or any other dream scenario.
Then there is the matter of 'going where you're supposed to'. It took me weeks to go see my grandmother when she was sick, and many tries where I would get lost in transit (mainly because I had to cross the ocean). The only reason that I know I went to see her actually was because of what my family members told me after the fact, validating that it wasn't just a 'fancy' dream born out of wish-fulfillment.
The best thing to do when wishing to know what the 'objective' reality of a subject such as AP, is to study it intensely, learn what people report about it, and what difficulties they have with it, and learn to do it for yourself. You may discover things that you hadn't read anywhere, but you also will know what can be expected of the experience.
Instead of proving that people can separate from their bodies and fly around the universe, perhaps you should start with a smaller goal, such as feeling energy for yourself. When you begin to feel and sense energy you begin to realize that you are energy and the possibility of random synapses mis-firing in your brain becomes less likely.
Welcome to the Astral Pulse David!
All I have to add is, that no matter what someone else does or tells you, even if this experiment works, it's still only going to be a faith-based belief until you prove it for yourself.
My personal goal is to get as many people to prove it to themselves without having to believe what others say. Even if it's not "real", the experience of it is and it's pretty darn amazing.
Quote from: Ten on February 04, 2010, 09:53:59
Why is this so? If you told me you could lift 1000 lbs with your little finger would you reasonably expect me to believe you without a demonstration? I wouldn't think so. People are claiming they can seperate from their bodies fly around their neighbourhoods (or the world, or even the moon in some cases). People are claiming they can stick their etheric heads through walls and see what their neighbours are doing etc. So show me. Come and stick your head through my bedroom wall. Tell me what colour wall paper I have. It certainly isn't unreasonable to ask for a demonstration.
Let's try another approach then. Tell me why this can not be done. Lets start there.
Because nobody who can AP (and there aren't many who can do it "at will", like you want) is ever going to provide enough proof to "convince" a skeptic.
As they've said, you really need to experience it yourself to believe it.
Thanks for all your comments guys.
@ Stookie. Thanks for the kind welcome buddy. But don't you see? If someone from across the other side of the world could tell me what colour wall paper I have on my bed-room wall then it wouldn't be faith based at all. That is pretty empirical. Each of us are entitled to our own beliefs/opinions. I respect that MASSIVELY. My opinion is that blind faith is dangerous and leads to ignorance. Without going into a history lecture i can think of dozens of examples. Following in the footsteps of the great T Huxley i'm agnostic and demand empirical evidence before I accept anything as fact.
If this evidence has to come from my own personal experience then so be it. I am completely serious about my investigations into this phenomena and will continue every day with my studies and practices. However there is no telling how long it is going to take me (if at all) to experience this as a direct result of my efforts.
The methods I outlined in my original post would (had someone accepted and succeeded at the challenge) would have been more than acceptable to me as proof. It would also have been much quicker then waiting for my own experience and would have served to greatly inspire me and propel me forward in my studies.
As it happens it would seem I am left to prove this or not to myself
@Kurt. Care to tell me what I can do to feel this energy? As I said before I am completely open and will honestly and enthusiastically try any methods/techniques suggested and report my experiences here.
Keep smiling
David
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@Xanth. You are simply wrong. I have told you what would qualify for me as proof. And given some of the claims I have read it doesn't seem at all complicated. Just tell me what colour wall paper I have. Just because i am scientifically minded does not mean I have a closed mind. I am open to any and all evidence. The important thing here is that anecdote and evidence are not the same thing.
Quote from: Ten on February 04, 2010, 13:35:23
@Xanth. You are simply wrong. I have told you what would qualify for me as proof. And given some of the claims I have read it doesn't seem at all complicated. Just tell me what colour wall paper I have. Just because i am scientifically minded does not mean I have a closed mind. I am open to any and all evidence. The important thing here is that anecdote and evidence are not the same thing.
I'll accept that I may be wrong in that assumption... but I've seen it time and time again, and what ends up happening is that the skeptic keeps changing what he'll accept as "Proof".
So meh...
As we've said, it's really something you have to prove to yourself, not the other way around. :)
Quote from: Ten on February 04, 2010, 13:27:56
@Kurt. Care to tell me what I can do to feel this energy? As I said before I am completely open and will honestly and enthusiastically try any methods/techniques suggested and report my experiences here.
I enjoy showing people that we are more than just our physical bodies. I have been helping people to 'feel' this energy that connects us all together. Sometimes I can over do it though...
It helps when someone can show you to feel the energy, then you know that it's there. If you would like me to give you a demonstration all I would need is what city / town you live in (and your name). Then I astral project to your location and raise my energy level near you. You'll feel a heavy tingling feeling on whichever primary energy center / body part I target.
@Xanth. I don't change the goalposts and i'm not even a skeptic. I believe that there is something to all this. I'm just trying to work out the specifics. I have after all have had SOME personal experience as I have said.
@Kurt. This is more like it thankyou very much indeed for such a kind offer. Go for it . I live in Kingston Upon Hull. England. UK (just called hull by the people who live here) its on the north east coast. When can I expect this to happen?
Quote from: Ten on February 04, 2010, 14:18:59
@Kurt. This is more like it thankyou very much indeed for such a kind offer. Go for it . I live in Kingston Upon Hull. England. UK (just called hull by the people who live here) its on the north east coast. When can I expect this to happen?
Whenever you want, I can travel at the speed of thought! :-D
Do you live near Queen's Garden or the Hull College? Any monuments or famous spots would help me out.
Quote from: Ten on February 04, 2010, 13:35:23
Just tell me what colour wall paper I have.
I wish I was more advanced in my projecting abilities, because I like this challenge. But I will keep it in mind.
And welcome to the forum, nice to meet you.
Timandra :-)
@Timandra. Thankyou for the warm welcome. Nice to meet you too.
@Kurt. I live just a 5 minute walk from pearson park. Quite a large park, can't eally miss it. I'm intrested tho, having never met me and not knowing what I look like or anything how will you know it is me? If time is not an issue for you then i suggest 10 o clock this evening. However i'm aware you have a life to live so if this is not a good time for you then just let me know when is convienient. Well excited. :-D
Quote from: Ten on February 04, 2010, 16:08:57
@Kurt. I live just a 5 minute walk from pearson park. Quite a large park, can't eally miss it. I'm intrested tho, having never met me and not knowing what I look like or anything how will you know it is me? If time is not an issue for you then i suggest 10 o clock this evening. However i'm aware you have a life to live so if this is not a good time for you then just let me know when is convienient. Well excited. :-D
On the 4th and 5th density levels (where you higher self resides) I am able to communicate with him / you. While out of body, I will go near pearson park in Kingston Upon Hull, England, UK and then call out your name several times. When he responds I will move in on your location and then begin to raise my energy, which in turn will raise your energy.
What time is it where you are right now?
21.36
Get ready, I'll be over in 15 minutes.
Never been to the UK before! :-D
Ok. first of all no specific tingling feeling. However did start to feel very very warm. Was kinda hoping for some kind of unignorable tingling sensation. My head, neck and belly did feel very very warm (and I was in quite a cold room) However what made me grin from ear to ear was the fact that my right arm went completely numb below the elbow. I mean completely numb. Like someone was sat on it. Very cool and very interesting. Thankyou so much kurt.
(just edited, had a little bit of a problem with my left and right haha. It was my right arm not my left. sorry)
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This astral projection stuff is pretty easy! :lol:
I guess the next step is to learn how to levitate and move objects with my mind! :-D
Would you be intrested in doing this again with me kurt? I have a feeling you're gonna be hearing quite a lot from me haha. Although i'm not trying to deny for a second what I felt this does to my mind warrant further investigation. For example it would have been more impressive had you not told me what to expect before hand. Telling me what I was going to feel before it happened may have influenced me(I can't rule out the possibility that my brain gave me the sensations, knowing what to expect). Do you understand what I mean? i'm sorry if i'm coming across as negative (i'm really not) I just hope you understand the importance of being thorough.
Also i'd be intrested to hear anything at all that you may have learned about me. Anything at all. An impression a feeling, a thought. I'd just like as detailed as possible an explanation of what the experience was like for you. If it's not too much trouble? :-D
On a plus note I am REALLY enthused by this and hope to be be able to meet you out on the astral one day to say thankyou in person (or spirit, or whatever haha). Now that would be cool.
I didn't really meditate long enough to get an 'impression' or feeling from you. It takes me about 15 minutes to project to a target but quite a bit longer (60 - 90 mins) to begin to 'feel' and 'see' everything that's around me when I arrive at the target.
I'm glad you enjoyed it, do you think there might be something to all this astral projection stuff after all? :-D
I'm pretty certain there is as a matter of fact. Let me tell you about my experiences to date.
1. 9 years old. Went to the dentist for a tooth pulling. Was anaesthetised with gas (think it was n2o but not certain) and I swear I floated right up to the ceiling til my nose was touching it then calmly floated back down to my body.
2. 20 years old. Working as a football coach in primary schools in Guyana South America. Took a holiday for a couple of weeks. Trekked through the jungle for 5 days to get to the top of Kaiteur Falls (google it. It is AWESOME) Drank too much rum fell over and banged my head hard on a wooden floor. Everything went black. I thought i'd killed myself, I remember thinking oh no i'm dead, oh no i'm dead. Then realised I still had my internal monologue. Started thinking well if this is dying it aint so bad. Got excited and started swooshing around where-ever I wanted. Left, right up down it was brilliant. Still had my sense of humour, my goals dreams and fears. Was still me. Just couldn't see a bloody thing. It was pitch black. Eventually woke back up in my body, had the best nights sleep i've ever had and felt like i'd been born again the next morning. This experience leads me neatly to number 3.
3. 21 years old. After what happened to me in South America started really looking into this with gusto. Was determined to do this deliberately and consciously. Laid on my back on my bed one day trying to AP. All of a sudden I couldn't move a muscle and every single cell in my body felt like it was vibrating violently. Also had a lound buzzing noise in my ears. I mean really, really intense. Scared me out of my mind and i stopped it.
The last 8 years i've been busy working and got caught up with the daily grind. Always kept thinking back to those 3 events tho and here I am now. Determined to beat my fears of the unknown and really go for this. Any help any of you can give me along the way would be MASSIVELY appreciated.
Keep smiling
David
xxx
If any of you have googled Kaiteur falls and are wondering where the wooden floor was, I assure you there is a wooden guest house up there :-D
Also here are the problems i'm having at the moment with trying to AP.
1. Every time I get comfortable I get an intense itch somewhere completey random that I just can't ignore.
2. On the rare occasions that i don't get itchy, i relax deeply but my eye-lids start to flutter un-controllably. So frustrating I could scream
Could stay up all night chatting about this but gonna hit the sack now and see waht the night brings. :wink: Night all. I'll be straight back on in the morning.
x
Quote from: kurtykurt42 on February 04, 2010, 16:58:36
Get ready, I'll be over in 15 minutes.
Never been to the UK before! :-D
:lol: :lol: I want to be able to do that!
QuoteAlso i'd be intrested to hear anything at all that you may have learned about me. Anything at all. An impression a feeling, a thought.
the colour of the wallpaper.... :-D
Exactly Timandra!!! The colour of the wallpaper is what I would most like to know. You'd think i'd have got off my bum and gone and had a look for myself by now eh? haha. :-D
So any of you luverly peeps got any opinions on my experiences forward slash difficulties? c'mon lets have em.
xx
Quote from: Ten on February 04, 2010, 19:51:30
1. Every time I get comfortable I get an intense itch somewhere completey random that I just can't ignore.
2. On the rare occasions that i don't get itchy, i relax deeply but my eye-lids start to flutter un-controllably. So frustrating I could scream
These are very normal sensations when starting out. As you enter into trance and sensory input slows down, it makes all the little things you normally ignore very irritating, especially itches and muscle twitches. The only way I know to overcome this is practice. As your body and mind get more used to the trance state it will become much more normal.
Hey all had a much more relaxed version of the vibes this weekend but still no OBE. Been busy trawling through the peer reviewed literature on the subject to see what the scientific community make of all this. Tried to attach a paper here but it's not letting me for some reason. Anyone thats intrested just pm me and i'll mail you what I have. One paper investigated over 11,000 poeple from UK, USA, and Canada.
@Kurt you fancy spending an hour thinking about me? :-D and also do you know anyone more accomplished than yourself at this AP malarkey?
xx
Quote from: Ten on February 04, 2010, 19:51:30
If any of you have googled Kaiteur falls and are wondering where the wooden floor was, I assure you there is a wooden guest house up there :-D
Also here are the problems i'm having at the moment with trying to AP.
1. Every time I get comfortable I get an intense itch somewhere completey random that I just can't ignore.
2. On the rare occasions that i don't get itchy, i relax deeply but my eye-lids start to flutter un-controllably. So frustrating I could scream
Could stay up all night chatting about this but gonna hit the sack now and see waht the night brings. :wink: Night all. I'll be straight back on in the morning.
x
I've got a slightly different view on itches.
If you've got an itch that you just can't ignore... scratch it. :)
Move slightly and slowly... keeping your mind where it is and solve the issue. Then go back to meditating.
When you're trying to go to sleep at night and you have an itch, what do you do? You scratch it.
Shouldn't be any different here. ;)
Quote from: Ten on February 09, 2010, 08:12:36
@Kurt you fancy spending an hour thinking about me? :-D and also do you know anyone more accomplished than yourself at this AP malarkey?
xx
Nope Ten, I'm the best! :lol:
Just kidding... Of course, there are many others that are better than me but you'll find that most of them are rather busy and don't have time to help (non-believers) try to understand how astral projection works.
Quote from: kurtykurt42 on February 09, 2010, 10:56:47
Just kidding... Of course, there are many others that are better than me but you'll find that most of them are rather busy and don't have time to help (non-believers) try to understand how astral projection works.
From the stuff you've been posting lately... no, there aren't.
I do wanna point out one thing though...
I don't think it's that we "don't have the time", it's more that this is really something you have to learn for yourself.
I know that kinda leaves the skeptics at an impasse... but meh, if they *REALLY* want to know then they'll put the time in to learn it.
Anyways, it's not our job to help them understand how Astral Projection works... it's our job to help teach them how to do it so they can understand it on their own terms at their own speed. :) ... I guess that's my two cents.
Not everyone that practices astral projection is a member of this forum. There are may others out there that are awesome at astral projection that only write books or practice in their spare time.
It's not our job to help skeptics but it can be fun! :-D
I think the people who really find the truths they're looking for are fairly modest about their claims, which is why you don't have a lot of people claiming to be experts or guaranteeing anything. They just want others seekers to find what they have.
I think we should advise non-believers or those who want to believe to give meditation and other practices a try. Personal experience can't be beaten.
However, it is really hard for some people. It gets to the point where they give up on trying to believe.
I, myself, haven't projected yet, but I totally agree with the ideas discussed in the forums and constantly try to project. That's specially because I have done some energy works and I have experienced it. Otherwise, I would probably have lost interest.
I think our job is to give some advice, firstly. In some cases, however, I find it's worth to give out some evidence to keep them going.
If we can convince a couple of skeptics that this is real and they can convince a couple more skeptics... Then we will have made a real difference.
Quote from: kurtykurt42 on February 09, 2010, 15:12:54
If we can convince a couple of skeptics that this is real and they can convince a couple more skeptics... Then we will have made a real difference.
Why?
I'm still not understanding why you feel the need to 'convince' anyone?
They either come here to to these forums (or other forums like this) to learn or ridicule.
We help one and ignore the other.
Yeah, I could care less about convincing anyone who doesn't want to believe it. Just like I don't want anyone to push their religion on me. I can accomplish more with the people who are already interested.
I agree.. trying to convince skeptics, or anyone other for that matter, for the sake of convincing is a waste of time. If they are interested enough, they'll find out for themselves.. otherwise they can ignore any evidence even if it is in plain sight for anyone to see, if they don't want to include this in their reality. And even when some skeptics "convert", the rest of the skeptics will see him as an outcast who isn't fit to convince anyone of anything anymore.. afterall he/she was weak enough to start believing in nonsense when the rest have spend so much time and energy undermining the same thing..
The same seems to apply in science.. if someone seems to gather some evidence which supports some activity which is seen now as "paranormal" he is ridiculed / ignored by scientific society, even if he has the approriate education and certifications etc. If the sosial group as a whole isn't ready to accept something, then a few individuals can't force them change their beliefs. In the end it's all about beliefs, because true objectivity is a fantasy and self-deceit.
Well atleast that is how I see things.. still that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy occasionally discussing these things with skeptical people, or maybe even showing a thing or two, which might or might not convince them.. that is if they aren't totally closed minded individuals. Mostly I just try to get them to question their deep rooted beliefs if possible.. That is benefitial for anyone imo.
Do you need proof from someone before you're willing to try it yourself? Or are you just super skeptical?
Not all explanations of Astral Travel say that people are actually leaving their bodies and flying around the physical. Some people don't believe that something like Robert Bruce's Real Time Zone exists. Some believe that anytime someone projects that even if they wind up in an environment that looks like physical world surroundings, it's still just an astral copy that was generated from the mind of the projector.
And in all truth, Astral Projection is about exploration and personal growth, not about validation. People who need validation are probably government spooks who want to use AT or remote viewing, or the like for military applications. Those who have experienced it know what the reason they still do it is because their lives have changed because of it.
Also.....I personally believe that objective proof of anything is impossible. If each of us has a unique perception and experience of existence that is entirely subjective then it doesn't make sense for objectivity to exist. It would be wasteful. "So how is it that we can measure and record data to generalize across large populations?!?" Blah Blah. Because the majority of powerful beings in this shared reality agree that consensus reality works that way.
Just try it for yourself. I hope you find the validation you need, if you really want it.
Hi David... I wonder if what you are proposing is possible. I mean, an expert astral projector might be able to project into your bedroom. But you will be in your physical body. I wonder if, with your undeveloped psychic senses, you will be able to see the astral body of the projector who has come to see you. I wonder if you will be able to able to hear his/her words. You might sense them in your subconscious. Or if you are asleep, you might remember it as an absurd fragment of a dream (which is not the proof you are looking for.) That's why, my friend, you have to find your truth yourself.
Wow. Really didn't expect to generate this much intrest!! :-D. Mixed feelings about some of the things you guys have said. First of all let me make myself PERFECTLY clear.
1. I am not a skeptic.
2. I don't have a closed mind.
3. I believe the government have a lot more resources at their disposal then I do to look into this. In fact i'm pretty damned sure they do. I'm a bloody biology student living off beans on toast for crying out loud. I also don't believe the government would have any need to trawl through internet forums.
4. I am open to any and all suggestions/teachings/advice. I will take any and all comments seriously. If you tell me to get naked smear jam all over myself and hop around my living room in an anti clockwise direction I will give it a go if for no other reason then to eliminate it as a possibility.
5. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the scientific method. Anybody who doubts this should do me the favour of investing as much time into researching it as I have with this.
6. I am not making any judgements at all about any of this and am trying diligently to AP
7. If someone makes a claim you should be able to test it. An example; Gravity is an attracting force. Bigger objects exert more of a pull than smaller ones. You can test this right now by picking up an object and letting go of it. I CLAIM IT WILL FALL TO THE FLOOR. you can do this a million times and every time the object will fall to the floor. This is because the Earth (A relatively MASSIVE object) exerts more of a pull than your (relatively small) object.
Just a few more comments (sorry guys :wink:)
@Xanth, really loved the comment about teaching people how to do it so they can learn about it for themselves. Good work bud. So teach me how to do it. I'm all ears :-D. Also really liked your help one ignore the other comment. I would like all the help you can give me please.
@Harrif where exactly is "this evidence" that is in plain sight for all to see? For I would dearly love to see it.
@personal reality. you made a bit of a hash of explaining objectivity i feel. However I think I got your message and appreciate your kind words. Thankyou
@Thirdeye. WHAT??? you had me in stitches. I do humbly apologize for my "undeveloped psychic senses".
However if you do me the honour of taking the time to read this thread properly then you will see that what I proposed demands absolutely NO psychic ability on my part whatsoever. I have never ever claimed to have any kind of psychic ability. But I feel that those that do have a responsibilty to back up those claims. You could for example just keep it to yourself if you wanted to avoid questions. Anybody who chooses to make public claims about this though has to expect at THE VERY LEAST some polite enquiry.
Haha thanks for tuning in guys. Keep smiling and have a fabulous day.
Peace xxx
I was referring to other things, some conspiracy theories etc, but I have no intention on cluttering this topic with things that would be off-topic(more than I already did). But anyway, I meant that convincing the closed-minded and/or skeptics is useless.. both of which you say you aren't, so my reply was more of a reply to Kurtys opinion where he seems to think that convincing skeptics as useful thing to do. Not that there would be anything wrong in doing so, I just think one could use the time much better.. like giving pointers to people who want to learn the stuff, not disprove it in advance.
I do hope that you can experience this for yourself, and I'm sure you can, if you are willing to put the hours in it. Who knows, maybe you are a natural and don't even need that much work before your first OBE. But even then, it will be a matter of belief what you make of the experience.. anything can be a "trick of the mind" afterall. But still, experiencing how much more real it is than a dream (or 'real' life ;) ) should atleast give something to think about when it happens to you.
Good luck!
@Harrif. Fairplay. Makes a little more sense. Thankyou ever so much for your words of encouragement. Also i've just finished reading several papers in peer reviewed journals about the nature and effects of DHT (not the illegal narcotic kind, the kind that naturally exists within certain cells in your brain) ever wondered how you 'see' in a dream when your eyes are closed? It is proposed that dreams are controlled hallucinations generated by the DHT in your brain. It is further proposed that all of 'wide awake reality' is nothing more than a carefully controlled hallucination generated by your brain. So you are absolutely bang on the money i'd say. Who indeed can say what is really real? I personally am undecided as of yet and believe that much more research is required. On a side note something just occured to me. All those of you who do genuinely have a problem with empirical research and the scientific method do me a favour. Log off and go throw your pooters in the bin. Because without either of those things you wouldn't be sat reading this now. haha. How do ya like them apples?
On another side note if you would like to start or direct me to another thread i'd be happy to discuss anything you like.
Really enjoying talking to all you guys. Theres some really cool people here. Thankyou all for making me feel so welcome.
Now back on topic is there anyone willing to take up my challenge? anyone at all? If not then so be it but at least give as much help as you can in experiencing this for myself and finding my own proof.
peace
xxx
Err.... what's a pooter?
Haha sorry, compooter. computer. was trying to be crazy and cool. :-D
Ah. Ok.
Some people I know call them com-poopers.
But that's another post.
QuoteThen I astral project to your location and raise my energy level near you. You'll feel a heavy tingling feeling on whichever primary energy center / body part I target.
Kurt, does doing this help the other person improve for AP? like, does it increase the other person's energy?
Not really, the individual just feels the energy that I am generating. I have done this with several people and they can't believe it. I made one guys arm fall asleep for over an hour! :lol:
sounds like fun! hahahaha that must be something very amusing to watch lol!
QuoteNot really, the individual just feels the energy that I am generating.
that's what I thought, I mean, one must be able to raise energy by oneself to succeed, otherwise there would be a lot of people being able to do it just by the help of others.