Strange experience hoping to get some help

[scarlitharlot]

I'm editing this to better introduce myself.

My name is Rae. I'm 25. I come from a family of mostly women who can AP or have some psychic ability. I'm not quite sure if I AP as my experience doesn't fit the norm. My sister (three years my senior) can AP, and her experience doesn't sound like mine either.

Long story short, I relax my mind and body, and within several minutes - depending on how tired I am, it can take longr - I can lift myself from my body and walk about. I have found I am most successful when I don't look behind me. Kind of like, I just get up from my body and don't look at myself. Usually freaks me out and causes panic that just sends me back to SP.

The difference between normal AP and what I do, is that I can pick a place and see there. Like if I think about my sister's apartment (she has a 4 month old) I can place myself in his room and watch what's happening around me. I don't have to physically find a means of getting to her apartment, I'm just there. I usually can't move much and I'm limited to places I feel extremely comfortable in. I have found that I can't leave his room to walk around her apartment, but I can walk freely amongst his small room.

I have been able to do this for years, but my experience last night is what brings me here.

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I had an experience last night that truly shook me. I am a long time believer in AP and things like OBE and so forth.

Last night, I had a dream that brought me somewhere real time with an ex-boyfriend of mine. I was experiencing something from someone's elses perspective even though I looked and appeared as myself. So this morning I called my ex and asked him "were you at such and such a place last night?" and he confirmed he was. He asked how I knew, but I couldn't explain how. So I asked him questions like "were you wearing this shirt with these shoes?" just to confirm what I had experienced. He said yes, but it was kind of like guessing what color someone's eyes are - not a big enough pool of choices to really get it wrong.

So I amped up the specificity to statements like: "you were carrying your dad's pocket watch in your left pocket." It was something unseen, but when "I" as this other person was sitting next to him, I could feel it against my leg. I told him that we went into this specific room and did specific things - all of which he confirmed - at which point he started getting freaked out asking how I knew, and was I there.

I tried my best to explain to him that I dreamt it, but I have no way of explaining why I was there.

So my point is, is it possible to have astral projected almost 100 miles but as someone else, I guess? (I went from CT to NY).

Any help, advice, or whatever would be greatly appreciated. I'm not looking for a complete explanation but any direction would be better than nothing. Thank you!

[Summerlander]

I've had experiences like this too.  In my opinion, rather than having travelled physically all those miles, I think the experience is always a mental one.  I often think that our minds may be quantum entangled, so, when we wish to visit someone and we start to get too many things right, we may be seeing what's on the minds of the visited.  Remember, what people do in the physical realm also projects in the metaphysical (albeit often with inaccuracies) because people often think about what they do whether consciously or unconsciously.

The Phase may open up telepathic links and any form of perspective is possible.  You could have also spoken to him and had a conversation with him but I posit that it would have been his unconscious self rather than his conscious one.

Either that or some amazing coincidences are taking place with these experiences and our subconscious creates realism that exceeds our expectations.  I hope this provides you with food for thought.

[NoY]

Welcome to the Pulse 


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[scarlitharlot]

Thank you Summerlander. A lot of that makes sense. It certainly puts my mind at ease at the very least.

I think what really kind of threw me was that the things that this "person" said were things that I hadn't really ever considered about him before. We had a brief relationship and it was a bit of a whirlwind - albeit a very positive one. We only stopped seeing each other because he moved to NY and I had no means of following him at the time.

I don't know if I was allowed into this experience as a means of me finding closure with him (at the very least, it inspired me to call him and make amends). Turns out he's doing great in his life, and had been thinking about me. He came to my town about a week ago and had asked a mutual friend about me and when he found out I was married, he decided not to contact me.

What really shook me about the experience was that I wasn't actually there. It makes me wonder if he was thinking about me during the conversation he was having with this other person. If the words were intended for me, both coming from him and her.

[teddybear]

@skarlitharlot

It's quite possible to see something that is going on physically in other places. It is also quite possible to be in that place in a way that people there can feel you being there if they're sensitive.

We all experience different things. We have different abilities. Don't worry if others can't explain in words what you do. Just enjoy the experience, learn by doing and find your own answers.

[Greytraveller]

Greetings scarlitharlot, it's a pleasure to meet you.
Most people do well Not to dwell on their physical body during an OBE. Staying near the physical body often causes confusion and distorted senses (it usually does for me, anyways).
The dream that you described could have been a shared dream with another person. Such dreams are rare if not deliberately induced yet they do occur from time to time.

Cheers 
Grey

[light487]

Sounds very interesting and I have to be honest that I am a little jealous of your natural ability to do this. Based on your description of the previous events, these sounds like a "Clairvoyant" ability rather than a projection of the astral form. You think of a place or thing and then you can immediately "remote view" the place but have limited movement. I'm not saying it isn't still amazing and wonderful because it truly is a gift to be cherished! Just trying to put a "label" (hehe) to what is happening so that you might be able to explore the subject of "clairvoyancey" as it relates to OBEs.

[CFTraveler]

When I read the OP I thought "mental projection", like clairvoyance, but with immersion.  So your mental body is very developed and it's what you mostly project with.

[Orion-]

What would be the difference between a mental body and the energy body? Are they the same, or are there many different kinds and forms of bodies? Is there any good book that speaks about this in depth?

[CFTraveler]

In Theosophy you have many bodies (or gradations of one body, depending on how you look at it) and they're defined by 'what' you do with it.  The Energy body is a generalization of some of the range- etheric and astral are described as 'energy', but the mental body may not be 'energetic', depending on the system you look at.

In projection you can go from:
Etheric (like the physical- aka RTZ (realtimezone)- This is when you have an OBE and float around your room, and see what's there, etc.
Astral (More dreamlike, you will see landscapes that are not necessarily physical, you can see the 'collective unconscious', and see 'dream elements' in the RTZ.
Mental- (Purely conceptual, can go from completely realistic (but really a lesson or a concept expressed) to a completely abstract environment often difficult to express- you may see colors that you've never seen, or other types of things like that.
From there it's the Buddhic, Atmic, Monadic , etc.  These are so rare that in theory not too many people go to them.

In theory each 'level/sphere/region, etc.' are divided by degrees of psychological distance- the etheric is psychologically similar to the physical (or an energetic expression of it) while the astral gets further and further away from physical reality and mental is the most separate from the physical, and the others are too far to describe, IMO.
You can have a mental projection to the RTZ for example, if your 'mental body' is sufficiently developed, and you develop these by just going where you can and learning from wherever you are, when lessons are presented.

You can find many writings on the internet about the various bodies, and Theosophy is the discipline that has more information on it.  If you're looking for a book I recommend Kurt Leland's books on it (I believe it's been discussed in the Media section) or his website.  I think his latest book, Multidimensional Human has good descriptions (and goes into great detail) on this- but for more general information a quick internet search will find you some very basic explanation (such as what I just gave you, lol.)

[CFTraveler]

ps.  You may have noticed that I described the bodies in terms of the 'places' you perceive with them- in ancient Hindu philosophy, there is no distinction with the body you use and the region itself, because your vehicle will get you as far as it's capable of.  Since we are talking about mostly nonphysical reality here (mostly, I believe the etheric to be physical, but that's another discussion) when we speak of 'planes' or 'places' we are really talking about conceptual space and not physical space-it's easier for some of us to describe our experiences from what we see, but it's also wise to look at how you think when you're having these experiences.

And now I'm done with my mini dissertation.   

[light487]

There are just so many "conceptions" of the planes that trying to find the one that makes the most sense, or for that matter "relevance", to another person is tricky. For example:

http://wisdom.lifestreamcenter.net/Planes3.gif

This one shows the same layers (or planes) of awareness (I don't use the word "existence" because all planes/layers exist at the same time and we are, in my belief, connected to all of them and therefore exist within them at all times) that CFTraveler has highlighted, however in their descriptions of those layers, they point to a Christianity based belief system. Maybe they have done this to make it easier to understand for someone with a belief structure like that.

Another way to look at it is from a Kabalistic point of view:

http://criticalkabbalist.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/four_worlds1.jpg

In the end there is only really one "truth" and these are mere guides and "translations"/"interpretations" of the layers of awareness into whatever spiritual "language" makes sense to the audience both in terms of the person(s) who experience it and those who they are relaying the information to.

For example, a very simplistic form of interpretation that doesn't really push its belief structure on the people receiving the relayed information, would be something like this:

http://lucidcrossroads.co.uk/imagesNEW/ASTRALPLANES.gif