Hey, my name is Sal. I've been interested in obe's in general for over 6 years now. I remember first hearing about obe's from my history instructor back in high school. Needless to say, I was amazed about the experiences he presented relating to how he took advantage of the state he was in order to heal patients and do things that were not possible in the physical such as flying and going through walls. Interestingly enough, 6 months after hearing about this, I had my first spontaneous obe, and I've been hooked ever since.
I tend to resonate more with explorers such as Robert Monroe, Frank Kepple, and Tom Campbell for their open-minded/skepticism approach. Hopefully, one day I'll be able to have the opportunity to see if it's possible to replicate some of their experiences and expand on them.
Anyways, I've felt that I'm in the verge of breaking through to my first intentional obe so I decided to join the Pulse in order to increase my enthusiasm and chat with other like-minded people. :-)
Hi there Sal!
Welcome to the Astral Pulse.
Hopefully you find what you're looking for. :)
Welcome to pulse!! :-D
Welcome to the Pulse 8-)
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Hi, Astral Anarchist! Welcome to Pulse! The explorers you named are/were on the right track in my opinion. Robert Monroe is the person I owe for being able to induce OOBEs today. Frank Kepple and his focus model or "wider reality" views ring true to me because a lot of what he describes matches my experience. I am yet to check out Tom Campbell but from what I've heard, he sounds great. :-)
Hi Sal, welcome to the Astral Pulse! :-)
Thank you all, I'm glad to be here! :-D
Quote from: Summerlander on February 26, 2011, 11:03:24
Hi, Astral Anarchist! Welcome to Pulse! The explorers you named are/were on the right track in my opinion. Robert Monroe is the person I owe for being able to induce OOBEs today. Frank Kepple and his focus model or "wider reality" views ring true to me because a lot of what he describes matches my experience. I am yet to check out Tom Campbell but from what I've heard, he sounds great. :-)
Thanks man! It's good to know that Frank's experiences coincide with yours! As for Tom Campbell, based on the video presentations that I've seen of him on youtube, unfortunately I haven't had the opportunity to read his book "My Big Toe", he pretty much says the same things as the other two explorers but using his own physics-oriented terminologies which kind of get cumbersome at the beginning but you kind of get used to them. :-)
I love science anyway. I also like quantum physics in layman's terms (hehe). I've always thought of metaphysical projections as quantum leaps/jumps in that, like the electron, we apparently go AWOL from this reality frequency into that of another... :wink:
Many people kept banging on about My Big Toe. To be honest I can't wait to read it! My mouth is watering... :-P
welcome to the pulse! :evil:
Quotewelcome to the pulse!
Thank you! :-D
Quote from: Summerlander on February 26, 2011, 17:18:10
I love science anyway. I also like quantum physics in layman's terms (hehe). I've always thought of metaphysical projections as quantum leaps/jumps in that, like the electron, we apparently go AWOL from this reality frequency into that of another... :wink:
Many people kept banging on about My Big Toe. To be honest I can't wait to read it! My mouth is watering... :-P
Hell yeah! Science without dogma or bias is a beautiful thing. 8-) Interestingly enough, your description of how you perceive projections has parallels with the theory that we live in a fractal reality (everything that exists is contained within every single particle) in that we shift our point of awareness inward or outward (as above so below) into the next fractal (dimension).
I'm probably exaggerating about Tom's terminology being hard to take in. Once you understand what he means by achieving lower entropy,(less mental clutter/more love) and his energy systems etc., you'll find everything from that point on to be straight forward. :-)
Yes, I very much believe it is about shifting our awareness. By the way, you are not exaggerating at all. I kinda see what you mean. I still have to check out Tom's videos though!
It is also interesting that in the metaphysical (be it dreams or projections), observation seems to play a major role in manifesting the environment. For example, in the dream world, if you look at something, look away and then back, you might find that something has changed.
In waking life, things don't happen that way in our physical world (apparently). But on a quantum level, however, observation seems to play a role in manifesting outcomes (as seen in the double-slit experiment) which is not so different from what happens in dreams! Only in the dreamworld, it seemingly happens on a macroscopic level...
Perhaps the metaphysical is made of the same energy as the physical...the difference being that it is more 'malleable'.
Quote from: Summerlander on February 27, 2011, 15:33:21
Yes, I very much believe it is about shifting our awareness. By the way, you are not exaggerating at all. I kinda see what you mean. I still have to check out Tom's videos though!
It is also interesting that in the metaphysical (be it dreams or projections), observation seems to play a major role in manifesting the environment. For example, in the dream world, if you look at something, look away and then back, you might find that something has changed.
In waking life, things don't happen that way in our physical world (apparently). But on a quantum level, however, observation seems to play a role in manifesting outcomes (as seen in the double-slit experiment) which is not so different from what happens in dreams! Only in the dreamworld, it seemingly happens on a macroscopic level...
Perhaps the metaphysical is made of the same energy as the physical...the difference being that it is more 'malleable'.
Ah yes, the measurement problem and the famous riddle, "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" I find all this quantum physics stuff to be very exciting, and correlates so well with astral projection. I can't wait to be able to have astral projections on a regular basis to probe deeper into these mysteries. :-o
I totally agree with what you're saying about the metaphysical being more of a malleable environment compared to the physical. It would be nice though if it was possible to find a way to alter the laws of physics that govern this realty to our own will similar to that of the metaphysical. Oh well, I can dream can I? :-D
I really need to start getting better in this projecting stuff!!!
Quote from: Summerlander on February 27, 2011, 15:33:21
In waking life, things don't happen that way in our physical world (apparently).
Apparently, you have been living in an eggshell. There are too many similarities between the two, to simply dismiss the case and focus on daydreaming. Are you so reviled by a little time and hard work that the two realities are somehow developed into a hell/heaven construct?
Quote from: Astral Anarchist on February 27, 2011, 20:37:19
I totally agree with what you're saying about the metaphysical being more of a malleable environment compared to the physical. It would be nice though if it was possible to find a way to alter the laws of physics that govern this reality to our own will similar to that of the metaphysical.
How narcissistic of you.
Quote from: Monk on February 27, 2011, 20:56:00
How narcissistic of you.
Let's try to discuss things without resorting to name calling please.
How is that name calling? Pointing out an egotistical and possibly "dangerous" thought without wording or intending such to the individual themselves is now an offence?
QuoteHow narcissistic of you.
Don't let the mirror hit you on your way out.
Quote from: Monk on February 27, 2011, 22:23:18
How is that name calling? Pointing out an egotistical and possibly "dangerous" thought without wording or intending such to the individual themselves is now an offence?
Let me make a couple of things clear from the beginning:
1. You've got the nerve to call me a narcissist? pffft Allow me to make this clear," I don't give a **** what a whiner like you or anybody else thinks pertaining to what choices I decide to make in life. That's all I will say regarding this matter.
2. Based on your comment history it's become painfully obvious that you have, at best, marginal (I'm being generous here) experience in the metaphysical. You have nothing but clichéd regurgitated text that you've collected from a conglomerate of books that you spout to compensate for your lack of knowledge—NO EXPERIENCE = NO KNOWLEDGE. Please get back on your high-pony and entertain me with your theory-based rebuttal.
I never called you a narcissist in the first place. I called that idea narcissistic:
Quote from: Astral Anarchist on February 27, 2011, 20:37:19
It would be nice though if it was possible to find a way to alter the laws of physics that govern this realty to our own will similar to that of the metaphysical. =
Always with the never ending grab for control?
As for the regurgitation of text, please tell me the books that I've "spout" from. I'm curious.
I "spout" out "theories" because in my opinion, that is the best way to present information to others due to their differentiated belief systems and mental definitions, to present a possibility with no guarantee whatsoever.
But the same could go for you as well. Experience is subjective, knowledge is objective(at least in my understanding). No one can know anything just because of the nature of this reality(but I know you're going to denounce that as regurgitation from some obscure source that I never heard of).
If you would like to engage in an in-depth discussion of the above mentioned with me over PM, go right ahead, but degenerating a public thread is pointless.
C'mon guys, let's just agree to drop it.
Let's discuss thoughts/ideas, not each other. Thanks
Xanth
your no fun :wink:
good luck
love all
When did wanting to control or even fantasising about stuff become a crime, Monk?
QuoteC'mon guys, let's just agree to drop it.
Let's discuss thoughts/ideas, not each other. Thanks
I came to this board with the intended purpose of simply sharing opinions and ideas in a friendly, respectable manner. The thing is, when someone gets on their high-horse and decides to slander someone in an effort to appear superior—goodwill will be in short supply. I'll be glad to drop it but do you honestly think that an egomaniacal peacock like this is going to back-off?
Quote from: Monk on February 28, 2011, 01:45:40
Always with the never ending grab for control?
Some would suggest (theory) that we are each our own universe, so to speak. Assuming that there's any veracity to this theory if I decided to change something (laws of physics) to enhance my life that would make me a narcissist? So I should feel a sense of guilt for wanting to take control of my life (sounds like religious dogmatic guilt BS "opinion") Pffft :roll:
QuoteI "spout" out "theories" because in my opinion, that is the best way to present information to others due to their differentiated belief systems and mental definitions, to present a possibility with no guarantee whatsoever.
Lets see some of your "theories".
Quote1: Those people don't need any type of healing at all. If you attempt to heal them even without their permission, you are just inviting trouble. They didn't leap onto you with the intention of needing help, so leave them be.
2:You are receiving so many feelings from individuals because you are overtly too open and are divulging into matters that you don't understand. You're having what I like to call "etheric buzz". Just too many emotions/energy flying about the place. You need to ground yourself and/or close your energy system off to the world.
If you use your intuition you can do these on your own without any more help. Plus it's a learning experience.
QuoteYou could have dealt with this with your own mind initially, but you chose not to. Plus anything dealing with anything paranormal all has it's points of origination with "it's all starts in your mind". It's the basis for everything. But things do indeed get complicated fast.
Although what you must realize...... IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ASTRAL PROJECTION...
You messed around with the etheric realm - which to some is an extension to the physical realm - and now you have to deal with the karma you've created.
Funny thing you say that we are all human. Being human has nothing to do with biological speciation. Being human is being what you think you are. The key is there, it's just that you are too inexperienced to deal with it...
QuoteNow you've entered the big leagues. Most individuals practicing in the occult would not even be able to deal with this on their own. These beings have sucked enough etheric energy from yourself and/or the others around you to pose a legitimate risk to one's life. It's too late to do the "stop believing routine", too late to ask for help from friendly entities, too late to even ask help from local occultists.
Get out of your house and go to your local library or any other place that has internet access. Research online forums and whatnot for Lifelong occultists who have much experience with demonic entities and ask for assistance. If there is a large number of known occultists whom you trust within your locale, ask for their assistance as well. Asking even a local Catholic priest wouldnt do harm. (Also if you know of anyone who can do long-distance "psychic" work, ask them to investigate if the area has a "portal" of sorts still present)
This affair has gone beyond the "safe zone" of being able to handle it on your own. it must be dealt with en masse, or you will be risking your health.
QuoteBecause it has nothing to do with how your brain functions...
So these are what you call theories? It sounds as if you're presenting them as facts to me. First of all, I don't agree or disagree with none of you "theories"—but when you present them as facts you take it to a totally different level. These "theories" have the obvious potential to harm more than help--please don't ask to explain why.
QuoteBut the same could go for you as well. Experience is subjective, knowledge is objective(at least in my understanding). No one can know anything just because of the nature of this reality
If you goal is to acquire "knowledge", then (in my opinion) you don't have any other choice but to perform experiments in the metaphysical(or wait until you die). You're going to have to use your own critical-thinking skill for that. Claiming that everything you experience (again, in my opinion) is subjective and therefore cannot be understood by performing experiments is a cop-out.
Now we could agree to drop it here, or we could continue arguing nonsense if you wish.
So this is where the heated exchanges are taking place... the Welcome section, eh? No kidding.
Quote from: Astral Anarchist on February 28, 2011, 15:20:22Now we could agree to drop it here, or we could continue arguing nonsense if you wish.
My money's on the latter.
*grabs the popcorn*
Guys, I asked nicely...
Generally, it's best to just leave things be when it gets heated such as this. Take a step back, grab a breather... try to look beyond the words.
I've been there myself too, and I know how hard it can be to just "walk away"...
Please guys, next time, let's try to discuss ideas and not people. :)