Hello I'm new to this forum.

[astrowytch]

Hello I'm new to this forum. I have come here for some guidance and to share experiences with fellow travellers. Maybe make some friends?  I'm having some problems with leaving my body behind even though I am dying to travel. I have been seriously practising this for months now but with a large break in between because I nearly left my body and it really scared me. The sensations I experienced were new to me and very scary! Thus i stopped meditating for ages for fear it would happen again. Stupid eh?! I have now started again because I had a dream where I was taken by an indian man who had been trying to contact me for ages he said, but I kept brushing him off. He told me he was there to help me astral travel, which he then did. I realised during the atral travel practising with him that the energy where we were had changed and was fully aware within the dream that it was coming to an end which it did. I woke up. I also saw someone called "moonface", who did actually have a moonface. I already knew him in the dream! Because of this dream it has spurred me on again and I have been meditating again. What scares me is the sensations I experience. First I start to vibrate which is ok I can handle that, then I realise that my body is going to sleep because my face starts to feel as if it were made of stone and very taught. Then i experience a very deep sinking feeling that seems to go on for ages. I think that is my body totally falling asleep. Then I begin to here wooshing in my ears? head? where? and I seem to move forward very quickly in the dark? void?  This is as far as I have gotten so far as it always scares me and I open my eyes. There have been other sensations like my body swaying from side to side like a snake. The feeling that my body is no longer lying flat but contorted and twisted and in different positions. What i would like to know is what happens after the sensations of whooshing in yer head and the travelling forward very fastly? Can i just launch out of my bod cos that's what it feels like is going to happen so I open my eyes. Please help me.

[Timandra]

Hello astrowytch, nice to meet you here on the forum. I look forward to hearing some of your experiences with obe's. I am quite new to the forum also and I never had a conscious obe so alas I can't answer your question. But I know there are a lot of members who are more experienced and may want to help you with it. Also you can find a lot of information in the posts everywhere, they are very interesting and informative. 

[astrowytch]

hello Timandra thanks for your welcome. Nice to make contact with someone! Are you trying to obe then? I have done it once by accident years ago and it scared me very much as I didn't know what was happening. Years later i began to meditate as I felt it was the next step in my spiritual growth as have read a million books and felt could learn no more from them and had to turn inwards instead. Through the med. I realised that i was having sensations that I didnt expect, explored them and realised that i was nearly projecting. again it scared me and put me off meditating. i'm back to it now and trying to obe. Look forward to hearing from you again. Where are you from, I'm from england. Am mother to two grown up kids and have 2 year old granddaughter. I was working as a teacher but am working with plants now on a farm. I love it....they don't argue, just grow!!!

[ancient_one]

Hello astrowytch

Everything you mention is completely normal, even the fear.  You can read about this experience, and determine you want to do it, but when it comes down to actually doing it, you are always faced with the fear of the unknown. It is how you deal with the fear that determines your success.  When you think of it, fear is the most reasonable thing to expect.  That part of your mind that is in control of your physical life does not want to give up that control.  One way it tries to ensure that loss of control never happens, is to make sure that you fear doing this thing more than your desire to do it. That way, it wins, and it maintains its control. It is one of the more difficult hurdles to becoming able to project. 
How do you overcome the fear?  For each one that will no doubt be different.  I overcame my fear by direct confrontation.  I got tired of the almost continuous spontaneous bouts of SP along with the whooshing noises (and worse) and all sorts of bad sensations that literally made me fear I was losing my mind. You see, I did not ask for this ability.  It just started happening to me as a small child.  So, once I felt an "Ah Hah!" moment during the SP episodes, and I sat up in bed to confront the thing causing all this torment.  And guess what?  It came, and it was happy that I was aware of it enough to be sitting there waiting for it.  "It" took me away, and explained quite a lot to me. Before you ask- No, I do not remember much of that. The entity told me I was not to remember until a certain time in the future- which has not happened yet, sorry to say.  But the thing is, once I had this experience, the bad part of the SP stopped happening, and the vibrations became easier to deal with.
More details of this and other experiences in my life are in my blog.  This one has the heading "Confrontation". 
Good Luck!!   

[astrowytch]

Hello ancient one and thanks for your reply. It really helps to know that somenone else has experienced the same. All I can do is keep trying then! I had a spontaneous one years ago during a crystal healing session and found myself some where else, briefly. I was standing in front of a row of beings with huge round eyes. They seemed really cold and devoid of any emotions and I felt that if I didnt get out of there I would never get away. I also felt that they were questioning me. probably because I just appeared in front of them! Maybe the coldness I felt was cold fear because I had just flipped out of my body to another place. I dont know. But when I came back i had electrical impulses soaring through my body and it took ages to feel right again. I also could see their eyes in my mind for ages.My thoughts on that place at the time were that it was more real than here! The colours of the place were vivid and more clear cut. hard to explain but it made me realise that this isnt the only place, plane whatever. during my 20's I used to wake up often in SP and would see/hear all sorts of strange things in my bedroom. I now know that I was probably having obe's but of course did not know what these were then. The experiences I have had led me to research it all and now I would like to conciously control it. Will keep you all posted during my attempts!

[ancient_one]

astrowytch- That is another thing for me anyway and a few I have known over the years- This experience is so hard to take sometimes because it does seem more real than this physical world. That makes the fear even harder to deal with. The threat you feel feels like a real threat. You still have to face your own fear, but I can say that is all my experiences, however real they feel and how threatened I felt, nothing bad ever happened in real life. It was all left out there, wherever that is. . .

[Timandra]

I'm from the Netherlands astrowytch. Yes I do try to get an obe, but not as actively like others. I like to work with intention and intuïtion more and don't know all the techniques other members are using. I am getting experiences bit by bit and when I am ready for it I think it will happen. I was once close to leaving my body, and when that starts to happen more often then I will order a book by a Dutch author, in which 24 methods of AP are explained. This woman has written 3 books about obe's and I have read them all. The book with the AP methods is very clear and easy to read. I apparantly have had some projections but I didn't know they were. It is called 'phasing' and this morning I had one again, althoug it was quite short. I may start a topic on some of these experiences. 

[CFTraveler]

Hello I'm new to this forum. I have come here for some guidance and to share experiences with fellow travellers. Maybe make some friends?  I'm having some problems with leaving my body behind even though I am dying to travel. I have been seriously practising this for months now but with a large break in between because I nearly left my body and it really scared me. The sensations I experienced were new to me and very scary! Thus i stopped meditating for ages for fear it would happen again. Stupid eh?! I have now started again because I had a dream where I was taken by an indian man who had been trying to contact me for ages he said, but I kept brushing him off. He told me he was there to help me astral travel, which he then did. I realised during the atral travel practising with him that the energy where we were had changed and was fully aware within the dream that it was coming to an end which it did. I woke up. I also saw someone called "moonface", who did actually have a moonface. I already knew him in the dream! Because of this dream it has spurred me on again and I have been meditating again. What scares me is the sensations I experience. First I start to vibrate which is ok I can handle that, then I realise that my body is going to sleep because my face starts to feel as if it were made of stone and very taught. Then i experience a very deep sinking feeling that seems to go on for ages. I think that is my body totally falling asleep. Then I begin to here wooshing in my ears? head? where? and I seem to move forward very quickly in the dark? void?  This is as far as I have gotten so far as it always scares me and I open my eyes. There have been other sensations like my body swaying from side to side like a snake. The feeling that my body is no longer lying flat but contorted and twisted and in different positions. What i would like to know is what happens after the sensations of whooshing in yer head and the travelling forward very fastly? Can i just launch out of my bod cos that's what it feels like is going to happen so I open my eyes. Please help me.

Hi Astrowytch.
All the sensations you are having are exit symptoms, and typical for a 'first' conscious projection, as opposed to spontaneous projections.
The theory behind this phenomenon is that your conscious mind is changing frequency or phase as it transitions from in-body to out of body.  These vibes can change and eventually you may stop being aware of them as you master the exit processes- but for now you can use them to know when it's time to try to loosen up and exit.
It is my opinion that the 'side to side' swaying is what I call 'end stage' vibrations- that is, you have almost completely shifted out of body and are more attuned to the out-of body state than to the 'in-body' (which is connected with the more bee-like buzz) and are effectively out, now the thing is to get away from your body.
There are many techniques to get to the stage you're getting in (trance) and there are techniques to loosen your energy body and exit when you're having these sensations.
I'll describe some of these and tell you what works for me when (as opposed to telling you 'when this or that is best', since we're all different)
First, when you're having sensations, I like to do some energy body loosening before the exit attempt.  This is more important later on when you start getting symptoms before you're ready (which will happen)
One e.b. loosening method that is easy is 'balloon' breathing- As you inhale feel yourself inflate like a balloon and fill up your room.  Deflate on the exhale.  Do this a few times.
Another one that I like is using the 'roll side-to side' method- similar to the exit tech, but instead of rolling out, just go side to side.  This can actually launch you out, but only if you're ready.
I usually do some of these before trying an exit technique, unless they actually get me out.
There's lots of posts about exit techs, so I'll just mention them: Rollout, rope (I only do this one if I'm either having 'buzzing' vibes or if I'm in the hypnagogic state) and waterski or surfing (I like 'surfing' (just like bodysurfing, and this is my favorite method if I'm having side-to side swaying).
There's tons of others but I hope this helps you some.

[astrowytch]

Hello CF Traveller and thankyou for your advice. I like the sound of the balloon method and am going to try tonight. Ive tried the roll out method and I ve tried raising the hands of astral body and the feet. I have tried loosening myself by wriggling side to side as well. I can kind of feel it as well. if I try to do this in waking consciousness as I 'm sitting now I can feel nothing. A few nights ago I did really well and felt as if I was floating just above my body. Actually I know I was. This exit business is really tricky isn't it. LOL. Ive tried saying "clarity please" in my head in the hope that my astral eyes will open but nothing. I sometimes can see with my eyes closed when I've been laying in bed nearly asleep I guess and that is weird the first time. I was shocked. I am so dying to experience standing outside of myself. I will keep trying and use the balloon method later. Will let you know what occurs. Wish me luck! xx

[CFTraveler]

Clarity now has never worked for me- instead try to feel for the walls of the room you're in, and as soon as you can feel it (or the ceiling) throw yourself forward towards any way out of the room.  You will find that as soon as you are away from your body you will get vision.

[ampzeit]

Hi astrowytch!

[Warper]

Hello, Astrowytch!

Just reading through all these posts, I can see that I've been having spontaenous projections.  About three or four nights ago, (time is lost to me, that part of my brain is either missing or disfunctional). I'll say four nights ago, with confidence, I was all over the place, my vision was being blurred, there were moments of intense color, then what I call 'digital darkness'.  I tried to go directly to the Reazan Temple, but instead, wound up frozen in mid air with my vision fixated on a crest of the sun.

I will be your friend.  You can PM me anytime, and maybe, we can try a psychic experiment.  And it's good to hear that you are on a farm working with plants.  I want to grow things, but I don't have the equipment to properly cultivate my land.  If I got out there with a shovel and spent this summer digging it up, I could do it, but I'm more into chain smoking and wratching the net.

What kind of meditations do you do?  The other night, uh, last night, I was on Paltalk, and in this room, I forget the name, but anyway, they were playing hemisync, hypnotic sorts of stuff, so I went along with it.  I wish it had lasted longer, because it was having an effect.

Do you meditate in silence?  Hey, it's all very exciting, and the fear thing, well, I've said for years now that Fear is the first Tyrant God that you will face.  Fear, and Lust.  Right now, my astral is loaded with fear and lust, but, gradually, I'm getting braver, one day, I'll leave this whole existence behind, and truly transcend to... the land of my own love.  Ah yeah, but then that's another tyrant, Vain, or Vanity.  These can be real entities, I don't know for sure, but it's part of a religious path, something that's been modified as part of religious training.  I'll have to teach 'my' boys about it before they move, if they move.

Welcome, send me a note if you'd like.  The experiment is that we arrange a time for each of us to concentrate on the same symbol, it's an ancient way of communication, I think.  The one time I tried it with this girl that I don't really know or talk too anymore, I focused on the symbol, we used the Moon, and suddenly, there was a wave of excitement and dread that rushed up inside of me.  Sigils may be a way to link minds, does anyone think this could be dangerous?  Then again, brain grafting could be a way to do it too, but I think all of us here are seeking the truth, we want love and life and ultimate freedom in the Omniverse.

Is the astral... the Omniverse?  Or is it the multiverse, and then, omniverse beyond that?  We are all growing, so let's grow together, and stay in touch.

Muah!