hi

[personalreality]

i meant the women need to be more feminine

[solarity]

i meant the women need to be more feminine

you'd have to define feminine for me to be able to understand how they're not feminine anymore

[personalreality]

well, we're living in a masculine dominated age.  one of competition and greed.  a need to be on top.  only the strong survive kind of thing.  whereas a more feminine age would be one of through cooperation we can all survive.  more nurturing rather than dominating.

even women want to be men these days.  they want to be "seen as equals", make the same money and blah blah blah.  they too want to be on top, they want to be in control as well.  while feminism may seem like "equality" its not.  women just want what men want, which is to win.  don't let their equality language confuse you because that's not what it's about.  they don't want men and women to be equal, they want men to see them as equal competitors, capable of competing for resources.  they want to be the alpha fe/male.

[CFTraveler]

Maybe you should redefine what you said "women want to be like men"- The problem that some (not all of the qualities) that are described as feminine, aren't- women are not passive, they are taught to be passive- it's not that they want to be like men, they want to have the same rights as men.
IMO, what some men consider feminine isn't- extreme passivity and manipulativeness is a learned behavior.  If you look at a little girl that hasn't yet been socialized to be a certain way, she is as aggressive as any little boy, and wants the same things as little boys want.
When at puberty the estrogen kicks in, they become less aggressive  and more  emotional- however, this has nothing to do with 'wanting the same rights' and all the other stuff- I don't know many women that want to 'be like men'- however, they want to be treated with the same respect than men.  And that has nothing to do with femininity.

[personalreality]

You're expressing exactly what i think is BS.  And i didn't say anything about passivity.

It's hard not to do it, but I really don't equate masculine and feminine with men and women.  I equate it with energies, archetypes, natural forces.  Gender can embody either.  I'm just saying that this "age" is dominated by what traditionally is considered masculine or yang energy.  And my rant was trying to separate women from the term feminine and point out that presently women are much more aligned with masculinity.  And my point is that both men and women need more of the feminine energy to balance us out.  But this is an old issue.  For example, according to the Maya, the 5th age that we're entering now is one of neutral energy, where the first was yin, the second was yang, the 3rd was yin and this, the fourth is yang.  This coming age is to be not a unification of the two, but rather an absence of either.  Don't ask me how to explain that one, it's a concept I feel but can't logically explain. 

[solarity]

you'd think logically the next one would be yin

[personalreality]

but then that wouldn't mean the end of the world as we know it!!!!

i mean, come on, 2012 has to be fun for something.

lol

by the way, this is what a mayan shaman told me.  don't blame me.

[CFTraveler]

You're expressing exactly what i think is BS.  And i didn't say anything about passivity.

You didn't, but society in general does, which is why object to the way you expressed it.

It's hard not to do it, but I really don't equate masculine and feminine with men and women.  I equate it with energies, archetypes, natural forces.  Gender can embody either.  I'm just saying that this "age" is dominated by what traditionally is considered masculine or yang energy.

Ok, I'm with you.  But the way you said it up there sounded like women should embody Yin and men should stick to the Yangness, and that's where I objected.

And my rant was trying to separate women from the term feminine and point out that presently women are much more aligned with masculinity.

Ok, I accept that.  Or that they are becoming aligned with what masculinity has been identified with.

And my point is that both men and women need more of the feminine energy to balance us out.

Ok, I see where you're coming from.

But this is an old issue.  For example, according to the Maya, the 5th age that we're entering now is one of neutral energy, where the first was yin, the second was yang, the 3rd was yin and this, the fourth is yang.  This coming age is to be not a unification of the two, but rather an absence of either.  Don't ask me how to explain that one, it's a concept I feel but can't logically explain.

It actually makes sense to me.
And yes, I know you don't care, and that's ok too.

[Gbob]

Hi Yin, remember that we are twins!

[solarity]

what if I want a divorce?