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quote:The Bible is NOT meant to be understood by one who is NOT an initiate- period. It is NOT meant to be read like a regular book, by design. In addition, we can not ask trivial questions and assume understanding through strong sentiments and dim feelings. One MUST pursue Spiritual development to earn the keys to unlock the door of understanding- there is no other way.

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[Nerezza]

Oh to be a gnostic again[:I]

[DjM]

quote:Originally posted by Nerezza

Oh to be a gnostic again[:I]

The application of labels limit one's understanding.  In addition, they limit the one to whom the label is "stuck on" to one's definition thereof...not wise. [B)]  Although, I have yet to meet a 22-year old who is wise...

[Nerezza]

Forgive me but is not the Rosicrucian brotherhood a gnostic sect of Christianity? As such it is no more a "label" than the word "protestant" or "orthodox".

If you take it as an insult, Im afraid I take it as the literal meaning.

I do apologize however, for in the way I used it, it was a snide remark. I do not trust the gnostic orders, much like you do not trust the Catholic Church.

As for the age comment, I would feel offended except that there are many people younger than me on this forum who I would claim far wiser than either you or I, and I relish in it.

[DjM]

quote:Originally posted by Nerezza

Forgive me but is not the Rosicrucian brotherhood a gnostic sect of Christianity? As such it is no more a "label" than the word "protestant" or "orthodox".
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Where did I mention Rosicrucian in my post?  I did not.  It's a curiosity that you label me and my post(s) by your understanding of what Rosicrucianism is.  In fact, this is a perfect example of how/why NOT to use labels.  More precisely, you put a "Rosicrucian" label on me which limits your understanding to how you define a Rosicrucian, without knowing anything about the Order.  FYI: it's not just a brotherhood, there are women involved, too; you're sentiments are incomplete and incorrect.

I belong to quite a few organizations that I choose NOT to mention...I wouldn't want your labeling system to limit you or me.  Ergo, the limitations that you place on yourself and others is invalid.

Lazy people use labels so that they can avoid thinking and the risks of change.  However, this is a world of constant change.

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If you take it as an insult, Im afraid I take it as the literal meaning.

I do apologize however, for in the way I used it, it was a snide remark. I do not trust the gnostic orders, much like you do not trust the Catholic Church.
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I completely understand your mistrust, etc...  However, I also understand how closed mindedness toward every/any organization can limit one's understanding to mere sentiments.

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As for the age comment, I would feel offended except that there are many people younger than me on this forum who I would claim far wiser than either you or I, and I relish in it.

This statement is devoid of logic and understanding.  FYI: no one is allowed to be a Master before the age of 40- period.  There are specific reasons for this which you obviously do not understand.

The fact that you relish ignorance is indicative of your level of understanding and development.  Personally, I don't trade opinions for mere sentiments.  All the best.

[beavis]

"333 BC
333 AD
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666"

There is no year 0! The time interval is 665 years.

[Hephaestus]

A credit card called VISA is what the 666 refers to.

VI is 6 in Roman Numerals
S was six in Ancient Egypt
A was 6 in Sanskrit

[DjM]

quote:Originally posted by beavis

"333 BC
333 AD
---
666"

There is no year 0! The time interval is 665 years.

Your misinterpretation depicts why it is necessary to acquire real learning by degrees and not by links.

[DjM]

quote:Originally posted by Hephaestus

A credit card called VISA is what the 666 refers to.

VI is 6 in Roman Numerals
S was six in Ancient Egypt
A was 6 in Sanskrit

One can lead a horse to water, but one cannot make 'em drink.  AND, one can send a kid an esoteric link, but one cannot make' em THINK!

[Hephaestus]

quote:Originally posted by DjM

quote:Originally posted by Hephaestus

A credit card called VISA is what the 666 refers to.

VI is 6 in Roman Numerals
S was six in Ancient Egypt
A was 6 in Sanskrit

One can lead a horse to water, but one cannot make 'em drink.  AND, one can send a kid an esoteric link, but one cannot make' em THINK!

What in Gods name are you talking about? This is a topic on the 666 rubbish from the Bible - therefore I have given one of the ideas thats going around of what it could mean (mainly what I reckon is one of the more possible meanings), if you dont like it then dont read it.
I'd like to know why you find it so difficult to understand there is nothing wrong with surfing the world wide web and 'reading' other peoples thoughts, and ideas and relaying those ideas yourself elsewhere.
Its called communication.

[DjM]

quote:Originally posted by Hephaestus

quote:Originally posted by DjM

quote:Originally posted by Hephaestus

A credit card called VISA is what the 666 refers to.

VI is 6 in Roman Numerals
S was six in Ancient Egypt
A was 6 in Sanskrit

One can lead a horse to water, but one cannot make 'em drink.  AND, one can send a kid an esoteric link, but one cannot make' em THINK!

What in Gods name are you talking about? This is a topic on the 666 rubbish from the Bible - therefore I have given one of the ideas thats going around of what it could mean (mainly what I reckon is one of the more possible meanings), if you dont like it then dont read it.
I'd like to know why you find it so difficult to understand there is nothing wrong with surfing the world wide web and 'reading' other peoples thoughts, and ideas and relaying those ideas yourself elsewhere.
Its called communication.

My apologies.  I appreciate opinions and din't realize that there was validity to this, initially. [:I]

FYI: most corporate names, etc... were derived from the Mysteries...unknown to the public, of course.  My original post was pointing at the actual meaning of this symbol and how/why it is written as it is.  It appears as though the name "Visa" is another handle for the same truth.

Thanks for the info. []

[DjM]

The Bible is NOT meant to be understood by one who is NOT an initiate- period.  It is NOT meant to be read like a regular book, by design.  In addition, we can not ask trivial questions and assume understanding through strong sentiments and dim feelings.  One MUST pursue Spiritual development to earn the keys to unlock the door of understanding- there is no other way.

The danger of succumbing to the realm of Ahriman was at its greatest around the year 333 BC.  This was the movement in time when humanity began to make use of mere intellect, mere logic.  Then the Mystery of Golgotha (see my previous post) occurred and entered the life of humanity.  And from AD 333 onwards the time began in which human beings must consciously strive to re-enter the realm of the higher hierarchies.

They have certainly not raised themselves out of the realm of Ahriman because since the 15th century, intellectualism has come more than ever into its own.  Yet precisely because they live in the intellect, which is in fact not reality, they live actually in images, in maya.  This is their saving grace.  They live not in the actual realm of Ahriman, but in the maya of Ahriman, in mere appearance.  They can break away from it and turn in the other direction, but this can only be done in freedom.  For what we are living in is maya, a system of pictures; our whole intellectual culture is only image.  Since AD 333 human beings have been free to aspire to raise themselves out of maya.  The church has made every effort to hinder this.  It is time this aim was defeated.  Human beings must strive UPWARDS to Spiritual worlds.

333 BC
333 AD
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666

If you add these two numbers together you get 666.  That is the "number of the beast" indicating the time when humanity was most exposed to the risk of really descending to the kingdom of the animals.  They remain expose to this risk even after 333 AD, of course, if after entering the maya of Ahriman they do not aspire to raise themselves out of it.  The important point is that precisely becaue we have unwittingly sailed into Ahriman's kingdom, as far as the maya of Ahriman, we have becoime free beings.  No providence could have prevented our entering into the realm of Ahriman, otherwise it would have left us unfree.

Think about it and you will realize that it makes a great difference whether human beings acquire a spiritual frame of mind by means of which their astral bodies remain connected with their Angels while they are asleep, or whether they acquire no such spiritual frame of mind and are not accompianied by their Angel when they sleep.  For human beings then bring ahrimanic Inspirations with them out of sleep.  It is indeed the case that the whole materialistic mode of thought with which human beings are crammed full, is emerging in our time out of their sleep life, with greater and greater rapidity.

"666" has always been written down in a mysterious way; there is every reason to wrap in mystery the facts that surround this.  And for this reason it was written as 666.  In the mysteries in which the writer of the Apocalypse received his initiation, they wrote "400 200 6 60".  This is written in a way in which the uninitiated cannot recognize it.  This 666 was hidden.  It was to remain a secret through having "400 200 6 60"; by transposing everything an illusion is produced.  Now in the kind of writing used by initiates there is a certain principle which consists in letters being expressed by corresponding numbers.  The sounds of these four letters has a very special occult significance.  They represent stripping off the lower principles to rise to the higher.  What man has obtained as physical body, etheric body, astral body, and lower ego, before it rises- these four principles are at the same time expressed by these four letters, by Samech the physical body, Vau the etheric body, Resh the astral body, and Tau the lower ego.  The writer of the apocalypse can truly say: Here is wisdom! - For the wisdom is contained in it: Let him who hath understanding consider the number 666!

Transforming a Spiritual book to a materialistic understanding will ALWAYS provide disinformation!  Asking trivial questions and presenting trivial information trivializes what is referred to.  Spiritual matters are not trivial in the least!  Once again, the book of Revelation concerns the Christian initiation and is completely misunderstood by materialists.

The details are up to you...I love you all. []