A disconnection in our understanding of all reality

[beavis]

Theres all kinds of different dimensions and shapes and flowing patterns out there. It can of course look different to different observers. We know that from relativity in spacetime and similar things when observing the quantum. But just because it appears different to some than others does not mean there is no shared reality to it. Astral Pulse Island, for example, has many branches that network into and out of eachother, variations of it that grew as people visited and added onto it. But still some of us met there and described our shared experiences to eachother after we got back so we knew it was real.

There must be some continuous path between "physical" reality and astral. There may be different equations of physics that change gradually between them, but there has to be some way it all works.

We should be trying to understand the continuous paths between all parts of reality.

Dualism is the theory that there are 2 different kinds of reality that can not be converted to eachother. Its like the old idea that mass and energy are different kinds of things, but they are converted by the lorentz factor as a ratio based on speed. Similarly, we should be looking for the ways these observed different kinds of things dualism is about can be continuously travelled between them.

Universe means "Everything that exists." The physical exists. The astral exists. Both are part of the universe. How could there be any 2 parts of the universe which can't be travelled continuously between? Together it should all sum to zero and be balanced from all angles.

I do not want to have to choose between the worlds. I like astral and the other forms of reality out there more than the physical, but I see others around here stuck by the gravity of these forms and they don't even know other things exist so I build tools to try to network minds together (research in progress), and I think theres alot of potential in this world once we learn to merge space, time, and metaphysics using both machines and our metaphysical skills. But I don't know if they are ready to reduce the gravity of these forms and allow things to spread out in more directions like they do in astral. As a telekinetic at rare times, who used to be more skilled at it, I've seen the worlds merge a little. I know its there somewhere. I don't know if we can be compatible between these worlds, you might call them worlds, but a start is to at least agree there is some continuous path between the worlds that forms from either side can move to the other. I'm here at least for now to finish what I started in the bizarre research, but if it comes down to it and I can only exist primarily in one, I think I'd choose the astral.

[Szaxx]

Learn all you can about the links between the phys and the astral. You're only here a short time and once its finished you may have enough knowledge to break the barrier. A two way communication system can only be made with active parties at both ends of the string that connects.
It may be an infrared line or something we know exists but don't utilise at present.
Collect data on all you can thats suggestive of these links and collate later. You may find the result that science needs to open our art to the world.

[Wi11iam]

Theres all kinds of different dimensions and shapes and flowing patterns out there. It can of course look different to different observers. We know that from relativity in spacetime and similar things when observing the quantum. But just because it appears different to some than others does not mean there is no shared reality to it. Astral Pulse Island, for example, has many branches that network into and out of eachother, variations of it that grew as people visited and added onto it. But still some of us met there and described our shared experiences to eachother after we got back so we knew it was real.

There must be some continuous path between "physical" reality and astral. There may be different equations of physics that change gradually between them, but there has to be some way it all works.

We should be trying to understand the continuous paths between all parts of reality.

Dualism is the theory that there are 2 different kinds of reality that can not be converted to eachother. Its like the old idea that mass and energy are different kinds of things, but they are converted by the lorentz factor as a ratio based on speed. Similarly, we should be looking for the ways these observed different kinds of things dualism is about can be continuously travelled between them.

Universe means "Everything that exists." The physical exists. The astral exists. Both are part of the universe. How could there be any 2 parts of the universe which can't be travelled continuously between? Together it should all sum to zero and be balanced from all angles.

I do not want to have to choose between the worlds. I like astral and the other forms of reality out there more than the physical, but I see others around here stuck by the gravity of these forms and they don't even know other things exist so I build tools to try to network minds together (research in progress), and I think theres alot of potential in this world once we learn to merge space, time, and metaphysics using both machines and our metaphysical skills. But I don't know if they are ready to reduce the gravity of these forms and allow things to spread out in more directions like they do in astral. As a telekinetic at rare times, who used to be more skilled at it, I've seen the worlds merge a little. I know its there somewhere. I don't know if we can be compatible between these worlds, you might call them worlds, but a start is to at least agree there is some continuous path between the worlds that forms from either side can move to the other. I'm here at least for now to finish what I started in the bizarre research, but if it comes down to it and I can only exist primarily in one, I think I'd choose the astral.

Your concerns expressed here are a natural extension of the underlying 'knowing' of being part of a collective 'thing' which is absent of the practice of duality.  Duality is experienced through individual experience which trensfers itself on the rest of the universe as part of that experience.

In this day and age, we as individuals are more aware of that sense of oneness due to the evidence of our actual physical situation we are altogether one species sharing a finite reality = specifically on a planet...and this understanding births the concept of oneness and its accompanying realizations.

In relation to the differing 'kinds' of reality which duality maintains cannot be 'converted' to each other, it is the nature of individualism which has 'seen' this to be so, but it is not in actual fact, that way at all.  Yes, individuals have experienced the other reality and have not found evidence that it is objectively One Thing - although others have found it to be so but not altogether...a PART of it is, but other parts are not.

This leads to the hypothesis that 'the other reality' is a creation of human imagination (but real because of the nature/properties of 'the other' and is the way it is because human imagination is built upon the actual physical experiences of individual beings who have been largely unaware of any non-physical connection they have with each other.  Unicorns are horses with horns on them - Pegasus = horse with wings...(etc) all derive from real physical experience...

It terms of making an Island real and developing that Island and reporting together - it is a good scientific approach but of what value is it as a learning tool and how well can it help make those connections to both realities open?

In every sense, all things are real - in relation to the island, the reality is shared which proves to those involved with the experiment that they are indeed dealing with a real thing and a thing which has been created by a group effort.

The Island creation itself has little to offer the physical reality here on this planet, other than as a model metaphor for the Earth, and there does not seem to be any great emphasis attached to being able to experience this alternate reality and how these experiences could be compiled to present any particular picture which might help us here in the physical.

There is little point for now in hoping that mainstream science will somehow make any concerted effort to uncover and study the other reality = it is focused on what it can achieve here in regards to uncovering and studying, and for the time being those who do participate in the alternate reality are quite hesitant to share their knowledge and correlate the data scientifically in an effort to uncover and understand.

Again, this is due mainly to the nature of individualism.

If we had evolved as individuals who were connected and where 'secrets' were impossible to keep from one another, and supposing that every physical specie (ET) has its own alternate reality, if any of those species where more...I hesitate to use the term -  'hive-minded'  - because of the negative implications our specie places upon such a concept...I also understand why this concept appears to be an unpleasant one to contemplate - but when minds are connected, consciousness is collective...


...it is very likely that a specie which can think together will have those connections to their alternate reality open and active and the access between the two 'worlds' would not be restricted - both 'worlds' would naturally appear to be One Thing...different aspects of the same.

Consciousness would flow freely...

Such a species would have a tremendous advantage in relation to any specie which is cut off from the knowledge of their 'other' reality and have to work at making those connections open and fully accessible.

The question remains and is also integrated with another thread in this forum:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_news_and_media/extraterrestrials-t42285.0.html;msg333176#new

...the question being, 'of what use is the alternate reality with our own'?  If it were able to make itself known (full disclosure) to individuals, it is related to the ET question 'why are they not disclosing themselves to our species?'  Are they prevented from doing so - and if so, what is doing the preventing and why?

Individuals of course can argue that THEY are not being prevented from experiencing and exploring the alternate reality, and this would be true, although by all accounts, some things are off-limits - but I think the same principle applies...if ETs exist and can be communicated with through individual experience, then - with a bit of effort and a specific intent, it can be done.

Is the information of experience of any value to the collective?  

It appears (for now) not to be, because 'the collective' are not really 'collective' or behaving in a way that significantly shows they know of and appreciate the value of the connection they all have, but dont, wont, or for some reason, cannot share.

Mainstream science may be focused upon the physical, but I think it safe to assume that IF ETs are working with aspects of our species, there will be a lot more science going into uncovering the nature of and exploring the structure of the alternate reality in find out exactly what it is and how it can assist...for now at least kept secret from those who are indifferent, focused on less mind boggling - more mundane things and happy to have such 'secrets' remain secret.