a voice i heard in bed

[Nate]

The mind is an interesting thing as far as voices in your head go. I once spent the entire day reading the Mothman Prophecies so when I fell asleep that night it was the only thing on my mind. I woke up around three and immediately heard a loud voice in my head say, "He'll be here soon!" I did not however see Mothman or anything of the sort. I was disappointed. taaaa!!

-Nate

[dentrakas]

well the thing is that i only had a few looks with the book

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[Rob]

I wonder, is there any way of telling the difference between internally created voices and ones which come from real sources? I was woken fully this morning (was awake but drifting off again) by a male voice which said simply "Hi there!", clairaudience or astral hearing. It sort of appeared simultanaously in my head (very noticeable mental-spark caused, not usual) while at the same time being very perceptable as a voice. So I wonder if voices internally created do not have this quality of seeming like an objective speaker?
But then some scizophreniacs () are said to hear voices which sound real, though I wonder if this really is a form of astral hearing, only they are not mentally developed enough to cope with it. Such people may well also be very susceptible to psychic attack, and generally with their minds far too "open" to be healthy.

[cainam_nazier]

Ahhh, the voices.

It is an iteresting thing to try and get used to.  General rule I follow when I hear them.

1. Don't do what they tell you to unless the voice is familiar.
  -Example.  If you hear the KILL, KILL, KILL voice, try to ignore it. (Chuck Noris Joke)  But in reality I have often heard the voice of a friend of mine.  It sounds odd....wait scratch that, I forgot where I was.  Often I hear her and then know that I should contact her because she is thinking of me.  And I have accidentally learned other things from this too.

2. If you don't know the voice and it knows your name be carefull.
  -I could just be you or it could be something else.  Again Becarefull.

3. I have found that conversations that I hear are most definatly other people.  
  -They are just normal conversations.  It really neat to listen to others.

4. If voice pitch changes contact needs to be broken.
  -Do what ever you need to to stop hearing it!  This could be my own parinoya but I have noticed that it is linked to bad experiences.  Its kind like some one trying to hack a computer.  The longer your online the easier it gets.  If other senses are working you will notice several other things to go with this one.  Temp changes, Light and dark changes or spots.

5. Don't be afraid to listen some times.
  -just remember rules 2 and 4.


  Naturally some times your mind plays with you.  Thats why you have to listen.  Nate was engrossed in his book but it can happen with anything you spend lots of time on.  Games, movies, reading, and so on.
  Question for Inguma...  Was it time to get up?  Or a time you would normally get up?  The mind has a way of doing that.  The internal clock stuck in a repeat.


"But the voices in my head told me to do it!"


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

[Rob]

Ha yes, because of the voice I actually managed to make it to some important lectures. So it could have been just my mind making it up, but...well I am not sure really. I get strong intuition like my mind shouting at me to do something, and I ascribe that to "me". I also know that the voices seem to come from inside of me are *usually* me. But this was early in the morning, a time when you become very suspectible to picking up psychic impressions (real time sight, etc), so I still (like to?) think  it was from outside of me. And if it was my mind, wouldn't it have said something like "get up you lazy slacker!!"? The voice did have a fairly distinct feel to it, which I was not at all used to, in that it seemed like an objective speaker. But I cannot really be sure, don't have much experience in clairaudience, or the theory.




Edited by - inguma on 02 April 2002  17:33:14

[cainam_nazier]

Inguma,

Could it have been a friend maybe reminding you?  Some one who got up earlier than you?  Some one you were sapposed to meet there?  If you are still in contact with that person maybe you should talk to them?  Have you heard them any other time?  Did it sound like them?  Was it more of a "I'm up why aren't you?" tone?


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

[reclining orb]

The sound should surprise you.  Clairaudience is almost always surprising, because the activation of the audio channel cuts very close to where central awareness "sits."  How to explain?  When a character in a dream talks to you it's like a bubble-conversation in a cartoon, the words are there but the impression of them is more conceptual than physical.  When the audio channel gets direct stimulation that's more like a phone call jumping you out of bed at night.  The experience hits much closer to the home of your awareness. Get the difference?  It's not out there, but very much in here.

Complicating matters, having experienced some clairaudience, the mind can mimic it in a dream (in a more conceptual way).  Just like characters in comic books can communicate telepathically (just put the words in italics).  It's not the same thing, of course. I hope that helps you get the concept.  The experience of clairaudience will be obvious. It'll blow you away.  Like my uncle used to tell me as an anxious beginning angler, "Don't worry, you'll KNOW when there is a fish on the line."

[Rob]

hey

No the voice was not from the physical or of anyone I know. It spoke quickly and had the tone of someone who was happily greeting me. Most of my development has been concerned with getting to know precisely what is going on in my own head, so I notice things other people might not, like the strength of the mental spark which was created with the voice (I call it like a spark, every thought has at its creation someything like this, which you can feel with a little practise, and then cut thoughts off as soon as they start, useful trick...) - though this does not mean I created it, as all psychic impressions have to get in somehow, through the unconscious mind reaching consciousness if they have enough strength.
However it was not full blown clairaudience, which I agree, you cannot fail to miss. I was once doing strong energy work on my ears (odd, interesting though) and recieved such a strong impression it blew me off my feet. The voice was female, and the power contained in it was immense, but unfortunetely I broke concentration and suspect I missed some of what was being said. So you have telepathy and clairaudience, but I do not think these are clear cut definitions, and there is likely a lot of territory in.

quote:Like my uncle used to tell me as an anxious beginning angler, "Don't worry, you'll KNOW when there is a fish on the line."

Ha, I caught my first fish the other day! a 1lb sea trout, tasty.



Edited by - inguma on 04 April 2002  15:03:54

[reclining orb]

Inguma,

"Mental Spark" is a great term. Inguma is on the money with that term.
And I can agree with lots of territory between Clairaudience and Telepathy that all use Mental Sparks of varying qualities and strengths.  That brings up a great question: How to tell if a mental spark (the mental energy accompanying a thought) is from your own mind or an outside source?

One test I use is if the thought expresses itself in a distinctive "voice." Choice of words, placement of emphasis are two good examples.
A dead giveaway is if the "words" used (mental words, admittedly) are ones that I barely have in my vocabulary.
You can also try to feel the nature of the source of the communication.


Any other ways to identify internal versus external source?


P.S. happy synchronicity with your fish

[Rob]

Hi!

quote: P.S. happy synchronicity with your fish

heh, just the word I was thinking of! But I wasn't sure how to spell it lol!

quote:One test I use is if the thought expresses itself in a distinctive "voice."

Yeah that was what I was thinking. I do not think that any sane people should objectively hear voices of their own creation, thats more the territory of schizophrenics.
With internal voices that not always your own, which is where it gets really tricky to tell!
I had a disturbing (stoned..) experience ages ago where I had a short conversation with a thoroughly evil sounding voice in my head. It claimed to be a part of me, but it just felt so completely alien. I think you are right, this is important - that is, the "feel" you get. Anyway I banished it (bit badly but did the trick) and the attachment point on my finger (small mole) started tingling and hurting, so I know it was at least connected to an outside influence. This was pretty clear cut, but with internal things, for me, it is the hardest to tell who is at the start of the thoughts. Take telepathy for instance, so hard to know whether you are making it up or not!
Thinking about it, with voices in your head, simply having a short conversation with them certainly helps. But I think that sometimes it becomes not very clear cut at all. Mostly this is with respect to neg attachments, but say the voice I heard really was a part of me, which had been subverted or created by a neg, whose is the voice? Thinking about it, it claimed to be part of me, but wouldn't reply when I asked who it answered to (was controlled by). So I still wonder whether banishing it was a good idea, or whether I should have tried to "integrate" it and bring it under my own control. Not an appealing idea though, slimy disgusting evil voice....
So you can easily get into gray areas at times, as negs can influence you to think in certain ways.

On the topic of mental sparks, this is kinda interesting. A similar thing happens when the projection reflex kicks in, and once you "see" it happening it become possible to re-create it. It's not quite a spark, move like an internal button you press (in the relevant part of the head and inner meta-space). I can't do it so well any more, but it basically let me trigger the projection reflex at will for a little while (took some effort tho). Any similar experience or thoughts? I think, the more you get to know of your own mind, the more you can control it at will. Still a long way to go though aye...

[justine]

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[reclining orb]

One time I challenged a character in my dream to say something that I couldn't read and finish saying before he had fully spoken.  I had him for a while where I finished every thought that he started.  (cause I know he's just a part of me, right?) Then he looked up and said, "Window Necromancy." Ok, you got me.  

Just illustrates Inguma's point don't ya think? A part of me and a part of something else perhaps? who knows..

Inguma, I'd like to hear more about the "button" re: projection-reflex .  I get a feeling that if you put it in different words that would help me to understand.

[dentrakas]

it was four days ago when i downloaded from daven's journal a pdf book concerning magick (a lot of stuff 700 pages)
a few days later i was having a nap but i was almost awake. Suddenly
i felt a fluffy feeling at the top right back of my skull and there was this voice that spelled: "haveN'T you had a new hobby"
at speed of thought i looked at my computer and brought the book of magick at mind. The voice was somewhat of an old person.
Now that i rethink of the incident i adapt the phrase he told me to my new and only a few weeks fresh obe concern.
Same day i heard a bird i had never heard before out of the window and i felt was reforming around an infinite spot in the room as if someone was there with me.
I have to mention that my chest was all anxious too.]


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