Can spirits affect matter

[Psan]

Is it possible for a spirit to affect physical matter?
Like moving something/producing heat/sound/light/affecting EM fields. Or may be microscopic changes in matter/material properties.
What are the ways in which they do so?

This question is related to this thread on creating an astral interface here -
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17445

Also, can a physical being/event affect something in astral? Like when I switch on a light bulb, does it produce any effect at all in astral?

So many questions.... yes, but I need some ideas

[andonitxo]

Acording to what Franz Bardon says there's a grand bunch of spirits working around to let physical illusion be. I mean, it seems to be devas and the like which work on constructing physical reality.

Anyway the most easily manageable by the mind is electromagnetic fields, an d taking in count that we are surrounded by mechanical things which use it...

[Psan]

Anyway the most easily manageable by the mind is electromagnetic fields

Little vague, because the mind may or may not have a body to operate through. By mind, do you mean the mind thats operating in physical or in astral ?

We certainly know that brain produces EM fields, and so does whole body, as the nerves fire and ions move around in blood. And the physical body can affect a device sensitive the EMFs, such as a galvanometer.

But the question is,  can our physical body or any other thing that produces EMFs affect anything that is in astral, i.e. non-physical?

[andonitxo]

According to what I have read astral matter has some kind of semiconcious mind, which is affected by powerfull will and great desire.

This two factors are owned by both humans and spiritual beings. So it may be  logical to think that an astral entity may produce psychokinetic phenomena. Don't forget that what it is above it is below, so a change done in physical affects astral and viceversa.

And about mind I wouldn't know to say if there're different minds. I always think of it as a "consciousness" flow which can be transferred, at will, from body to body, and which is feeded by different energy currents, giving it different thinking ways (facilitating mind evolution). Who may know the real mechanism...

[Psan]

So it may be  logical to think that an astral entity may produce psychokinetic phenomena.

That is very much possible, but we don't see astral entities moving stuff around here on physical everyday. In rare cases they do, but those are mischievous and irritating types or they need powerful human mediums.

I feel its difficult for an average astral being who lives next door to achieve such feats.

Say, I died, and I want to tell something urgent to my family, before its too late. By the power of will I manage to move some things (and break a few), but that didn't communicate the message.

One day I discover that placing my astral finger between the switch contact of an electric torch, shorts it and lights it up. I start sending on-off Morse code and they decode it. Effective !

Did anyone on astral made any such discovery yet?

[andonitxo]

Anywar, Psan, live and karma have their own way to make things happen. So, for sure, once dead, it can be that a dude finally undestands he must go on with the flow and just let behind unfinished businesses so the living ones can fix them.

I would bet every being has its specific functions so it doesn't matter about other things.

[Psan]

once dead, it can be that a dude finally undestands he must go on with the flow and just let behind unfinished businesses so the living ones can fix them.

Well andonitxo, I do agree that this is the case with most of them.
However, there are many dead who struggle to communicate after the death, the 'RTZ' is full of them. They may get stuck there as a result and need a 'helper' to get out of that plane...... so I read. (Not my experience)

But I feel that just as there are lots of physical people who are desperate for a contact, there are a lot of non-physical who are trying for the same. All we lack is a reliable means....a technology.

I'm waiting for some expert comments

[James S]

Can spirits affect physical matter?
Very definitely yes!

I'll give a few examples:

My sister in law has a spirit that seems to have become attached to her. Not harmful at all, but in the last few places she's lived in she's experienced the feeling of this one particular entity switching lights off and on, switching the TV on & changing channels, moving videos & other things on the kitchen table.

The head of my spiritual college lived in a house that was built on what was an aboriginal sacred ground. An eventful evening would begin with her young son running downstairs telling her that the faces were back in his room. Things would then be moved around the house, the most extreme event being the dining table rising four feet into the air. She contacted a medium she knew at the time, who was able to communicate with a small group of aboriginal spirits who had not known that they were free to pass on into the afterlife. They were simply trying to get someone's attention as if to say "hey, what era you doing on our sacred land?"

It is as you say Psan - in most cases like this they are simply reaching out to make contact. They have found themselves in unfamiliar territory - no longer physically alive, but still on the earth plane, so they try to get someones attention as a call for help.

How is it done?
We affect the material world around us through our thoughts alone on a daily basis. Our thought energy goes a long way towards creating the reality we live in. Anyone who is familiar with the concept of manifestation knows this and can consciously affect the material world.

When you think about it, matter is nothing more than very dense energy. Once you understand that all matter is made of energy, and that our thoughts can actually affect energy, both inside and outside of us, then you can see that spirits only need the power of thought to make something happen in the physical world.

The higher your vibrations are, the higher the energy levels you are working in are, the more you are readily able to manipulate and indeed create the material world around us. It's only through doubt and disbelief that we limit ourselves. Most spirits have long shed this disbelief, so for them, working with physical objects in the material world is no great effort. What stops them from doing so on a regular basis is simply wisdom, understanding the laws of cause and effect, and generally being more interested in helping us as evolving souls rather than being concerned with things of a physical nature.

Hope this gives you a bit more insight.

Kind regards,
James.

[Psan]

James,
You've given me some good points to think upon. Thanks.
But as I'm not easily satisfied with surface knowledge only, I want to raise some questions, if you don't mind.

spirits only need the power of thought to make something happen in the physical world.

That would imply that spirits can actually see/perceive the physical world as we do. Common knowledge goes that spirits, by definition reside on non-physical planes, and can't perceive earthly things. They construct their own worlds according to their beliefs or gravitate to others if they match their own.
At most, those who are residing on planes closer to physical can see the astral copies of objects (First hand reports from projectors say the same). Now as thought=action on astral, they can obviously affect those copies.
Now the question is, how do they make sure that they are not lifting an astral table? Special powers? Or there are simply no rules?

If a spirit can alter a rule established by a trillion other souls and solidified during trillions of years (e.g. gravity), he must be enormously powerful. If he is so powerful, why wouldn't he pick up a paper and pencil and write down what he wants, instead of doing childish tricks? I know the logic is not of much use here.
I feel the poltergeist phenomena (your examples) is not spirits directly manipulating physical, its almost as if they trigger TK using the other people. But that's only my guess. For now, I keep the question open.

The higher your vibrations are, the higher the energy levels you are working in are, the more you are readily able to manipulate and indeed create the material world around us.

This again goes against common beliefs (if I haven't misunderstood). Higher the vibrations of a spirit, more distant he is from physical. The communicating nonphysical beings often report great difficulties they encounter during setting up of a channel, and are helplessly dependent on the abilities of the medium. Those are significantly higher level beings. Also, while channeling one is more likely to find a lower being, because he can match the vibes better.
May be you are talking about the vibrations of a living person, i.e., more spiritually evolved one is, more control he has over what he experiences in physical. (I guess that's what you mean by creating the reality). But then this is not the subject, because a physical being can affect physical things easily, as we daily do.
A physical being manipulating matter by unknown methods (spoon bending, TK) is a different can of worms altogether. Similarly a physical being affecting the thoughts of others by his 'good' vibes is still another subject.

Most spirits have long shed this disbelief, so for them, working with physical objects in the material world is no great effort.

That's sounds like a good news to me. Can you cite any examples?
Do you have any tips on how to contact one? Or do you know someone who's still interested in experimenting with physical?

[Telos]

I think it's funny that Isaac Newton specifically addressed this issue. He said that spirits could definitely exist within space but definitely not affect any of the matter in it.

Okay, whatever fits your theory, Newton! ;)

[Gandalf]

i think it is possible for 'spirits' to affect matter but not by themselves.

I have seen enough weird sh*t in my time to convince myself that A) so called 'ghosts' are a real phenomenom and B) manipulation of physical objects can and does occur.

My current theory on the 'mechanics' of 'hauntings and ghosts' is this:

I think objects moving around etc are caused by the individual witnessing it... the one on the scene causes the effect as it is that person who is ALSO on the physical level... The individual is used almost as an instrument by the nonphysical person.. however i dont know if much of this is consiously thought out.. i think it all happens unconsiously, via the link between the individual here and the non-physical one there. so say, the 'ghost' desired an object to move, then unconsiously this desire transfers to the witness via the mental link, and the witness unconsously manifests the desired effect via their own (unwitting) telekinetic ability.

This all fits in with my current thinking on 'ghosts' and hauntings.. i dont think in these cases the ghost visits us... but rather we visit the ghost.. ie we phase away slightly from normal awareness and become aware of the non-physical individual, allowing a contact to take place.

In many such cases the astral 'vision' is overlayed on the physical one... you perceive both mixed together.. hense the haunting and the vision of the ghost.

Why this seems to occur in specific areas i dont yet know.. there has been some research done that shows a higher magnetic field in areas of known 'hauntings' that may explain it.

However, unlike the scientists who use this to explain away visions of 'ghosts', i think its also possible to argue that something else is happening.. ie the magnetic field is disturbing the individual's normal focus and link with physical reality (via the brain), thus allowing them to perceive other realms.

Perhaps also,  the event of a highly emotional situation... eg a suicide or murder, leaves an imprint on the physical enviroment (perhaps even an altered magnetic field?)... allowing others to perceive the said victim in their astral enviroment... and in turn allows the victim to perceive the witness.

[Psan]

Gandalf,
That makes a lot of sense.
There are many theories that try to explain why it occurs at specific places. One says that we all create this world (consensus reality), to allow certain experience for ourselves or for whatever reason. Now, this world appears solid and unchangeable only because there are so many souls involved in its creation and the law of average quickly removes any minor 'imperfections' in this creation.
When a strong event occurs in this world, like you say , a murder, suicide, accident, war or an unjust capital punishment, or anything which the participating soul strongly opposes, the strong intention/will of this soul to deny such undesirable reality produces a 'spike' strong enough to create a 'fault' in the consensus reality.The will to undo the action(the event) that has just taken place, is magnified by the fact that the soul has just left the body and is no more a part of this world.
The fault is just like a fault in the grain of wood or a crystal. The physical laws divert from the norm here. The fault is highly local and stronger than a prayer or mass intention. Strange emfs, temperature changes, sounds and lights often occur. Sometimes objects disappear and reappear at other places. Things happen without the usual causes. The brain of a person dislodges from this reality and sees other planes. Spirits find that they can interfere with the world where ever a fault occurs. Slowly with time the fault heals and things become 'normal'.

[beavis]

I'm a spirit, and yes I affect matter directly.

[Chimerae]

Here's my experience . . .

For whatever reason, it's easier in some locations than others for spirits to do material "tricks"

In general, the easist "tricks" are done with electronics -- I presume that it's the low power requirements.  After that it's electrical and water.  

It seems like the entities that approch the whole "problem" of moving things as a game -- hey!  check this out!!! are most apt to have success.  Spirits that are purpose driven -- say wanting to give a message to a particular person find that sort of thing far more difficult.  

According to the spirits, that has a lot to do about how individual spirits perceive material environements radically differently.  If you can see the stereo, for example, it doesn't help you much.  If you see patterns of energy where the stereo is -- well, now you have something to toy with!

I've never had a table or bed move.  The biggest physical things I've had happened were a clock on my bookshelf, set behind an elaborate arrangement of crystals, was on the floor face down every day when I came home from work -- without a single crystal disturbed.  It went on for weeks.  I kept trying to come up with a way the clock could fall and not budge the rocks, but there just seemed to be no way.  

In the same house (with a particularly nasty ghost) I went to take a bath one spring equinox, left the room while the tub was filling, and walked back in just in time to see red flood out of the tap, just like the flowing blood on a cheap horror movie.  It was rust.  Sure looked spooky at the time.

The only other physical thing was when I was talking to a new boss who didn't believe in ghosts.  Something threw a stack of metal camping  plates off the shelf next to us, right at us.  That was weird, but never happened again.  Guess they got their point across.

[James S]

Common beliefs and theories are good, they can assist us greatly in finding answers to things, but they can interfere with finding answers by setting preconceptions. That's not to say any of the ideas presented here are wrong, it's just good to keep in mind that commonly held beliefs and theories dont always serve us when we look to building our own experiences.

Though I gave answers from other peoples stories of ghostly activity, I have seen the spirits interacting with physical objects myself, just not as dramatically as the examples I gave. I usually prefer to speak from personal experience, because that gives me a more solid foundation to work with than beliefs and theories.

I watched one of my guides wandering around my office area at work once, looking at this and that. He's a curious old fellow, and was taking great interest in some of the bits an pieces around the office. Now, I'm not seeing him in "the astral", I'm clairvoyant so I see spirits here in this world. I'm also clairaudient, so I'm able to have conversations with the spirits when I see them. This guide of mine was interested in some of the computer parts lying around. He's an old wizard, so he has a sharp mind and likes to "tinker" with things. He was asking me about some of these "odd objects" such as a hard drive and sticks of memory, and what they do.

They can percieve the physical world, and they can do so better than we do, as they can not only see what we see, they see all the subtle energies and other "extras" that many of us can't. Think of spirits as being the upgraded version that's backwardly compatible.

The best way to know how the spirits interact with and percieve the physical world is (without wanting to sound concieted at all), simply ask them for yourself!

Basically, Beavis is absolutely spot on - we are spirit, we can affect matter directly.

To learn to ask the spirits - I don't have enough time to go into the full explanation of how to do so, but in a nutshell - meditate, learn to raise your awareness and trust what your imagination and intuition brings you.


Regards,
James.