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Metaphysics => Welcome to Metaphysics! => Topic started by: Aileron on November 14, 2004, 16:10:21

Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: Aileron on November 14, 2004, 16:10:21
There will come a time in all of our lives, where information is only so important, and then comes a time to act. We must use the information we have in order to grip the reins of the future.


I dont want to stay stagnant anymore. These forums as well as Livejournal are a wonderful place to obtain and disperse information, to gather and congregate, and plan as well.

We here have an advantage most people dont have. Information and the open minds to use it.
I work, I go to school, and I see on the news the constant thrum of activity pacing by the halls of history, but nobody is taking advantage of the fact that with this knowledge, though sometimes scarce, and sometimes unreliable, we hold the penultimate truth between our fingers.

There are no reasons why we shouldnt stand up and take action towards a future we may desire, that we may have the ability to control. People force feed us these news clippings and slurs and constant blather about what we as a society needs. What our government thinks the world needs or what other governments and religions believe in having the answer.

NO!
We are all people who can come together and decide our future, not the organizations of political beaurocrats, controlled by sideline governmental shadows and prophetical history deigned by the fervor of religious zealots fleeing from their gods or their prophecies.
Somebody does need to do something, and there is no reason why it shouldnt be you!

Is there anyone who agrees? Anybody at all?
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: 0 on November 14, 2004, 20:02:28
I agree so much as I can understand. Are you stating that there needs to be some..."Assembly"....of people on these forums?

If so, for what cause?

I hope you arent expecting some life changing results from something like this. It is quite idealistic to believe there is one source of change for our world as such that would come from a group of people. Change comes from many different reasons, from many different people.

Though I cannot deny that there have been those exceptions in life that deals out the strongest cards to those individuals with enough conviction to stand by their opinion.
Most of the ideas similar to this usually end up fading into obscurity, and most do.
Some attempt to incite action through force and bloodshed, or by manipulating people.
What would be different with this? What would this group offer that other organizations couldnt?

As much as I respect the effort for these things, I must tell you that ultimately they can lead to nowhere.

I do agree though that with events currently playing out the way they are, it would be an ideal time to do something radical....as long as most peoples definition of radical isnt bloodshed.
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: Aileron on November 15, 2004, 17:51:53
Actually what I was trying to say, was that it would be more than appropriate for a gathering of people here with certain cause for concern of the future, to create an assembly of people to meet, discuss and/or form plans of action for certain purposes.

No, bloodletting was not the idea. Often uncivil movements reveal
1)desperation
2)uninspired motives and ideas
3)no real desire for change since violence is a reoccuring theme in human development

It also often begets more violence on both sides with no real end, nor positive results and counts off the degredation of those involved, meaning the violence, the more people we lose, the less voices we have.


The cause in specifity would be hard to reveal, even to myself, for I can only see so far into the potential of the human mind. But I can see what is needed, and eventually there needs to be a new process of stimulation.

There need to be new people voicing ideas, or creating new worlds for us to live in.

Did everyone here think that these systems we live in now, the democracies, the governments, the religions, the institutions, the economies were going to last forever? Or if they should last forever?
Hasnt anybody really looked into finding a different alternative, or tried to achieve it?
Not recently, probably not in the last couple hundred years I would say.
Even since the beginning of the 20th century things have changed so much that the systems and structures we have lived under since then do not balance out the modern changes in technology, in the mindset we carry, the knowledge, the communication nor the desires we have.



The difference in this is as large as you would want to make it.

Look, what are the three biggest issues this world seems to deal with?

Religion

Politics

Economics

We have been thriving underneath these three for a very long time, and nobody has done anything radical enough to give the majority of people of the world a chance to seek a new kind of change in their own lives.

Who wants to transcend tradition when tradition is just that?
Who wants to differentiate from what we already are so comfortable with, even though others may suffer?
Who wants to find the effort to bring together those of likemindedness?


Jesus, its not difficult to think on this. We all have the power to do something, but what makes us special is when we act on that ability.

Is there really nobody who wants to try?

Im not trying to fool anyone into thinking that what we do here will have immediate effects. In fact I want to make it clear that these are long term ideas, and that anything we put in place for a goal will take immense patience.

I want to make these three things clear to you all if anyone is interested. To make this an effective idea, three things are required.

Immense Patience
Motivation
Stamina



Allow me to explain the ideas shadowing the whole goal.

Within the three important aspects; Religion, Politics, and Economy, our assembly would over a period of time become involved in large portions of these aspects. We would begin to pull the strings in the directions we are motivating our species toward, thusly over time, we will freely manipulate the systems how we see fit.

We institute certain schools geared towards ideas beyond the regular educational structures.
For instance, we begin aggressively nudging individuals toward their strengths, and even reinforce with more rigor than past systems have.
We allow for a wider teaching range involving both a more complex system at younger ages, as well as newer installations of programs such as new age ideas, inventive research and hands on theory work.
The schools must also divide between allowing for the "Summerhill" idea in which the students are released on their own to the schools to approach their educational opportunities at their own pace, and a stricter guidelined school seperated from the rest of the outside world, focusing certain students at certain performances for underlying results.
One bigger issue as well is instituting the ideas behind all the schools that post-school does not mean the lack of being involved with the school or no more learning, as well as teaching the idea that school will lead to a life designed by the individual to better themselves and the world, not to make money or be successful financially.

These ideas go on and on and can be worked on as well as new ones implemented whenever the need arises or is desired.


Just think to yourself, while the world moves on around you, you only attempt control for a few objective points surrounding you. Those in control try to control forcefully and blandly what is not theirs.

I want to give everyone back their choice, and this a way that is possible. Dont laugh this off and say it is impossible, improbable or will fade away. That only happens when nobody gets involved and nobody voices their opinions.
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: Quiet_Storm on November 15, 2004, 21:11:32
Nice thread, I was thinking the same things. I know some like minded people on the internet from the internet. I just moved to this area, so I don't have much of a social background here BUT I know alot of people at a karate dojo in my area (one of them is my freind, and thinks like me) so I will building that up social ground/status, as hard as that may be as I'm not even in a public school anymore, just couped up in a house for school. When I get my car, and start meeting people spontaneously... I'll be 'grouping' myself into some kind of place, and status that I can use to cause an effect that reflects what I want to happen....

Now, the next step is.. getting that car, so I can even be deemed 'cool' and a job so I can be deemed 'a man' so that I even have a right and responsibility to take for what I know, and then onwards. Step by step though, but what can I do, time seperates.

and of course, I'll be planning, and thinking more as I do.
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2004, 21:20:56
Don't worry Aileron.

The movement has already begun.  I have been working on the exact same premise that you have presented for four years now.  It will be slow at first but the change will be made and the day will come.

Later
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: Palehorse on November 15, 2004, 23:39:48
Excellent thread.  I have a lot of ideas, though I don't have time to compile a list just yet.  Most of them simply have to do with becoming more self-sufficient, and reliant upon those in your immediate sphere of influence, rather than being reliant upon The System™ we're trying to change.  If enough people were to stop depending on the system, and thus withdraw their time and resources from it, it would crumble like a house of cards (which is only a matter of time anyway)... and those who had ceased to be dependent on it would simply keep on living.  There are tons of small ways any of us could do this; use your imagination.  I have become very inspired by a class I'm taking on Native American philosophy.  The indigenous people of the Americas were *masters* of self-sufficiency and sustainable living, and there's quite a lot we could learn from them that could easily be integrated into what we're hoping to do.  So, I think that any study in that general direction would probably be a good place to start.

As for your politics/religion/economics bit, my long term goal is to gain influence within the religious scholarship community, and use that influence toward the goals of this new paradigm.  More specifically, I have a problem with the fact that there's a huge gap between modern scholarship, and the average religious person.  Scholars are typically a rather elitist bunch, who write predominantly for each other.  The average religious person is someone who fulfills his "religious obligation" by sitting in a building for an hour or so a week, and has his spirituality prepackaged and fed to him by someone who is paid to do just that.  They have neither the time nor the desire to figure out what scholars have to say, and since that information usually contradicts the traditions and doctrines that are designed to keep butts in pews and cash in the basket, they generally won't hear it from the pulpit either.  Mainstream Christianity (also known as "McChristianity" and "Churchianity") has become the very thing it started out as a reaction against, and has become another tool of the very culture and system we're trying to change.

Much of my plans involve supporting and/or helping to found new forms of religious communities that are more in line with the new paradigm, and are, incidentally, exactly what the Church started out as: small egalitarian communities where everyone had an active role, as opposed to large hierarchical institutions.  Within these communities, I hope that the more participatory nature will encourage more questioning, critical thinking, etc... which is where my personal contributions will hopefully come into play.  I don't believe in the idea of scholarship being inaccessible to the average person -- if all this knowledge ultimately serves no practical purpose, then what good is it?  The challenge then, is to find the thin line between accessibility and intellectual integrity without dumbing down the material so much that it puts us right back where we started.

What I'm proposing might be a bit idealistic, but I don't think so.  I've seen sociological studies indicating a shift away from mainstream institutions in favor of a more personalized and individualistic spirituality... so chances are that by the time I'm out of school, there will already be something like this going on that I can become a part of and contribute to.

Although my focus is primarily on doing what I can to reform my own religion, I also see the potential for good things in the future of Islam and Judaism.  Islam is around 1500 years old and about due for a reformation IMO... so it could be that the Arab world finally gets so tired of war and bloodshed that public opinion turns against Muslim extremism in favor of an interpretation of Islam that seeks more peaceful solutions to the issues that confront them.  With Judaism, the problem is mostly political -- there are religious Jews and there are Zionists, but the two aren't necessarily synonymous.  Hopefully the latter will realize sooner than later, that their religious beliefs and the concept of "anti-semitism" are being manipulated to great effect and used as a rallying cry by a very small and very power-hungry group of people, and that the biggest enemies of Jews and Judaism are not just the folks blowing themselves up in public places.

I just hope I'm not asking too much, for all this to happen before people are *forced* to wake up by a catastrophe of apocolyptic proportions... and maybe not even then.
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on November 16, 2004, 01:25:52
I think that many people have a desire to change this world, and know that current system is here not to help people but to control them. And in these times there is no even one democratic country in the world. When you elect someone who will rule, this is not a democracy. Also think about capitalism: it isn't as good as they say, why do we have to give advantages to small group of capitalists who rule the country, and keep extreme disproportions of income? Even in US many people live in poverty, and it's not always their fault. There is a project called "ParEcon", and it is a complete economical and political system, it's perfectly planned, and it's the first system, where all people would be equal, without ruling/owning means of production minority.
If you want to know more about it read the book at:
http://www.zmag.org/books/pareconv/parefinal.htm
I guarantee that this will open your eyes
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: Quiet_Storm on November 16, 2004, 01:27:51
QuoteThe challenge then, is to find the thin line between accessibility and intellectual integrity without dumbing down the material so much that it puts us right back where we started.

That is great! Thanks for the inspiration, I was thinking along the same lines myself.

My aunt's family are like the flanders.. oh boy Im going to see them for thanksgiving!
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: Quiet_Storm on November 18, 2004, 19:32:26
Hey Palehorse.

Look up moral relativism, you might like it.
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: Palehorse on November 19, 2004, 02:30:38
What makes you say that out of curiosity?

Actually I'm not a big fan of moral relativism.  My take on morals is that there is indeed a universal moral standard... it's just that with our limited human perspective, we're not always in the best position to be sure about what it is.  For example, the moral relativist would say that it was right for Mayans to perform human sacrifice because they believed it would make the sun keep rising (at least I *think* that was them...).  Whereas, I would say that they were committing an immoral act, however understandable their logic may have been from their perspective and limited knowledge.  They may have viewed it as a necessary evil, but that doesn't make it any less evil.

I think the golden rule is a pretty good general standard, and since some form of it is found in every major religion on the planet, apparently I'm not alone, heh.  Basically, if someone asked me how to be a moral person (O wise sage that I am... hah) I'd just tell them "be good to yourself, the environment and other people, and don't infringe on anyone's right to life, liberty and property if they're not infringing on yours."  Beyond that is a whole lot of situational ethics and grey area that I don't have the motivation to get into right now, heh.

While I'm on the subject, I might as well say that I don't believe in legislating morality.  I believe the best government is one whose job is to protect its people from force and fraud, and that's about it... though I'm leaning toward the government having a responsibility to preserve the environment as well.  Thus, something like murder is illegal not because it is immoral, but rather because it involves one person infringing upon another's right to life.  This also means of course that "consentual crime" is an oxymoron, and all of those should be legal.

So yeah... there's a lot more that I could say, but I should probably stop philosophizing and start on that nasty homework stuff.
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: Quiet_Storm on November 19, 2004, 04:18:02
Well, I mostly agree with this part : "be good to yourself, the environment and other people, and don't infringe on anyone's right to life, liberty and property if they're not infringing on yours." except for the "be good to everything" just because one's 'good' may be another's 'bad' and it can get subjective.  But, if you always do what you think is right for you and know that you are responsible for it no higher being can fault you for that.

Then of course, my states of mind usually change and this is just IMO now until I consider another truth...
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: aleshah on November 20, 2004, 13:57:20
Quotebe good to yourself, the environment and other people, and don't infringe on anyone's right to life, liberty and property if they're not infringing on yours.
It's just not imaginable to realize this integrity or being against it...
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: Palehorse on November 20, 2004, 20:59:30
QuoteWell, I mostly agree with this part : "be good to yourself, the environment and other people, and don't infringe on anyone's right to life, liberty and property if they're not infringing on yours." except for the "be good to everything" just because one's 'good' may be another's 'bad' and it can get subjective. But, if you always do what you think is right for you and know that you are responsible for it no higher being can fault you for that.
Well, the subjectivity is why I defined it with "life/liberty/property" etc., which doesn't leave much room for interpretation.  Being good to yourself and the environment isn't really subjective either, the more one knows about nutrition, psychology, ecology, etc.  The issue of the correct moral action becomes a bit stickier though, once someone violates your rights or those of someone else.  I have my own ideas on that, but I don't claim the authority to tell anyone else what to do in that situation, other than "don't get so consumed by the need for vengeance that you become no better than the original offender."  I personally tend toward the idea that in most cases, the ideal is a good balance of justice and compassion.

But yeah, I agree that we can only rightfully be held accountable for what we know, and when most people know better, they do better.  However, when information is readily available, ignorance becomes willfull, and therefore, no longer excusable.
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: Quiet_Storm on November 20, 2004, 22:09:33
Well I think we've hit common ground. and I agree with you totally.
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: aleshah on November 21, 2004, 05:16:23
QuoteBut yeah, I agree that we can only rightfully be held accountable for what we know, and when most people know better, they do better. However, when information is readily available, ignorance becomes willfull, and therefore, no longer excusable.

-We *not* only account what we know.
-Ignorance could be forgiven, if we account only what we know.
-If  ignorance becomes willfull, we should also forgive ourselfes and only  if we want do that, otherwise we would forgive with  ignorance in our faces.
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: BirdManKalki on November 22, 2004, 07:27:29
"On Hearing the way, the best of men will earnestly explore its length. The mediocre person learns of it, takes it up and sets it down, but vulgar people, when they hear the news, will laugh out loud, and if they did not laugh, it would not be the way."  

"There need to be new people voicing ideas, or creating new worlds for us to live in."

Deep readers beware your in for a scare.

We can change the world for we are the children of the revolution, this being so a warrior is not great because the size of his army but by his word. The Pen/Keyboard is mightier then the sword, take a look around you, as you have mentioned

Religion

Politics

Economics  

All systems all schools of thought and ideas are manifested via the Pen! The hand controls the pen and our thought controls the hand.  

Aileron, you are awake yet your alarm is still running, Get up and switch it off! My friend, how much thought have you given to that film we mentioned? Wouldn't we call that a quite storm? Eh it just so happens that we have a Quite Storm here. We bring our own information together.

Why did you title the thread the Eleventh Hour? What overwhelming force possessed you?

"Whereas, I would say that they were committing an immoral act, however understandable their logic may have been from their perspective and limited knowledge. They may have viewed it as a necessary evil, but that doesn't make it any less evil."

A movie is an act of spontaneous creation and thus the work of the Spirit which always has a reason.

Watch Apocalypses Now; tell me why didn't they kill him? What is the symbolic reference of the sacrifice of the cow? What were they telling us? Why did Kurtz embrace death? Why do people view Kurtz's regime as disgusting or evil instead of natural? Kurtz says that the fighter pilots were told that it is obscene to write bonk on the side of the US bombs. Makes you think.      

Our biggest enemy is ignorance, we where ignorant, and despite what we know we remain ignorant, therefore we must work with ignorance, for our enemy is ignorant of his cause behind his action. Our enemy or rather friend can be helped.

Introducing 'Self'

It is about time we introduced a new word or slang into the English dictionary; this word will be used to subconsciously affect the Light in the head without the lower ego being aware. We are all familiar with the term donut, where one friend will playfully call another a donut; nobody takes offence for this is friendly word.

We will use are enemies greatest weapon against himself; we will use his selfishness against him. To explain, I have many friends who are too in touch with form and thus the Lower Ego, this meaning they know not that they are there thought incased in form. I have been discussing theories with them for some time, during our discussions I have used the term self frequently, this has had a knock on affect, for my friends who know not what they do have introduced this word into our social setting, and now I shall share it with you. While playing, pool doubles or any game computer/sport when one of your friends does a selfish move or play 'not passing the ball' simply exclaim Self in a playful joking manner. Or say one of your friend's walks off and forgets to make you a drink in the kitchen, Self! There are many ways to exclaim self, Ranging from tone volume and happiness put into the word, It is also important to maintain eye contact with the inner will focused on awakening the light of the individual that the command is directed at, use the term and before you know it your friends will be calling you self when there is no reason to do so, this out of sheer habit, need it be mentioned how useful it is to be called self, or even to obtain the nickname self for ten minutes?

Examples, said loudly among friends after friends is really greedy on ISS pro evolution four, four player so your minds are all focused on the same thing and thus slipping into the group lucid moment Self! Everyone laughs.

After realizing we have been selfish for whatever reason, Self! Simple term.

For the Dumiii (Unbeliever)
Self: Slang term used to playfully disrespect ones friend with no harm implied. The dumiii is unaware that when he uses the term self it is benefiting for all in close proximity.

For the Awake (Believer)
Self: Slang term used to bring about the word self (with all its meaning and understanding one can muster) more frequently within ones own reality, greatly beneficial for awakening the Light in the head, Self examination, decoding your environment, bringing others together as a group, sharing the lucid moment and for calming all situations.

Requirements on introducing a new slang term

Immense patients will be required until the leaked word forms itself into the minds of the masses and becomes a popular term. Patience for it might takes some time for your friends to pick up on the word.

Motivation = The right attitude that you can do anything you want, yet restricting yourself only to helping others, if correct state of mind is approached it just happens like a synchronicity and your in flow, anything is possible and your will, will affect others without your knowledge.      

Stamina = to remained yourself its all for the greater good and despite all pain carry on.

After we loose something we realizes what we needed it for, thus destroy the ego and you'll know what its for.  

A changeover has many explanations just like the word self has multiple meanings however if I where to say this document contained changeovers what would I be talking about?  

Know your Enemy!
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on November 22, 2004, 15:36:15

For the Awake (Believer)

Awake=Believer?
Fanatic christians, muslims, and others say the same - it MUST be true! :wink:
And what means Dumiii word? If I am right about what it is, then you could be even wrose from the people you describe with such word... And it would be better for me to sleep forever than to awake in such way that you did.
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: aleshah on November 23, 2004, 08:01:36
"Donut" could be encoded as command DO NOT, if a person is doing silly things.wise :)
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: BirdManKalki on November 23, 2004, 10:53:10
CaCoDeMoN you have no idea what you just said! Why did you wink? You silly dumiii, you know not what you do just as the rest of the dumiii's!

"Donut" could be encoded as command DO NOT, if a person is doing silly things.wise"

very wise aleshah, although you don't know what you just said or what you just did!

Love to you all!

Cacodemon would I create the word dumiii just to replace it with unbeliever? Would I be that silly? I don't waste the word, the brackets are there for a reason just as this whole post and everyone posting are all posting for a reason. Does an unbeliever know he is an unbeliever?

I was just about to post the statement which included numbered commandments, I read your do Not as a warning, I checked my emails and had an email from a friend I shall show this email below.

The Guys' Rules...
> > >       At last a guy has taken the time to write this all down.
> > >Finally...the
> > >      guys' side of the story. We always hear of the Rules from the
> female
> > >      side.
> > >      Here are The Rules from the male side.
> > >      These are our rules. Please note... these are all numbered 1...on
> > >       purpose.
> > >      1. Men are not mind readers.
> > >      1. Learn to work the toilet seat.  You're a big girl.  If it's
up,
> > >put
> > >      it down.  We need it up, you need it down.  You don't hear us
> > >      complaining about you leaving it down.
> > >      1. Sunday sports.  It's like the full moon or the changing of the
> > >tides.
> > >      Let it be.
> > >      1. Crying is blackmail.
> > >      1. Ask for what you want.  Let us be clear on this one:
> > >      Subtle hints do not work! Strong hints do not work! Obvious hints
> do
> > >not
> > >      work!
> > >      Just say it!
> > >       1. Yes and No are perfectly acceptable answers to almost every
> > >question.
> > >      1. Come to us with a problem only if you want help solving it.
> > >That's
> > >      what we do.  Sympathy is what your girlfriends are for.
> > >      1. A headache that lasts for 17 months is a problem. See a
doctor.
> > >      1. Anything we said 6 months ago is inadmissible in an argument.
> In
> > >       fact, all comments become null and void after 7 days.
> > >      1. If you think you're fat, you probably are.  Don't ask us.
> > >       1. If something we said can be interpreted two ways and one of
the
> > >ways
> > >      makes you sad or angry, we meant the other one.
> > >      1. You can either ask us to do something or tell us how you want
it
> > >      done. Not both.  If you already know best how to do it, just do
it
> > >      yourself.
> > >       1. Whenever possible, please say whatever you have to say during
> > >       commercials.
> > >      1. Christopher Columbus did not need directions...and neither do
> we.
> > >      1. ALL men see in only 16 colors, like Windows default settings.
> > >      Peach, for example, is a fruit, not a color.  Pumpkin is also a
> > >fruit.
> > >      We have no idea what mauve is.
> > >      1. If we ask what is wrong and you say "Nothing," we will act
like
> > >      nothing's wrong.  We know you are lying, but it is just not worth
> the
> > >      hassle.
> > >      1. If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an
> > >answer
> > >       you don't want to hear.
> > >      1. When we have to go somewhere, absolutely anything you wear is
> > >      fine...Really.
> > >      1. Don't ask us what we're thinking about unless you are prepared
> to
> > >      discuss such topics as rugby, the shotgun formation, or golf.
> > >      1. You have too many shoes.
> > >      1. I am in shape.  Round is a shape
> > >      1. Thank you for reading this.  Yes, I know, I have to sleep on
the
> > >      couch tonight; but did you know men really don't mind that?  It's
> > >like
> > >      camping.
> > >      Pass this to as many men as you can...to give them a laugh.
> > >      Pass this to as many women as you can...they will laugh louder.

I then checked my junk folder and found another email from my friend this one follows, i encourage all serious readers to examine all thy posts with deep thought, i dont waste the word.

The Brazilian congress is now voting on a project that
will reduce
the
Amazon forest to 50% of its size. It will take 1
MINUTE to read this,
but
PLEASE put your names on the list and forward this on
as instructed
below.
First, some facts: the Amazon rainforest is
responsible for the
generation of 20% of the oxygen that we on this earth
breathe,
30% of the world's freshwater is contained within the
Amazon basin,
60%
of
the cancer fighting drugs used today are derived from
plants that can
only
be found within the Amazon rainforest.
The area to be deforested is 4 times the size of
Portugal and would
be
mainly used for agriculture and pastures for
livestock. All the wood
is
to
be sold to international markets in the form of wood
chips, by large multinational companies. The truth is
that the soil
in
the
Amazon forest is useless without the forest itself.
Its quality is
very
acidic and the region is prone to constant floods. At
this time more
than
160,000 square kilometres deforested with the same
purpose are
abandoned and
in the process of becoming deserts, meaning that this
proposal is in
the
short-term interests of a few, & in the long term
interests of none.
Please copy (cut & paste) the entire text into a 'new
e-mail', put
your
complete name in the list below, and send to everyone
you know.
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64 - Hera-Woodstock, NY
65 - Nicos Peonides - Cyprus - New York NY
66 - Fiona Cousins - New York, NY
67 - Alistair Millington - London, UK
68 - Edgar Craggs - Bristol, UK
69 - Chris Hastie - Nottingham, UK
70 - Adam Barley - Bristol, UK
71 - Dawn Morgan - B! ristol, UK
72 - Lottie Berthoud - Bristol , UK
73 - Julia Simnett - Bristol, UK
74 - Lindsey Colbourne - Bath, UK
75 - Wendy Lawton - Bath, UK
76 - James Friel - Birmingham, UK
77 - S! ylvia Magyar - Budapest, Hungary
78 - Danco Uzunov - Budapest Hungary
79 - Vladimir Jurukovski - New York, USA
80 - LasteStojanovski - Auckland, New Zealand
81 - Katerina Rusevska - Skopje, Macedonia
82 - Snezana Pesic -Kragujevac, Yugoslavia
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86 - Brendan Kelly-Brussels, Belgium
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88 - Ignacio De la Riva-Madrid, Spain
89 - A. Townsend Peterson - Lawrence,Kansas
90 - Anita Gamauf-Vienna, Austria
91 - Desmond Allen-Tokyo, Japan
92 - Krys Kazmierczak, London, UK.
93 - Anand Prasad, Denma rk
94 - Pauline McLeod, Yo! rk, UK ? BR>
95 - Lee Casey, Harrogate, United Kingdom
96 - Sibylle Rhovier, Bournemouth, UK
97 - Peter McCaig, London UK
98 - Robert Vint, Totnes, UK
99 - Hugh Warwick, Oxford, UK
100 - Richard Madden, Brighton, UK
101 - Am! anda Marks, Woodbidge, UK
102 - Jane Laws, Woodbridge, UK
103 - Joanna Hayes, London, UK
104 - Julian Matthews - London UK
105 - Anna Davies, London, UK
106 - Darren Lucas, M! ansfield, UK
107 - Nic Masters, Taunton, UK
108 - Kate Dougal, London, UK
109 - Richard Dolan, London, UK
110 - Stacey Watson, London, UK
111 - Shannon O'Brien, London, UK
112 - Jigna Patel, London, UK
113 - Lisa O'Brien, Malmo, Sweden
114 - Johan Luyckx, Malmo, Sweden
115 - John Dolecek, Malmo, Sweden
116 - Steven Huynh, Malmo, Sweden
117 - Bodil Johansson, Malmo, Sweden
118 - Anna-Maj Wandt, Dalby, Swed!en
119 - Kajsa Nordstrom, Uppsala, Sweden
120 - Anna Hillerberg, Stockholm , Sweden
121 - Annika Jegbert, Stockholm, Sweden
122 - Christer Jegbert, Stockholm, Sweden
123 - Anna-Carin Collin, Taby, Sweden
124 - Nadja von Kantzow, Stockholm, Sweden
125 - Johan von kantzow, Stockholm, Sweden
126 - Calle Rosengren! , stockholm, sweden
127 - Daniel Achilles, Stockholm, Sweden
128 - Cecilia Andersson, Stockholm, Sweden
129 - Henrik Eriksson, Stockholm, Sweden
130 - Pontus Holmgren, Stockholm, Sweden
131 - J.B. Russell, Paris, France
132 - S.D. Smith, Virginia, United States
135 - January Harris, Virginia, United States
136 - Tarki L. - Crook, Virginia, United States
137 - Marcia L. Rutledge, Syracuse, NY, USA
138 - Justin A. Cohen, Syracuse, NY, US
139 - Stephen C. Shriber, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
140 - Laura I.Shriber! , Den Haag, The Netherlands
141 - Rutje V. Gorissen, Amsterdam , The Netherlands
142 - Floris Mansvelt Beck
143 - Herbert A. Hauer
144 - Dorien Culo, Denderleeuw, Belgium
145 - Heidi De Glas , denderleeuw , Belgium
146 - Van Wesemael Emily J., Nafraiture, Belgium
147 - Nicola Monkhouse, Surrey, UK
148 - ROWENA PICKERING, BARNSLEY, UK
149 - Jonathan Exley, Birmingham, UK
150 - Gemma Eminowicz, Birmigham, UK
151 -Sarah Stoneley, Birmingham, UK
152- Chris Brewer, Birmingham, UK
153 - Freya Hart, Birmingham, UK
154- Mariah Skellorn, Brighton, UK
155 - Natasha Krichefski, London, UK
156 - Helen Hassan, Leeds, UK
157- Corey Williams, Auckland,New Zealand
158 - Anne Stearn, Stowmarket, UK
159 - Rebecca Everall, Norfolk, UK
160 - Nigel Ball, Suffolk, UK
161 - Jennifer Garner, Ipswich, UK
162 - Christopher Birt, Liverpool, UK
163 - Anne Birt, Gosford NSW Australia
164 - Elly Buchanan, Terrigal NSW Australia
165 - Lyn Casey, Terrigal NSW Australia
166 - Marj orie Lambert, Glendale NSW Australia
167 Joan Lambert, Adamstown NSW Australia
168 - Michael Osborne, Adamstown NSW Australia
169 - Gavin Heise, Merewether NSW Australia
170 -Michael Whitbread, Islington NSW Australia
171 - Yasmin Holm, Newcastle NSW Australia
172 - Greer Allen, Newcastle, NSW, Australia
173 - Hill...,D, Burnham,Somerset, UK
174 - Emma-Louise Shaw, Manchester, UK
175 - Dan Hillier, London, UK
176 - Sophie Spooner, Oxford, UK
177 - Jason Hussain, Oxford, UK.
178 - Iris Geens, Oxford, UK
179 - Anna Nekaris, Oxford UK
180 - Els van Lavieren, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
181 - Brooke Aldrich, Amsterdam, Netherlands
182 - Signe Munkevica, Tukums, Latvia
183 - Leon Moore, Chesterfield, UK.
184 - Sarah Ridout, Wisley, UK
185 - Kae Matsuoka, Findhorn, Forres, UK
186 - Pamela Skaldeman, Kansas City, MO USA
187 - Eva Blomstrvm, Bjvrkebo, Ekersberga, Sweden
188 - Andrew Schneider, Salmon Arm, BC, Canada
189 - Bonnie Schneider, Salmon Arm, BC, Canada
190 - Fred Schoenrock, Nanaimo, BC, Canada
191 - Marci Condon, Nanaimo, BC, Canada
192 - Linh Tran, Nanaimo, BC, Canada
193 - Jesse Preston, Nanaimo, BC Canada
194 - ng_miriam, Vancouver, Canada
195-Lindsay Bell, Vancouver, Canada
196- Serinda Swan , Canada
197- karla stojkovich, canada
198-Sophie Alden, Vancouver
199- Jennifer Meyer, Vancouver Canada
200- Brooke Hurford, Vancouver Canada
201- Alex Sevensma, Vancouver Canada
202-Kay Blunt-Clayden, Vancouver Canada
203-Laura Shapiro, Vancouver Canada
204-Michelle Morgan, Toronto Canada
205-Grace Morgan, Montreal Canada
206-Nisaa Jetha, Montreal, Quebec - Canada
207-AdamSHamoon, Montreal, PQ Canada
208-Christine Scanlon,Kingston Canada
209-Mark Masotti, Kingston, ON, Canada
210-Alexandra Hughes 211-Elliot Hughes
212-LesleyCampbell
213- Lorna Bauer
214-Hilary Bauer
215-Kate Hutcheson, Toronto Canada
216-Jessica Purbrick, Ballina, NSW, Australia
217 - Mike Xavier, Miami, QLD, Australia
218-Robynne Hammer,Leeds, UK
219-Alexander Moore, Bristol, UK
220-Rupert Skinner, Manchester,UK
221-JONATHAN JARRETT-KERR, london uk
222- Sarah Jarrett-kerr, Bristol UK
223 - Caroline Gent, Somerset UK
224 - xander pearson,high littleton.
225- Claire Hunt, Salisbury, UK
226- Rupert Harland, Manchester, UK
228- Max Fraser, London,England
229 - Alice Weldon, Devon, England
230 - Quentin Hicks, Somerset, England
231 - Rory Shaw, London, England
232 - William Lawes, Oxford, England
233 - Victoria Theaker, Bristol, UK
234 - Nicholas Drake, Paris, France
235 - Martin Aveling, Bristol, UK
236 - Harriet Wray, Bristol, UK
237 - Amy-Louise Harris, Durham, UK
238 - Tamzin Davis, London, UK
239 -Tom Spreyer, Edinburgh UK
240 - Andrew Wallach, California, United States
241 - Roxanne Hampl, California, U.S.
242- Naraya Tarr, Queensland, Australia
243- Kellie Smith, Queensland, Australia.
244- Bonnie Jenkins, Queensland, Australia
245 - Anne Moen, Queensland, Australia
246 - Tom Scarlett, Queensland, Australia
247- Rebecca Peters, Queensland, Australia
248- Jules Faber, Queensland, Australia
249 - Darwin Nagy, Queensland, Australia
250 - Michelle Rizal, Queensland, Australia
251 - Christian Ronquillo, Queensland, Australia
252 - Simon Dunn, Byron Bay, Australia
253 - kol dimond , mullumbimby, Australia
254 - Maarten & Gill van Yzendoorn, NSW, Australia
255 - Rosalind Foy, NSW Australia
256- pierre desombre- Tours France
257- Benoit Desombre- New York, USA
258- Lionel Bissoon - Florida
259 Aleta St James - NY, NY USA
260 Antony Baskar Inigo - Chennai - India
261 Joanna Kossak-Cox, London United Kingdom
262 Don Vermeulen, Nijmegen, Holland
263 Lesley Warner, Leeds, Yorkshire, England.
264 Pippa Scott, Leeds, Yorkshire England.
265 Yvonne Stroud, Leeds. West Yorkshire, England
266 Neil Stroud, Leeds. West Yorkshire, England
267 Michael Goldstone, Leeds, Yorks. England
268 Jacques Sm ekens, London, UK
269 Jeremy Halliday, Cheshire UK
270MoniqueShawDavis,Farnham,UK
271 Hannah Moore-Morris, Guildford, UK
272 Amanda Simpson, Surrey, UK
273 Clare Barbary, Bracknell, Berkshire, UK
274 Angela Sewell, London, UK
275 John & Liz Mumford, Dorking, Surrey, England.
276 Andrew Sordyl, Walton on Thames, UK
277 Solveig Nielsen-Brown London UK
278 Nicola del Forno Lyon, France
279 Véronique Bouchard Lyon, France
280. Cecil Hollingsworth, Los Angeles California
281.Jutta Maibaum, Carriacou, Grenada
282. Susan Payetta, Carriacou, Grenada
283. Rod Armitage, Winchester,Hampshire, UK.
284. Rachel Armitage, Chandlers Ford, Hampshire, UK.
285. Soraiya Pasha, Portsmouth, Hampshire, UK
286. Andrew Bell, Southampton, UK
287. Charlie Dacke,Portsmouth, UK
288. Jo Taylor, Portsmouth, UK
289. Ellen Giddey, Bath, UK
290. Jane Brickwood, Hayling Island, UK
291. Sue Lewis, London, UK
292. Linda Harrison, London UK
293 Melanie Harrison, London, UK
294. Laure Zaoui, London, UK
295 Valerie Goury, London, UK
296 Mark Brown, London, UK
297 Gina Latner, London, UK
298 Victoria Herman, London, UK
299 Daniel Herman, London, UK
300 Lisa Roukin, London, UK
301 Alan Grady, London, UK
302 Mark Davies, London, UK
303 - Rafe Potter, London, UK
304 - Brenton Oakley, London, UK
305 - Kevin Albright, Melbourne, Australia
306 Alice Beale, Melbourne, Australia
307 Emma Danchin, Melbourne, Australia
308 Melanie Blint, Melbourne, Australia
309 Thanh-Lan Gluckman, Melbourne, Australia
310 Maree Norden, Melbourne, Australia
311 Jock Mackenzie, Melbourne, Australia
312 Ellie Scott, London, UK
313 Laura Copley, UK
314 Moa Brattwall, Sweden
315 Tove Posselt, Gøteborg, Sweden
316 Jonna Larsson, Göteborg, Sweden
317 Liv Larsson, Göteborg, Sweden
318 Alanna Lorenzon, Adelaide Australia
319 Alice Macdonald, Bristol, England
320 Olivia Macdonald, Oxford, England
321 Geoffrey Piddock, Sheffield, England
322 Charlie Hutchings, Nottingham England
323 Belinda Hutchings, Birmingham England
324 Ann Fletcher, Birmingham UK
325 holly timmermans uk
326 Wendy Hopkins, Birmingham, UK
327 Dave Alexander, Birmingham, UK
328 Linda Strain, Birmingham UK
329 Annette Naudin, Birmingham UK
330 Jane Fowden
331 Mark Patchett
332 Jack Patchett
333 Megan Patchett
334 Martin Purcell, Huddersfield, England
335 Jayne Healem, Huddersfield, England
336 David Duthie, Montrose, Angus, Scotland,UK
337 Amanda Armitage, Scotland
338 Alice Uren, Manchester, UK
339 Lynne Richmond, Manchester, UK
340 Mike Dagley, Dublin, Ireland
341 Goff Lalor, Dublin, Ireland
342 Sarah Fields, Dublin, Ireland
343 Conor Kelleher,Cork, Ireland
344Austin Hopkirk, Belfast N. Ireland
345 Brad Robson, Fermanagh N.Ireland
346 Michael Ellison, Rochester, Kent, UK
347 Jacqui Moffatt, Brighton, UK
348 Lorna Overend, Belfast, NI
349 Rob Sheldon, Sandy, Beds, UK
350 Richard Winspear, Potton, Beds, UK
351 Dave Suddaby, Co. Mayo, Ireland
352 Keith Fairclough, Orkney, UK
353 Lee Shields, Orkney, Scotland
354 Christina Turtle, Bangor, N.Ireland
355 Nina Chapman Holywood, N.Ireland
356 Bryony Middleton, Edinburgh, UK
357 Catherine Fletcher, Bristol, UK
358 Gareth Fysh-Foskett, Bristol, UK
359 Bethany Fenton, Oxford, UK
360 Chris Wheen, London, UK
361 James Jaggs, London, UK
362 Suzannah Pepys, York, UK
363 Philly Dyson, Hampshire, UK
364 Harry Marshall, East Sussex, UK
365 Hannah Williams, Birmingham, UK
366 Imogen Comyn, Witshire, UK
367 Tim Fosh, Durham, UK
368 Jeannie Foulsham, Oxford, UK
369 Libby Hickman, Nottingham, UK
370 Grace Wyatt, Cambridge UK
371 Sarah Garrod, Durham UK
372 Thomas Cadwaladr, Manchester, UK
373 Katie Davidson, Manchester, UK
374 Lorna Eden, Leeds, UK
375 James O'Brien, Leeds, UK
376 Bradley James Davies,UK

This email and all your words caused me to change the next post for the commandments were numbered, thankyou all love to you all, even the poor dumiii's
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: BirdManKalki on November 23, 2004, 11:03:02
The Divine Truth, part II

12th to the 13th October 2004 woke up on the 15th and still waking        

Readers beware! You're in for a scare.

This information is important and free no money is involved. Please give yourself the time to read it all – carefully. Our motivation is that this truth will change your life and that you will 'smile from the inside'.

Once this information is read it will be posted by all to all on their email contacts with a web address directing us to this present site were all who have ears to hear may bare witness. An appeal goes out to all Hackers, Hackers Of The World Unite! We have also wanted to say this 'Hack The Planet!' spread the word in anyway possible, yet know if any man adds words to this hereby divine written document he forfeits his place in the Kingdom of God.  

The Message

Intro

The truth you seek the word I speak
The message has come the message I speak
The message wakes those asleep
The Message will bring tears to thy feet

So open thy eyes look in the Suns eyes
The tears will feed the seed within inside
The seed shall open before thy eyes

The seed grows reveals thy light
Reveals the light trapped within thee
The light bursting to be free

So
Hope ye are free
Be what you will be
The seed planted shall awake thee  
Prepare to rise to fly
Never shall you die
Why ask when you know why

Prepare to rise
Fly to thee
Prepare to rise
Fly to ye
Let the soul fly free

Now is Time and Time is ripe, now prime to release thy hidden light  
The day is approaching now's the time, release your fear for the very last time  

Chorus  

Parallel Minds, flow in the sands time I Hope this message will reach you in time
Ye are free to say what's on you're mind
Be free to say what's on you're mind

On The Source

I am the nameless I am the formless
You are nameless you have form
Keep in mind know you are I and I am you
There's not one difference between us two  

On Instinct

As for our instincts here's what me thinks
The instinct to survive the instinct to create
The instinct to destroy that what which is made

Six billion created equal
Six billion instinct equal
Six billion hope equal

Living in a world without blame
Trapped in a repeating time frame
You up for going around again

On Will

Free will so what is free will
Enlighten thee if thou wills
Hear the words I speak
You're free to will what you will
Free to place your will where you will
For Will can never be taken only given    

On the Hope

So where's the hope were did it go
Was it stolen don't think so
 Was it taken don't think so
 It was given the hope was given

Given by who given when
Was it the Pope
He's just a spoke within a wheel
Bringing hope on appeal.  

The Kingdom of god is in you! Thus it is already here!

To the Hopi Indians

You have Persevered against all the odds and We Love You All, We are communicating to you via the Spiderwoman, your tablet has been destroyed, it was found in Ireland, The preaching Egyptian travelled to Ireland, obviously with the tablet and was stung by a hornet, and consequently the tablet perished with him. A photo has been taking of 'a' tablet and then the said tablet was destroyed, therefore the tablet is nothing.  If we were with you in physical we would place our open palms together in a kiss.  

"The Son Of Man comes with the clouds and every eye shall see him"

The following information once read analysed and heard can be crossed checked at the following

www.freeservers.com/fsi.html

We have been waiting for God to come back and save the world from destruction. How many times have you heard somebody say the following?

" I would believe in God if he showed up above the sky, shaped himself in the form of clouds and told us that he had returned "

It won't happen like that, people wonder why doesn't God show up perform an undeniable miracle and stopped all injustice. Remember God helps those who help themselves.

Let it be known to all seekers of light the time is now and the times is ripe, we are awake, if thou judge thee as preachy, let it be known thou is mistaken, for this is not an image, this is God given. The purpose of this document is to provide witness of the eminent coming of the kingdom of the god and is specifically designed by the most supreme and praiseworthy universal mind in order to implant the seeds that shall sprout forth and flower from all who hear thy words within thy kingdom. The authority of which one speaks comes from oneself and naturally one talks to oneself.    

Instead of rewriting and converting the written theory into post format its been decided that it would be better for us to enter a discussion. We have an understanding of the theory, which is just another way of saying that it exists as a thought form within that can be examined to extract gathered information that is related to the theory. So instead of posting a complete theory it has been decided to try and express 'The Thoughts' which, so it shall be seen will express the theory.

The view on which in which we view thought forms has been previously stated; however we shall repeat our self so it be clear. In our view everything that exists in form 'manifested or unmanifested' is a thought form. On the physical plane or 'real time whatever you want to call it' everything that is natural such as Matter, its functioning and properties is Gods manifested thought form or to put it another way gods first internal thought which went on to express, manifest, recycle and grow as a group thought form in a constant state of mass communion.  

Now we should state what context the term unmanifested is used in the above statement. When I say unmanifested I consider the entire Astral Planes bar Real-Time to be unmanifested matter, that is to say in a synthetic metaphoric sense matter which hasn't matured, this matter being less dense and not yet manifested in the physical.

If we examine the above we can see that we have a few problems. One being, how does one link logically the connection between the manifested and the unmanifested? How do way make a connection out of nothing so to speak.

While first off it is known in mans science and a considered orthodox view that if we heat water it boils and vaporises, changing from one state into another whereas if we cool it down it will eventually freeze. Now talking from a scientific orthodox view Water being of one element H2o, this being made of two hydrogen's and one Oxygen. This element amongst others can be changed into three different states all completely different from each other, gases, liquids and solids. Now if we can take hold to this orthodox view does it not seem logical to perhaps look further into the possibilities whether matter does or does not exists in a number of different states?

On Understanding Nothing

Now Let us take down some facts.

1. The Universe is ninety percent made up of voids.

2. Matter flows forth from these voids.

3. Matter forms everything in the universe.

4. Dark Matter fills twenty seven percent of the universe yet nobody has identified dark matter hence the name.

5. If Dark Matter fills twenty seven percent of the universe and dark energy sixty-nine percent then that leaves four percent left over.

6. One would then have to presume that if DM fills twenty seven percent and DE fills sixty-nine percent then the remaining four percent must be ordinary Matter.

Now if we consider all these facts we get an image of the physical universe. The Universe is matter e.g. planets and star systems. Then there are the Voids these are big holes of nothing that make up ninety percent of the universe and then we have DM, which is unknown and invisible. We think this is the generally excepted view of our Universe.

We would also like to add a few ideas that we have been guided to think about.  

Now what if these voids weren't actually big empty spaces of nothingness as it is so often thought, what if they were (thought holes) and what if inside them was unmanifested consciousness. And since matter flows out of these Thought holes would it be wrong to call matter manifested thought?

What has been suggested requires more of an explanation for if this was to be so it would require a whole rethinking of the governing belief systems. Now what do we mean when we say thought holes, let us expand on this idea, first matter flows out of the voids then crystallises into form. This is mans excepted idea however it doesn't explain the process of the distribution of matter why some matter goes on to form planets and some goes on to form stars. This is a question that so far to mans understanding remains unanswered, however we would like to propose a solution.

It is known that what man calls matter is manifested thought. And that this manifested thought is distributed by being thought into existence, it's easier if we give an example. In the following example the plane paper represents unformed matter ready to be manipulated, are hands represent matter and the origami elephant represents formed matter and our thoughts represent unmanifested thought.    

If we have a plane piece of paper (nothing is on it) its just white, however if we perform some origami and create an elephant we would have created something out of nothing. In order for us to create the elephant we had to think about what we wanted to create using the power of the individual mind, Thought (unmanifested thought) then we had to fold the paper using our hands, Matter, once we have created the elephant our unmanifested thought becomes manifested thought and the matter forms to our desired form. So we can say that the only way for thought to manifest is trough the use of light, or to put it another way matter. Thought is perceived to be manifested via the perception of the lower ego, however the light of the individual is fully aware of its present circumstances.      

Manifested thought

We shall try to explain the following.

What is Matter?

It is said that voids are empty spaces of nothingness. We have already determined that consciousness itself is invisible and therefore thought itself is invisible until perceived by the light of the individual mind, would it be too much to assume that the voids within our universe are big empty spaces of consciousness and that this consciousness is the consciousness and light of the Divine Universal Mind?

Now in order for us to explain what matter is we first need to explain the simple process of how the Divine Universal Mind creates. In order to create, the Divine Universal Mind being pure consciousness, needs only but to think things into existence. Within the Void is the internal energy, unlimited pure and un-manifested thought. Now if the Divine Universal Mind desired to create a universe it would occur in the following stages.

1.   The Divine Universal Mind would have to sacrifice some of its unlimited consciousness. This consciousness would shine forth from the void and in so doing would become external energy (Manifested thought) to manipulate via the thought of The Divine Universal Mind, much like clay that when wet can be moulded into shape.

2.   The Divine Universal Mind manipulates this energy via its thinking. Much like we can move our limbs without having to put much thought into it.

3.   In order to keep the Universe functioning there would need to be a continuous supply of matter 'light' (manifested thought) in order to replenish the diminishing supply. The diminishing supply returns to the void in order to be recycled.      

What is inside the voids?

Inside the voids is unmanifested thought. We are connected to this unmanifested thought. The unmanifested thought is what is referred to as the source, on the other side of the void are the astral planes or the heavens, it must be noted that the heavens existed before thought had been perceived to manifest. The higher up we go in the planes the less dense matter becomes and the less we identify with ourselves and the more we feel a sense of oneness. At the very apex of the planes is pure thoughtless, unconditional love it should be the aim of all to return here for this is the source and all eventually shall return to source.    

So what is manifested thought?

So as has been explained manifested thought is matter and matter is energy so matter and energy both being the same are both manifested thought but in different states. How ever this is speaking from the view of the Lower ego, and not of the light of the individual.

Before we carry on we must first clarify in what context the terms consciousness shall be used in order to simplify the process of union. Say we had a problem that required solving, when we suddenly grab hold of a thought that explains how to solve our dilemma we will usually cry out "I've just had a thought/idea" this being so if we refer to an idea as a thought, and then if we can refer to words expressed as thought and inner dialogue as thought then what is consciousness other then a pool of thoughts that are all connected on some level?

On The Individual Mind

First we shall make a reference to consciousness of the individual mind, or as is preferred the light of the individual. The consciousness that we are now referring to is that of pure untainted consciousness. This consciousness is thinking consciousness and thinks for itself. It is important to note that individual consciousness doesn't manifest but incarnates, when we say incarnate what we mean is that the individual consciousness hasn't been thought into existence via maturing and then manifesting as thought in the physical, but that the untainted invisible pure consciousness chooses to experience the physical realm. The consciousness of the individual when in an unaware state associates itself with its inhabited form and closes its windows therefore forgetting that it is light, therefore one with all, this consciousness is sometimes referred to as god-consciousness, all this has been said by other other's before so we shall skip the detail about the false ego. However what needs to be said is that this light of the individual and the light of the greater individual consciousness are the same source and can and will return to source.

Along with the consciousness of the individual we now need to be aware that what Man terms as light is rather the external and internal omnipotent consciousness of The Divine Universal Mind that constantly projects it's inner consciousness as an image, this if we can be so bold, can be referred to as the Divine Universal Mind's residual self image. Matter itself is The Divine Universal Mind thought Vibrations that exist as thought waves, these thought waves are currently affirmed in Mans earthly science, this shall be confirmed when one wills. However we have to remember that matter itself is thought and therefore manifested thought, and then we have to remember that a collection of thoughts can be referred to as consciousness. With this in mind inanimate objects like a stone or a chair can be said to contain the consciousness of the maker, this consciousness being a unique pattern of thoughts when perceived via light containing the perceived thought form entering the eye, the thought waves are recorded as a 2D image, when this takes place the light of the individual mind is aware, even if the Lower ego is active and in firm hold that the perceived light containing the image is the light of itself, the light of the individual brings together the recorded 2D image of the light of the Divine Universal Mind and this brings about the perceived image and manifestation of both animate and inanimate objects as thought forms. This type of consciousness shall be referred to as inanimate consciousness.

Because we have inanimate consciousness it is necessary that we have its opposite this being animate consciousness. Animate consciousness works exactly the same as it's opposite, inanimate consciousness; the only difference between the two being that things of animate consciousness are living things that themselves require untainted consciousness to function. Examples being the body of a human or the body of any other living thing, plants included.        

On The Divine Universal Mind

Along with these forms of consciousness we have the consciousness of the greater individual or The Divine Universal Mind, this consciousness being the adding together of all forms of previously explained consciousness, these forms being the consciousness of the individuals, inanimate and animate these are all linked together via thought, them all being thought existing in different states. Thus all is thought.            
       
We shall now turn our concern to the thoughts of the individual consciousness as to what is thought? And how do we define thought? At first glance these questions seem simple so simple that there not even worth thinking about however these simple questions are a lot more complex then is first thought.

 First it is necessary to explain in orthodox fashion how we see the world around us. It is thought that we don't actually see with our eyes we see with our brain. This is explained somewhat as follows.

1.   Light enters the eye by passing through the cornea.
2.   Then it goes through the pupil.
3.   Then the light goes though the lens.
4.   The light passes to the vitreous humour the light hits the retina this records the image upside-down and in 2D 'Thought'.
5.   After this the image is sent to the optic nerve this sends the image to the occipital lobe in the brain and the brain reassembles the image into 3D.    

Now the truth on how the eye and the minds eye functions shall be fully announced and explained.

Light is a constant pressure exerted upon matter the weight of light is equal to 4-10 of atmospheric pressure per square mile, not only this but light itself spoken of in the spiritual term is the pure consciousness, which constantly expresses this current image via vibration. We have to keep in mind that if light didn't exist we ourselves wouldn't be able to see, this would mean that our untainted individual consciousness wouldn't be able to perceive anything. Likewise if we had no eyes we wouldn't see.  

1.   Light enters the eye by passing through the cornea. Or to say another way the universal minds tool of expression is light or ultraviolet light. We have to remember that whilst we are incarnated the world that we are experiencing and living in is the outward impression or image of the Divine universal minds inner thoughts, this is to say that what is perceived whilst incarnated is but the tip of the iceberg.

2.   Then it goes through the pupil. Or to say another way the body that the untainted consciousness occupying the body receives light. This occurs in the following. Light itself being a constant pressure exerted upon matter travels via the pupil of the body into and through the lens.

3.   The light passes to the vitreous humour the light hits the retina this records the image upside-down and in 2D. At this stage the Individual Mind perceives the light as the same light of itself.

4.   After this the image is sent to the optic nerve this sends the image to the occipital lobe in the brain and the brain reassembles the image into 3D. However this can also be describe another way, first it is important that we understand that the body itself is made from matter, and that pure untainted consciousness has no form. When the light hits the retina the image is recorded in 2D, although the process isn't as simple as this. As the image is seen it is recorded by the untainted consciousness that recognises the light to be the expression of the greater consciousness of which itself is apart.              

From understanding the above we can understand the functioning of the third eye and can come to understanding that wherever one casts ones vision one sees oneself.

Individual thought is invisible and is a source of light 'The Universal Minds consciousness'. So from our understanding of how the eye functions it can be safe to assume due to thought being light that we can see thought directly, however in order to simplify this understanding we will talk of seeing thoughts indirectly, strictly speaking this is untrue because one always sees thought directly, however if one is under the management of the Lower ego thoughts can be said to be experienced indirectly via the use of light. For example if I move my hand and wave at you from across the street you would have indirectly read my thoughts trough the action of me waving, you'd also have to bear in mind that we are made from matter. However this isn't the only way to communicate our thoughts and emotions and there are other ways that we can communicate our thoughts. For example if we were to shoat at you from the other side of the street I would have used my voice. In order to do this we would have first thought about what we wanted to say to you, then we would have searched the correct way to convey the thoughts in a way that could be best understood.

From understanding the above we can see that we can communicate our thoughts in many ways ranging from tone, volume and the emotion put into the words spoken, however this is explained in terms understandable for those ruled by the Lower ego, all is thought.

However this is just how we communicate are thoughts. There are many other ways of experiencing our thoughts. If we were to visit an art gallery for instance, the pictures and statues that were created would have first existed within the artist's individual mind either as a completed piece or a vague idea this is what is known as a thought form. The artist would be compelled to bring this thought form into existence (materialisation) once the piece is completed and the artist happy, the thought form would have materialised. The artist when drawing or sculpting his work would have to use his hands and eyes to grip and measure the brushes brush length and to sculpt the work itself, he would also have to think to move his hands in the desired way. We still have to take into consideration that the gallery itself was designed and had its own architect. Again the above just explained is in terms for the Lower ego to comprehend. So with this in mind we can be opened to an understanding that everything in the universe first exists as a thought form. Wherever it is man made like the chairs we are sitting on or a unique individual tree.        

With regarding the above one can come to an understanding that the consciousness of the individual is invisible and whilst incarnated the communication is exchanged between individuals via thought and the interaction with matter 'perceived manifested thought'. So on the scale of the consciousness of the individual, thought is invisible and something that is invisible will appear as nothing.

"What where you thinking"?
"Nothing"

There is that popular misunderstood axiom I think therefore I am. We shall look into this further, now we shall present an example. If we where in a room with one another and we where both deep in thought but didn't speak, do the thoughts that we think exist? Where are the thoughts within us? Now we know that inner dialogue within us is real, but to an outsider someone who can't here our inner thoughts until we express and manifest them via matter our thoughts never existed to anyone other then ourselves.

The kind of situation we are talking about is like the film rogue trader; in this film they are trading money in the stock market, at some point in the film Ewan McGregor explains to another character that the money whilst it is being traded doesn't really exist in any physical form, so this means the traders are literally trading with nothing. Another example from the film city slickers comes to the mind, at one point in this film Billy Crystal explains to his sons classroom that he is an advert space seller, this means that he sells time slots for adverts, he comes to the conclusion that for a living he sells empty space that doesn't exist. What we find strange is that men can bring themselves to trade with invisible money, and earn there living selling air and yet to ask them to consider that their thoughts are part of a greater Universal consciousness is almost the same as running up to them and purposefully behaving in a manner that will cause them to label you insane.      

Now we have crossed another bridge, for if on the individual consciousness scale thought is nothing and invisible then how does this effect the way in which we view the consciousness of the greater individual? As has already been stated the consciousness of the greater individual includes all other forms of consciousness. All one need do is apply the phrase as above so below. With this in mind all one must do is re-read On the Individual and instead of reading On The Individual read On The Divine Universal Mind.      

Now let it be known to all with ears to hear why man has come to the conclusion that the atom and matter is the making of the universe. This is the false perception of the Lower ego; the Lower ego is only capable of identifying with thought 'form' and its surroundings, the process in how we view our image has been described, now we shall describe to ourselves what the scenario of those individual minds that are under the influence of the Lower ego are known as, this shall be described to all to help clarify as follows.  

A little Hint On Synesthesia

syn-es-the-sia n. Physiol. Sensation produced at a point other than
or remote from the point of stimulation, as of a color from hearing a
certain sound (fr. Gk, syn = together + aisthesis = to perceive).

Synesthesia is an involuntary joining in which the real information of one sense is accompanied by a perception in another sense. In addition to being involuntary, this additional perception is regarded by the synesthete as real, often outside the body, instead of imagined in the mind's eye. It also has some other interesting features that clearly separate it from artistic fancy or purple prose. Its reality and vividness are what make synesthesia so interesting in its violation of conventional perception. Synesthesia is also fascinating because logically it should not be a product of the human brain, where the evolutionary trend has been for increasing separation of function anatomically.
R. Cytowic, "Synesthesia: A Union of the Senses" Springer-Verlag, NY (p.1)

This site provides information about the neurological condition called synesthesia. We hope to give viewers a sense of different synesthetes' personal perceptual abilities. Equally important, however, is the idea that a creative person can also use his/her unique synesthetic abilities to make a living and bring significant contributions to the world. Such talents as utilized by artists and other creative individuals are highlighted within. Because there are different forms of synesthesia, many links between the senses, we have also linked this page to others which communicate the synesthetic experience in different ways.
Carol
Carol is an artist who lives and works in New York City. She has experienced synesthesia for as long as she can remember, perceiving colors in numbers, letters and when hearing certain sounds. Selected forms of touch like acupressure and acupuncture also lead to the perception of both colors and shapes.
·   "I came back from college on semester break..."
·   "With acupuncture, I experience color in layers"
·   "Orange is my default color for pain"

Carol's synesthetic alphabet

Karen
Karen is a language researcher and project manager living in Boston. Her synesthesia dates back to childhood and involves the perception of colors when viewing text or hearing spoken words. A meeting she had with Professor Rosalyn Picard of the MIT Media Lab led to the effort culminating in this web site.
·   "That's just the way my letters are"
·   "Linguistics is a grayish-purple-blue word"
·   "I first realized it when I was about 11"

Karen's synesthetic alphabet
http://web.mit.edu/synesthesia/www/colordemo.html

Is There a Normal Phase of Synaesthesia in Development? <1>
Simon Baron-Cohen
Departments of Experimental Psychology & Psychiatry
University of Cambridge
Downing Street, Cambridge CB2 3EB
UK

sb205@cus.cam.ac.uk

Copyright (c) Simon Baron-Cohen 1996
PSYCHE, 2(27), June 1996
http://psyche.cs.monash.edu.au/v2/psyche-2-27-baron_cohen.html
KEYWORDS: cross-modal matching; development; Maurer; Meltzoff; synaesthesia.

ABSTRACT: Synaesthesia (one sense triggering another) has recently become amenable to scientific investigation. Recent findings are reviewed. Maurer's developmental theory of synaesthesia is then discussed. The theory states that all human neonates have synaesthesia, but that by about 4 months of age the senses have become modularized to the extent that we no longer have synaesthesia. Possible ways of testing this important theory are described, and the distinction between this account and cross-modal matching (Meltzoff) is clarified.
1. Introduction
Synaesthesia, the mixing of two (or more) senses, is reviewed by both Harrison and Cytowic (this issue). For an adult, it is clearly unusual to experience a sensation in one modality triggered purely by a sensation in another. For example, to see a colour every time you hear a sound. Our research group have become convinced that such unusual cases are genuine, and it is several lines of evidence that have persuaded us: (1) the impressive test-retest reliability in the consistency of colours triggered by different words (in the case of "coloured hearing"); the similarity of reports from different cultures and different times across the century; the sex ratio (it is overwhelmingly a female condition); the familial pattern to the condition; and the neuroimaging data (using PET) showing different cortical blood flow patterns in women with synaesthesia in comparison to women without the condition. These findings are reported elsewhere (Baron-Cohen, Wyke, and Binnie, 1987; Baron-Cohen, Harrison, Goldstein, & Wyke, 1993; Paulesu, Harrison, Baron-Cohen, Frith, Frakowiac, & Goldstein, 1995).

The question addressed in this article is whether synaesthesia is unusual only in adulthood. Could it be the case that such cases of adult synaesthesia represent a failure to develop beyond a normal phase of infancy, in terms of the differentiation of the perceptual system? On the face of it, such a proposal seems hard to credit: that all babies might be synaesthetic at some point in their lives. Yet this is precisely the proposal formulated by Maurer (1993), and I think we have to take it seriously. In this article, I briefly summarize and evaluate the evidence for this radical proposal, and end by suggesting some lines of research for the future, to help answer this interesting question.
2. The Neonatal Synaesthesia Hypothesis
To understand the Neonatal Synaesthesia (NS) hypothesis, it is important to distinguish it from a close (but less radical) relation, the Cross-Modal Transfer (CMT) hypothesis. Here is the nub of it. The NS hypothesis argues that early in infancy, probably up to about 4 months of age, all babies experience sensory input in an undifferentiated way. Sounds trigger both auditory and visual and tactile experiences. A truly psychedelic state, and all natural - no illegal substances play a role. In contrast, the CMT hypothesis argues that objects can be recognized in more than one modality, as a result of infants being able to represent objects in an abstract form (Meltzoff & Borton, 1979). This implies, for example, that babies can recognize one object versus another from their appearance, even if they have previously only touched them without seeing them.

There is considerable evidence for the CMT hypothesis. For example, Rose, Gottfried, and Bridger (1978) found that 12 month olds look longer at an object they had just explored orally. Meltzoff and Borton (1979) found a similar result for 1 month olds. Lewkowicz and Turkewitz (1980) found that 1 month olds show least heart rate change when a patch of white light is followed by a burst of white noise at an intensity that adults rate as 'matched in intensity', but they showed significant heart rate change when the light was followed by a sound of very high or very low intensity. This suggests infants match intensity of stimulation between vision and hearing, and "respond to changes in the intensity of stimulation impinging anywhere on the nervous system" (Maurer, 1993, p. 109; this is also the authors' interpretation) .

In sum, whilst the CMT hypothesis was radical when it was first proposed, it is now widely accepted. It refutes Piaget's (1952) idea that the different sensory systems are independent at birth and only gradually become integrated with one another. Instead, it offers some support for the view proposed by E. Gibson (1969), Bower (1974), and Werner (1973) that detection of intersensory equivalence is present from birth, and that perceptual development is characterized by gradual differentiation. (These theories are reviewed in Lewkowicz, 1992). In contrast to the consensus surrounding the CMT hypothesis, the NS hypothesis is very new and controversial. It builds on the CMT evidence, but suggests that this results in a sensory confusion for the infant. It suggests there is a plausible anatomical basis for neonatal synaesthesia, if one looks at the transient connections between neural structures in neonates of other species. Thus, the neonatal hamster has transient connections between the retina and the main somatosensory and auditory nuclei of the thalamus, and the kitten has similar transient connections between visual, auditory, somatosensory, and motor cortex (e.g., Dehay, Bullier, and Kennedy, 1984; and reviewed by Maurer, 1993). Maurer suggests the same could be true of human neonates. Some evidence suggests this may be true:
"During early infancy - and only during early infancy - ... evoked responses to spoken language (are recorded) not just over the temporal cortex, where one would expect to find them, but over the occipital cortex as well. There are similar reports of wide-spread cortical responses to visual stimuli during the first 2 months of life (e.g., Hoffman, 1978). Results such as these suggest that primary sensory cortex is not so specialized in the young infant as in the adult" (ibid, p. 111).
These data are provocative and certainly consistent with the NS hypothesis. However, currently we must conclude with a verdict of "not-proven" until more evidence has been collected. But what would count as relevant evidence with which to prove the hypothesis? Here, I suggest one critical test, in the hope that when this is done, this will help move the field forward.
3. A Thought Experiment
If newborn babies, when assessed using functional neuroimaging techniques, show blood flow changes across both visual and auditory cortex when presented with pure auditory tones, and if after a critical point in development (say, 4 months old) a different (adult-like) pattern is seen, such that pure auditory tones activate auditory cortex alone, this would be strong evidence for neonatal synaesthesia. Furthermore, if premature infants showed the same shift in terms of the pattern of blood flow during scanning, relative to their age from conception (rather than their age from birth), this would be strong convergent evidence for a critical phase in development when synaesthesia is normal.

The notion would be that following an early initial phase of normal synaesthesia, the different sensory modalities become increasing modular (Fodor, 1983), presumably because modularity leads to more rapid and efficient information processing, and is therefore highly adaptive.

Adult synaesthesia, as we suggested earlier (Baron-Cohen et al, 1993) might therefore represent a breakdown in the process of modularization, such that during infancy the modularization process was not completed. Current functional neuroimaging methods (PET, SPECT) mostly entail radiation, which makes them ethically unsuitable for such infancy research, but the new development of functional MRI makes this thought experiment a real possibility in the medium-term future.
4. Coloured Hearing, Literacy, and Neonatal Synaesthesia
One possibility is that coloured hearing - and particularly coloured speech perception - is simply the consequence of coloured visual imagery of the orthography of words. As it turns out, many synaesthetes with coloured speech perception do indeed report that words with the same initial sound but different initial letter (like fish and photo) trigger different colours, whilst words with a different initial sound but the same initial letter (like psychology and photo) trigger the same colour (Baron-Cohen et al, 1993). This looks strongly like letters rather than sounds are determining the colours triggered. In our earlier terminology we called this chromatic-graphemic (CG) synaesthesia.

However, when one asks such subjects "Are the colours of words always determined by an initial or dominant letter?", the answer for some of these subjects is "No". That is, they readily report that in other cases the colour is triggered by phonemic features of the word (so that sex and psychology have the same colour); and in other instances, there is no connection between the word and its colour at all (e.g., Jane and July, despite sharing both the initial sound and letter, trigger different colours). This is true, for example of our subject Rose Young (henceforth RY), who was one of the subjects tested in the Baron-Cohen et al (1993) and Paulesu et al (1995) studies. Her case was featured in the BBC2 Horizon documentary "Orange sherbet kisses" (12th December 1994). It is also true of Elizabeth Pulford (henceforth EP), who was described in the Baron-Cohen et al (1987) study. Her case was featured in the BBC Tomorrow's World documentary (June, 1994). This tells us that some individuals with synaesthesia can be simultaneously chromatic-graphemic (CG) and chromatic-phonemic (CP) and chromatic-lexical (CL) synaesthetes. This should not come as any surprise, since word-processing occurs at several levels, and presumably colours can be triggered by any of these levels. However, it does mean that synaesthesia is not likely to be simply a product of literacy, and therefore an acquired phenomenon at the age of 4 or 5 years old; rather it is likely to be a product of connections between speech perception and colour vision, and therefore in principle present at birth (Eimas, et al, 1977).
5. Dysmodularity and Maladaptiveness
As mentioned earlier, one way of viewing synaesthesia is in terms of a breakdown in modularity (Baron-Cohen et al, 1993). If this view is correct, it forces us to ask why in the normal case the senses would be modular. If synaesthesia is genetic, and if normal modularization of the senses is under similar genetic control, then we have to approach this question by thinking about natural selection and adaptation. In an evolutionary framework, one must assume that modularity of the senses makes for adaptive neural and psychological functioning. This does not seem to be an unreasonable assumption: recall Fodor's (1983) argument is in terms of modularity producing rapid, automatic, efficient processing, in an informationally encapsulated way. But this should also mean that there was some cost to the reproductive fitness of individuals whose senses were 'dysmodular': one sense leaking into another. Curiously enough, most individuals with coloured hearing synaesthesia do not complain of their condition. For them, it is their normal perception of the world, and they are not aware of it causing an disadvantages or interference. This is true both of RY and EP, who have coloured hearing (sounds triggering colours, but not vice-versa). This leads to the paradoxical conclusion that dysmodularity is not maladaptive. This is paradoxical because it is by no means obvious why modularity should have evolved if dysmodularity is just as good.

We have however recently solved this riddle, by studying a different type of synaesthesia: Julie Roxburgh (herewith subject JR) not only sees colours when she hears sounds, but suffers from the reverse: she hears sounds whenever she sees colours. Here, the word "suffers" is used advisedly, as this form of synaesthesia leads to massive interference, stress, dizziness, a feeling of information overload, and a need to avoid those situations that are either too noisy or too colourful. We have studied JR in detail, and can confirm the genuineness of her synaesthesia in terms of its consistency over time. JR's case was also featured in the BBC2 Horizon documentary mentioned earlier. Here then, we have a clear case of synaesthesia leading to social withdrawal, and interference with ordinary life.

From this single case, we can advance the following tentative conclusion. Some forms of synaesthesia (but not all) are clearly maladaptive, and this is in line with the evolutionary arguments outlined earlier, in which natural selection favoured individuals whose senses were modular. Evolutionary arguments are frequently criticized for being "Just So" stories, but in this instance the evolutionary approach led to a prediction (that there should be cases of synaesthesia which are maladaptive). JR is just one case that supports this prediction. It remains for future studies to test this prediction in relation to other types of synaesthesia.
Acknowledgements
I am grateful to Daphne Maurer for comments on the first draft of this article, and to John Harrison, Maria Wyke, Nick Humphrey and Helen Weyland for helpful discussions over the years.
Notes
<1> Due to an editorial error an earlier draft of this article was uploaded to the PSYCHE www site in March 1996. As soon as this error was detected it was removed and replaced with the current version. All citations should refer to the article in its current form and not to its earlier incarnation.
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Copyright (c) Richard E. Cytowic 1995
PSYCHE, 2(10), July 1995
http://psyche.cs.monash.edu.au/v2/psyche-2-10-cytowic.html
KEYWORDS: consciousness, emotion, perception, subjectivity, synesthesia, neurology.

ABSTRACT: Synesthesia (Greek, syn = together + aisthesis = perception) is the involuntary physical experience of a cross-modal association. That is, the stimulation of one sensory modality reliably causes a perception in one or more different senses. Its phenomenology clearly distinguishes it from metaphor, literary tropes, sound symbolism, and deliberate artistic contrivances that sometimes employ the term "synesthesia" to describe their multisensory joinings. An unexpected demographic and cognitive constellation co-occurs with synesthesia: females and non-right-handers predominate, the trait is familial, and memory is superior while math and spatial navigation suffer. Synesthesia appears to be a left-hemisphere function that is not cortical in the conventional sense. The hippocampus is critical for its experience. Five clinical features comprise its diagnosis. Synesthesia is "abnormal" only in being statistically rare. It is, in fact, a normal brain process that is prematurely displayed to consciousness in a minority of individuals.
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On Creativity And The High IQ Connection

We where reading a LIFE book called the individual and it said that there is not a connection between creativity and high IQ. It said that most people that have high IQ's are not creative. And people will lower IQ's are usually more creative but they don't know why this is. It says earlier on in the book that people that score average and high on an IQ test are good at coping with school learning e.g. doing what they are told and compiling with the work they are given.

We know that artistic people just express themselves more and don't follow everyone else like sheep. You can see this individualism just by taking a trip to an art college or visiting an art class the chances are that they will have a different style of fashion to normal people. Everybody else just wants to be accepted by different social groups and society. Were as artistic creative people don't care as much to be accepted they just want to be themselves (unique) and create unique work. Therefore they will not care as much for the work that they are given in the school environment were everybody has to do the same work so their IQ test results will suffer. Were as if they took a proper interest in learning and being the same as everyone else there test results would be higher.

In another book that I read it goes to explain that the great minds that have changed are world or made history e.g. Newton and de Vinci would have had high IQ's I have been guided believe that this is false because these great minds would have to be thinking differently then everybody else to come up with their ideas and creative art. Therefore if they did take a modern IQ test they would be shown to have a low IQ because they would not take an interest in learning what other people tell them because they are to busy trying to find things out for themselves or creating wonderful works of art.

The following is quoted from Carl Sagan's COSMOS, of which the Lower ego's farther acquired via his inner light guiding him, the same can be said for My contact with UFO's written by Dino Kraspedon with amazing revelations from a space traveller, known only as the captain of the flying saucer.      
However enough of this! We will now quote the following from the Cosmos,

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We will now quote the following from the Cosmos,

Chapter III
The Harmony Of Worlds

Do you know the ordinances of the heavens?
Can you establish their rule on earth?
-The Book of Job
All welfare and adversity that come to man and other creatures come through the Seven and the Twelve. Twelve signs of the Zodiac, as the religion says, are the twelve commanders on the side of light; and the Seven planets oppress all creation and deliver it over to death and all manner of evil: for the twelve signs of the Zodiac and the seven planets rule the fate of the world.

-   The late Zoroastrian book, the Menok I xrat

To tell us that every species of thing is endowed with an occult specific quality by which its acts and produces manifest effects, is to tell us nothing; but to derive two or three general principles of motion from the phenomena, and afterwards to tell us how the properties and actions of all corporeal things follow from those manifest principles, would be a very great step.

-   Isaac Newton, Optics

We do not ask for what useful purpose the birds do sing, for the song is their pleasure since they were created for singing. Similarly, we ought not to ask why the human mind troubles to fathom the secrets of the heavens... The diversity of the phenomena of nature is so great and the treasures hidden in heaven so rich, precisely in order that the human mind shall never be lacking in fresh nourishment.

-   Johannes Kepler, Mysterium Cosmographicum

IF WE LIVED ON A PLANET WHERE NOTHING EVER CHANGED, there would be little to do. There would be nothing to figure out. There would be Impetus for science. And if we lived in an unpredictable world, where things change in random or very complex ways, we would not be able to figure things out. Again there would be no such thing as science. But we live in an in-between universe where things change according to patterns, rules, or as we call them, Laws of nature. If I throw a stick up in the air, it always falls down. If the sun sets in the West, it will always rise again the next morning in the East. And so it becomes possible to figure things out. We can do science, and with it we can improve our lives.      
 Human beings are good at understanding the world. We have always been. We were able to hunt game or build fires only because we had figured something out. There was a time before television, before motion pictures, before radio before books. The greatest part of human existence was spent in such a time. Over the dying embers of the campfire, on a moonless night, we watched the stars.
 The night sky is very interesting. There are patterns there. Without even trying, you can imagine pictures.

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This is as to signify and to note to the readers, therefore being ourselves, that all one need do is take some of ones time to fix his or hers gaze upon the desired body i.e. stars or moons. Once the gaze is held constantly the stars move, It must be noted that if one looks at the moon they can witness it's beautiful aura, so the moon is and has always been our second sun!  


The Dumeei Scenario  

The Lower ego is that part of the individual mind which is absorbed with form so much so that it denies itself this is said in every sense of the word, as light comes into contact with the vitreous humour the light hits the retina this records the image upside down and in 2D. At this stage the Individual Mind perceives the light as the same light of itself and thus we have vision regardless of the Lower egos denial and firm hold, this process is due to Man being made in gods image, that is to say the Divine Universal Minds Internal Impressed Image, or DUMIII. It is probable that many people have been blind due to this process forced upon oneself, and thus have been cured by themselves, again we speak in every sense of the word. An example of this kind of brought on scenario is the fight or flight situation, where it is know a man will become so afraid that he will unknowingly deny himself and his senses, as in sight and such alike, in this scenario the Lower ego has become hopeless and has literally denied itself. Nobody wants to be a dumiii, therefore time travellers let the light from within awake!            
   
To think more about this we must question ourselves. Are we our body or are we our character? Our character being thought that is contained from within. Now many people round these forms have a form of awareness like this, but what of the ignorant man who only believes what he can see and touch do we think the ignorant man, or the dumeei, looks at himself and sees his minds light as his character? Or do we think he looks at his body, compares and wonders how other people compare themselves to him, his accomplishments, intelligence, presentation, and reputation? Equal to himself or lower then himself? Or do we think that he looks upon his body and compares his body size and shape to others, and then due to his unawareness his own unregistered insecurities notes himself as either above us or below us due to this, the unaware mans actions are chosen for him and the man continues a life of uncontrolled actions until he looks within himself. The unaware man believes he can learn nothing from himself therefore he places his hope not in himself but on external forces.

The Lower Ego is mans tool to decode his own light, he has been using his ego as a tool for self-praise and thus has forgotten its original purpose, that is to decode 'the image' it is known that the colour the eye perceives is in fact every other colour in the spectrum bar the colour perceived, this clearly shows that mans ego is but a tool to read/decode his own thoughts.    

On the Speed of light

The following is quoted from the Tutankhamun prophecies; let the reader be aware of its purpose.  

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Chapter 4 The Sacred Secret

The UFO Connection

Captain Bruce Cathie flew for New Zealand Airways for more then 25 years. His story begins in 1952 with the sighting of a strange craft in the skies above Mangere, Auckland. It was like anything he had seen before. Subsequent investigations failed to explain away the anomaly; there where no known weather balloons or civilian or military aircraft in the area at the time. Others who shared this experience verified his account, confirming that it was not a trick of the eye or an aberration of light. The Object whatever it was remained unidentified.

Four years later, flying at 2,135 meters (7,000 feet) on a clear, calm evening; Cathie experienced his second UFO sighting. The Flight the Auckland to Parapraumu DC3 was unexceptional, until a bright green disk appeared in the east about at a height of 3,050 metres (10,00 feet). Together, pilot and co pilot watched the 610-meter (2,000-foot) craft cruise across the sky, leaving to crescent- shaped vapour trails in its wake. Halfway across Cook Strait, a small object shot down from the craft and disappeared. The trajectory of the object persuaded Cathie that the module must be under intelligent guidance. Then in a flash of light, the disk disappeared.

The following day, news reports carried the story of a large explosion that accord at high altitude just north of nelson. The resultant shock wave shook buildings, causing widespread damage to windows and greenhouses. Intrigued by these and other sightings, Cathie began years of systematic observation, data accumulation and analysis of UFO sightings around New Zealand. Soon, patterns emerged in reports of sightings, which seemed to cluster along geomagnetic aerial pathways. The Behaviour of craft also conformed to a pattern; rapid approach, instantaneous acceleration, geometric movement and then disappearance, as suddenly and inexplicably as they had appeared.

The analysis raised questions. Why did some sightings appear along specific pathways? What forces enabled these craft to defy the laws of physics, as we understand them, in accelerating from standstill to the speed of light instantaneously? Could the craft be in someway sensing, and in some way harnessing, the magnetic and gravitational fields of the earth, facilitating this type of movement? And, most important, did the earth's magnetic and gravitational fields contain pathways, like ley lines, which might be used as favoured gateways for alien craft visiting out planet?

Cathie's enquiries spread further afield, embracing sightings of others worldwide. For the first time the co-ordinated collectivisation of data confirmed UFO sightings clustered along a geometric grid pattern that enveloped the earth. In order to establish the exact location of the fixed grid, projected on the earth's surface from the sky above, it was necessary to first quantify the location of the grid geographically. One way of doing this was to use a series of simultaneous mathematical equations, where simultaneity between equations occurs only at pathway crossovers (nodes)

Cathie's unique equations included the speed of light as predicted by Albert Einstein in his theory of relativity (300 million meters per second) and Isaac Newton's algorithm for the force of gravity.

Cathie's hunch was that variation in the earth's gravitational and magnetic field may be the underlying cause of the aerial grid above. The clusters of UFO's which show such interests in the grid could indeed using the lines of which the grid comprises to navigate or perhaps in some way to harness the different power, inherent within gradient fields, as a source of motive power in their craft. His enquiries now shifted away from UFO's, which he was quite certain existed, towards a search for theoretical earth grid that might reveal pathways of gravitational and magnetic variance.

His calculations became increasingly complex as he pursued the possibilities. It soon became clear that Einstein's figure for the speed of light, calibrated in units of meters, was fine for straight lines between two points but woefully inadequate when it came to measuring circular functions of the earths grid. To make the calculations easier he converted Einstein's figure into a circular function calculating the distance covered by light in angular degrees per second (around the earths surface) rather then in metres per second.

Cathie also realised that, because light was electromagnetic, waves crossing the grid lines would be affected by variations in the magnetic and gravitational fields. Low flying aircraft, and mariners are aware of a similar problem with icebergs, which do not always show up on radar; radar beams in certain conditions, may be deflected upwards when encountering cold air close to an iceberg, and again be deflected downwards on encountering warm air after passing over the iceberg. The beam does not make contact with the iceberg, and the iceberg is therefore not reflected back to the radar transceiver to show on the screen.
With this in mind, it became clear that the speed of light, on earth could not be a constant value, as Einstein had hypothesized, because gridlines would cause a small variation to light waves as they passed over grid pathways, like the radar wave and the Iceberg.
  His new calculations showed that the speed of light amounts to 144,000 minutes of arc per second (there are 60 minuets of arc in one degree) and that the speed would vary around this figure as light crossed grid pathways. (See the following books: Harmonic 33, Harmonic 695, the pulse of the universe, Harmonic 288, the bridge to infinity: Harmonic 371244 and the Harmonic conquest of space by Bruce L. Cathie) Before we consider the obvious implications of this figure, in regard to their own investigations, others saw implications for themselves. Einstein had determined that mass (m) maybe converted to energy (e): for example, coal may be burned, releasing heat and a residue of ash. Additionally, he showed that a great deal of energy remains within the ash and that this energy could not be released further unless the atoms that make up the residue were smashed apart he discovered that e= mc2 which means simply that the energy (e) contains within a quantity of mass (m) could be calculated by taking the atomic weight (300,000,000 meters per second). The greatest release of energy (explosion) would therefore be achieved by crashing heavy weight radioactive atoms, found in elements like plutonium or uranium, against each other until they smash themselves apart. When this happened, a chain reaction occurs between atoms, causing an enormous explosion. This is how the Atom bomb works.
  The knowledge of how to make an atom bomb is freely available in public libraries throughout the world, and yet it seems curious that no terrorist group has yet been able to explode a device. Cathie's work may explain the reason for this; he maintains that because the speed of light 'c' on earth changes, the value of e, in the equation e=mc2, must also change. This means that in order for a bomb to explode, it must be programmed with the exact geographical co-ordinates of its intended target. The device then has to be modified to make allowances for variations in the speed of light (the earth grid effect) and then the bomb must be delivered to the exact point of delivery before and explosion can possibly occur. This is not mentioned in any textbook or library. Cathie's calculations show that an atom bomb cannot explode until it is programmed in this way.
  Generally, the efficacy of an independent scientist research can be measured by the amount of interest shown by security forces and esoteric groups, on the one hand, and the disproportionate lack of interest shown by orthodox scientific community to the work, on the other. Cathie's home has been ransacked and bugged. His telephone has been routinely tapped. He and his family have been followed, their activities monitored and their mail interfered with, his work has been ignored by the scientific community, which seems to suggest that Cathie has indeed made a scientific discovery, which displeases those with closed minds and those with something to hide. But facts do not cease to exist simply because they are ignored.
  The implications of Cathie's discoveries on our own investigations are more far reaching. We have seen how the number 144,000 is common to many of the world religions, in particular as revealed by revelation, Lord Pacal and Tutankhamun. Cathie's figure for the speed of light suggests that prophesies of the Maya, Egyptians and the bible, in regard 144,000, refer not to those who have 144,000 written on their forehead. But instead to those who Radiate Light (144,000) from the forehead.
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on November 23, 2004, 12:48:44
What you are talking about is a right hand path. I've decided to don't follow it, and this is why I could not be considered Awake. Ego is not only a tool for me, it's an important part of me, and this is why my prupose of life is to have fun, but not only in materialistic way, but also creative, emotional and spiritual.
The wink was there for a reason, I think that your awake=believer approach is very sectarian. I've seen people who are emotionally awake more than many spiritual people, and don't know what to believe. What's enlightmen for, when only thing you need to enjoy life is some money, honor, and of course ability to control your own emotions and thoughts by meditation?
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: aleshah on November 23, 2004, 18:53:57
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"Its called a changeover, the moive goes on and nobody has any idea"
wise,wise, movie. I am a voided shine and just create an ugly co-artwork-lol
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: BirdManKalki on November 24, 2004, 09:11:23
"What you are talking about is a right hand path. I've decided to don't follow it, and this is why I could not be considered Awake. Ego is not only a tool for me, it's an important part of me, and this is why my prupose of life is to have fun, but not only in materialistic way, but also creative, emotional and spiritual.
The wink was there for a reason, I think that your awake=believer approach is very sectarian. I've seen people who are emotionally awake more than many spiritual people, and don't know what to believe. What's enlightmen for, when only thing you need to enjoy life is some money, honor, and of course ability to control your own emotions and thoughts by meditation?"

That's good for you do what thou wills.

My friend you called it the right hand path, not I. I'm taking the middle path for I know not where the right leads or where the left leads I really know nothing!

What is meditation to you? You speak words, where did they come from? What made you say what you just said?

All the information is out there!

I mistyped the site address, below is everything that is needed. Although a lot of reading is needed.  

http://energy21.freeservers.com/fs1.htm

Never judge a book by its cover, in fact never judge at all!

Why did they come? Why were they perceived as they were perceived? Did they project their own image?

Praise the Lord! And his most divine plan!
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on November 24, 2004, 09:40:11
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Praise the Lord! And his most divine plan!
If by saying "Lord" you've mean universal consciousness, then praising it is totally unnecessary, and it hasn't any plans regarding it's parts(us). If you mean YHWH then it's cruel Lord, and you praise his plan of feeding on humanity.
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: daem0n on November 24, 2004, 17:23:16
replacing illusions with illusions
smart  :wink:
it took one man to water down this topic, not mentioning people perfectly agreeing with each other
many talk the talk, few walk the walk

as for problems:

ignorance

fear that comes out of ignorance (of our eternality as souls)

belief systems that kicks in where there is enough ignorance (of reality) to let them manifest

now what can you do:

laugh, this is the most destabilising method i know to this point
see how contagius it is

create from inward to outward not the other way, see that reality bends to your needs if willed enough (willed, not desired, desire is flavor, will is form)

work on yourself, don't waste your time with others who DON'T WANT OR ARE SIMPLY UNABLE to awaken

in time you will attract others, or already do it, inform them IF they want it

also, if someone gives up, leave him there, it is his SINCERE choice

enlightment is how things are, it is just removing another layer of ignorance

MChristianity, i love this term, thx
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: Adam on November 25, 2004, 00:29:23
Good post daem0n.
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: Selski on December 09, 2004, 16:16:31
Quote from: daem0nmany talk the talk, few walk the walk

daem0n - I've no idea what this thread is about, but I couldn't have put it better (whatever it was).

Sarah  :wink:
Title: Assembly of the Eleventh Hour
Post by: wantsumrice on December 10, 2004, 11:27:49
lol Sarah, agreed also.

What I don't understand is why do people always want to gather up a group or posse to take action?  Just do it on your own, that's how I've always done things.