Hi Phil,
This topic would probably fit better in General Metaphysics rather than OBE discussions so I moved it. If you have a different forum you'd like to see it in, PM me and we'll work something out.
Very best,
those researchers didn't took the time to study a minimum of astrology before loosing theyr time...otherwise they knew that they needed people born in the same time and in the SAME PLACE...that's all i have to say. This study is not proving anything. Why didn't they worked with an astrolog ? Maybe they could have done a better work ...
I do not know much about astrology (working on that though ^.^), but from what I've read about it (a lot of books) it's waaaay harder than just try to find out the personality of a person by it's birthday and time of birth. All those planetarian (sp?) movements, houses, etc etc, I highly doubt those scientist have a clue what it is about.
I love science, let's get that clear before I move on, but I think scientist these days only want to get everything that cannot be proven and is against the laws of nature have to be moved out of the way. Perhaps because they think such things discredit their job. Or perhaps because they feel ridiculous that they can't manage to explain what all those 'odd things', like astrology and, for example, telepathy, are; after all, they are scientist, dammit!
I'm, of course, not saying that this goes for all scientists. But a lot of scientists are very skeptic, some even close-minded. I wished people would open their eyes and take a look at a subject in a objective way.
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Originally posted by Nick
Hi Phil,
This topic would probably fit better in General Metaphysics rather than OBE discussions so I moved it. If you have a different forum you'd like to see it in, PM me and we'll work something out.
Very best,
No problem Nick. I'm new to AstralPulse and am not familar with all the forums yet. Thanks for moving it for me!
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Scientists have once and for all debunked
Anything that starts out with this looses about 90% creditibility with me. This is a pretty good sign that the experiment was not objective but only out to prove someone's opinion. Is it not funny how all the articles that state this never seem to actually put the issues to rest?
Astrology is more complex than that. Plus environment effects a person, not just the stars. Astrology is only one part of the influence on a person.
Never been a fan of astrology. Too vague. There is something to be said about cycles, though. Maybe the "validity" of it lies there and not in actual astral influence. Perhaps natural cycles in life coincide with some astronomic cycles and a coincidence turns into causal effect, in the minds of astologers. And since there are so many complex cycles out there, at least one can made to fit life's diferent natural cycles.
Then again, I must accept that I am biased in that I do not believe that destiny is a fixed set of events. I believe that destiny is a path put in front of us that if we are wise and follow it, it will make our lives easier and more fulfilling. Astrolgy by its nature is too rigid for my view of life. I find the pendulum, Tarot and the I Ching to be more reliable (but not perfect)oracles than astrology. And I have looked into it. It just does not fit my view. But if you have find a way to make it help you, go for it.
Thought you all might be interested in this article from the London Telegraph....
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20030817-105449-9384r.htm
Comprehensive study of 'time twins' debunks astrology
By Robert Matthews
LONDON DAILY TELEGRAPH
LONDON — Scientists have once and for all debunked astrology's central claim — that our human characteristics are molded by the influence of the sun, moon and planets at the time of our birth — in the most thorough scientific study ever conducted on the subject.
For several decades, researchers tracked more than 2,000 people — most of them born within minutes of each other. According to astrology, the subjects should have had very similar traits.
The babies were originally recruited as part of a medical study begun in London in 1958 into how the circumstances of birth can affect future health. More than 2,000 babies born in early March that year were registered, and their development was monitored at regular intervals.
Researchers looked at more than 100 different characteristics, including occupation, anxiety levels, marital status, aggressiveness, sociability, IQ levels and ability in art, sports, mathematics and reading — all of which astrologers claim can be gauged from birth charts.
The scientists failed to find any evidence of similarities between the "time twins," however. They reported in the current issue of the Journal of Consciousness Studies: "The test conditions could hardly have been more conducive to success ... but the results are uniformly negative."
Analysis of the research was carried out by Geoffrey Dean, a scientist and former astrologer based in Perth, Australia, and Ivan Kelly, a psychologist at the University of Saskatchewan, Canada.
Mr. Dean said the results undermined the claims of astrologers, who typically work with birth data far less precise than that used in the study. "They sometimes argue that times of birth just a minute apart can make all the difference by altering what they call the 'house cusps,' " he said. "But in their work, they are happy to take whatever time they can get from a client."
The findings caused alarm and anger in astrological circles yesterday. Roy Gillett, the president of the Astrological Association of Great Britain, said the study's findings should be treated "with extreme caution" and accused Mr. Dean of seeking to "discredit astrology."
Frank McGillion, a consultant to the Southampton-based Research Group for the Critical Study of Astrology, said of the newly published work: "It is simplistic and highly selective and does not cover all of the research." He added that he would lodge a complaint with the editors of the journal.
Astrologers have for centuries claimed to be able to extract deep insights into the personality and destiny of people using nothing more than the details of the time and place of birth.
Astrology has been growing in popularity. Surveys suggest that a majority of people in Britain believe in it, compared with only 13 percent 50 years ago. The Association of Professional Astrologers claims that 80 percent of Britons read star columns, and psychological studies have found that 60 percent regularly read their horoscopes.
Despite the skepticism of scientists, astrology has grown to be a huge worldwide business, spawning thousands of telephone lines, Internet sites and horoscope columns in newspapers and magazines.
It seems that no sector of society is immune to its attraction. A recent survey found that a third of science students subscribed to some aspects of astrology, while some supposedly hard-headed businessmen now support a thriving market in "financial astrology" — paying for predictions of trends such as the rise and fall of the stock market.